I forgot how bland Archie and Maxie looked before their redesigns. More importantly, the lack of Cipher annoys me. They were the best.
That being said, this is a pretty bonkers thing for them to be doing. I didn't see it coming. Now I'm wondering how Giovanni, perhaps the least threatening villain here, became leader.
I'll just put something positive here,, since no one else wants to.
I'm hyped to see what they do. Sonic has built up a lot of great lore over the years and anything could happen in this movie! I'd love to see something that marries the two sides of Sonic: The retro side that I don't like but everyone else adores, and the Adventure Era between Sonic Adventure one and Sonic Rush Adventure.
We'll just have to wait and see what the trailer has for us. I'm hoping Rouge or Blaze can make the cut, even though I don't see it happening.
I was excited until @Bunkerneath set me straight. SO not bothering with this now. Thanks for helping me dodge that bullet. I used to play Mario RPGs to get away from the same dull monotony of the platformers.
I'm kinda underwhelmed by this intro, to be honest. Very little actually happened. This will be one of those that I have to skip every time I load the game, and I usually watch intros every time.
It's so cool seeing HD versions of these characters, though!
@BlueOcean Didn't you just say that it was weird for people to stop being interested in Yooka-Laylee because its release date is close to Mario's now? I wasn't trying to assume what you thought about Odyssey or question you interest in the series.
I remember when Zelda did this and I was bummed that they had nothing from Oracle of Seasons, and now this will bum we out with its lack of Sacred Stones. But I still think that Fire Emblem Warriors has a great line-up so far, and I'm excited to see if my favorites from Awakening and Fates get in.
Of course, I was thoroughly underwhelmed by Blazing Sword and never played the Ike games, so I can't get my official "real Fire Emblem Strategy Fan" badge because I don't like the right games.
I learned to stop expecting franchises to go the way I want them to when Paper Mario broke my heart, so I'll take what they give me.
The Patreon page was crossing a line, but videoes should stay up. It's interesting that the reaction here is more unaminous than it was with AM2R. So many commenters here defending Nintendo from the almost no one attacking them.
And after Super Mario Maker made me believe that Nintendo was accepting and channeling the inevitability of fanworks.
I must have the greatest copies of the Sonic Adventure games ever made, because I've never once had any trouble with glitches and only occasional camera problems. The only things I think have aged poorly are the voicework and the facial animations. I loved the Chao Garden, loved the Sonic/Shadow stages, loved the Tails/Eggman stages, and managed to enjoy the Knuckles/Rouge stages despite their inherent flaws. The Adventure games got me into Sonic and I honestly prefer them to the classic games.
But the fanbase has spoken. Sonic Mania is our true savoir, and no Adventure revival will sway them. In a sense, Sonic Adventure 3 would be a "step back" considering how far they've drifted from that formula. Could they even pull it off?
The good thing about this direct is that Nintendo has covered its bases this year. I'm out of things to reasonably expect, so anything new will surprise me. But I can still make unreasonable demands!
-Drill Dozer 2 with Jill amiibo -New Custom Robo with Ray amiibo -Paper Mario TTYD + Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass with Partner Amiibo set
@XCWarrior Okay, you're right. It's good if you don't already have these games. I guess what I was saying is that the package has nothing to offer to me but the plastic shell. I have all the games I'm interested in, so it's that much money for backup copies to me.
I'd also just prefer the original console to a collector's item. But you're right, I was out of line and I'm sorry.
I can't wrap my head around the appeal of "Classic Minis." They just seem like overpriced products. But I don't really have any nostalgic loyalty to physical consoles anyway. I'll play the games on my Wii U, thanks.
It is interesting to see that Nintendo's strategy for making their market friendlier to third parties is to remove their own games from the equation. It's so weird.
Looks impressive. Unfortunately, anything that has Waluigi but doesn't have Daisy is an automatic strike against it. Kaze invented a Rosalina model but couldn't import Daisy from Mario Party 3?
There are several games I enjoy on the Switch, though I'm hearing that many of them debuted on Playstation or Ouya already. The games unique to Switch haven't drawn me in just yet (It's rare that I enjoy a Zelda game, and BOTW is no exception. I l ike linear games.) I don't see Stupid Mario Hat: Mind over Mutant winning me over, either. I'm looking forward to Fire Emblem Warriors and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 this year, though.
The hybrid nature of the console doesn't do it for me. The Switch feels barren in features compared to both the Wii U and 3DS. Wake me up when it starts having themes, the Badge Arcade, or Miis running around holding up game titles. The interface is boring. I have to see is thing every time I boot it up, so make it less dull.
Despite my complaints, the Switch is still a good handheld and passable console. I tend to see it as a handheld clumsily trying to be a console so Nintendo doesn't have to admit that they're leaning on their portable market to prop their console market back up.
"Why are your home consoles so behind the times, Nintendo?"
"Well, that depends. What is a home console? Have we ever defined what a home console is? Maybe our awesome portables are actually home consoles. From that perspective, we do very well."
I'm looking forward to teaming Lissa and Elise up. They almost look related, anyway.
At least I can't accuse them of not being thorough. I was worried we wouldn't get Leo and Hinoka before they were announced, so it's good that everyone will have their favorite sibling.
I'd love to see some love for Shadows of Valentia and Sacred Stones, but I was told not to expect them, so I don't. It's tough when your favorites aren't successful or the cult classics.
Just another reason not to buy it. Kanto is my least favorite region and Ryuki's hair is painful to look at. Why not imitate Gold/Silver more by going to Kalos, the immediate predecessor? Anywhere but Kanto. They've played that card out.
It's weird to see how many people here prefer low-magic settings in a franchise where people sling darkness at one another. I've played Sacred Stones, Awakening, two of the Fates storylines, and Valentia. The supporting characters in these games are all more engaging than the protagonist, so I also raise an eyebrow at how boring people find Corrin. I didn't find him/her to be an outlier in that regard. I'm hyped for the Switch game. I wonder what they left out of Valentia?
@AlexSora89 I'd rather have Dragon Quest 11 on Switch than Builders, honestly. Any port of Kingdom Hearts 3 would come out by the time I've finished the game on Xbox One, so that won't make a difference for me. So I half agree with you, I suppose.
Sonic Forces isn't looking especially appealing yet, but I'm more interested in this than Sonic Mania. There's some intrigue here about whether there will be a twist with Infinite or if he's really just a new character. I also want to see what Chaos is doing here. Sonic Mania just looks bland and narrative-free: I saw what New Super Mario Bros. did to Mario and I won't support it with Sonic.
I'm excited to to where this goes. The new girl's doofy expression makes me want to see what her personality will be. She looks more like a game model than an anime character. The only thing bugging me is Lucario: I've had my fill of that Pokemon and would have liked to see something else in the spotlight.
Well, the trailer did look completely incoherent. I wish the series would go back to the Sonic Adventure mold or the Sonic Advance series. Sonic Mania feels like such a regression with those ugly classic designs. Give them eye colors at least!
He takes issue with new characters, which is why this game introduces a marriage agency full of new characters. And a ghost thing that wears Mario's hat. Makes perfect sense. Is the backlash to your Paper Mario demands still fresh on your mind, Miyamoto?
I like New Donk City just fine and would like the location to be fleshed out like Isle Delfino was as the location of the full game. Also neat to see Pauline, though there were other characters I would have rather seen get the boost. (None of whom were created by Miyamoto, so it won't happen.)
What doesn't feel like Mario is the hat mechanic. I see Mario spin dash around like Sonic and possess enemies like Crash in Mind Over Mutant and I wonder who it is I'm playing. I'm just not feeling this game. I'm getting Superstar Saga this holiday season instead.
Wow, the Krystal hate is real on this sight. I didn't know she was so unpopular. I haven't seen so much bashing since Waluigi's introduction.
I'm happy to see Shantae make the list. She's an indie character who actually has a solid history of games. Also happy for K. Rool and Inkling. My biggest gripe is Sora: I like him just fine, but any appearance from Kingdom Hearts would feel empty to me without Donald and Goofy, who aren't allowed in Smash.
This news had made me look into Atari to see what their library is. I'm pleasantly surprised to see that Wayforward reimagined Centipede for the Wii and I'm now planning to get that.
Outside of that, I see Crystal Castles, Yar's Revenge, Swordquest, Cybermorph, Fight for Life, Club Drive, and River Raid as properties that could potentially be revamped for a new audience. Nostalgia would be niche, but it could work if the reinvention is exciting.
Nintendo did just about everything that they could of done, and I'm happy about them. What the presentation needed was a demonstration of Sonic Forces, a look at Dragon Quest X & XI, and an indie sizzle reel. Basically everything Nintendo wasn't directly involved in.
I'm stoked to play the remastered Superstar Saga and the new Kirby. The new Yoshi looks a bit too standard, honestly. The only amiibo I must have is Tiki, though I hope the roster in Fire Emblem Heroes is much bigger than they're showing. Xenoblade 2 surprised me with how interested I was, while Super Mario Odyssey continues to turn me off with its hat gimmick. Mayor Pauline does have me intrigued, though. I just wish that I knew what the heck is even going on in Sonic Forces. Why are Chaos and Shadow evil again?
Overall, this was a strong list of games and I'm excited for the future.
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Re: The Villainous Giovanni Returns In Pokémon Ultra Sun And Ultra Moon
I forgot how bland Archie and Maxie looked before their redesigns. More importantly, the lack of Cipher annoys me. They were the best.
That being said, this is a pretty bonkers thing for them to be doing. I didn't see it coming. Now I'm wondering how Giovanni, perhaps the least threatening villain here, became leader.
Re: Review: Fire Emblem Warriors (Switch)
I'm hype for this. Can't wait to see who is in the dlc packs!
Re: Review: Brave Dungeon + Dark Witch Story:COMBAT (Switch eShop)
I've been meaning to get this on 3ds, so it'll be good to get a bonus buying it on the Switch instead. You gotta love the budget price point.
Re: The Sonic Movie is Now Being Produced by Paramount
I'll just put something positive here,, since no one else wants to.
I'm hyped to see what they do. Sonic has built up a lot of great lore over the years and anything could happen in this movie! I'd love to see something that marries the two sides of Sonic: The retro side that I don't like but everyone else adores, and the Adventure Era between Sonic Adventure one and Sonic Rush Adventure.
We'll just have to wait and see what the trailer has for us. I'm hoping Rouge or Blaze can make the cut, even though I don't see it happening.
Re: Feature: Learn More About Indie Pogo, a Quirky Brawler Featuring Iconic Nindies
Gotta get Rusty and Shantae. I need some familiar faces outside of Lilac.
Re: Video: Check Out an Extended Trailer for Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions
I was excited until @Bunkerneath set me straight. SO not bothering with this now. Thanks for helping me dodge that bullet. I used to play Mario RPGs to get away from the same dull monotony of the platformers.
Re: Place Your Bets and Check Out the Casino Forest 'Classic' Stage in Sonic Forces
The story trailer looks great! I just wish Classic Sonic wasn't here. He should stay in his own neck of the woods.
Re: Fire Emblem Warriors Gets a Suitably Dramatic Intro Cinematic
I'm kinda underwhelmed by this intro, to be honest. Very little actually happened. This will be one of those that I have to skip every time I load the game, and I usually watch intros every time.
It's so cool seeing HD versions of these characters, though!
Re: Video: Check Out the First Footage of The Mummy: Demastered
Super excited!
Re: Playtonic Games is Working on Unity Issues for Yooka-Laylee on Switch
@BlueOcean Didn't you just say that it was weird for people to stop being interested in Yooka-Laylee because its release date is close to Mario's now? I wasn't trying to assume what you thought about Odyssey or question you interest in the series.
Re: Playtonic Games is Working on Unity Issues for Yooka-Laylee on Switch
@BlueOcean I meant that yu didn't let Mario steamroll your interest in anything else.
Re: Playtonic Games is Working on Unity Issues for Yooka-Laylee on Switch
@BlueOcean Wow, you're the only other person I've seen who wasn't blown away by BOTW or Mario Odyssey. I feel like you really get me.
Anyway, I don't have to care about Mario or Yooka-Laylee because my eye is on A Hat in Time. Might still get Yooka Laylee over Mario, though.
Re: Nintendo Outlines Season Pass Details for Fire Emblem Warriors
I remember when Zelda did this and I was bummed that they had nothing from Oracle of Seasons, and now this will bum we out with its lack of Sacred Stones. But I still think that Fire Emblem Warriors has a great line-up so far, and I'm excited to see if my favorites from Awakening and Fates get in.
Of course, I was thoroughly underwhelmed by Blazing Sword and never played the Ike games, so I can't get my official "real Fire Emblem Strategy Fan" badge because I don't like the right games.
I learned to stop expecting franchises to go the way I want them to when Paper Mario broke my heart, so I'll take what they give me.
Re: Random: Sega Joins Up With Hooters To Promote Sonic Forces In Japan
I hope cosplay is involved. Just having mascot suit Sonic seems like a low effort tie-in.
Re: Nintendo Takes Down Super Mario 64 Online Videos And Creator's Patreon
The Patreon page was crossing a line, but videoes should stay up. It's interesting that the reaction here is more unaminous than it was with AM2R. So many commenters here defending Nintendo from the almost no one attacking them.
And after Super Mario Maker made me believe that Nintendo was accepting and channeling the inevitability of fanworks.
Re: XSEED Games Reveals What Will Come Included with Shantae: Half-Genie Hero Ultimate Edition
Double-dipping is bad for my savings, but I need to support Wayforward's continued success. I gotta do it.
Re: SEGA Knows Fans Want Sonic Adventure 3
I must have the greatest copies of the Sonic Adventure games ever made, because I've never once had any trouble with glitches and only occasional camera problems. The only things I think have aged poorly are the voicework and the facial animations. I loved the Chao Garden, loved the Sonic/Shadow stages, loved the Tails/Eggman stages, and managed to enjoy the Knuckles/Rouge stages despite their inherent flaws. The Adventure games got me into Sonic and I honestly prefer them to the classic games.
But the fanbase has spoken. Sonic Mania is our true savoir, and no Adventure revival will sway them. In a sense, Sonic Adventure 3 would be a "step back" considering how far they've drifted from that formula. Could they even pull it off?
Re: Shadow to be Playable in Free 'Episode Shadow' DLC for Sonic Forces
There's some serious range on that homing attack. I'm happy Shadow's back as a playable, but I have no idea what this game is doing with him.
I'm ready to give it a whirl. Here's hoping.
Re: The First Hat Wearing Pikachu Giveaway Has Started in Pokémon Sun and Moon
It'll either be Hoenn or Unova for me.
Re: Mario Party: The Top 100 Will Combine The Best Of The Series On 3DS
Sadly, the board is what I play Mario Party for. I'm skipping this without it.
Re: Nintendo Switch Is Getting A New Phantasy Star Online Game
Always up for trying Sega franchises I've never played. Though it would be better in English.
Re: WayForward Is Hoping To Bring Mystik Belle To Switch Soon
I sincerely hope they can get that going. I'll never get enough WayForward.
Re: Feature: What We Expect from the Nintendo Direct - 13th September
The good thing about this direct is that Nintendo has covered its bases this year. I'm out of things to reasonably expect, so anything new will surprise me. But I can still make unreasonable demands!
-Drill Dozer 2 with Jill amiibo
-New Custom Robo with Ray amiibo
-Paper Mario TTYD + Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass with Partner Amiibo set
Re: Nintendo Is Resurrecting The NES Classic Mini And Increasing SNES Classic Inventory
@XCWarrior Okay, you're right. It's good if you don't already have these games. I guess what I was saying is that the package has nothing to offer to me but the plastic shell. I have all the games I'm interested in, so it's that much money for backup copies to me.
I'd also just prefer the original console to a collector's item. But you're right, I was out of line and I'm sorry.
Re: Nintendo Is Resurrecting The NES Classic Mini And Increasing SNES Classic Inventory
I can't wrap my head around the appeal of "Classic Minis." They just seem like overpriced products. But I don't really have any nostalgic loyalty to physical consoles anyway. I'll play the games on my Wii U, thanks.
It is interesting to see that Nintendo's strategy for making their market friendlier to third parties is to remove their own games from the equation. It's so weird.
Re: Get Ready for a Nintendo Direct on 13th September
@justin233 Heck yeah, Drill Dozer 2! That would be the greatest thing!
Re: Get Ready for a Nintendo Direct on 13th September
I'm looking forward to more Fire Emblem announcements. Can't wait for everyone to demand that their favorite game be featured.
Other than that, a localization of the Great Ace Attorney or Sakura Wars is always on my list.
Re: Fan-Made 'Super Mario 64 Online' Released
Looks impressive. Unfortunately, anything that has Waluigi but doesn't have Daisy is an automatic strike against it. Kaze invented a Rosalina model but couldn't import Daisy from Mario Party 3?
Re: Poll: Six Months of the Switch - What Do You Think of Nintendo's Console Hybrid?
There are several games I enjoy on the Switch, though I'm hearing that many of them debuted on Playstation or Ouya already. The games unique to Switch haven't drawn me in just yet (It's rare that I enjoy a Zelda game, and BOTW is no exception. I l ike linear games.) I don't see Stupid Mario Hat: Mind over Mutant winning me over, either. I'm looking forward to Fire Emblem Warriors and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 this year, though.
The hybrid nature of the console doesn't do it for me. The Switch feels barren in features compared to both the Wii U and 3DS. Wake me up when it starts having themes, the Badge Arcade, or Miis running around holding up game titles. The interface is boring. I have to see is thing every time I boot it up, so make it less dull.
Despite my complaints, the Switch is still a good handheld and passable console. I tend to see it as a handheld clumsily trying to be a console so Nintendo doesn't have to admit that they're leaning on their portable market to prop their console market back up.
"Why are your home consoles so behind the times, Nintendo?"
"Well, that depends. What is a home console? Have we ever defined what a home console is? Maybe our awesome portables are actually home consoles. From that perspective, we do very well."
Re: Two More Characters Are Confirmed For Fire Emblem Warriors
I'm looking forward to teaming Lissa and Elise up. They almost look related, anyway.
At least I can't accuse them of not being thorough. I was worried we wouldn't get Leo and Hinoka before they were announced, so it's good that everyone will have their favorite sibling.
I'd love to see some love for Shadows of Valentia and Sacred Stones, but I was told not to expect them, so I don't. It's tough when your favorites aren't successful or the cult classics.
Re: Check Out the Tag Team Gameplay of Sonic Forces
This looks cool. It's not on the same level of the character switches in Sonic Heroes (which I loved), but it's good to see the idea come back.
Re: Random: Pokémon Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon has a New 'Photo Club' Mode, and Kanto Could Return
Just another reason not to buy it. Kanto is my least favorite region and Ryuki's hair is painful to look at. Why not imitate Gold/Silver more by going to Kalos, the immediate predecessor? Anywhere but Kanto. They've played that card out.
Re: Fire Emblem Echoes Developers on How the Game Iterates on Fire Emblem Fates
It's weird to see how many people here prefer low-magic settings in a franchise where people sling darkness at one another. I've played Sacred Stones, Awakening, two of the Fates storylines, and Valentia. The supporting characters in these games are all more engaging than the protagonist, so I also raise an eyebrow at how boring people find Corrin. I didn't find him/her to be an outlier in that regard.
I'm hyped for the Switch game. I wonder what they left out of Valentia?
Re: Dragon Quest Builders 2 Confirmed for Nintendo Switch
@AlexSora89 I'd rather have Dragon Quest 11 on Switch than Builders, honestly. Any port of Kingdom Hearts 3 would come out by the time I've finished the game on Xbox One, so that won't make a difference for me. So I half agree with you, I suppose.
Re: Walmart Cancels a Number of SNES Mini Pre-Orders
I'm so relieved that I have no investment in Star Fox, or else Nintendo Preorder Circus (tm) would be torture.
Re: Video: Get a Good Look at Infinite, the New Villain in Sonic Forces
@AlienX Sonic Colors was when they decided to stop having a cast, for one.
Re: Video: Get a Good Look at Infinite, the New Villain in Sonic Forces
Sonic Forces isn't looking especially appealing yet, but I'm more interested in this than Sonic Mania. There's some intrigue here about whether there will be a twist with Infinite or if he's really just a new character. I also want to see what Chaos is doing here. Sonic Mania just looks bland and narrative-free: I saw what New Super Mario Bros. did to Mario and I won't support it with Sonic.
Re: The Latest Pokémon Movie Is Ditching Two Of The Franchise's Most Famous Characters
I'm excited to to where this goes. The new girl's doofy expression makes me want to see what her personality will be. She looks more like a game model than an anime character. The only thing bugging me is Lucario: I've had my fill of that Pokemon and would have liked to see something else in the spotlight.
Re: First Impressions: Running Scared from Sonic Forces
@bitleman That budget led to great stories and a variety of fun gameplay modes, so naturally I enjoyed them.
Re: First Impressions: Running Scared from Sonic Forces
Well, the trailer did look completely incoherent. I wish the series would go back to the Sonic Adventure mold or the Sonic Advance series. Sonic Mania feels like such a regression with those ugly classic designs. Give them eye colors at least!
Re: Miyamoto Was Worried How Players Would React To Mario Odyssey's New Donk City
He takes issue with new characters, which is why this game introduces a marriage agency full of new characters. And a ghost thing that wears Mario's hat. Makes perfect sense. Is the backlash to your Paper Mario demands still fresh on your mind, Miyamoto?
I like New Donk City just fine and would like the location to be fleshed out like Isle Delfino was as the location of the full game. Also neat to see Pauline, though there were other characters I would have rather seen get the boost. (None of whom were created by Miyamoto, so it won't happen.)
What doesn't feel like Mario is the hat mechanic. I see Mario spin dash around like Sonic and possess enemies like Crash in Mind Over Mutant and I wonder who it is I'm playing. I'm just not feeling this game. I'm getting Superstar Saga this holiday season instead.
Re: Feature: The (Sadly Fictional) Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch Fighter Ballot - Results!
Wow, the Krystal hate is real on this sight. I didn't know she was so unpopular. I haven't seen so much bashing since Waluigi's introduction.
I'm happy to see Shantae make the list. She's an indie character who actually has a solid history of games. Also happy for K. Rool and Inkling. My biggest gripe is Sora: I like him just fine, but any appearance from Kingdom Hearts would feel empty to me without Donald and Goofy, who aren't allowed in Smash.
Re: Sega Forever Aims To Revive The Company's Past On Mobile, But Could Come To Switch
I'm off to try this out, though I picked up a Genesis emulator at a flea market, so it may not be valuable to me just yet. It'll be better on Switch.
Localize Sakura Wars 1-4 please! This is the perfect time!
Re: Random: Atari Is Working On Its First Home Console Since The Ill-Fated Jaguar
This news had made me look into Atari to see what their library is. I'm pleasantly surprised to see that Wayforward reimagined Centipede for the Wii and I'm now planning to get that.
Outside of that, I see Crystal Castles, Yar's Revenge, Swordquest, Cybermorph, Fight for Life, Club Drive, and River Raid as properties that could potentially be revamped for a new audience. Nostalgia would be niche, but it could work if the reinvention is exciting.
Re: Poll: What Did You Think of Nintendo at E3 2017?
Nintendo did just about everything that they could of done, and I'm happy about them. What the presentation needed was a demonstration of Sonic Forces, a look at Dragon Quest X & XI, and an indie sizzle reel. Basically everything Nintendo wasn't directly involved in.
Re: Poll: What Did You Think of Nintendo's Big Switch and 3DS Reveals at E3 on Day One?
I'm stoked to play the remastered Superstar Saga and the new Kirby. The new Yoshi looks a bit too standard, honestly. The only amiibo I must have is Tiki, though I hope the roster in Fire Emblem Heroes is much bigger than they're showing. Xenoblade 2 surprised me with how interested I was, while Super Mario Odyssey continues to turn me off with its hat gimmick. Mayor Pauline does have me intrigued, though. I just wish that I knew what the heck is even going on in Sonic Forces. Why are Chaos and Shadow evil again?
Overall, this was a strong list of games and I'm excited for the future.
Re: Gallery: Take a Look at the Huge World and Weird Fashion of Xenoblade Chronicles 2
This looks like a ton of fun.
Re: Koopa Troopa and Goomba amiibo Figures Are on the Way
I wanted E. Gadd and Prince Peasley, not generic enemies. It will save me money, at least.
Re: Gallery: Have a Close Look at the Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle Figurines
I'll have to go 3 inches if I go at all.
Re: Video: What We Think Could be Announced at E3, and What Definitely Won't
@Nintendo_Thumb You and me both.