The 3DS has arguably been the most impactful platform for the Fire Emblem series, playing host to a succession of three titles that all manage to take the series to new heights in their own ways. The last of these--Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia—was a remake of the second Fire Emblem game, but in several ways acted as a sort of pseudo sequel to the preceding Fire Emblem Fates. The developers of Echoes recently reflected more on this, along with many other aspects of developing the game for new audiences.
Nintendo Dream recently rounded up the game’s producers and directors for a bit of a post-mortem on the game, now that it’s been out for a few months. One of the more fascinating points made was how each Fire Emblem game for the 3DS utilized the aging technology more efficiently and ultimately allowed them to do more each time. Here’s what was said:
Yamagami: Basically, if you repeatedly make games for the same hardware, methodologies and technology progress and you are able to do things that you weren’t able to before. So, things we had to abandon for Awakening were able to make it into Fates. So, as technology advanced during Fates‘ development, there were things we wanted to implement but couldn’t fit by the time we got near the last stages of making the game. As such, it came down to “There’s still something we want to make.”
Kusakihara: Things like dungeons. You could walk around “My Castle” in Fates in full 3D, for instance, but it was very rough and difficult to implement at the time. Things like that eventually led to being able to walk around the dungeons in this game.
The full interview can be read here, and it’s certainly worth a look if you’re interested in learning how the team challenged itself creatively.
What do you think? Which Fire Emblem game is your favorite? How do you think the new Switch game could improve on the formula? Share your thoughts in the comments below.
[source kantopia.wordpress.com]
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Unpopular opinion but yeah, Fates is my favourite. I haven't been able to play this one though.
Wow, he basically confirmed a new Wars game for the Switch kind of sorta!
I actually got into Fire Emblem only recently when I decided to finally buy Awakening after years of deliberation. I fell in love with it instantly and got Echoes when it came out.
Echoes is really good, and one of the best games I've played on the 3DS. Even though it's a remake of an old game, it introduces so many things absent from Awakening that I'd like to see in the next iterations of the series; dungeon exploring being one of them.
I also bought Fates with the intention of playing it after I finish Echoes. I haven't gotten very far in it and at the moment don't really even feel like advancing in the game. I don't find the characters nor the story very interesting.
@Nego I usually recommend newcomers to start with Sacred Stones and even though you've already beat two games I still recommend it. The GBA fire emblems are classics and two or more of the characters will definitely stick with you.
I never played a FE game as they're mostly on handheld but I really like Awakening from the looks of It. I'd love an Awakening or Fates port to Switch. That would be golden!
Fates gets too much hate IMO. Yes, the main protagonist is lame (less with the female version, for some reason), yes the stories are cliched and predictable, yes a lot of the characters are boring or uninspired (looking at you, Cordelia and Tharja clones). But to be honest, the battle system was great and the character interactions made it nicer. On topic, I hope the next Echoes game will be a Blazing Blade or Genealogy/Tharica 776 remake. They remade Gaiden so good!
Awakening is still my favourite. They nailed the story and characters.
Fates is unfortunately almost unplayable in comparison. There's too many maps that are clearly too big and it can take 3 turns to walk and get within range of an enemy. Ridiculous!
@forumposter21 I'm not seeing any reference to advance wars... ? Is it in the full text link?
That's great, hopefully yet port it to the switch, I prefer traditional style fire emblem, Warriors does not interest me
Fanbase break notwithstanding, it is a really good time to be a FE fan.
This may come as a surprise, but I love Shadows of Valentia. Can't wait for more Fire Emblem on Switch!
Best Fire emblem = Radiant Dawn, hope Fire emblem builds upon Crimea and begnion
I got Echoes after being interested in the franchise for ages and not being sure which to buy first and I loved it so much that I ended up buying Fates and Awakening and loving those two.
Now im playing Path of Radiance and Ike is shaping up to be my favorito lord but Alm and Celica will always have a place in my heart as my first ahha.
Much like others, Awakening was my first FE game and I loved it, even though I struggled early on using the harder classic setting. But Fates...I just couldn't get into. For me I didn't like the home base and I missed the over-world map of Awakening. So I sold both copies of Fates.
Will get Echoes after clearing some of my 3DS backlog, and of course Metroid.
'So, things we had to abandon for Awakening were able to make it into Fates.'
Like feet?
I'm looking forward to playing Echoes, but I must wait as I'm all Fire Emblem'd out after forcing my way through all 3 versions of Fates. I stopped halfway through revelations too.
I'm a bit sick of these 'create your own avatar' characters on Fire Emblem. Robin and especially Corrin are just cringeworthy. I hope the developers realise that characters they properly develop will always be better than some rubbish avatar we create. I had the same issue with Xenoblade Chronicles X. I want a new Lyn or Eliwood or Hector or Ike or Marth or Caeda. Heck, I'd love it if Dorcas received a starring role!
No more mystical planes with magically growing up children. If you must have marriage and children in the game, set it over 2 generations like Genealogy of the Holy War. It's pretty epic.
And no weird baby dragons on giant marbles that I feed like a pet Guinae Pig for some unknown reason. How am I meant to get emotionally attached to that character and feel upset when they pop their clogs randomly? My Avatar was doing some cringeworthy crying whilst I was just laughing at how ridiculous this all is.
Right, my rant is over! So in summary, I'm glad Echoes is based on one of the old Fire Emblem games and not like Fates, and I can't wait to fire it up in the future.
Echoes is my favourite 3DS Fire Emblem, hands down, and one of my favourites in the whole franchise, behind only Binding Blade and Blazing Blade. It is, by a wide, WIDE margin, my current Game if the Year. The only other game that I think even stands a chance of challenging that is Super Mario Odyssey. I'm just hoping that Intelligent Systems takes elements of this one and uses them in Fire Emblem Switch. Just play Gaiden, bro.
Echoes is by far my favorite of the 3DS titles. I really love the dungeon exploration as I've always felt that Fire Emblem games could use a bit of that to break up the game a bit and make it not feel like battle after battle all the time. And of course, full voice acting that's actually really good.
The story I fates is terribad - but gameplay-wise, fates is easily my favourite one
@forumposter21 how so and where they said that?
@Hobbesyall
Agree completely. I've beaten every FE that's been released in the states and POR and RD are the best in the series still!
However, Echoes is my favorite handheld FE despite the fact axe wielding playable characters are omitted.
@Carlos1996 I would very much like to play the GBA games and even the GC/Wii games. The only problem is their availibility. I'm not sure if the GBA games are available on Virtual Console but if they aren't, I most likely won't be able to play them. The GC/Wii games sell for over €100 online so those aren't something that I'm going to be playing anytime soon either.
@Nego Well, you're in luck. I'm pretty sure Sacred Stones and "Fire Emblem" (Blazing Blade) are on both the Wii U and 3DS eShop.
Yet another reminder that I need to get going on Conquest and still pick up Echoes.
@Carlos1996: Agreed in regards to FE7. I loved all three lords and some of the other characters were memorable as well. I haven't played Sacred Stones yet, but I have both on the Wii U VC.
All in all, it's a good time to be a FE fan.
This is a very interesting interview! A lot of infos that I loved to know!
And the favorite FE is Blazing Sword (FE7) or Path to Radiance probably!
That said, aside Shadow Dragon I do enjoy or love every fire emblem so far.
@Carlos1996 I do agree that FE7 stick with you (it was the game that made move over poverty) but I hardly thint that FE8 is a good start. I don't like the monsters, I don't like Eirika or Ephraim (which the redeem quality is use a lance not a sword) and I think that the story is a worst gaiden.
That said some support characters are awesome and Seth still the best start knight.
It's weird to see how many people here prefer low-magic settings in a franchise where people sling darkness at one another. I've played Sacred Stones, Awakening, two of the Fates storylines, and Valentia. The supporting characters in these games are all more engaging than the protagonist, so I also raise an eyebrow at how boring people find Corrin. I didn't find him/her to be an outlier in that regard.
I'm hyped for the Switch game. I wonder what they left out of Valentia?
@Frank90 Yeah most the support characters are cool (back when they felt more solid as people instead optional waifus). I would like to know which one you would recommend for newcomers to play. FE7's long tutorial and story were kind of a bore for me and unless I'm mistaken I don't remember FE7 having an overworld you can move around it. I like recommending Sacred Stones since it's so accessible and I remember it being one of the easiest in the series (though I definitely haven't played all of them).
Echoes is the first truly good Fire Emblem in exactly 10 years; the last good one being Radiant Dawn.
The DS games were merely serviceable (12 being much better than 11 at least) and really just felt like stopgap games for some reason.
Awakening was pretty decent for its time....a time when the fate of the series was unknown with Nintendo threatening the fans with potentially axing the series and refusing to release 12 in the west. So seeing Awakening release over here was a miracle. Anyway, game is so incredibly flawed in so many ways, but at least it managed to resonate with people despite that.
Fates was just....poop.
Heroes was just an extension of the "Fire Emblem All Stars" thing they wanted to do with Awakening, but at the same time it's just get another gacha based mobile game just with an FE skin. It does at least get extra points for FINALLY GIVING ME AMELIA.
In my opinion Echoes surpasses the previous 3ds entries in almost every single way. The story is amazing, the soundtrack is godly, gameplay has not been overcomplicated and not to forget full voice acting! With voice actors that are actually decent.
Awakening and Fates are still very good games if you ask me. The characters are kinda odd but memberable. The conversations between units were always interesting to watch. Some characters in Echoes are almost... normal?
The first step to improving over Fates is making the decision you want to make a good game, and not a lazy cash grab primarily profiting off brand recognition and fan-service. Thankfully they made that choice, and i hope they keep making that choice.
Wait, Fire Emblem is a turn based SRPG. "walking around dungeons" is the LAST thing I want to be doing when I play it. add some challenge maps like the awakening dlc, maybe give the castle a tower defence mode. But adding a full on dungeon explorer mode is absurd, it would be better as a separate game
I thought fates killed FE for me, I'm sure glad that echoes wasn't turned into a waifu loving paradise.
My favourite? that would be radiant dawn. An unpopular choice I know.
It's quite good and had some interesting ideas that future games might benefit like the dungeons but eh even on hard mode without grinding it was on the easy side and I'd often be able to send 1 or 2 units against hordes of enemies. I had forgotten to recruit Palla and Catria on chapter 3 and I was able to get them up to speed during Celiica's final dungeon without grinding weak enemies. Recruiting characters who join just after the half way point much later just before the end and still being able to use them I'm hard mode. I'd much rather they build on Fates gameplay-wise.
I think there's a major disconnect between what all the different players actually want out of a Fire Emblem game.
Fates just doesn't grab me. And navigating the menu's is such a pain. Echoes on the other hand immediately grabbed me, and the menu's are a lot more user-friendly. I almost finished Echoes (I am now in the very last dungeon, the post-game one). It was a lovely game, and the voice-acting helped a lot!
Why all the hate for fates? I thought conquest had some amazing map design and truly difficult and rewarding gameplay. I only do no-grind runs though and I refused to do paralogues too.
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