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@FrenchVaniIIuxe the same way anyone is qualified to be president of a business: by being good at business.

@benmalsky198 It's all good.

@benmalsky198 alright I won't dog on you for the multiple comments thing and as I said, I'm not here to make you hate the movie. You love it to bits and I'm happy for that, you see things in it that I don't. I just wanted to try and articulate why as both a Mario fan and a moviegoer the film didn't do it for me. I can see that I haven't done that well, so I'm not going to push it any further. I think it's best that we just agree to disagree and go out separate ways. Is that alright?

@Suketoudara OK i'm sold Nintendo is back

@benmalsky198 I think the only one who's "off base" here is the one who can't condense their response into one single comment.

@HammerGalladeBro Keeping the Koopa lineage going

@SpaceboyScreams Bonus bonus bonus bonus points if she gets Charles Martinet back as Mario.

Not exactly an exciting run as president, wasn't it? Ah well.

All those years and they could've just made a new game instead.

@benmalsky198

Why are opinions so divided when it should have been clear that this movie was a labor of love from a team who absolutely loves the franchise and just wanted to entertain people?

All that hard work and they just did the bare minimum. The film isn't a cinematic disaster but ultimately that talented team of artists just put out something that acts like it has passion but upon further inspection is just pretty shallow and uninspired. They were trying to make an extension of the brand rather than an actual compelling movie that stands on its own.

You guys are acting like this film only meant to be watched by exclusively children and that adults shouldn’t watch it or enjoy it, BUT THAT’S WRONG!

No it isn't? Because it very much is meant for kids first and foremost? They're the target audience of this film no matter what you say.

Movies don’t always have to “say anything”, they could just be pure, escapism entertainment, which I feel we need now more than ever.

Here's the thing - you're not entirely wrong, but you're not right either. In the context of this, an adaptation of an existing brand, by default they have something to say; that being "Hey, we think this is a story that can work great in a new format and we wanna prove it as best as we can!" And Illumination simply didn't do that. They had nothing new to say with Mario's world and characters. It doesn't elevate them, it just keeps them at ground level while expecting folks to be enthralled by Hollywood cliches and cheap references to the games that have done more interesting things with the Mario brand. Galaxy, Odyssey and Bananza are excellent proof of this.

And look - if you liked the movie, that's fine. No one is going to take that away from you. But the long and short of it is we're all thinking, feeling human beings who desire certain things out of media and that's not going to change anytime soon. If people didn't like the film it's because it didn't offer what they were looking for which is also perfectly fine. You gotta be open to the fact that not everyone is gonna be head over heels about it, and that shouldn't impede your enjoyment any further.

Anyways, that's all the time I'm going to give to this. From here on out, you do you.

@VoidofLight oh right i forgot they suck now because of that, thanks for the reminder

@benmalsky198 did you really have to @ me 3 times in 3 separate comments

I can't really say that I have straight answer to that, but will say that, in my opinion, a solid adaptation of any kind relies on a balance of being both accurate and transformative - the live action Rocky and Bullwinkle, the Hitchhiker's Guide movie, even with game adaptations like The Angry Birds Movie; even if they're not absolute cinema, they still work because they clearly understand the spirit of the source and translate that well into a new format. They have something interesting to say within the medium. By contrast, the Mario Movie has nothing to say as a movie - more interesting in pandering to younger fans than telling an interesting Mario story for film.

Objectively untrue. They've taken way more risks these days then they have in say, the Wii U era.

@RoboCube "it was watching a Mario game that's what a Mario Movie should be."

That's the problem. I didn't want to watch a Mario game, I wanted to watch a movie. Whole time the film was running I was asking myself "Why can't I just play this? What does this film have to offer that I can't just get from the actual games? What was the point?" That's what most people seem to be missing.

@NotASockPuppet "I think people here that complain that the movie has no depth when it comes to the characters and story, seem to forget the games themselves lack depth with characters and story."

A cheap excuse to justify a lacking narrative. The mainline games can get away with this because they put a higher focus on compelling gameplay over story(not that they're entirely devoid of that). With movies, it's different. Story is going to be at the forefront and it's the job of the filmmakers to make that story as enaging and compelling as possible no regardless of how simple it is. No one going into the Mario movie was expecting something on the level of The Godfather but at the very least it needed to be on a higher narrative level then the games and they couldn't even do that. If anything the games have stronger and more interesting stories than the movie does.

@poyo_pie if rumors are anything to go by, that's probably going to be Wario's schtick(and even then they'll find some way to make it unbearable).

@Coalescence "cross-armed gamers carping about how it doesn't respect the lore or build a compelling epic story or develop deep characters."

Because God forbid movies have substance beyond flashy setpieces and pandering apparently.

@poyo_pie WHY'D YOU HAVE TO PUT THAT IN MY HEAD

@HammerGalladeBro look forward to her being mischaracterized from a serene and motherly cosmic overseer into a loud quirky comic relief space God voiced by Awkwafina.

@poyo_pie right on the money. As a film it's very banal, trying to hids it's bland and uninteresting characters with cheap references to the games and having nothing of substance beyond it. It's somehow even more uninspired and dull than any of the New Super Mario Bros. games.

Kids will probably love it if they're Mario fans but I think as a movie there are better options. As for me? I'm never gonna watch it.

I refuse.

Okay but why would I wanna play Street Fighter 6 when I could be playing Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective™ instead

@MyMemory Candy is mentioned in the game and there's a picture of her on DK Island.

@TerribleTerabytes the only major "anomaly" is Pauline. Everything else lines up pretty well all things considered - even a certain someone's certain absence.

@charliecarrot yeah pretty much this.

@TerribleTerabytes If you didn't like the story, that's cool. Doesn't make what I said any less untrue.

@TerribleTerabytes No, you just need to have a strong narrative. Storytelling will always be more important than the concept of canon, especially for stories that aren't very complex or intricate, like Bananza.

@TerribleTerabytes except they don't hate stories or world-building? They just don't get hung up on trying to piece everything together to fit the "glorious canon" or whatever.

@Andee as a Monkey Island fan, I can confirm that some people really get hung up on what is or what isn't canon.

I can't loop the game over theme, 0/10

I don't know how to explain it, but Borderlands 4 being higher than Bananza is a crime.

I think they just don't wanna commit, which is okay with me. The DK mythos should be nice and transient, like water or Dedede's design.

@koopababble The opening cutscene in the OG still looks fine all things considered. Just because one version looks technically better does not mean it's objectively better.

@Anti-Matter yeah this is nowhere near as egregious as you think

@YunoboCo they disrespected the original by thinking it needed a remake at all.

@Tayrailbridge so do most video game sequels, what's your point

Well since Sega has said pretty much nothing about their Jet Set revival(especially egregious given its the OG's 25th anniversary) I'll gladly take what I can get. Especially when considering how great BRC was.

I won't be playing it anytime soon, but yes, I am VERY interested in trying the VB as God intended someday and I totally get why they'd emphasize the headset with this*. I don't think a lot of people realize just how much the 3D in these games matter to the experience. Yes, you can technically see them on a flat screen, but I feel that's missing the point. The games were entirely designed with total depth perception in mind and that really does change how you engage with them(the best examples being Mario Clash and Jack Bros). I truly think everyone should experience the system and its games at least once, if only just for the history of the thing. Heck if they don't want to shell out for the headset there's always Red Viper.

_{*this does not mean I agree with the price, I think it definitely should be half of what's on offer. Or at the very least include a replica controller alongside it, good grief}

Because getting a new Mega Man game just wasn't open for consideration, apparently!

I'm glad they're doing more of these "Special Release" deals. Hopefully we get one for Mario Kart World.

@poyo_pie Galaxy 1 wasn't really about exploration either - it was more linear than the likes of 64 and Sunshine. Galaxy 2 just polished it up a little more which is great if you liked that but me, I can take it or leave it.

@poyo_pie @Yoshi3 You say that, but if I'm being real, I only find one of these games more redundant than the other, and it's not the one with the reused map, I'll say that much.

@sixrings dunno why you're being kinda weird about this but sure whatever, you do you

@sixrings really good games don't need remakes. They just need to be better preserved. I respect what they're doing with these Galaxy ports far more than I would if they remade them.

And yeah, I would've been fine with OG Prime. It still holds up well. I appreciate what the remaster offered but I don't see it as the definitive replacement. Same with the Zelda remasters, as a matter of fact.

@Aeralto I was being sarcastic but you do you

@sixrings I'll answer that by rephrasing my comment: how would overglossed pointless remakes of 2 Wii games that still hold up remarkably well be a good showcase of the SW2's horsepower

@Henners how would ports of 2 Wii games that still hold up remarkably well be a good showcase of the SW2's horsepower

@LazyDaisy they need to justify the platinum points somehow

@sixrings NO. WRONG. Rusty's Real Deal Baseball.

something something price complaint

Anyways, something I've found interesting as of late is how Tears of the Kingdom's detractors write that game off as "overpriced DLC" and meanwhile Galaxy 2 is showered with glowing praise even though it was originally $60 and started out as DLC for Galaxy 1.

Not trying to start anything, just a thought that I had.