The Game Awards are done for another year, once again doing a solid job of showing and teasing major games, while throwing in some some unpredictable moments. For example in one performance rap duo Run the Jewels seemed to utter the line "I will punch a baby bear", which is a novel way to get some free press from a PETA outrage. Aside from that there were tears, a brilliantly bemused Ubisoft executive asking the backstage host why she was "yelling" and more besides - to be fair to the host in the Ubisoft 'red room', her response of "I'm paid to be enthusiastic" was a brilliant comeback.
From a Nintendo perspective there were two key moments, both related to The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild. First of all there was a new trailer during the pre-show - check it out below if you need a reminder.
Then, later in the show Reggie Fils-Aime introduced a longer video in which we got an extended look at a new area; it was the Wii U version being played, no Switch in sight.
Now that some hours have passed and everyone's had a chance to catch up, we're curious to know what you think of the new footage. It was a big night for Breath of the Wild - it also won the Most Anticipated Game gong - and it was a chance for Nintendo to stake a claim for the hottest prospective release of 2017. Did the big N succeed in building the hype?
Let us know your thoughts in the polls and comments below, and by all means also share your theories on what we saw. Was that Zelda at the end, who was the character in a blue outfit with long blond hair, what other story clues can be found? Have at it!
Yahy, first votes for me!
Looks pretty good overall, but I'd almost say there is too much green. Feel like Nintendo made his outfit blue just to stand out from the forest.
I can't wait for this game. The Switch version will be awesome just for the portability factor.
Really wish Nintendo would've locked in a date but I guess that's asking too much.
I think we can say with 100% certainty, that's exactly what happened.
Majorly hyped for this game. Switch version for me. I might get the Wii U version too one day, but not at launch I don't think.
I didn't watch the Treehouse thing, just the trailer.
I was expecting a bit more but I'm still hyped for the game; I expect more info to come out during the Nintendo Switch presentation next month.
I'll probably get the Wii U version since it will be that system's swan song.
I should not be this thirsty for a game.
Switch version 100%. Part of me hopes the June rumours are true. Means, I can save money between getting the console, and hopefully they'll announce a super cool collector's edition as well. Instant pre-order when that happens.
Underwhelmed. Saying that, come launch I'll no doubt be first in line and am near enough guaranteed to be overjoyed with finished retail version, like 99.9% of past Zelda's both home console and handheld.
I pre--ordered it during E3 for Wii U, that could change, it all depends....
Switch version for sure. Cant wait
Everyone is getting the switch version even though we haven't seen the switch version 🤔
The trailer was too short but was nice to see more of the world and its characters. The treehouse video was ok but just when the action was going to start, they cut it. And I dunno if is just temporary but way too much fog on the game and the framerate was terrible.
I think I'll get the Wii U version becuase that's the console I have. I don't buy consoles until a year later so the same with Switch.
I'm getting both probably
It used to be Wii U version for me but after seeing the frame rate in the gameplay video I am getting it for the Switch, I doubt the game won't improve its performance in the Switch version
The 13% of people voting "It's a bit disappointing, actually" on the third question should either have their eyes or their minds checked.
But seriously: the trailer was gorgeous, but the gameplay session kinda fell through because of the still present frame rate drops. However, all in all I personally thought that it still looked like a slight improvement in graphics over the original gameplay footage, so even those going for the Wii U version needn't worry about this being something underwhelming.
If anything, this is going to be the most epic game that the Wii U will ever have, bar none. And not just because it'll probably be the final Wii U title as well, but it will sure as heck go out with a BIG bang.
I am not hyped about this game at all.
not after Aonuma and co decided to laugh at the idea of a female protagonist in a Zelda game.
because heaven forbid right.
(and yeah yeah yeah I know you all want Link to be male. spare me any indignant replies, I assure you that your words mean nothing. you got your precious male hero. congratufreakinglations.)
Opinion? They still haven't really shown anything substantial.
I try not to look too much at footage of the game. I know that I will buy it anyway.
@ThanosReXXX I'm one of them and I'm going to be disappoited at least until i see a proprer dungeon.And even if like the dungeons this is still going to be my least favorite 3D Zelda since i have to waste time hunting/cooking instead of finding hearts and Link has a smartphone.
I like that they've shown so much but so little. The less we know the more magical it will be I think
@ThanosReXXX I voted that because of framerate, deal with it, and no real dungeon showned
@CharlieSmile please have a Snickers.
I'm burnt out on footage of this game. I just want to play it.
@Randomname19 Haven't you seen any of the extended shrine gameplay then? Some of them were considerable in size and there was quite a bit of variation in there as well.
And normally, it wouldn't be too good to reveal too much before the game is even out, that would be too big of a spoiler.
@hieveryone Judging a game solely on a tech factor instead of on what really matters, like story, characters and scope is more your problem than mine. Deal with THAT.
And the question wasn't: "did you think that it was technically solid".
Besides, I was only pulling people's legs, hence the smiley and the subsequent "But seriously"...
@NickOfTime90 Better? Better...
I don't know which version I will get. I want to experience the best version, but I might not get a Switch in 2017 if it doesn't have games.
@CharlieSmile I mean. The main character is a male? I don't see why suddenly changing that really means anything. I can't think of another series that /does/ allow for something like gender swapping the main character outside of Saints Row or Fable, the latter of which maybe makes /too/ much fun of the sitaution. Lots of games let you choose an avatar of your own creation to fill the world, sure, but with Link you're kind of playing a defined character. I get that it's always a different living entity sure, but. To just assume it needs to be a woman for once, for literally no other reason than 'just 'cause"? I don't know.
I think the Zelda franchise has actually done some of the best portrayals of females in Japanese video games. She's not a sex icon, she's incredibly powerful, she's always kicking just as much ass as link. She's just... not playable. Because the story, as of late, has been just as much her fight against evil as yours.
I get that playing a female protagonist is important to you. I often wish I could do lots of things I can't in video games, like go on a date with Bowser, cuddle with Papyrus, or have a wrestling match with Chris Redfield. But that's just not really in the cards.
And the hostile tone is really unnecessary, especially saying that you don't care about other people's opinions, but you state yours here practically demanding that everybody care about yours with your tone. It's very uncool.
@CharlieSmile You're absolutely disinterested in this game because the protagonist is male, just like every Link has for the past 30 years?
Is there a "what was that? The frame rate is too low to answer!" Option on the treehouse question?
I need this game as soon as possible!
Treehouse was bad. Next time they should show more game itself and less face of people playing it. Also there was pretty bad framerate drop in game.
Haven't watched it and am avoiding most news / videos / spoilers.
Did the same with Pokemon and am glad I did.
Just wait for my trailer! It shows me controlling the awesome airship! It's called the T.A.S Tingle terror!
I'm quite happy with what they showed, as I don't want to have too much spoiled this far ahead of release.
They gave us a quick glimpse of other areas, especially settlements... not too much detail shown, but there is tons we can be looking at in detail to start speculating on... especially those bird-people... many will assume they're Rito, but they lack any of the traits the Rito inherited from the Zora, suggesting they're a different species.
I was hoping for the rumoured demo, but now that I think about it, that probably would have caused people to stop watching the awards, so wouldn't have been the best idea... hopefully we'll get it by Christmas though.
My decision does not affect you.
@CharlieSmile Changing sex of a character is a very significant move. It's almost like making it into a different genre. I'm not against it per se, but the creators might not have that story in them to tell. Just taking the name zelda and mixing up random things to please a crowd is not a good move. It needs to flow from the heart of the creator, or it's going to feel superficial. Better to create a new game about something new then.
Yh I loved the trailer, I see no reason to get it on Wii U, on the switch I can play it anywhere! My Wii U gamepad doesn't even reach far outside the room I have the Wii U in!
Surprised to be in the minority that is getting it for the Wii U. But that was what I was promised and that is what I want Zelda U as it was called back in the day.
@Minotaurgamer I think the fog may have been part of the environment in that area. Not entirely sure though.
@ThanosReXXX Sorry but I don't want to play a good open world action adventure rpg game with constant frame rate drops
@Mortenb So you'd rather YOUR crowd be pleased. Got it.
@CharlieSmile But why does it affect you?
BTW, you need to put three forwards slashes in the shrug to make it work correctly. 🤷¯\(ツ)/¯
It's definitely left me hungry for more information. The first trailer was brilliant. The second trailer didn't show a whole lot. I'll be buying both versions.
that trailer just moved me from "oh interesting" to "oh man I'm actually excited for zelda again!" haven't played one since windwaker (and didn't love it. 7.8 too much water .
@CharlieSmile I assume you would like to see a female version of Nathan Drake, Mario, Kratos, Master Chief, Donkey Kong, ect. as well? I'm not saying it's a bad idea but it just doesn't make sense to change the gender of an iconic character that already has an extensive world built around it other than to confuse and anger parts of the fan base.
@7yL3r8 Plus I'm pretty sure Linkle is non canon
@CharlieSmile If such a superficial thing as the gender of the main character has such a large impact on your excitement for the game, I have a feeling you wouldn't like it no matter what, seeing as you clearly aren't interested in actually important things like the gameplay. If this is some feminist extremist thing you've got going on, give it a rest.
@CharlieSmile That is rather dismissive of his point. Zelda the franchise is built on the foundation of classic medieval fables of a brave knight, a powerful evil and a maiden in distress/a wise ruler in need of aid. The franchise is also built on that principle it is its thematic core. That and the creators have 35 years of lore they have built around this trifecta.
If they do not want to do it, we have no right to tell them they are wrong for not wanting to shake the established origin lore they cemented just two main entries ago (Skyward Sword). That and Zelda has never lacked female representation or strong female characters. They just do not want to flip Link's gender unless they have a narrative reason to do it.
@CharlieSmile We're all ears to hear why this matters to you in particular.
@CharlieSmile I tried to explain as well as I could my position. I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by your reply. I would rather the creators make the story they have in their heart. If that is about a female character, great. I don't want to dictate such things, because then it will probably be misplaced and take away from the game.
While the trailer and footage were great, they also raised questions about Nintendo's treatment of the Wii U version so overall I'm in the "Hmm, I'm not sure" category for BotW hype. To me, the winner of TGA in terms of reveals was for sure Halo Wars 2 though BotW was a solid 2nd.
Didn't watch it. i'm not watching more trailers from this game. I've seen like 4 hours of it already just from E3.
Y'all talking about a different gender Link.
I'm talking about a female protagonist in general.
Breath of the Wild is very interesting to me, but I haven't exactly been a fan of previous LoZ entries. I'm staying optimistic and I'll probably pick it up for the Switch.
@CharlieSmile I completely agree. I desperately want a female link, however it has been incredibly disheartening to see the abundance of hate for such a reasonable idea.
While Linkle was a step in the right direction, I lost interest quickly due to the silly name (just name her link, dammit!).
Here's hoping to that female character in the trailer being a female link.
There really are no words to describe how hyped I am, I've been rewatching both videos a lot today. The release date can't come soon enough! That's the thing about Nintendo games, I love my other consoles too, but only Nintendo games can get me this hyped
@CharlieSmile Well in the narrative that tends to be Zelda or a companion character. Zelda does take the thematic position of the Maiden/Ruler in medieval fables. She just is not playable, so then I must ask why does it matter when Link is aided by women and men alike throughout his journey. Heck, the gods of this world are female goddesses (who Link has also received divine assistance from in the past).
@Mortenb "stand aside, do nothing." cool.
@Ethan_Bricknell THANK YOU
@CharlieSmile So you don't just want a female Link, but you want them to change the whole character so that it's not Link anymore, despite Link being the main character since the beginning of the Zelda series? Do you have any real reasoning behind this? What's wrong with Link, exactly? And why does it have to be female at all costs?
I have a Wii U and not a NX, so I'll be getting the Wii U version.
Switch version all the way! I'll see about the Wii U. Very good stuff!
@CharlieSmile He never laughed at the idea, it was mostly fans who were talking about it so much that it became a thing. He actually said at E3 that they thought about it, but then realized that by having a female link, they might as well just use Zelda as the protagonist, which in my opinion would make it a different game, just the same as having a Mario game where the protagonist is Luigi.
I like the idea of a female protagonist in a Zelda game, but only if done right. For example, in Wind Waker it would have been awesome if you could choose to be the girl and then the boy is the one kidnapped. But I'd hate for the gender option to be added just because.
@CharlieSmile If you can't handle this discussion why even post your opinion in the first place? I have lost count of the times you are saying you're not gonna buy this game because the lack of a female hero, but when you are asked a solid argument you act like it's none of our business. Please don't "think" out loud if you can't handle a little discussion.
@ThanosReXXX The trailer was fine, but the Treehouse play through didn't look good. Not sure why the difference but the colors were washed out very badly and the game just didn't look good. I am hoping the Switch version looks better though.
I saw Zelda; she's pretty
@NickOfTime90 While I don't agree with @CharlieSmile 's opinion on the need of a female option in a Zelda game, I think the tone of responses like yours is precisely what she's mostly complaining about, and honestly It's quite uncalled for IMO.
@CharlieSmile I'm sorry I didn't see your side of things. I think you are being a tad agressive in how you phrase yourself towards those who think differently. I don't want to continue conversing in this style. Also, sorry if I'm misinterpreting you.
Lol seriously? 58% would buy the Switch version? Why would anyone buy a version that's lacking key features? On a system with inferior hardware?
About the so-called "new" footage: I found it underwhelming. It doesn't show us anything new, nothing that we didn't already know about.
Recently, more and more, I'm getting the feeling that Nintendo only are trying to fool us. This footage doesn't show any new features or other things that we didn't know about. It doesn't show us the rest of the map either. It's basically nothing more than hot air.
I preordered it at 30% off at E3 2015, so I'm pretty sure I'm getting the wii U version. Anyway, if my experience with twilight princess is any indication, the wii U version will be superior as it was designed with that console in mind.
@nab1 Look, i'm all for normal conversation. Just saying commenting is a 2 way street.
Really stylish trailer! Short and sweet, shows just enough to get you interested and excited, is focused and shows stuff we've not seen before, leaves a lot of questions to be answered and most importantly doesn't spoil it too much!
The gameplay was cool, the presentation itself was okay. The main problem was that the framerate issues didn't leave a too flattering impression.
But the gameplay and content in the playthrough gave just enough ideas as what to expect from the game! Actual gameplay mechanics and the flow of the game was showcased clearly.
Hopefully the Switch version won't have any performance issues. Please don't be delayed too much beyond March either...
@8bitforever I have to agree, but that was also my initial reaction: the trailer looked smoother and in the gameplay session, there were some frame rate dips. Nothing serious, mind you. Which is also why I don't understand people hating on it for that. It still looks perfectly playable.
I did run the highest versions of both videos through MediaInfo, simply because I wanted to get the numbers, but it didn't make it any clearer why there's such a difference other than my suspicion that the trailer footage was post-processed/polished and the gameplay footage was taped AS IS.
The numbers are as follows, and the kicker is in the frame rate AND the bit rate:
frame rate - 29.970fps
bit rate - 3.533 kb/s
frame rate - 59.940fps
bit rate - 4.427 kb/s
So, the verdict should be that the gameplay footage is better. The overall quality is better based on the numbers, but the visual impression is certainly in favor of the trailer. Goes to show that higher frame rate really isn't all that superior all of the time...
Lol i think someone needs a tissue and a shoulder to cry really hard hahaha.
@ThanosReXXX There is no way in heaven or on earth that the treehouse gameplay footage was running even close to 60fps. No way no how.
@hieveryone Well, to be honest, I really don't think it's that bad or worth moaning over, and I've watched the footage several times.
The first time I watched it, I did saw a frame drop here and there and after having watched it several times now, I can see that a bit clearer, so it IS noticeable but it's definitely not constant, and it isn't that intrusive that it would make the game unplayable.
It's not like it's dropping from 30 to below 20fps or something, unless you're talking about the "flurry attack" footage, which is intentionally slow. It's the classic "bullet time" gimmick.
In general, frame rate issue complaints of people always make me wonder how the hell these people even managed to enjoy a single game in any of the previous generations of consoles, because never before has frame rate and pixel density/resolution become such a staple and WAY too important factor in deciding if a game is good or not than in the current generation.
To me that's both sad and sickening/disgusting at the same time. Back in the day, I'd be happy if I could play on a color TV, and a little video interference never deterred me from enjoying any game. And now, in the HD era, I only enjoy the games even more, because I can appreciate where they have come from.
Technical issues, depending on the degree in which they occur, can be a factor in deciding whether a game is worth playing or not, but it shouldn't be the decisive one, especially if the effects are so minor. People could potentially miss out on a lot of great games if they allow themselves to be led exclusively by the whole fps/resolution verdict...
But to each their own, I guess.
@nab1 Nail on the head.
And thanks for a fair response.
@OGGamer Well, it was. Download it and run it through MediaInfo to find out for yourself. I've downloaded both videos in their highest setting from YouTube, and those are the actual numbers that came out of it.
@Clownshoes Jeez, man, IT WAS A HARMLESS JOKE. Maybe a bad one, but a joke nonetheless. There's a smiley behind it and it is followed up by "but seriously", further indication of my intent with that comment.
I didn't notice any framerate drops, but I don't know what that is or what it looks like, so I never notice. I'll just take your word for it that they're there. Really looking forward to this game. Only slight disappointment is the "out 2017" comment. I was hoping for launch, but that's looking less likely. Not a huge problem, just an indication of how much I want to play it.
I don't know about the rest of you, but Breath of the Wild might be my last Wii U game. I feel like my Wii U should go out with a bang!
@Clownshoes Some of your examples there gave me a good laugh. Thanks for that.
@Mortenb Totally agree. I want male Tomb Raider. And a male Samus too. Why? Because equality.
"Maybe some of us have seen way better in the past two years (uncharted 4, overwatch, dishonored 2, FFXV, dark souls 3, watch dogs 2, ratchet and clank, battlefield 1, titanfall 2)"
Idk man, I own every single one of those games, and while they are all good games (Ratchet & Clank, Watch Dogs 2, Battlefield 1, Dishonored 2) and some even great games (Uncharted 4, Overwatch, FFXV, DS3, Titanfall 2) I would not say a single one of those games looks better than Zelda BotW. In fact I would say Zelda actually tops that entire list.
"just aren't that impressed with cartoony, 5 year old engines that are way too oversaturated"
You listed Ratchet & Clank which is far more cartoony than Zelda, but it only seems to be a problem when it's dealing with Nintendo's games? This is one of the most aesthetically appealing art styles I've seen in a game in the last 10 years- and I would largely attribute that to the fact that it is not strictly realism. Secondly I don't think you know what engine it's running on, certainly not for Switch, and even if it was five years old, are you actually going to try to use that to marginalize the game? I bet half the games in that list of yours are using engines that are at least five years old.
If you can appreciate a moderately good game like Ratchet & Clank, yet have nothing good to say about Zelda, I would have to seriously question your judgment... or your agenda.
@ThanosReXXX Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but you are downloading 2 YouTube videos and running them thru Mediainfo? Wouldn't the YouTube video of the live play be 60fps b/c that's the frame rate of the video used to record the people playing the game? If you play a game on your PC at 3fps then record that screen at 60fps on your camcorder (we're probably the only ones here old enough to know what that is) then the video you upload to YouTube is going to be 60fps, it doesn't care what fps the game was playing on your PC. The trailer wasn't off screen, it was made to be 30fps b/c the game is supposed to be 30fps.
That's my take anyway, Mediainfo is analyzing a 60fps YouTube video of a game playing at 15fps. And to me, I don't think it's the frame rate as much as the rag doll physics that's making it look weird. Watch Link get stunned and flop down the hill, it's not the motion capture look we've grown used to this gen. You can watch a guy sit down and stand up at 30fps but if the animators don't draw any frames other sitting and standing it's still going to look choppy. I rewatched it today and the thought actually occurred to me during one scene that maybe they were going for a herky jerky stop-motion claymation look, in which case fps wouldn't matter. It was only 1 scene though.
I think I might have been one of those 13%. And it had nothing to do with the framerate, I don't care, it had to do with Nintendo promoting this as something new. A few more trees doesn't make it new. Talking to 1 person who isn't the old guy is just a character swap. There was nothing "new". The trailer was nice, but I was waiting for something new in the Treehouse, and there wasn't. If there had been, there would have been an article about it today.
If you didn't spend 2 1/2 hours watching live last night then you might not know what I'm talking about, but hype about something new was verbalized.
@CharlieSmile Your avatar is very fitting.
@shani ... You're joking, right? You're saying that's a system we barely know anything about is going to be- no, already is terrible.
And no new information? Are you blind?
Female character/bird person/Kass
The style and look of towns
And a bit more on the ideas put into this game.
@Ethan_Bricknell Let's be honest here- Linkle was an abomination. If we're going to talk about female leads, I think we should leave Linkle to rot in the annals of Nintendo obscuria forever.
'It' shall have no place in the creation of Link 'F'.
I am personally against forced gender selection in a narrative driven game, but I respect that other people have their own ideas on the matter. I think everyone just needs to chill the heck out. As suggested earlier- eat a Snickers or something. It's frickin Zelda for crying out loud.
@CharlieSmile Why did you change from Day 1 and preorder to never getting the game because of a gender select option?
Does not being able to place as someone of the same gender as you really upset you that much. And please actually explain your answer instead of ignoring me.
I need it!
Forshame, the 22% who merely "liked" the trailer :/
The treehouse video showed off some good action oriented combat especially when compared to other twitch combat RPGs
@CharlieSmile While I am much of the same opinion (other than not picking up the game entirely due to lack of gender options), and while I also think you stating your opinion is fine, you really don't need to respond to every single person that questions your beliefs, especially if you are just going to post junk one liners like "meh". There's just no point to that at all. Pretty sure you've had the mods here back you up before when other users where genuinely flaming you for your posts, but I'm also pretty sure you were asked to refrain from egging these people on in the first place.
I third that notion!
Two main comments:
1/ I'm lolling at all the fps comments. It's almost like Microsoft is paying people to FUD the game before it launches.
2/ Getting a strong OoT feeling. You'll play in the world, some disaster will occur, and you can either switch between before and after, or you have to fix the after to save the before.
Also too much green, but this is the easiest thing in the world for them to fix. Sure we have only seen a tiny fragment of the world and game.
Bring it on.
@XCWarrior I've been thinking the same thing. That's why Insomniac made the character Spyro purple instead of green, supposedly.
This game looks more and more like the 3D Zelda that I've always dreamed of but never dreamed would actually come to be.
0:41 Is that black Falco?
Any news on a Wii-U UK release?
whatever happens I'm getting two copies....
@KirbyTheVampire please don't drag feminists into this. A feminist would want a well rounded female protagonist. Independent of an established male counterpart mainly because it often takes forever for a distaff counterpart to be designed as anything other than "male protag with boobs". Females are more neuanced than that.
I still say bring on a game about Impa restoring the sheikah.
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy I don't owe you an answer
@Ryu_Niiyama and as a feminist, I never said "make link a girl."
I said "I want a female protagonist in a Zelda game."
@KirbyTheVampire I will not give it a rest, no.
I'm in love. My salvation levels are through the roof. I don't want a girl Link because Link was never a girl. A playable Zelda? Well OK. I didn't see any voice acting. I don't want Link to talk but whats wrong with everybody else talking. Those are small gripes but I'm still Loving it. I can't wait.
7.8~IGN too low of fps (WiiU) 7.8~IGN too much to do (Switch) my actual prediction though. IGN 8.4, NL 9 stars.
@CharlieSmile But there already exists a game in the Zelda universe where you can play as a female!
Behold! And you're welcome!
@Ryu_Niiyama The key word is "extremist". Besides, feminism has basically become synonymous with man-hating and female supremacy in a lot of cases. I know that's not the technical definition of the word, but I've seen so many "feminists" that really have no interest in gender equality that I tend to use the word as a synonym for "feminazi". I support equality, but not irrational people that base whether or not they're excited for a game on the gender of the character.
Awesome stuff Nintendo, this game keeps getting better and better. I hope this storyline is as good as this world and gameplay mechanics we'be seen so far
@CharlieSmile I never demanded one, I was just curious as to why you have the opinion you do. If you do not wish to discuss why, then so be it.
@shani "Why would anyone buy a version that's lacking key features? On a system with inferior hardware?"
You're joking, right?
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy You are never going to get one, because the basement dwelling SJW feminist is probably sat on a couch, eating ice cream and wondering why nobody wants to be around it (well, sans for others of their ilk of course, like flies to poop). They are obviously ignoring a great deal of games that have a female protagonist, and focusing on the ones that don't sos they can prove their non-point.
Anyway, I'm getting both for dat collection. Plus the Wii U version will probably hold its value very well.
Worth mentioning about the gender Link female talk here. The convo against the one person CharlieSmile is not that transparent or even sincere, and that in particular is frustrating me.
Changing Link to female or even having a new female protagonist is not "akin to changing genre" or a "very significant move." Those descriptors are not clearly and explicitly why it isn't getting done. Nor are they the reasons behind why people attack the idea itself.
It won't get done because it would leave millions of male fans of the series feeling like they are no longer playing a male coded game. A seminal male coded game for many millions, at that. Let's not beat around the bush about it. Changing Link to female would mean destroying that source of relational consumption for literally most men involved in playing the series. This is the single reason why it spells trouble for male fans and for no other exacting explanation outside of that.
I'm buying both versions
@KirbyTheVampire Please avoid using that r-word, our profanity filter doesn't like it. Thanks.
@Moon I recommend you buying It sooner than later, it cold become rare. Much like twilight princess on gamecube was
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy Judging by the answers, it's a troll.
@CharlieSmile I also identify as a feminist, however I personally intend to pick up this game upon release
Regarding the comment section, people just need to treat people like people. I understand your frustration, I get very frustrated when people present blatantly sexist and misogynistic arguments in comments, however, they just needed to be responded to politely, and presented with a reasonable counter-argument, otherwise I'll end up as bad as them.
Well, almost as bad.
Lol, Charlie the cry
What a nice echo chamber. Hehe
If there are no motion controls, I'm in.
@ThanosReXXX Watch this Digital Foundry video. It often drops below 30 fps when in combat or there's a lot of physics going on.
Everybody needs to calm down. Don't make me get the hose...
@CharlieSmile is entitled to her opinion, and the fact is that she has probably become frustrated with people aggressively shooting her down. Over time, this would make anyone annoyed. Those who disagree with her have gotten what they wanted- a male Link. It is worth remembering that @CharlieSmile will be deeply disappointed by this. Which is a bad thing, because we all want to love Nintendo's games. We need to be a bit nicer to one another and respect each others opinions.
Zelda is one of the most dearly loved game series there is, and naturally people will have some pretty strong feelings about it, particularly the idea of large changes to a core part of the series' DNA. The fact is that Link is a male character. Always has been. It's a totem of the series mythology.
My own feeling is that I don't care about Link's actual gender. I play a game to remove myself from reality, and playing the role of different characters, including those of differing genders, ages, heck, even different species is an important aspect of that escapism for me. I LOVE the Metroid games, and love playing as a strong female lead, Peach (a dated character if ever there was one) is one of my Smash Mains and my preferred MK8 character. Not that I want to be Princess or whatever..
Gender swaps do encourage people to be more imaginatively open. A female protagonist in Zelda would be fine- but not a gender SELECTION.
A gender selection instantly pulls you away from a narrative, forces reality into a world which relies heavily on imagination and escapism for its experience to be enjoyed, and makes a narrative worthless. There is a good reason why novels don't read like, "A man/woman walked into the bar and took a brief look around for his/her friend"
Stories need a strong foundation and definition of the rules of their own universe. This includes characters in which to inhabit who are not you.
Maybe for those very reasons it would be a good thing for the many male players to have a female lead in a future Zelda?
However I strongly disagree with a gender selection.
I would also like to point out one final thing- how masculine is Link really?? I would look at his progression from Ocarina onward as being increasingly effeminate. The Skyward Sword Link is more feminine looking than Zelda herself!
Darn, I ran out of popcorn...
@jobunker Sorry, but I really don't agree with that reasoning at all. You will also notice that the Zelda series has a massive female base of players who LOVE Link as a character.
I'd bet 1000 dollars on that this game will get a 10/10 rating from Nintendo Life when it launches.
@sandman89 I'm sure it will be better than the Wii U version, but if it's mirrored, I'll pass.
@CharlieSmile So, you'll never buy a Zelda game again because Eji Anouma laughed at the idea of a female protagonist? Your profile picture and description is very fitting.
BTW, you can't shrug to everyone that doesn't have the same opinion as yours just because you have nothing to say.
@HappyMaskedGuy I'm not "reasoning" much at all, I'm merely observing the reality that is latent to everyone's tight-knit emotional reactions to all of this. There is an observable, objective reality in this situation underneath all the attachments and frustrations and to me, and to many they revolve around the "attachment / the connection between Link and male." Note I did not say: "I am attached to Link as a male protagonist."
Furthermore, pointing to all the female fans of this series (I am very, very acutely aware that they are vocal and multiple and awesome) does not invalidate anything in the least that I am saying about the very many male fans. Destroying the Link between protagonist and maleness does effectively alienate the fanbase. Do I care about that outcome? Of course I don't. That does not mean the correlation is not COMPLETELY there.
The (insidious) beauty in this series is that it is completely and intentionally meta. Maybe not completely intentionally but complete in the agency between the player and the Link(ed) avatar as male - and somewhat intentional in the naming (Link). This is all part of the design or DNA that you speak of and the series is seminal, the series is a legacy, in large part due to this.
@DrRandle Well said.
@CharlieSmile Poochy never said it did.
Getting this on my Wii U day one. Not so excited about Switch, because still no games shown, I mean system-selling games, not remaster or Ubisoft trash.
@Spagem Your avatar is very fitting too.
@HappyMaskedGuy very well put
I haven't heard anyone yet use your point of character selection taking away to the story, and I actually agree with what you said.
What makes this particularly interesting is the fact the way the mysterious new female character was revealed in this trailer. If a female link was entered into the story as another character, it could be an excellent reason to include her while still maintaining the story. Just imagine Link failing to defeat Ganon, just to be saved in the moment by the true Link, or a past Link, who is female.
An improbability, but intriguing nonetheless.
I'm always excited to play the next Zelda. Having said that, it looks like every other Zelda. The gameplay looks the same as the last few.
@Ethan_Bricknell Gender does play a role in a narrative's strength, for sure. One of my favourite films ever is The Thing, by John Carpenter. I love it for many reasons, but one of the main pulls of that film is it's entirely male cast- it is a great case study of different types of male archetype, and this makes its narrative stronger. I also love Disney's Mulan, because it showcased a strong female lead who saves the day by fighting men. She doesn't fit into the mould that her world expects her to, but ultimately, that isolation proves to be the greatest strength over all others. Brave is similarly great for that reason. Great films. (I despise Frozen however 💩)
Gender is important in narratives. Zelda is a narratively driven series- people make unfair comparisons of Zelda to games like Warcraft or Skyrim in pursuit of gender selection. They are most certainly not the same thing.
@Iggy-Koopa Ease off with the insults please.
Way to go! Dehumanize someone you disagree with by calling them 'it'. Then pull out the buzzwords 'basement dwelling', 'SJW' etc.
You'll be peeing all over to mark your territory soon.
NL, are we just totally gonna ignore Nintendo's tumblr post from last night?
@IceClimbers Why would I be joking? It's the sad truth.
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy: Ooooh, wow, different kinds of Arrows, a brand new idea, never seen before on Zelda games! [fyi: Now I'm joking]
It shows enemies that are iterations from previous Zelda games, like moblins for example. Wow, what a surprise!
New locations? You mean the woods? Oh yeah I forgot, woods were never a dominant theme in Zelda games...
And which female character are you talking about? Maybe I missed it in the video, but it's hardly big news either. There were always female characters in Legend of Zelda. Now I'm not sure there were bird characters before, so that might actually be something new. Still nothing to get excited about.
I don't get why everyone is so excited about a 3-minute video that barely shows anything new.
The style and look of towns... well we only saw a tiny bit of that. Like a few seconds at most. It doesn't tell us anything about the world though and it's not so different from previous Zelda games either. Ocarina of time already had similar-looking villages like Kakariko.
But now I'm really confused: What do you mean by 'more on the ideas put into this game'? Because I didn't find anything regarding that in the new video. Tbh, the E3 footage showed us way more about the ideas put into this game than this short video.
@rjejr Yeah, you're right: I missed that one. I was thinking about adding a comment about people also needing to take into account quality loss and differences in frame rate when videos are uploaded (and compressed) to YouTube, but I decided to forego that option. Didn't want to make it any messier....
But indeed a good reason for why there seems to be such a big difference between the two videos, so hats off to you.
Personally, I wasn't really annoyed or turned of by the physics. I have no idea in what other fashion one should roll down a hill when beaten unconscious...
And what's new about it, is the bigger open world and the more "adult" take on the game mechanics, more like a real RPG instead of what a lot of people always perceive as the more entry level (or dare we say it: kiddie) type of gameplay that the previous installments had. This game is more akin to Skyrim or the Witcher, albeit with a Zelda flavor, obviously.
And new in the context of the Game Awards is obviously some new footage, different armor, some different enemies, the villages and the characters. Minor additions maybe, but still new, nonetheless. And personally, I thought that the overall graphics were also slightly improved, but I would probably have to do a side-by-side with the older footage to make sure I'm not fooling myself here...
@Ethan_Bricknell I always thought the female Link was a cool thought but hate the idea of the gender being optional. I would say they need to fully commit to one or the other in order to preserve a solid dramatic story which wouldn't work if you could chose. So gender option? No! Female Link? Sure!
@whodatninja I've already seen that, and like I have stated multiple times, I've also noticed the frame drops in the gameplay video.
The thing is that it just doesn't disturb me as much and I know it is also because this game is pushing the Wii U to its absolute limits. There's also pop-in, draw distance and field of view issues, but these all come with the same territory of the Wii U's hardware limits, but all in all this simply does not not make me dislike the game or annoy me that much that I wouldn't want to buy or play it, because like I also already explained, technical issues (unless REALLY bad) shouldn't be the primary reason for buying or not buying a game.
And a lot of dips happen during fights as well, which is possibly also why they put in that bullet time effect, to at least mitigate the problem somewhat. Or maybe not, I don't know. Either way, none of it is worse enough to bother me as much as it does some people. And in the end, is it's only a hobby, so there's much more important things to worry about than a game's frame rate or pixel density/resolution...
This comment section has been unexpectedly entertaining. Well, everyone can buy or not buy the game because of any or all extremist opinions. I only know one thing: Day 1 I'll be hunkered down playing the crap out of this game with a plate of bacon, a soda, and a smile on my face, feeling sorry for anyone who isn't.
The trailer and game play video look good. I'm not bothered by frame rate dips, there are 3 months or more of work left and who knows how close to the finished product that demo is. It could be an extension of the E3 demo.
Can't wait to see the finished product
@Nicolai For shame, the 51% percent of voters who said they would get the game for the Nintendo Switch, even though we don't know anyting about how the game will work on that system, or how it would even run. In fact, I think that 51% is a flash effect of the apparent frame rate hiccups in the Wii U version. Talk about being optimistic for the future, eh? :/
@ThanosReXXX Well, I just hope that Switch will be a better performer. I personally cant be immersed anymore by sub-30 framerates. Since going the gamer PC-route, it sticks out more and more like a sore thumb.
@Ethan_Bricknell heaven forbid that dudes actually be like "you know what? I respect your point of view. let me consider the benefits of this idea."
instead of "feminists are trolls, Charlie this, Charlie that."
@Iggy-Koopa hi thanks for your feedback
@whodatninja Guess I'm just more lenient than most complainers on here, then. I also play games on PC, and my rig is getting on a bit, and I don't have the cash reserves to do something about it, because of all my money having gone into starting my own company.
And yes, it stutters and shakes, slowing down and speeding up as I play, especially on sports games, but I just don't mind that much, since I still enjoy playing my games. Compared to that, the Zelda demo looks almost flawless. I noticed the frame drops, but like I said before, it will most definitely not deter me from enjoying a game.
I personally find it very, VERY sad that frame rate and screen resolutions are winning over the gaming crowd instead of the beauty and story of a game, and all the other things about it that are FAR more important than a checklist of numbers that apparently need to be met.
Nowadays, it's almost like some people (not you, just be clear) seem to find some perverse pleasure in putting every single game under a microscope in order to find that missing frame so that they can ecstatically point their fingers at it and lay down their verdict to send the game straight to the trash can.
Truly does make an older gamer like me long for the old days, when it was at most only PAL vs NTSC/50Hz vs 60Hz. Not that you'd have much of a choice most of the time anyways, which is what made it a hell of a whole lot easier too. You either played the game or not. And due to the absence of the internet (and oh, what a wonderful time that was in that respect) most people didn't even know that there were 60Hz versions of the games they played, unless they bought a magazine that told them about it. Once a month...
@whodatninja Oh, and rest assured that the Switch version will perform a hell of a whole lot better. At least, if they optimize it correctly towards the hardware. It's considerably more powerful than the Wii U, so it would actually be an achievement to make it perform the same or, perish the thought, less than the Wii U version.
I'm expecting a performance and a resolution boost, so I suppose all the anti-Wii U version people should go for the Switch version...
I sold my Wii U quite a while ago so it'd definitely be for the Switch if I get one, well that and I really can see the Wii U struggling to run this to its full potential. At the moment this is the game that's tempting me to jump on board with the Switch (it's funny little controllers and portable option have little value for myself), though we haven't really seen any other games yet aside from those in can get elsewhere. I liked the video and this is easily the best the game has looked so far, in a few months I'll be in the market for another big adventure when I've finished with Final Fantasy so it could be good timing
@CharlieSmile people have very often asked you in a normal way why you think about it this way. You always respond very offended.
@HappyMaskedGuy No one cares if she wants a female Link. I personally don't agree, but she's entitled to her opinion. I just have an issue with her being condescending about it for no apparent reason. She acts like it's a morally wrong thing that Link is a male or something. Where's the equality in that, exactly? Is Link an inherently bad character because he's not a female?
I personally don't care what the character's gender is. If Link had for all these years been a female, I would be completely fine with that. However, it would be practically changing history to randomly make such an iconic character the opposite gender. I don't care that Lara Croft from Tomb Raider is a female, for example, and if they randomly changed her to a male, I would think it was just as stupid as if they changed Link to a female. It's more an issue about breaking tradition than it is about the gender, in my eyes anyway. But of course, the feminist social justice warriors have to make a non-issue into an issue.
@KirbyTheVampire Thank you.
@ThanosReXXX I do think it was improved, but I was hoping for someting "new" new, like you were waiting for something special w/ NX. Never sure if you did find anything. I wanted speech, not Bill Trinen reading text bubbles over some guys head. Some type of transformation like most other Zelda games have had - night day, dark like, hot cold, red blue, I don't care, just show me something where I say "oh, so that's the thing."
Guy walking over the bridge was good, and the village straight out of the beginning of TP, I wondering if Link will be herding any goats?, and that flying guy aircraft did make me extremely happy, but Link on his own flying machine, that would have been the "thing" that pushed me over the top into happiness. Still just teasing us, they're holding onto the thing until Jan 12 I suppose. Which is fine, but that's why I voted the way I did.
@rjejr It kinda makes sense. If the plateau area truly is only 1% of the map, I can't even imagine walking across the whole thing. I suppose there is the horse, but I'm not sure how much that would help when it comes to getting somewhere at a decent speed. There must be some sort of fast travel system at least, since I doubt they would make us climb mountains and stuff more than once.
@Vee_Flames: I don't blame them (or me), because when I am asked a question, I acknowledge the fact that I only know as much as I know, and I just answer it anyway. At the moment, the Switch version does seem more enticing, doesn't it, with it being more powerful and more portable? But we'll know more later on, and opinions will change.
@Nicolai I get the benefits that come from the Switch version of the game, but what if the game still runs a bit wonky on the Switch? It's almost as if a lot of people are setting themselves for disappointment, I think.
That said, I really shouldn't have used such language (I apologize). I don't want to be the one to tell others how to spend their money.
I dont watch all the videos and i wont read all the articles on Breath of Wild because I feel it takes away from the surprise element and wonder of the game., I'm counting the days down though cause from what I've let myself see looks amazing I love the fluid animation style and looks like they have made more than a few changes and upgrades I cant wait to jump back into the world of Zelda , Nintendo puts alot of love into their Zelda series and in my opinion it shows .
I gotta say all these people saying the game wont run good on Wii U or Switch are you really really serious people Nintendo would wait to release the game if that was the case it is Zelda one of the top three Flagship IPs from Nintendo I'm sure the title will run amazing on both systems thats not even a concern .
@invictus4000 I'm with you on that!
As a gamer who also remembers the old days of low frame rates...well, I certainly remember barely noticing the frame rate issues in games like Goldeneye (except when doing crazy stuff like causing explosions all over the place) and being undeterred by whatever I do notice. Likewise I appreciated that the PS2 was even capable of handling a game like Robot Alchemic Drive with two giant, hulking, clumsy robots duking it out in a fully (?) destructible city, accepting the low frame rate as a price to pay for all the craziness that such gameplay entails. The same could be said of the stupid fun to be had from the Earth Defense Force shooting up hordes of giant insects in a similarly destructible city. And that was in the same console generation that allowed me to appreciate the smoothness of the gameplay in Timesplitters, even before I'd know what "60 fps" meant.
But nowadays? Tech has advanced significantly since then, and gamers' standards have been raised by this post-PS2 era where it's actually possible to keep 60FPS in more of the games that need it most, with most other games being able to settle for 30.
My point? A 2017 Zelda game shouldn't be running like a 1997 Zelda (or whenever it was that Ocarina came out), and that does detract from whatever non-technical beauty the game has.
@CharlieSmile Link's a male character, established for 30 years. You know Samus is female right? Can you imagine me wanting the world to change her to male because I'M male? It would be absolutely ridiculous, just like you're being.
@ThanosReXXX I'm getting the game either way, it's not like I skip a console game if the frame rate isn't up to par. It's the only way to play it since it's not on PC. But if the option is there, I get the PC version.
I just prefer higher frame rates now, even over higher resolutions. I hope they made this 720p, 60fps on the Switch. It really helps with a smooth experience. I have a Wii U, but if the performance is better on the Switch I'll get it there.
And NTSC vs PAL still haunts us today via the Virtual Console. I hate when Europe gets the slowed down versions of old games. I want the NTSC versions, the ones i never had access to as a child when I didn't know anything else.
I lean towards other people on how you are coming across. Only praising people that agree with you and coming across as a spoiled little child to those that dont. You are not helping your cause by ignoring the power of persuasion and a resonable dailogue.
That said, I think a Zelda centered game where say Gannon prevented the reincarnation of Link and Zelda had to set out so the cycle could continue would make for a great game.
IM NOT WATCHING THE TRAILERS TO NOT SPOIL THE GAME OR GET MY HOPES UP
“The Triforce is made up of Princess Zelda, Ganon and Link. Princess Zelda is obviously female. If we made Link a female we thought that would mess with the balance of the Triforce. That’s why we decided not to do it.”
“...if we have princess Zelda as the main character who fights, then what is Link going to do?"
Makes undeniable sense. Also, Zelda is intended to be the medieval folk-tale archetype of the maiden/princess, and we all want our 2016 media to stick close to medieval times archetypes, right? Especially high-profile, top-quality stuff like this.
Finally, most importantly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMdYZG_gdwI
Super-hyped for this game, btw. I hope the switch version has a better framerate, but I really think it looks great as it is
@KirbyTheVampire On many points I agree. But we should try and be more tolerant of opinions which are even wildly different to our own. It's not worth getting worked up about.
@SteamedSquid That's the old "Current Year" fallacy that bandied about around a lot of these frame rate and resolution debates. The obvious oversight is that the PS2 was cutting edge in it's day. The N64 was cutting edge in it's day. Devs have to make compromises to either make game more beautiful and expansive or perform better at a high resolution. They had to 20 years ago and they have to today. I'm sure BotW could run at 120 fps on Wii U if it had OoT graphics and physics. I don't think anyone wants that.
Of course the frame rate shown in the latest video wasn't ideal, it was a far cry from OoT or Goldeneye levels and looked quite playable to me. What we saw at E3 was quite smooth and if what we saw at TGA is as bad as it gets, I'm fine with that. I'm getting this on Wii U so I just hope that Nintendo can do something to make it better in the final build.
@rjejr Well, at least you have a more valid reason (or actually multiple reasons) to vote as such than just the "oh so important" frame rate "issue", so I can respect that way more than people just knocking the game for not being up to par with some checklist that they think it should hold up to.
And honestly, I do indeed hope that they are still keeping quite a bit of the story to themselves, wouldn't want to have that many spoilers way before I'll ever get a chance to try the game out for myself...
Just as I was about to ask you "The Brady Bunch, really?" you changed your avatar AGAIN. And here I was thinking older people are more set in their ways and like to stick to their choices. What's up with all the changes anyways? Back when you selected Rowdy Roddy you definitely had my vote...
@whodatninja Well, at least you don't come across as such a close minded person as some of the frame rate lovers on here, so props to you.
As for the whole 50 vs 60Hz issue: imagine my view on that. I'm an American who moved to Amsterdam in the Netherlands when I was 9, so I knew we had different standards, but I also knew there was nothing else available here, so if I wanted to play the games, I had to accept the fact that there was nothing else but these European versions. But I was never really all that bothered by it. All the games were perfectly playable either way.
And now that I have access to these superior versions (by means of emulation on on my modded Wii) I actually still don't think there's all that much of a difference in these games. Some genres benefit from it, while others don't. It's more or less similar to the whole 30fps vs 60fps debate: it's not needed for every type of game.
And back in the 50 vs 60Hz days, it was also a matter of wanting a version where the screen was filled completely or wanting a version with borders. I guess personal preference will always be a factor in any of these issues.
Happen to see that you are from Denmark. I speak a little Danish because my uncle was married to a Danish woman and used to live there, so I have visited him several times and in the end got to learn the language from my cousins over there.
I really enjoyed my time there and enjoyed the food as well as the people. Knowing where somebody is from also puts their comments in perspective, which in turn creates more understanding, as far as I am concerned.
@zionich I never claimed to have a "cause." I only said why I'm not hyped about this game.
and lo and behold, as they do, fans of male link came out of the woodwork to slam me.
I happen to slam back.
“...if we have princess Zelda as the main character who fights, then what is Link going to do?"
golly gee whiz maybe fight along side her?
that's laziness on Nintendos part.
@CharlieSmile I think it's just literally inconceivable, unfortunately...
@CharlieSmile I'd love a female Link...
@CharlieSmile I completely understand. I hate that the word feminist has become synonymous with hate for men (I absolutely despize the term feminazi).
It's very frustrating, but really, it's best just to ignore them.
@invictus4000 That's fair enough
@CharlieSmile Dude, you realize I didn't actually address my response to you correct? My response was made due to the knee jerk assumption that your issue with the game was an "extremist feminist" response. Feminism shouldn't be assumed to be the motivation just because you take issue with the gender options of a game. Not sure what the point of your response to me was. I never even addressed if you consider yourself a feminist or if that was the basis of your motivation.
Also the series has a female protagonist: Princess Zelda.
Can't wait! Who else spotted a cucco in the trailer and got unexplainably happy? Just me? Okay...
What is up with the constant bickering about nintendo characters :/ I think characters should just be left as they are. I am a male who would never want someone like Samus Aran to be male. It's a she and she should stay a she, that's that. Link is a guy and should stay that way, same with Mario, Peach etc. Would I be against them using a different protagonist in a zelda game? No it wouldn't bother me as long as it is a proper character! I hate the idea of a solid character being turned into a shell. That is fine for games like animal crossing or pokemon but not everything needs to do that. I like having my own character (for example in pokemon) but at the same time I loved being a kid and playing as Ash in pokemon yellow (or red etc but to me it was ash). People some times need to stop focusing on everything trying to fit them and enjoy games for what they are.
@SharkAttackU The "current year fallacy" I'm bandying about here is merely an attempt to illustrate that some compromises are becoming harder to swallow over the passage of time. Back in the 16-bit golden age, many games were silky smooth and only had slowdown when it was understood that there was just too much crap in the screen. When the PS(X, ugh) and N64 came out, we gave up that smoothness for a wide variety of fresh gameplay styles that came with the popularization of full 3D gameplay---a few steps back in exchange for many leaps forward and experiments. Since then, many games have been able to run at least 30 (and there was even a time when 60fps was commonplace: see Dreamcast, early PS2 (which was SO not cutting edge by the way), GameCube), and it's becoming more difficult and unnecessary to re-adjust to the rough motion of the late 90s, at least without good reason.
That said, the physics in Breath of the Wild does provide an interesting point: Could this, and other advanced things like the lighting and weather actually add enough to the gameplay to be worth the possibility of regressing to 1997 levels of choppiness, after we already know and accept that we aren't going to have 1993 levels of smoothness? What other limitations (such as draw distance) could end up being detrimental to the game as a whole? Could this serve as a wake-up call of sorts to Nintendo that they may actually need to make stronger hardware?
@XCWarrior I mean, they literally did make his tunic blue to provide a contrasting color.
And I never thought I would hear someone criticize Zelda for being too green... Triforce of COURAGE, man! Forest Temple.
Hey, I get it, there are some games where I wish the character had been different too. To each their own, but if you enjoy third-person fantasy adventure 3D platforming, then you might be missing out on some sweet gameplay.
Never change, Nintendo Life comments...
@CharlieSmile I could care less if it was male or female. I Play metroid games all the time without any drama. I think people would be just as upset changing Samus to male or Lara Croft to male .. Larry Croft maybe
@ThanosReXXX Sorry, I deleted the other 1, you'll have to check your inbox if you want to read it. Though there's really no reason too, more off topic than usual. (Eyeore voice)
@k8sMum Get right into bed with them if it helps you feel better.
@gcunit Sure thing. Any chance of requesting people ease off with their political agenda too? Because that has no place here either.
@ProudGrimleal I guess that's my bad
@Ryu_Niiyama Tell me more than one mainline Zelda game in which she's playable without the aid of Link. (Hyrule Warriors is a spinoff, fyi)
I am well aware of Hyrule Musou's spin off status. A protagonist isn't required to be playable to highlight their importance. Ever play Bioshock Infinite? The game is pretty much all about Elizabeth (in fact she makes more sense and is the most consistent character in the whole game) yet you don't play as her. Video games tend even in this day of squad members and what not have a narrow focus due to the player interaction component. You can't give an ensemble cast playtime as it is either jarring or shallow. AC: Syndicate and Dishonored 2 for example, are trying with their character switch offs and it still isn't quite right.
Zelda is literally the most consistent and one of the most if not THE most powerful person in the Zelda mythos. The woman is a literal (former) goddess for crying out loud. In addition to being the ruler or heir apparent of Hyrule...a more long reaching role than Link's after the credits roll. The narrative is from Link's perspective. Yet that in no way diminishes Zelda's contribution to the series mythos. I get it; you want a gender swap. Still doesn't change Zelda's importance to the series. Neither does being unable to play as a genderswap diminish the validity and complexity of the already established actually female characters of the series.
I know a lot of people like genderswaps for fantasy wish fulfillment, and I'll admit that when I play a game with a avatar I can build from the ground up, that I prefer to play as my biological sex. However, when dealing with established narrative I am very capable of playing as Hero McHeroGuy with little issue. Just as I find playing as female characters that are nuanced and built from from the ground up to be that way instead of a box that is checked to hit the diversity/inclusiveness/oppression olympics quota. If that was the case, as an African American female I'd play likely two games a year.
I prefer to ask for and support narratives that build strong female characters from the get go; rather than attempting to shoehorn it into an established narrative. Not every character can be Frodo; sometimes you have to be Aragorn...still important, but the story isn't focused on you.
Anyway, again my response was due to another poster painting feminism in a poor light. I didn't address anything to you directly until you responded to me. I have no desire to be drug into this back and forth that is going on in this comment section. Have a nice day.
@ThanosReXXX I just saw this on Amazon. I'm always going to think of it when I think of you now.
I thought I made it clear enough that it's not feminism itself that I hate, it's how so many people who "identify" as feminists are pretentious people who think men are evil and women are divine beings. I'll support the term feminism when feminists stop hating men and glorifying women. Until then, I'll just support simple equality. I'll admit I went too far when I said she was a feminist extremist. I tend to be a little more blunt than necessary, and I apologize to CharlieSmile for that.
@KirbyTheVampire I hadn't even had time to respond to any of your responses to me. So if you are clarifying a point you feel you've already made I haven't even gotten to your response. I'm stepping out of this convo now because I have fighting game news to catch up on and I will be on SRK for the rest of the day. Apologies as I prefer to finish dialogue with others but I am honestly too hyped on sfv and mvc:i to be bothered. Have a nice day.
@rjejr Well, don't think of me too often: that would be kind of weird...
But a good avatar doll/figure, nonetheless. A bit too friendly looking, but the big head is a good metaphor, what with all my above average intellect and all...
Kinda looks like a bobble head, although it'll probably just be some kind of super-deformed/chibi toy.
And message clear concerning your previous avatar and no, I didn't know that. The show was broadcasted over here as well many decades ago, but I haven't really been keeping tabs on what happened with the actors after that.
I remember seeing her in some talk show, also quite a few years ago, recognizing the face and wanting/having to remember who the heck she was again without googling her name, but in the end I had to admit defeat because it never came to me, so I had to use the powers of the internet to help me...
@ThanosReXXX "Kinda looks like a bobble head"
It's a Funko Pop. Surely they have those over there, they're huge here. And I don't think of you at all unless your name pops up in my inbox.
@rjejr Never heard of them. Then again: I'm not really interested in that kind of stuff, so even if they do sell 'em over here, I still wouldn't know.
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