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@NintendoWife "I'm one of those who don't quite warm to open worlds and scattered bite-sized rewards. I'd rather have linear design / storytelling and epic missions back."

I find that I can accept either approach as long as they're designed and executed well enough, which I feel has been true of Nintendo's current output. Of course I understand if you prefer one over the other, and that's totally fine, so long as you're not as resentful about it as others are.

@NintendoWife hey if you liked them I won't fault you for that but I just disagree with the notion that Odyssey's collecting feels more of a chore than the previous 3D Marios. I had more fun getting 500 Moons than I did hunting for 100 coins in 64, or the nightmare that was getting 240 blue coins in Sunshine, or scouring the overly linear levels of Galaxy 2 for the hidden green star.

@Yoshi3 "Mario 64, Sunshine and Galaxy are the best because they ALWAYS felt fun during its run and never turned into a chore."

100 coin challenges. Blue coins. Green stars.

That is my response to that.

@timschel Except there is. Even with the various subtle tweaks and changes, there's still plenty of constants to keep his design consistent throughout iterations, including the eyes. And just because Nintendo gave Illumination's design their approval doesn't mean it's objectively good or without flaw.

@Spider-Kev said no one in particular

@Anti-Matter That's not really saying a lot because Miyamoto isn't writing or directing this. His role is mainly just to ensure everything is "on brand," which doesn't necessarily mean it'll be truly faithful to the source.

@PeterTomlan86 it's not just you. I sincerely doubt Illumination will do a good job of adaptating Galaxy's grandiose nature to film without sanding that away in favor of a more safe and shallow product.

@CaleBoi25 you might wanna scroll up a little bit to where I said I thought Jenny Kidd did a great job as Pauline

@Lizuka they're way too big and wide-eyed. Yoshi's eyes are supposed to be a little smaller and half-lidded.

Anyways yeah these Mario movie designs always somehow make the characters look a lot less appealing than they do in the games, especially when they try to recreate renders from the game art. Here we Mario soaring through space getting dangerously close to cracking a DreamWorks smirk - a far cry from the more friendly look of the render it's based on. For comparison:

@batmanbud2 Kidd's Pauline was great - better than I thought it'd be - but I felt some of her line reads were slightly off. A tad too overacted in a few areas, specifically the cutscenes.

@Dom_31 Hard agree. Nintendo's english voice department has always been mediocre(with some exceptions) but it's taken a serious nosedive in quality during the Switch era. Sometimes it's just bad direction(Zelda, Bananza) and other times it's just bad casting(Mario). Or both.

It's never happening.

@UnbreakableAlex Nintendo stories can be good and enjoyable even if they're not all serious and I've still managed to be moved by them regardless of whether or not they're emotionally complex. If you think simpler stories are bad because they don't give you "the feels" or whatever then that says more about you than it does me. Maybe reconsider how you engage with art a little more instead of forcing people to accept one solution, you philistine.

We are done here. You do you.

@UnbreakableAlex "Nintendo Stories are more childish, slapstick type."

Ah yes, how could I forget about the childish plot of Mother 3 and its slapstick laden themes of coping with tragedy and fighting back against corrupt industrialization.

Happy 20th, NL. You don't look a day over 42.

(I think I did that wrong.)

If you're looking for ideas then I would suggest adding a poll option for the forum threads.

@SirLink Let me be clear: if you didn't like it? that's honestly fine, I've no qualms with that. I don't expect to change your mind.

My main issue is people criticizing Bananza for not being 1:1 DKC and acting like smashing and punching things is too "oUt Of LiNe" for a character like Donkey Kong. It isn't! It's a style of play that fits perfectly with the character and his most defining traits(his MASSIVE strength and power).

If I wanted a nimble precision platformer in a 3D space, Mario is right there. I'd much rather a 3D Donkey Kong have him do things Mario can't do, focus on what makes the ape different from the plumber beyond just the aesthetics, which Bananza(imo anyway) does quite successfully and to see people immediately deriding it for doing that just really disappoints me. Like no one wants to be challenged by new styles of play.

@SirLink Well I've never seen a gorilla tie a tie and yet here we are. If you don't think destroying rock-hard terrain with his BARE HANDS isn't enough of an example for showing how powerful the ape is then frankly I don't think you've actually paid any attention to who Donkey Kong is or what he's done, which honestly wouldn't surprise me. I guess all he should do is jump on things according to you.

@SirLink "I mean, he’s not just any gorilla, he’s Donkey Kong, and he's supposed to do a lot more than just that."

What is he supposed to do then that isn't exercising his raw power, aka his most defining character trait?

@SirLink God forbid the 500lb hulking gorilla does the most natural thing one would expect a 500lb hulking gorilla to do instead of just being a Mario clone

@UnbreakableAlex I've played a lot great games with a lot of great stories - Grim Fandango, The Sly Trilogy, Monkey Island 2, Mother 3, and Ori 1, among many, many, others. I don't see how you'd think one game is going to change my feelings on Nintendo's stories or my stance on the art of storytelling in general.

@UnbreakableAlex not yet, no, it's on my backlog. Your point?

@mlt and what exactly could a 3D DKC game do that 3D Mario's already haven't done(beyond just aesthetics)? Nimble precision platforming challenges in a 3D space has already been covered by this point.

@Solid_Python they poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses

"Donkey Kong, as beloved as he is, isn’t Mario."

Well you know what they say about accounting for taste. Seems like those dissatisfied with Bananza just want a 3D Mario game where he wears a Donkey Kong costume instead of a game designed for/around the actual character of Donkey Kong.

@UnbreakableAlex it might not be captivating for you but that doesn't mean it's the same for everyone else - such is the nature of storytelling: everyone's going to get something different out of it. I for one really liked the stories of both Breath and Tears(even if yes, the way Tears told its story wasn't the best), in addition to plenty of other current Nintendo titles.

@johnedwin "so many did not even get to play these old games"

Then they should just make those old games more readily available!! Focus on better preserving those classics instead of trying to replace them with remakes that aren't always the best way to experience them!

@EVIL-C okay then enjoy having no actual new games and playing glossier versions of older titles that don't often capture what made those originals great to begin with

With each day my disdain for remake culture intensifies more and more. The fact there analysts trying to figure out what "needs" to be remade only furthers that.

@MARl0 I also exist but that doesn't mean I could surpass Mario Kart sales

Good if you need a primer and don't have about 2 hours to spend.

@Ralek85 the Mario movie was already a smash hit in the animation side of things - only natural they'd want to reach that same level of success in the live action scene as well.

@TheBigK yeah this. Buying Rare wouldn't really mean much in the end given that most of the old guard responsible for those iconic titles aren't really working there anymore. People who want a new Banjo are just outta luck at this point.*

_{*Yes I know Playtonic exists but personally speaking I don't really have confidence that they'd be able to deliver a new Banjo on the same level as the first}

Nah it's gotta be Chief Hardy.

So essentially they're just continuing to invest in other developers and ensuring that good working relationships are established between them. In that case I'm not too worried. They've had a better track record with this kind of thing than Xbox or Sony has had so far.

@Grumblevolcano I doubt this very much.

@StewdaMegaManNerd "Would anybody really want to listen to Mario speaking in his usual voice for an hour and a half?"

Literally YES. If a character has an iconic voice then that's what people want to hear first and foremost. What is exactly is so hard to understand about that?!

Better late than never I guess.

Didn't they say something similar with the GBA back when the DS was announced?

If they aren't all as creatively/narratively shallow as the Mario movies then maybe I'll give them a gander

@Paper_Yoshi If they truly lacked confidence then they wouldn't be promoting it at all.

You don't have to agree with their methods but hey, if it works it works.

@PharoneTheGnome
"This rando octopus platformer that looks and plays nothing like Donkey Kong is somehow more like a Donkey Kong game than the actual Donkey Kong game that I dislike for not being the Donkey Kong game I wanted!"

People will say anything at this point.

@Timppis
"Switch 2 is the worst selling console of the Nintendo history so far."

N64DD: "Am I a joke to you"

Happy to see the ape succeeding in spite of folks wanting him to fail.

@Rockety @VoidofLight In regards to the KK songs, I suppose that makes sense, but at the same time, you can never have too much of a good thing, no?

Not a bad pick given the timing of the hourly playlist update, but did anyone notice some tracks aren't present? The Welcome amiibo and KK songs don't seem to be listed...

Even if this were true, it'd probably be put out by Nintendo first, either through a mini Direct or via the Nintendo Today app.

@ChaoticIgnorance Eh, you do make a fair point.

I don't think we'll get a proper new entry until the next non-sequel Nintendo console if we're being honest. Barring smaller titles like HHD, Animal Crossing has always been a "one game-per console" series.

Wait, he WASN'T in Necrodancer before??? That can't be right...

@SirLink I like the 3DS port but it's just a nicer version of a game that already holds up well. The original is still a worthwhile way to play.