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@DTFaux "There's also no rule saying one can't break styles or characterizations across media (the Princess Peach Showtime cover art being a smaller example of this)."

I wouldn't consider a minor facial change comparable to a radical redesign of a character - especially since the Mario Movie is, even with its odd changes, still overall very close to the established character design philosophies of the games.

I think the curtains are just blue.

@DTFaux I don't get the "infant Rosalina" correlation. We already know what Baby Rosalina looks like and if the first Mario movie is anything to go by then Illumination will stick closely to that design.

I don't think it has to do with any actual game or property. It might just be a simple short film from Nintendo Pictures and nothing more.

@Novuscourvous Oh I don't actually think the story is bad. Enjoyed it a lot.

I don't even know... I'm at a loss for words.

Also I don't get why people are connecting this to the Mario Movie? Like this is a completely different visual style.

@hisownsidekick here's my theory: I think they just wanna make sure the app has some form of longevity at the end of the day and keeping it to a once-a-week format is a solid way to do that. It's easy to be sarcastic and cynical about this(as @garfreek has just proven)but I don't think the approach they're going with here isn't inherently a bad one.

@nessisonett yeah, they updated the OST so it's more in line with the modern PMs in terms of quantity and instrumentation. The OG tracks have all been rearranged and in some cases, expanded upon with new variations. In addition, a bunch of new tracks were composed for the remake, including new leitmotifs for the partners and entirely new battle themes for certain boss fights.

Putting ALLLLL the battle themes on loop tonight, baby

especially you, Chapter 6

@MrCarlos46 those three seem unlikely but Metroid and Sonic would be a heck of a spectacle

Not my favorites of the 3D Mario's but I enjoyed them well enough. I'll give 'em an 8.

@Robot99 yes yes we get it TotK story bad

Eh I dunno, seeing a bunch of masked guys isn't exactly interesting to me--

[sees Lenalia]

Now that's what I'm talking about

Eh, nah. I already own the duology on Wii U and since the Galaxy games aren't Mario games I'm head over heels for I didn't feel the need to double dip.

@PinderSchloss I doubt the number will scare players away that much. Dread for example is Metroid 5, but it made a point of recapping the events of the previous games well enough so as not to intimidate newbies. I expect the same approach will taken with 4.

Personally, Zero Mission and Dread have my favorite title screens, but Super definitely has the best title screen. Sets up the game's tone perfectly. The darkened lab, the scattered corpses, the unassuming infant in the center of it all, tied together with that unsettling rendition of game 1's title theme. Listen close and it almost kinda sounds like heavy breathing.

(also, should Prime Remastered really get its own slot? It's pretty much just Prime 1's screen but with a nicer logo.)

@EarthboundBenjy
"how can you possibly replay it if it's your first time?"

the original is still available for purchase at a nice and reasonable $20 on the eShop. Not too hard to replay it at all.

So it's not actually a papercraft style, it's just using rigged animation?

I'm sure the game will be good regardless but that is way less exciting tbh.

The lost Lost Levels

@charliecarrot for real. It's not going to kill them if they just say that Mario games have composers other than Koji Kondo

Oh! Surprising.

I wonder if Mahito Yokota composed these. He hasn't made music for a new Mario game since 3D World.

the person who uploads this onto the internet archive will be a real hero

@Jack_Goetz it wouldn't be a Nintendo system if they didn't.

@rjejr there's no big upgrade for these games like with BoTW, it's more like the performance patch for Mario Odyssey, where it just looks/runs better when you're playing on SW2.

@Moonlessky counterargument: it's a dead video game no one can buy anymore. One that got a very public execution.

@charliecarrot oh yeah there was definitely some uproar about Skyward Sword HD's price when that was announced. TWP faired a bit better in comparison iirc.

@rjejr be real: if there were a SW2 cart it'd be $80 and you'd be complaining about that even more. Don't try to deny it you KNOW you would.

@HingryHuppo If fun is what you're looking for, come back when you're a little...MMMMM, richer

Gee what a shock. It's almost as if even in spite of the price these are still two of the most universally beloved Mario games of all time.

Price bad price bad price bad. Alright got that out of the way...

The Galaxy games aren't my favorite Mario titles but they're still solidly made games nonetheless and it's nice to have them available in a more permanent state compared to the last time Galaxy was rereleased.

@Sabruka This is like asking if humans really need to breathe air for survival. Of COURSE we do, you uncultured swine. THE PLANET SPINS - SPINS - AROUND STABILITY UPDATES, YOU MANGY CUR. YOU BETTER RECOGNIZE.

@FrenchVaniIIuxe the same way anyone is qualified to be president of a business: by being good at business.

@benmalsky198 It's all good.

@benmalsky198 alright I won't dog on you for the multiple comments thing and as I said, I'm not here to make you hate the movie. You love it to bits and I'm happy for that, you see things in it that I don't. I just wanted to try and articulate why as both a Mario fan and a moviegoer the film didn't do it for me. I can see that I haven't done that well, so I'm not going to push it any further. I think it's best that we just agree to disagree and go out separate ways. Is that alright?

@Suketoudara OK i'm sold Nintendo is back

@benmalsky198 I think the only one who's "off base" here is the one who can't condense their response into one single comment.

@HammerGalladeBro Keeping the Koopa lineage going

@SpaceboyScreams Bonus bonus bonus bonus points if she gets Charles Martinet back as Mario.

Not exactly an exciting run as president, wasn't it? Ah well.

All those years and they could've just made a new game instead.

@benmalsky198

Why are opinions so divided when it should have been clear that this movie was a labor of love from a team who absolutely loves the franchise and just wanted to entertain people?

All that hard work and they just did the bare minimum. The film isn't a cinematic disaster but ultimately that talented team of artists just put out something that acts like it has passion but upon further inspection is just pretty shallow and uninspired. They were trying to make an extension of the brand rather than an actual compelling movie that stands on its own.

You guys are acting like this film only meant to be watched by exclusively children and that adults shouldn’t watch it or enjoy it, BUT THAT’S WRONG!

No it isn't? Because it very much is meant for kids first and foremost? They're the target audience of this film no matter what you say.

Movies don’t always have to “say anything”, they could just be pure, escapism entertainment, which I feel we need now more than ever.

Here's the thing - you're not entirely wrong, but you're not right either. In the context of this, an adaptation of an existing brand, by default they have something to say; that being "Hey, we think this is a story that can work great in a new format and we wanna prove it as best as we can!" And Illumination simply didn't do that. They had nothing new to say with Mario's world and characters. It doesn't elevate them, it just keeps them at ground level while expecting folks to be enthralled by Hollywood cliches and cheap references to the games that have done more interesting things with the Mario brand. Galaxy, Odyssey and Bananza are excellent proof of this.

And look - if you liked the movie, that's fine. No one is going to take that away from you. But the long and short of it is we're all thinking, feeling human beings who desire certain things out of media and that's not going to change anytime soon. If people didn't like the film it's because it didn't offer what they were looking for which is also perfectly fine. You gotta be open to the fact that not everyone is gonna be head over heels about it, and that shouldn't impede your enjoyment any further.

Anyways, that's all the time I'm going to give to this. From here on out, you do you.

@VoidofLight oh right i forgot they suck now because of that, thanks for the reminder

@benmalsky198 did you really have to @ me 3 times in 3 separate comments

I can't really say that I have straight answer to that, but will say that, in my opinion, a solid adaptation of any kind relies on a balance of being both accurate and transformative - the live action Rocky and Bullwinkle, the Hitchhiker's Guide movie, even with game adaptations like The Angry Birds Movie; even if they're not absolute cinema, they still work because they clearly understand the spirit of the source and translate that well into a new format. They have something interesting to say within the medium. By contrast, the Mario Movie has nothing to say as a movie - more interesting in pandering to younger fans than telling an interesting Mario story for film.

Objectively untrue. They've taken way more risks these days then they have in say, the Wii U era.

@RoboCube "it was watching a Mario game that's what a Mario Movie should be."

That's the problem. I didn't want to watch a Mario game, I wanted to watch a movie. Whole time the film was running I was asking myself "Why can't I just play this? What does this film have to offer that I can't just get from the actual games? What was the point?" That's what most people seem to be missing.

@NotASockPuppet "I think people here that complain that the movie has no depth when it comes to the characters and story, seem to forget the games themselves lack depth with characters and story."

A cheap excuse to justify a lacking narrative. The mainline games can get away with this because they put a higher focus on compelling gameplay over story(not that they're entirely devoid of that). With movies, it's different. Story is going to be at the forefront and it's the job of the filmmakers to make that story as enaging and compelling as possible no regardless of how simple it is. No one going into the Mario movie was expecting something on the level of The Godfather but at the very least it needed to be on a higher narrative level then the games and they couldn't even do that. If anything the games have stronger and more interesting stories than the movie does.

@poyo_pie if rumors are anything to go by, that's probably going to be Wario's schtick(and even then they'll find some way to make it unbearable).

@Coalescence "cross-armed gamers carping about how it doesn't respect the lore or build a compelling epic story or develop deep characters."

Because God forbid movies have substance beyond flashy setpieces and pandering apparently.

@poyo_pie WHY'D YOU HAVE TO PUT THAT IN MY HEAD

@HammerGalladeBro look forward to her being mischaracterized from a serene and motherly cosmic overseer into a loud quirky comic relief space God voiced by Awkwafina.

@poyo_pie right on the money. As a film it's very banal, trying to hids it's bland and uninteresting characters with cheap references to the games and having nothing of substance beyond it. It's somehow even more uninspired and dull than any of the New Super Mario Bros. games.