I don't care too much about Splattoon, but great sequels are not about change, they're about evolution. I remember reading about the problems Nintendo had a long time ago branding Zelda 2 as sequel, since it changed way too many things. So, you see, too many changes can be a problem too.
For instance, the original Super Mario Bros had two sequels on the NES, the first sequel was (known to us as) The Lost levels. It was fun, just a harder version of the same game, and thus, quite unimpressive but still, a good sequel. The other sequel was Super Mario Bros 3 which was an evolution. They added an overworld, more powers, villains with personality, and it became a great sequel, because it evolved the original concept.
For the little things that have been shown, Splattoon 2 seems to fall in with The Lodt levels, which is something they usually do with those COD games. It's more of a repackaging of familiar gameplay with new content. And that's not necessarily a bad thing, after all, this is a game focused on multiplayer and this type of game usually expand instead of evolve. But, maybe in Splattoon 3 we will get a giant leap, as Mario 3 did back in the day. Who knows.
@MegaVel91 yeah, hopefully. This all seems to similar to the Wii U. Just slightly better.
I remember that all to well, since I got mine at launch. For Switch I will wait at least a year. Unless Nintendo blows my mind at E3, which I sincerely doubt.
Maybe the Switch will surpass the Wii U by a couple of millions in sales. But I don't see a big success here. There's zero hype outside of Nintendo-centric sites. And most people want the most powerful version of each game, that's why PC is king and it's followed by the most powerful console, the PS4.
Maybe power does not equal better, but the PS4 has amazing exclusives. It is slowly becoming a brilliant console. And Nintendo just offers the same old games. A remastered Mario Kart and a Super Mario game... Nintendo turned their back on gamers, with the exception of Breath of the Wild. I hope they learned from it.
Loving the Wii U version. I gotta say I am curious at how the gamepad would've been use if the game had stayed a Wii U exclusive.
I haven't read any reviews and I only watched the first trailer with link and the Guardian I love the pace, and the unfolding of the story. I recommend everyone plays this. 16 hours in and I think this might be the best one of all time
The biggest AAA games from third-party developers won't arrive on the switch in full form. Most of them are already working on 4k graphics for the mid-gen consoles and PC. I don't believe that Red Dead Redemption 2 could make it to the Switch in full form, even GTA V with its full online capabilities would be a long shot.
Last 2K NBA on the PS4 was a 32 gigs download on day one with updates adding up to it, so Switch players probably getting a nerfed version of that game, also.
The best the Switch can hope for is being a big sales hit, so that these developers will make unique games for it, and not just underpowered ports.
I love this site, but it is way too biased... The Switch is not convincing gamers, it really isn't.
I can do a version of what the Switch does with my android phone and a Chromecast. Or a tablet and a chromecast, and also the new apple tv is pulling in the same general direction. Admittedly, it is a poorer experience, but who is to say for how long. The software in the mobile industry isn't there yet, but still, the subtleties of superior video game design escape the casuals and the core gamers abandoned Nintendo since the Gamecube era, they just came back briefly for the Wii so they could play with their parents and grandparents and try to make them understand why they spend so much time in front of the TV, but their hearts were in the powerhouse consoles that sat besides those Wii consoles.
I don't know, the more I play with my PS4, the more I feel the breach that Nintendo opened between the consumers and themselves.
Many points here are flawed. Like the comparison to the N64, which launched more than 20 years ago, when the landscape was so different.
Also, the argument about having too many games at launch is invalid if you have a console that sells more than 5 million units on the first month like the PS4. Because then you can have up to 5 games selling a million copies on your first month. That's how you get third-party games on board.
@westman98 maybe, I don't. I'm an all-time early adopter of Nintendo consoles. Except for the Cube and de GBA because I was in college and poor, and still got them years later. I'm not getting at Switch until at least 2018, and only if it shows some kind of success... Which I doubt.
I asked two co-workers if they would like to buy a Switch at all. They didn't know what I was talking about.
Both of them play video games casually. One plays a lot of sports games, FPS and party games on his PS4, the other is a mobile puzzle gamer mostly and occasionally plays PS4 with his brother. Both around 30 years old.
I insist that excitement has thrown people off balance, this console is dead on arrival. The Wii U had a more exciting launch and we all know had that turned out.
I will predict less sales than the Wii U. All the same issues are popping: price concerns, hesitant third party support, underpowered versions of other console's games, low storage capacity.
It was hard being an early Wii U adopter, I won't make the same mistake again.
I get more and more convinced that Nintendo could eventually grow bigger as a videogame maker if they embraced becoming a Third party manufacturer.
They wouldn't need to abandon the hardware business. But they could start making collector oriented hardware like the NES Classic Mini.
But I cannot help but wonder at how much more amazing could a game like Breath of The Wild be if they released it on a PS4. The graphics could improve, the scope could be even bigger and it would rival the sales of the biggest brands out there.
Plus, the Nintendo hardware isn't offering anything new in terms of gameplay, the control scheme could be fitted perfectly in any other console.
I like the idea of playing old NES and SNES titles with online multiplayer. As long as they do it for the cool ones. Like those old beat-em ups, like Double Dragon, Final Fight and Battletoads.
I'm watching the response and it is a bit a of a Wii U Deja Vu.
E3 is closing in on the horizon. If they show a better lineup there, I'll bite.
Played all Nintendo Consoles, own all of them still. Got a Wii U at launch, and I didn't like any new and exclusive Switch game they showed. Super Mario Odyssey being a particular low point in my opinion.
@Tendogamerxxx dude, I've owned every Nintendo console to date. I got my Wii U at launch. This is deja vu. In fact, the launch lineup is worse than the Wii U lineup.
That Mario game looks 2 gens old, it would look better on a ps3.
I feel sad for the big N. At least I can play Zelda on my Wii U. It is the only silver lining in this debacle.
Sharing the love. I am not migrating to the Switch at launch. I got more games than I could finish on my Wii U. Huge backlog of great games. Some of my favorites are:
NSMB 2, DKC TF, Wind Waker HD, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Affordable Space Adventures, Nintendoland, Mario Kart 8, Smash, Captain Toad, Hyrule Warriors.
Also enjoyed those early third-party games like Zombie U, Batman Arkham City Armored Edition, Ninja Gaiden 3, Assassin's Creed IV.
The ones I didn't like as much as i would've liked to were Super Mario 3D World, Star Fox Zero, Twilight Princess HD, ZombiU, the Wonderful 101, Sonic Lost World, and Splattoon (sorry, just didn't like it)
The ones I'm looking forward to playing Pikmin 3, Bayonetta 2, Paper Mario.
And some other indie games I loved include Shovel Knight, Guacamelee, Freedom Planet, Steamworld Dig, UnEpic, Axiom Verge, The Fall, Shantae.
I'm leaving stuff out, too. In hindsight, this was truly a great and varied console. And I think I won't abandon it until the end of the year when I might consider grabbing the Switch with an HD Metroid Bundle.
I am both pessimistic and cautiously optimistic. I am one of the heathens that wants Nintendo to go third party, so if the Switch fails, maybe I'll get my wish.
@KirbyTheVampire Mostly friends that play online games on PS4, none of them are thinking of getting a Switch, they just don't care about Nintendo games anymore and would consider buying them only if they came on their current platform.
The only people I know who want it are current Wii U owners.
BTW, this is just a poorly informed opinion, and I'm aware of that, we still need to see the January presentation. Still, I'm not very optimistic about it.
Surprised to be in the minority that is getting it for the Wii U. But that was what I was promised and that is what I want Zelda U as it was called back in the day.
It seems like this game is going to be better on the Switch and I don't like that, because I'm not buying a Switch as I am sure that it will fail just like the Wii U did, and I am not going to keep giving Nintendo my money for poorly supported gimmicky consoles.
I know this sounds awful, and this is a site for Big N fans, and I am, I've owned every Nintendo console except the Gamecube and the GBA (because I was in college and low on free time and cash). So this just just makes me feel betrayed.
I got all of those consoles mainly to play Zelda. I've played all Zelda games, and own original and VC versions for MOST of them. And now, instead of the promised exclusive-Wii U-Zelda-that-features-amazing-use-of-the-Gamepad I'm getting the nerfed-Wii U-Zelda-that-we-actually-want-you-to-buy-on-our-new-console.
At this point I champion the idea that Nintendo should release this game on PS4 and X Box One and just go third party for the sake of our wallets and their own as a company. I know it's not going to happen, but I'd prefer that.
I have been doing an informal survey with friends who play online with me on PS4. Most of them made the jump to Sony consoles since the PS2 era, and none of them expressed any interest in the Switch. It was a small sample, but it was unanimous, I mean, something like 15 people, they all said they won't buy the Switch, and the same 15 people said they would buy this game blindfolded on their PS4. We are talking about a user base of around 50 million people just on PS4, it could sell many times more copies than it will on both Nintendo platforms combined.
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Re: The Fall Part 2: Unbound is Confirmed for Nintendo Switch But Isn't Coming to Wii U
It was a fun game. I will get the sequel on PS4.
Re: Poll: A Month of Nintendo Switch - Do You Think It's Heading for Success?
So far it is the same story that we all know from the Wii U. I am on the pessimistic side on this one. Won't buy for at least a year.
Re: Talking Point: Defining a Sequel and How It Affects Games Like Splatoon 2
I don't care too much about Splattoon, but great sequels are not about change, they're about evolution. I remember reading about the problems Nintendo had a long time ago branding Zelda 2 as sequel, since it changed way too many things. So, you see, too many changes can be a problem too.
For instance, the original Super Mario Bros had two sequels on the NES, the first sequel was (known to us as) The Lost levels. It was fun, just a harder version of the same game, and thus, quite unimpressive but still, a good sequel. The other sequel was Super Mario Bros 3 which was an evolution. They added an overworld, more powers, villains with personality, and it became a great sequel, because it evolved the original concept.
For the little things that have been shown, Splattoon 2 seems to fall in with The Lodt levels, which is something they usually do with those COD games. It's more of a repackaging of familiar gameplay with new content. And that's not necessarily a bad thing, after all, this is a game focused on multiplayer and this type of game usually expand instead of evolve. But, maybe in Splattoon 3 we will get a giant leap, as Mario 3 did back in the day. Who knows.
Re: ARMS Listed For June 23rd Release On Amazon Spain
This game looks so boring.
Re: Developer Survey Reveals Worrying Lack Of Interest In Nintendo Switch
@MegaVel91 yeah, hopefully. This all seems to similar to the Wii U. Just slightly better.
I remember that all to well, since I got mine at launch. For Switch I will wait at least a year. Unless Nintendo blows my mind at E3, which I sincerely doubt.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo's Upgraded Confidence in Switch is a Relief
I don't like this situation in which all the success of the system seems to be dependent on a Pokemon game. I really don't care about Pokemon.
I'll wait at least a year before I consider buying a Switch
Re: Developer Survey Reveals Worrying Lack Of Interest In Nintendo Switch
Maybe the Switch will surpass the Wii U by a couple of millions in sales. But I don't see a big success here. There's zero hype outside of Nintendo-centric sites. And most people want the most powerful version of each game, that's why PC is king and it's followed by the most powerful console, the PS4.
Maybe power does not equal better, but the PS4 has amazing exclusives. It is slowly becoming a brilliant console. And Nintendo just offers the same old games. A remastered Mario Kart and a Super Mario game... Nintendo turned their back on gamers, with the exception of Breath of the Wild. I hope they learned from it.
Re: Zelda: Breath of the Wild Makes UK Debut in Second, Three Top 10 Switch Titles in Total
I chose to spend on Zelda for Wii U. I'll grt Horizon Zero Dawn later, maybe for the E3 discounts.
That game looks awesome too.
Re: Nintendo Switch Was the Company's Biggest Selling European Hardware Launch, Ever
I hope this keeps up, but I'm still not convinced. This type of news came with the Wii U as well.
I'm still not buying.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry Tackles Zelda: Breath of the Wild on Nintendo Switch vs. Wii U
This game would've looked gorgeous on PS4. Nintendo, please become third-party. Your consoles are lacking.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry Tackles Zelda: Breath of the Wild on Nintendo Switch vs. Wii U
Loving the Wii U version. I gotta say I am curious at how the gamepad would've been use if the game had stayed a Wii U exclusive.
I haven't read any reviews and I only watched the first trailer with link and the Guardian I love the pace, and the unfolding of the story. I recommend everyone plays this. 16 hours in and I think this might be the best one of all time
Re: Random: Infamous British Tabloid Takes 1-2-Switch a Bit Too Seriously
It is sad, because if people masturbated more, by themselves or with a helping hand, the world would be a better place.
Re: Eiji Aonuma Lists His Top Three Favorite Zelda Games
1. A Link to the Past
2. A Link Between Worlds
3. Majora's Mask
Re: Video: Ultra Street Fighter II's First Person Mode Looks Like A Throwback To Wonky Motion Controls
Just another step towards the Switch's failure.
Re: Eiji Aonuma Wants an 'Evolved 2D Style' From His Legend of Zelda Handheld Dev Team
That'll be the game that makes me buy a Switch. I am a hardcore ALttP fan, it is my favorite game of all-time.
Re: Video: Nintendo Comes Out Swinging With New ARMS Footage
Shovelware: The Game.
Re: Take-Two Executive Reiterates Plans for Long Term Support of Switch
The biggest AAA games from third-party developers won't arrive on the switch in full form. Most of them are already working on 4k graphics for the mid-gen consoles and PC. I don't believe that Red Dead Redemption 2 could make it to the Switch in full form, even GTA V with its full online capabilities would be a long shot.
Last 2K NBA on the PS4 was a 32 gigs download on day one with updates adding up to it, so Switch players probably getting a nerfed version of that game, also.
The best the Switch can hope for is being a big sales hit, so that these developers will make unique games for it, and not just underpowered ports.
Re: Talking Point: The Nintendo Switch Super Bowl Ad Was a Huge Success, But Why?
I love this site, but it is way too biased... The Switch is not convincing gamers, it really isn't.
I can do a version of what the Switch does with my android phone and a Chromecast. Or a tablet and a chromecast, and also the new apple tv is pulling in the same general direction. Admittedly, it is a poorer experience, but who is to say for how long. The software in the mobile industry isn't there yet, but still, the subtleties of superior video game design escape the casuals and the core gamers abandoned Nintendo since the Gamecube era, they just came back briefly for the Wii so they could play with their parents and grandparents and try to make them understand why they spend so much time in front of the TV, but their hearts were in the powerhouse consoles that sat besides those Wii consoles.
I don't know, the more I play with my PS4, the more I feel the breach that Nintendo opened between the consumers and themselves.
Re: Editorial: No, Nintendo Switch Isn't Having a 'Soft Launch', But The Perception is a Problem
Many points here are flawed. Like the comparison to the N64, which launched more than 20 years ago, when the landscape was so different.
Also, the argument about having too many games at launch is invalid if you have a console that sells more than 5 million units on the first month like the PS4. Because then you can have up to 5 games selling a million copies on your first month. That's how you get third-party games on board.
Re: Editorial: No, Nintendo Switch Isn't Having a 'Soft Launch', But The Perception is a Problem
@westman98 maybe, I don't. I'm an all-time early adopter of Nintendo consoles. Except for the Cube and de GBA because I was in college and poor, and still got them years later. I'm not getting at Switch until at least 2018, and only if it shows some kind of success... Which I doubt.
Re: Editorial: No, Nintendo Switch Isn't Having a 'Soft Launch', But The Perception is a Problem
I asked two co-workers if they would like to buy a Switch at all. They didn't know what I was talking about.
Both of them play video games casually. One plays a lot of sports games, FPS and party games on his PS4, the other is a mobile puzzle gamer mostly and occasionally plays PS4 with his brother. Both around 30 years old.
I insist that excitement has thrown people off balance, this console is dead on arrival. The Wii U had a more exciting launch and we all know had that turned out.
Re: Soapbox: Think of 1-2-Switch as Less of a "Video Game" and Suddenly It Gets Better
I wouldn't buy it for 10 bucks. Because there are better Indies at that price.
Re: Nintendo's Share Value Takes a Hit Following Financial Results
I think we should all be pulling Nintendo out of the hardware business. It's just not worth it anymore.
Re: Tatsumi Kimishima Expects Nintendo Switch To Sell "About As Well" As The Wii
I will predict less sales than the Wii U. All the same issues are popping: price concerns, hesitant third party support, underpowered versions of other console's games, low storage capacity.
It was hard being an early Wii U adopter, I won't make the same mistake again.
Re: Yooka-Laylee Formally Confirmed for Switch Along With Wii U Backer Options
I'm getting it for PS4.
Re: Special Discounts for The Legend of Zelda Series Coming to the eShop in Europe
The only one I don't own already is Tri-Force Heroes, and I don't think I would like that game at all.
Re: Soapbox: It's Nintendo's Job To Make Switch A Success, Not EA's, Ubisoft's Or Capcom's
I get more and more convinced that Nintendo could eventually grow bigger as a videogame maker if they embraced becoming a Third party manufacturer.
They wouldn't need to abandon the hardware business. But they could start making collector oriented hardware like the NES Classic Mini.
But I cannot help but wonder at how much more amazing could a game like Breath of The Wild be if they released it on a PS4. The graphics could improve, the scope could be even bigger and it would rival the sales of the biggest brands out there.
Plus, the Nintendo hardware isn't offering anything new in terms of gameplay, the control scheme could be fitted perfectly in any other console.
Re: Fire Emblem Heroes Revealed for Mobile, Arrives on 2nd February
I'll give it the old college try. I still haven't played Fates, as I chose to spend my money on my PS4 for the most psrt of last year.
Re: First Impressions: Revisiting Hyrule in Breath of the Wild on Nintendo Switch
Have Nintendo said anything about the Wii U version having a special edition?
I feel a bit annoyed about the Wii U being left out of the oficial conversation.
Re: Talking Point: Considering the Paid Online Service for the Nintendo Switch
I like the idea of playing old NES and SNES titles with online multiplayer. As long as they do it for the cool ones. Like those old beat-em ups, like Double Dragon, Final Fight and Battletoads.
Re: New PlayStation Releases Push Evergreen 3DS Titles Down Charts in Japan
GTA V is so amazing. It keeps on selling. The multiplayer is off the wall on that one.
Re: Hands On: Putting the Nintendo Switch Hardware Through Its Paces
@Syrek24 I have to say I hope you are right.
I'm watching the response and it is a bit a of a Wii U Deja Vu.
E3 is closing in on the horizon. If they show a better lineup there, I'll bite.
Played all Nintendo Consoles, own all of them still. Got a Wii U at launch, and I didn't like any new and exclusive Switch game they showed. Super Mario Odyssey being a particular low point in my opinion.
Re: Zelda and Bokoblin Added to Breath of the Wild amiibo Range
I love the new look on Zelda.
Re: Hands On: Putting the Nintendo Switch Hardware Through Its Paces
I believe this console will fail.
Re: Poll: What Did You Think of the Nintendo Switch Presentation?
@Tendogamerxxx dude, I've owned every Nintendo console to date. I got my Wii U at launch. This is deja vu. In fact, the launch lineup is worse than the Wii U lineup.
That Mario game looks 2 gens old, it would look better on a ps3.
I feel sad for the big N. At least I can play Zelda on my Wii U. It is the only silver lining in this debacle.
Re: Poll: What Did You Think of the Nintendo Switch Presentation?
I think this presentation showed that Nintendo is out of touch with modern gaming. I truly believe that the Switch will perform worse than the Wii U.
It feels so rushed as a console. With an awful launch lineup.
Re: Super Mario Odyssey Will Be Trotting Globes On Switch This Holiday Season
Why does it look worse than 3D World? This game looks ugly AF. Oh boy is this console failing hard.
This would look so great on a PS4. Nintendo, please, drop the hardware it is not your thing anymore!!!
Re: Nintendo Switch Has 32GB Internal Memory, Expandable With Micro SD Cards
Oh my god! What is Nintendo thinking? This console keeps getting worse by the minute.
Re: Nintendo Switch Release Date And Retail Price Confirmed, Region Locking Is Out
Oh my god this console is the end for Nintendo's hardware efforts. I can't believe I was right... I'm sad.
Re: Nintendo Introduces ARMS, a New Boxing IP
This is the game that lost the gamers fir Nintendo. Shovelware on day 1.
Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 2 Is Currently in Development
This looks horrible.
Re: Soapbox: Why I Still Love the Wii U
Sharing the love. I am not migrating to the Switch at launch. I got more games than I could finish on my Wii U. Huge backlog of great games. Some of my favorites are:
NSMB 2, DKC TF, Wind Waker HD, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Affordable Space Adventures, Nintendoland, Mario Kart 8, Smash, Captain Toad, Hyrule Warriors.
Also enjoyed those early third-party games like Zombie U, Batman Arkham City Armored Edition, Ninja Gaiden 3, Assassin's Creed IV.
The ones I didn't like as much as i would've liked to were Super Mario 3D World, Star Fox Zero, Twilight Princess HD, ZombiU, the Wonderful 101, Sonic Lost World, and Splattoon (sorry, just didn't like it)
The ones I'm looking forward to playing Pikmin 3, Bayonetta 2, Paper Mario.
And some other indie games I loved include Shovel Knight, Guacamelee, Freedom Planet, Steamworld Dig, UnEpic, Axiom Verge, The Fall, Shantae.
I'm leaving stuff out, too. In hindsight, this was truly a great and varied console. And I think I won't abandon it until the end of the year when I might consider grabbing the Switch with an HD Metroid Bundle.
Re: Talking Point: The Challenges and Opportunities of the Nintendo Switch Presentation
I just want to see Samus Aran in full HD kicking ass, and taking names. That's the only thing that could convince me of buying a Switch.
Re: Poll: The Wii U is Four Years Old, But What Is Its Legacy?
I am both pessimistic and cautiously optimistic. I am one of the heathens that wants Nintendo to go third party, so if the Switch fails, maybe I'll get my wish.
Re: Nintendo Download: 22nd December (North America)
I got Shantae on PS4. I see no point in getting the Wii U version of anything.
Re: Talking Point: The Nintendo Switch Pitch - A Jack of All Trades
If this was a bet, I would be betting against the Switch. I just hope my dream of playing Zelda on my PS4 could come true sooner.
Re: Rumour: Dark Souls 3 and Trilogy Possible on Nintendo Switch, If System Sales Are Solid
@KirbyTheVampire Mostly friends that play online games on PS4, none of them are thinking of getting a Switch, they just don't care about Nintendo games anymore and would consider buying them only if they came on their current platform.
The only people I know who want it are current Wii U owners.
BTW, this is just a poorly informed opinion, and I'm aware of that, we still need to see the January presentation. Still, I'm not very optimistic about it.
Re: Rumour: Dark Souls 3 and Trilogy Possible on Nintendo Switch, If System Sales Are Solid
I believe the Switch will fail. We Nintendo fans need to start pushing Nintendo to become a software company.
Zelda would run beautifully on my PS4.
Re: Poll: The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - Share Your Thoughts on the Latest Footage
Surprised to be in the minority that is getting it for the Wii U. But that was what I was promised and that is what I want Zelda U as it was called back in the day.
Re: Video: Nintendo Shows Off New Area in The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
It seems like this game is going to be better on the Switch and I don't like that, because I'm not buying a Switch as I am sure that it will fail just like the Wii U did, and I am not going to keep giving Nintendo my money for poorly supported gimmicky consoles.
I know this sounds awful, and this is a site for Big N fans, and I am, I've owned every Nintendo console except the Gamecube and the GBA (because I was in college and low on free time and cash). So this just just makes me feel betrayed.
I got all of those consoles mainly to play Zelda. I've played all Zelda games, and own original and VC versions for MOST of them. And now, instead of the promised exclusive-Wii U-Zelda-that-features-amazing-use-of-the-Gamepad I'm getting the nerfed-Wii U-Zelda-that-we-actually-want-you-to-buy-on-our-new-console.
At this point I champion the idea that Nintendo should release this game on PS4 and X Box One and just go third party for the sake of our wallets and their own as a company. I know it's not going to happen, but I'd prefer that.
I have been doing an informal survey with friends who play online with me on PS4. Most of them made the jump to Sony consoles since the PS2 era, and none of them expressed any interest in the Switch. It was a small sample, but it was unanimous, I mean, something like 15 people, they all said they won't buy the Switch, and the same 15 people said they would buy this game blindfolded on their PS4. We are talking about a user base of around 50 million people just on PS4, it could sell many times more copies than it will on both Nintendo platforms combined.