Not perticually for me but both of my daughters video chat their friends when gaming with them, so Nintendo integrating it at the system level makes sense.
I wouldn't be suprised if Xbox is just waiting for the Switch 2 install base to build up a little. The whole point of this initiative is to earn them more money and at launch Switch 2 users aren't going to be enough to cover porting. Once the Switch 2 gets established I expect we'll see lots of X1 ports.
It's going to depend very much on the game, based on the current listings Game-Keys will be the same price as their digital versions.
Whilst I prefer them to Code in a Box, I will be trying to avoid them generally. However, there are three types of games I can see myself getting Game-Keys for.
1. Games that are constantly updated, like Street Fighter 6, a "proper card" is going to be out of date anyway. 2. Games I know my kids are going to want to steal when they have their own Switch 2 (probably Lites), the new virtual card system is good, but this does the same without requiring me or my device to do it. 3. Games I'm not confident I'm going to enjoy, being able to resell it if I don't like it is a nice advantage vs digital (I can always sell it when the digital version is cheap).
And of course, the universal 0 rule, if I see a bargain!
My day 1 Switch might in better condition when it launched. I had to send it off for a case repair and the basically replaced everything but the battery.
I think third parties are going to be the big test for Switch 2 updates. Like I can't imagine this is going to be doing much more than just running better, and I could see some hefty push back at the idea that this is a paid upgrade vs something like Pokemon doing the same thing for "free" Like I don't like the idea that CIV7 is basically charging for mouse support (beyond the usual improvements) but it is something
*I understand the packaged Switch 2 edition comes with the DLC so that makes some sense.
I have been finding the parallel's between the Switch 1 and 2 launches "fun".
The consoles too expensive, the physical copies are too expensive, multiformat games are more expensive on it, not enough storage, it's not powerful enough so third parties will avoid it, no killer app (the argument was BOTW was also on Wii U).
As with the original Switch I won't be picking up an Express card until I actually need to. Letting those prices get lower
I plan on using my Switch 1 in basically the same way I use my external HDD on my Series X, for games that aren't getting anything out of running on Switch 2.
@Truegamer79 I have seen some comments along those lines, a "I get them setting a higher price for next gen but for Mario Kart are they insane?" sort of thing
@Ade117 I could have sworn it was already confirmed that if you play the Grand Prix in the classic style, it's 3 laps unless it's a sprint track. I'm sure I read somewhere that it's only the "race to the next race" Grand Prix that has 1 lap.
@Rhaoulos He's looked consistently worse since this "third party that just so happens to also make hardware" push started. There's a lot of chatter that's basically not in charge anymore. He spent 69 billion of MS's money on Activision, they want that back ASAP.
As a multi-platform gamer I already tend to buy Switch versions* of games I like on Xbox Game Pass to support the dev (beyond whatever payment they get from the arcane metrics that MS uses)
I don't mind expanding that to first-party Xbox studios.
*assuming they Switch version A)exists and B) works.
@SillyG Surely though being emulation would make "Switch 1 titles stay "docked" when in handheld mode on Switch 2" easier, I'm told the Switch emulators have a toggle to run the game in handheld mode, so it's certainly "doable" that the Switch 2's Switch 1 emulation could do the same.
@Mabelissimo Same here, I feel like "open-world Mario Kart" is probably all I actually need to know to decide if I'm going to buy it or not. Everything else should be a nice surprise.
... but every website is going to report every little detail anyway, and social media is going to be filled with it and weird misinformation so I might as well watch the Direct
I think the most important detail about Cyberpunk on Switch 2 and last-gen consoles. They stopped getting updates because they couldn't handle it, and by extension,n didn't get the Expansion pack. Switch 2 did
Let me throw up this from a old Medium article on "the Switch Tax"
The most recent glaring example of this is Yooka-Laylee and the Impossible Lair.
The game is $29.99 on all digital platforms, and the physical disc versions on Xbox and PS4 are also $29.99.
But the Switch Game Card is $39.99.
Gee that's familiar.
I won't be surprised that the "small" games on this list are just avoiding a Switch Tax 2.0, and when the manufacturing costs of the new cards come down, we won't see as many "small" games using it.
It is funny to me that there's all this talk about "resisting" these when the practice of physical games needing a download to be played has been alive and well for some time.
Everyone's talking about Game-keys and no ones talking about AC Shadows needing an online check for the physical copy to work and apparently forgot Hogwarts basically only have a demo on the disc.
Good! I really didn't like AoC and Fire Emblem Warriors Three Hopes taking the alt reality route. Don't get me wrong that can be fun (I loved the original HW and FEW games) but these stories have perfect places to tell stories suited to the Warriors gameplay and story style and just didn't need "reinventing the narrative".
@SwitchplayerJohn I think its because you already paid, you may have to contact them about getting a refund but who knows how long that'll take to sort.
@Rentaro I believe the idea was to prevent scalpers just making a Nintendo account and getting an invite, if you have your data shared with them, they can see your play time on your console.
Will Switch 1 games keep to their handheld performance modes on Switch 2's handheld mode?
Switch runs slower in handheld mode (for the sake of battery) and games make adjustments accordingly and infamously games with dynamic resolutions cant get very low in handheld mode.
That just doesn't need to happen on Switch 2 as whatever it's handheld mode limits are going to be higher than the Switch 1 docked.
I think if your only using it for video chat, the plant is 0robably okay as you're friends are likely only seeing you in the little party box, but if your wanting to use it for Mario party that might be an issue
The date was set as the 8th, then argos broke the street date and then every other retailer would randomly start offering preorders and by the time you found out about it the stock would be gone.
Amazon went from "we're doing invites" to "BTW it's going randomly drop"
I don't mind missing out because people were faster but missing out because everyone decided to sell it without saying anything is... "frustrating"
I'm with you on that third-party thing. Yeah, at the moment, only 3 games use it, but the code in the box thing got pretty popular with publishers. Sure, some were working around the storage limits, but most were just larger profit margins. Like Ubisoft released real physical versions of their AC rereleases, but also code in a code-in-a-box version.
I find some of the arguments against these wild. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of legitment arguments lie the preservation one, they are just as bad as digital-only games, code-in-a-box, and "download required" like Skyrim Switch, as you're are dependent on eStore access, and the storage argument.
But some of them don't make sense to me.
"You still need the card to play the game installed, you need to take the card with you" Yeah, and 'if not carrying a gamecard around' is important to you, you'd be buying the digital version over the physical version anyway.
"it adds a manufacturing cost which harms smaller devs who rely on digital release to survive" Digital games aren't going anywhere the zero manufacturing cost option still exists. Also, I wager these are cheap to make, if they aren't just repurposed Switch 1 (1GB ) cards, they certainly are not the expensive 32GB or 62GB cards Switch 2 cards. it just has to hold the licence. It's a tiny file and doesn't need fast read speeds. Note: big third-party publishers used "code in a box as much as smaller devs did*
It's also not some new thing that Nintendo cooked up. Hogwarts Legacy on other consoles only had the tutorial on the disk rest of the game needs to be installed. Jedi Survivor and Shadows require downloads before the physical copy works, and this is exactly how OG/360 games work via backwards compatibility on X1/Series X
This is a much better solution than code in a box because trading and resale are possible You know the thing that made everyone dogpile on Microsoft and led to Sony's epic E3 response.
@abe_hikura Well just got an email from them, they aren't doing the invites anymore and the "good news" is at some point "soon" it'll be available to buy, for the 18 seconds before it goes out of stock.
Their advice is to keep checking their site and throwing in the cart and buying it the second you can.
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Re: Nintendo Apologises For "Error" With Mention Of Switch 2 VRR TV Support
It's weird that it dose it in handheld but not docked. I suppose it might be using some unique version of VRR and so most screens have it.
Re: Rumour: Red Dead Redemption 2 May Be Heading To Switch 2 Pretty Soon
I did remember an old rumour, And by rumour I mean random dude on Reddit, that said Switch 2 would get RDR2 port when other consoles got GTA6.
Not that I believe that but it would fit tye timescale a little better.
Re: Talking Point: Are You Excited At All For Switch 2 GameChat?
I think they are onto something here.
Not perticually for me but both of my daughters video chat their friends when gaming with them, so Nintendo integrating it at the system level makes sense.
Re: Nintendo Showcases Switch 2's Fancy New Battery Charge Settings
Neat.
I didnt know the sounds had changed, wont be watching that video though, I look forward to hearing those sounds directly from the console.
Re: Opinion: Nintendo's Forgotten The Game With The Most 'Switch 2 Edition' Potential
@LavaTwilight I'm expecting that to be true for digital copies but might not for games running from S1 cards.
Re: Opinion: Nintendo's Forgotten The Game With The Most 'Switch 2 Edition' Potential
I wouldn't be surprised if there's going to be waves of Switch 2 editions, like how they used Wii U ports to patch gaps in Switch 1 schedule
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl: Mario Party 3
Did the UK get a weird mix of N64 boxes because I swear it wasn't all game that had that huge black border.
Re: Feature: "We’re Very Confident" - CD Projekt Red On Delivering The Full Cyberpunk 2077 Experience On Switch 2
I managed to snag the physical copy for the digital price over at HMV, super happy about that.
Also goodies in the physical edition!? looking forward to that
Re: SEGA Announces English Voiceover Cast For Yakuza 0: Director's Cut
@axelhander @ElkinFencer10 Mercer really impressed me with his Majima in Pirate Yakuza.
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Dev Tells Studios "Do Not Underestimate The Physical Edition"
From what I can tell, most third-party publishers don't want to eat or pass on the £10 premium for a real physical release.
Hopefully like the original "Switch Tax" once the costs of those cards come down then they'll do fewer Game-Key releases.
Re: Xbox's Latest Multiplatform Release Has Been Announced
I wouldn't be suprised if Xbox is just waiting for the Switch 2 install base to build up a little. The whole point of this initiative is to earn them more money and at launch Switch 2 users aren't going to be enough to cover porting. Once the Switch 2 gets established I expect we'll see lots of X1 ports.
Re: Talking Point: Will You Be Buying Any Game-Key Card Switch 2 Games?
It's going to depend very much on the game, based on the current listings Game-Keys will be the same price as their digital versions.
Whilst I prefer them to Code in a Box, I will be trying to avoid them generally. However, there are three types of games I can see myself getting Game-Keys for.
1. Games that are constantly updated, like Street Fighter 6, a "proper card" is going to be out of date anyway.
2. Games I know my kids are going to want to steal when they have their own Switch 2 (probably Lites), the new virtual card system is good, but this does the same without requiring me or my device to do it.
3. Games I'm not confident I'm going to enjoy, being able to resell it if I don't like it is a nice advantage vs digital (I can always sell it when the digital version is cheap).
And of course, the universal 0 rule, if I see a bargain!
Re: Xbox Is Raising The Price Of Consoles, Accessories, And Games Worldwide
@Maxz It was the neighbourly thing to do right Xbox?.
Re: Xbox Is Raising The Price Of Consoles, Accessories, And Games Worldwide
So the Switch 2 prices got contextually better.
Re: Poll: Which Switch 2 Accessories Are You Picking Up At Launch?
I'll be getting the camera, my daughters are going to love that local Mario Kart implementation.
I will be looking out for some "armour" for it, I'm sure my youngest will get her hands on it and she will drop it.
Re: Poll: Which Switch 2 Accessories Are You Picking Up At Launch?
@JakeNorthcote you get so e with the console, so this is either spares or they aren't included in the extra joycons.
Re: Poll: GameStop Offers A Tempting Switch 2 Trade-In Deal, But Is It Really Worth It?
My day 1 Switch might in better condition when it launched. I had to send it off for a case repair and the basically replaced everything but the battery.
Re: Poll: After One Month, How Often Are You Actually Using 'Nintendo Today'?
I set up the little widget and I use it more. It'll be interesting to see how it evolves post S2 release.
Re: Marvelous USA Confirms Its Switch 2 Physical Releases Will Contain The "Full Game"
I preordered grand bazar last night and spotted it won't be keycard.
Re: Nintendo Confirms Upgrade Pack Price For Two More 'Switch 2 Edition' Titles
I am way more likely to spend £16 on DLC & Performance Upgrade than spend £10 on just the performance upgrade
Re: Sonic X Shadow Generations Is Confirmed As A Launch Title For Switch 2
I think third parties are going to be the big test for Switch 2 updates. Like I can't imagine this is going to be doing much more than just running better, and I could see some hefty push back at the idea that this is a paid upgrade vs something like Pokemon doing the same thing for "free" Like I don't like the idea that CIV7 is basically charging for mouse support (beyond the usual improvements) but it is something
*I understand the packaged Switch 2 edition comes with the DLC so that makes some sense.
Re: Mailbox: Switch 2 Price Drops, Remake Replacements, Pokémon Acquisitions - Nintendo Life Letters
I have been finding the parallel's between the Switch 1 and 2 launches "fun".
The consoles too expensive, the physical copies are too expensive, multiformat games are more expensive on it, not enough storage, it's not powerful enough so third parties will avoid it, no killer app (the argument was BOTW was also on Wii U).
Re: MicroSD Express Cards Are Selling Out Thanks To Switch 2 Fever
As with the original Switch I won't be picking up an Express card until I actually need to. Letting those prices get lower
I plan on using my Switch 1 in basically the same way I use my external HDD on my Series X, for games that aren't getting anything out of running on Switch 2.
Re: Digital Foundry Dives Into Cyberpunk 2077 On Switch 2
My only "!" with this so far is the resolution in handheld mode.
But that also exactly what DLSS is for, which isn't being used anywhere yet. Kinda weird*.
*I'm a little worried the AI from the DLSS is doing the AI cropping being done with game chat.
Re: Nintendo Confirms Duration For Tomorrow's Mario Kart World Direct
@Truegamer79 I have seen some comments along those lines, a "I get them setting a higher price for next gen but for Mario Kart are they insane?" sort of thing
Re: Nintendo Confirms Duration For Tomorrow's Mario Kart World Direct
@Ade117 I could have sworn it was already confirmed that if you play the Grand Prix in the classic style, it's 3 laps unless it's a sprint track. I'm sure I read somewhere that it's only the "race to the next race" Grand Prix that has 1 lap.
Re: "Nintendo Has Been A Great Partner" - Phil Spencer Reiterates Switch 2 Support
@Rhaoulos He's looked consistently worse since this "third party that just so happens to also make hardware" push started. There's a lot of chatter that's basically not in charge anymore. He spent 69 billion of MS's money on Activision, they want that back ASAP.
Re: "Nintendo Has Been A Great Partner" - Phil Spencer Reiterates Switch 2 Support
As a multi-platform gamer I already tend to buy Switch versions* of games I like on Xbox Game Pass to support the dev (beyond whatever payment they get from the arcane metrics that MS uses)
I don't mind expanding that to first-party Xbox studios.
*assuming they Switch version A)exists and B) works.
Re: Watch: Got Questions About Switch 2? Ask Alex - Live!
@SillyG Surely though being emulation would make "Switch 1 titles stay "docked" when in handheld mode on Switch 2" easier, I'm told the Switch emulators have a toggle to run the game in handheld mode, so it's certainly "doable" that the Switch 2's Switch 1 emulation could do the same.
Re: Watch: Got Questions About Switch 2? Ask Alex - Live!
Will Switch 1 games on Switch 2 be forced to run in their native handheld modes, or will they maintain their S1 docked performance?
Re: Mario Kart World Players Are Already Uncovering Hidden Vehicles
@Mabelissimo Same here, I feel like "open-world Mario Kart" is probably all I actually need to know to decide if I'm going to buy it or not. Everything else should be a nice surprise.
... but every website is going to report every little detail anyway, and social media is going to be filled with it and weird misinformation so I might as well watch the Direct
Re: Round Up: The First Impressions Of 'Drag x Drive' For Switch 2 Are In
As many have said before, there is potential for something interesting here, but the presentation is just so boring.
Re: Opinion: The Switch 2 Is A Powerhouse For The Price
I think the most important detail about Cyberpunk on Switch 2 and last-gen consoles. They stopped getting updates because they couldn't handle it, and by extension,n didn't get the Expansion pack. Switch 2 did
Re: "We MUST Resist Buying These Game-Key Releases", Says GamesMaster Host
Let me throw up this from a old Medium article on "the Switch Tax"
The most recent glaring example of this is Yooka-Laylee and the Impossible Lair.
The game is $29.99 on all digital platforms, and the physical disc versions on Xbox and PS4 are also $29.99.
But the Switch Game Card is $39.99.
Gee that's familiar.
I won't be surprised that the "small" games on this list are just avoiding a Switch Tax 2.0, and when the manufacturing costs of the new cards come down, we won't see as many "small" games using it.
Re: "We MUST Resist Buying These Game-Key Releases", Says GamesMaster Host
It is funny to me that there's all this talk about "resisting" these when the practice of physical games needing a download to be played has been alive and well for some time.
Everyone's talking about Game-keys and no ones talking about AC Shadows needing an online check for the physical copy to work and apparently forgot Hogwarts basically only have a demo on the disc.
Re: Nintendo: Hyrule Warriors: Age Of Imprisonment Is A "Canonical Tale"
Good! I really didn't like AoC and Fire Emblem Warriors Three Hopes taking the alt reality route. Don't get me wrong that can be fun (I loved the original HW and FEW games) but these stories have perfect places to tell stories suited to the Warriors gameplay and story style and just didn't need "reinventing the narrative".
Re: Poll: Did You Get A Switch 2 Purchase Invite From Nintendo Yet? (Europe)
@SwitchplayerJohn I think its because you already paid, you may have to contact them about getting a refund but who knows how long that'll take to sort.
Re: Poll: Did You Get A Switch 2 Purchase Invite From Nintendo Yet? (Europe)
@Rentaro I believe the idea was to prevent scalpers just making a Nintendo account and getting an invite, if you have your data shared with them, they can see your play time on your console.
Re: Poll: Did You Get A Switch 2 Purchase Invite From Nintendo Yet? (Europe)
Update: Just got the invite.
Shame I already paid for it at Argos.
Re: Poll: Did You Get A Switch 2 Purchase Invite From Nintendo Yet? (Europe)
Nope, I was relying on it, but then Argos randomly got more stock, so I jumped on that.
Re: ICYMI: Switch 2 'GameCube Controller Adapter' Compatibility Confirmed
This is something I have always intended on buying and never get round to it.
With GC games coming to NSO I might have to rectify that.
Re: Community: What Questions About Switch 2 Do You Still Have For Nintendo?
Will Switch 1 games keep to their handheld performance modes on Switch 2's handheld mode?
Switch runs slower in handheld mode (for the sake of battery) and games make adjustments accordingly and infamously games with dynamic resolutions cant get very low in handheld mode.
That just doesn't need to happen on Switch 2 as whatever it's handheld mode limits are going to be higher than the Switch 1 docked.
Re: Hori's Switch 2 Piranha Plant Camera Has Much Worse Resolution Than Nintendo's
I think if your only using it for video chat, the plant is 0robably okay as you're friends are likely only seeing you in the little party box, but if your wanting to use it for Mario party that might be an issue
Re: Where To Pre-Order Nintendo Switch 2
Smyths has local stock but how local that is to folk is another matter. The closest to me is 260 miles away.
Re: Where To Pre-Order Nintendo Switch 2
The pre-ordering has been... chaotic.
The date was set as the 8th, then argos broke the street date and then every other retailer would randomly start offering preorders and by the time you found out about it the stock would be gone.
Amazon went from "we're doing invites" to "BTW it's going randomly drop"
I don't mind missing out because people were faster but missing out because everyone decided to sell it without saying anything is... "frustrating"
Re: Switch 2 Game-Key Cards Aren't Tied To Nintendo Accounts
@GravyThief not only traded but resold.
I'm with you on that third-party thing. Yeah, at the moment, only 3 games use it, but the code in the box thing got pretty popular with publishers. Sure, some were working around the storage limits, but most were just larger profit margins. Like Ubisoft released real physical versions of their AC rereleases, but also code in a code-in-a-box version.
Re: Switch 2 Game-Key Cards Aren't Tied To Nintendo Accounts
I find some of the arguments against these wild. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of legitment arguments lie the preservation one, they are just as bad as digital-only games, code-in-a-box, and "download required" like Skyrim Switch, as you're are dependent on eStore access, and the storage argument.
But some of them don't make sense to me.
"You still need the card to play the game installed, you need to take the card with you" Yeah, and 'if not carrying a gamecard around' is important to you, you'd be buying the digital version over the physical version anyway.
"it adds a manufacturing cost which harms smaller devs who rely on digital release to survive" Digital games aren't going anywhere the zero manufacturing cost option still exists. Also, I wager these are cheap to make, if they aren't just repurposed Switch 1 (1GB ) cards, they certainly are not the expensive 32GB or 62GB cards Switch 2 cards. it just has to hold the licence. It's a tiny file and doesn't need fast read speeds. Note: big third-party publishers used "code in a box as much as smaller devs did*
It's also not some new thing that Nintendo cooked up. Hogwarts Legacy on other consoles only had the tutorial on the disk rest of the game needs to be installed. Jedi Survivor and Shadows require downloads before the physical copy works, and this is exactly how OG/360 games work via backwards compatibility on X1/Series X
This is a much better solution than code in a box because trading and resale are possible You know the thing that made everyone dogpile on Microsoft and led to Sony's epic E3 response.
Re: Random: Yep, Nintendo Switch 2 Game Cartridges Still Taste Disgusting
Should have tasted like a different terrible thing
Re: There's A New Way To Add Friends On Nintendo Switch 2
The second I saw the video chat, I knew friend codes were sticking around.
Re: Switch 2 Game Cart Max Capacity Is 64GB, Says CD Projekt Red
@abe_hikura Well just got an email from them, they aren't doing the invites anymore and the "good news" is at some point "soon" it'll be available to buy, for the 18 seconds before it goes out of stock.
Their advice is to keep checking their site and throwing in the cart and buying it the second you can.