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Take Five and Double It!

Posted by Damien McFerran

10/10

The observant among you may have noticed that the scoring system has changed at VC Reviews from a five star system to a far more expressive scale of ten. We have debated making this change for some time as so many classics ended up getting rated with five stars (rightly of course!). Now you’ll notice a lot more 9/10 scores and only a handful of 10/10 scores.

You might assume that we have just doubled the old scores, but our process has been far more carefully planned than that. The whole VC Reviews team put their noggins together and debated each game to arrive at what we consider to be the most appropriate score. Some 3/5 scores will have become 5/10, 6/10 or 7/10 for instance.

Another change is now we have a dedicated reviews page, which means an extra click for you, but allows you to comment on our review on a page separate from the game profile page.

Sadly we have decided to drop the ‘average user rating’ feature for now. This will get reinstated in the future so you can give a rating out of ten instead, along with some exciting new features.

We’re sure all this might come as a shock to some of our long-term readers, but we hope you’ll agree it is for the best in the long run. We’re sure you will make your thoughts known below as always.

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User Comments (145)

MrPinguy

#1

MrPinguy said:

Now the score is more detailed.
I don't know if thats actually a good thing.
But since you are good reviewers i think it will be alright, if not better.

EDIT: Firs.... nah thats stupid. :P

Doogle

#2

Doogle said:

Wow great work guys! That must have been a mammoth effort to revaluate all those reviews and come up with appropriate scoring with a scale of 10.

At a first glance it looks like you have done an excellent job. I totally agree with the handful of games you deemed worthy of 10/10.

Kuugen

#3

Kuugen said:

Preferred the old vc layout over the new wiiware look.
Alltough the 10 system > 5. Cant agree with all scores tho ;p

Bass_X0

#4

Bass_X0 said:

I think I would have preferred half stars - the star rating looks better at a glance.

ouenben

#5

ouenben said:

That's good to hear. i do feel 5 isn't enough to seperate between games.

Disco_Stu

#6

Disco_Stu said:

What a bold change to make... I think this is for the best really, a scale of ten is much better IMHO.

Hey, now we get another chance to comment on the reviews we liked (or those we didn't!) all over again! :D

Tragickingdom

#8

Tragickingdom said:

I like the 10 star rating better, but still wish the user rating was avail, it seems more like a (agree with us, since we know better then you) type of thing. And there have been many times I really have not agreed with the rating and was thankful for my, and others 2 cents.

Bass_X0

#9

Bass_X0 said:

But it does mean more arguments over the ratings now - SNES Super SF2 has the same rating as Genesis SF2 Special Champion Edition (8/10) despite Super SF2 having much more content and better presentation than the Genesis game. Oh well. * shrugs *

Tragickingdom

#11

Tragickingdom said:

I do agree with Bass on that. There are a few that catch my eye right off the top that seem to fly against conventional wisdom. But I am sure that you guys did you best. Lets hope that the edit feature is not dead to you guys on this after user input....lol

DazzaAdmin

#12

Dazza said:

@Tragickingdom - The user rating system will be back soon in the future. It will be bigger and better than before too. Watch this space! :-p

Tragickingdom

#13

Tragickingdom said:

It looks like the verdict is in: to get a high score from VC, use the word super in your title. Only two games recieved a low rating when following this formula. :-)

ness

#15

ness said:

No, please, please not.

No to the 10/10 system and no to the extra review page =(.

Man, the old system was perfect, but now...

Why do we need two pages for one game? And the 5/5 system is perfect for old games, because everyone has an slightly different opinion for every game.

Bass_X0

#16

Bass_X0 said:

You'll get used to it, Ness. We all will. And yeah, some of the games jump out at me at being wrong in my opinion when compared to others of the same rating.

antdickensAdmin

#17

antdickens said:

Remember a review can never be "wrong", just a difference of opinion. You'll all get to have your say when we finish the aforementioned game collection / rating thing we have cooking :)

ness

#18

ness said:

@ "You'll get used to it, Ness."

They could have made a survey or something like that.

Boah, I'm so furious about that changes, because VC-Reviews is one of my favorite Internet sites.

The next time there will be a 100/100 system...

Again, why do we need two pages for one game? If want to talk about a game I just need one page for it, not two.

Doogle

#19

Doogle said:

@Bass X0 - I suppose even with a factor of 10 there are still gonna be some games with the same score which you don't think are equal if your own eyes. I'd say I agree with the majority of the scores here so I can't complain TBH.

@ness - It seems to me there is now a page to comment on the game and another page to comment on the review verdict separately. Seems sensible to me. I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it pal.

Bass_X0

#21

Bass_X0 said:

Well going back to the SF2 example as I used before, all four SF2 games on the Virtual Console have scored 8/10 despite the series getting significantly better as it goes on. You'd expect the score to reflect the improvements in each new sequel over the previous game wouldn't you? Well, maybe not you particularly but I sure do.

CorbsAdmin

#23

Corbs said:

I still think the original SNES Street Fighter 2 is the best of the bunch, but most would disagree. I also liked the Genesis version of SF2 better because of the 6-button Genesis pad. But that's also just me. Over time the degree of difference between the various SF2 releases has lessened to some degree and I think the 8 across the boards is fair. I can't see giving any SF2 game a 7, but I'm not sure they're up there in the 9 range anymore either. Not with some of the better fighters that came along after them like Garou: Mark of the Wolves and the King of Fighters games. :)

marktheshark

#24

marktheshark said:

I would've prefered a school grade rating system format, but a 1 out of 10 system isn't that bad either.

DazzaAdmin

#25

Dazza said:

@Bass X0 - As I wrote the review for the original SF2 I have now amended this to a 7 which I think is fairer in light of the alternatives. It is still a great game, but really suffers from having no speed select which is essential for PAL gamers.

Damo reviewed the other 3 SF2 games, I am sure he sticks by his assessment :-p

AVahne

#26

AVahne said:

yay,i liked the wiiware world scoring system and its great to see it on vc-reviews

Winter

#28

Winter said:

Really good update!! Now it`s easier to see how good a game really is.

Ferret75

#29

Ferret75 said:

I prefered the half stars, as the new ratings are kinda akward to adjust to.
There's only four games rated 10/10, and only two games are 1/10 now.

But I wish we could add our our ratings though. =

DazzaAdmin

#30

Dazza said:

@Ferret75 - But we never featured half stars to begin with?!

There are 8 games rated 10/10, we're not that stingy lol

Rawk_Hawk

#31

Rawk_Hawk said:

Well it will take some getting used to but at least using numbers is consistent with WiiWare Worlds reviews.

CanisWolfred

#33

CanisWolfred said:

I always thought the 5-Star system was good enough. Not that I really mind the change, though, except that the stars were easier to see when sorting through the main game list. But honestly, I never really paid attention to the scores all that much, just the reviews themselves.

Mike1

#34

Mike1 said:

They should've got all the kinks out of the new system so the user-rating feature wouldn't be eliminated.

Objection

#35

Objection said:

Sadly we have decided to drop the ‘average user rating’ feature for now. This will get reinstated in the future so you can give a rating out of ten instead, along with some exciting new features.

So does that open up the possibility of WWW doing the same thing now? Anyway, I approve of both changes. More focused conversations and more accurate reviews.

Starwolf_UK

#36

Starwolf_UK said:

Well I guess this explains why my RSS feed showed there being 20 new reviews up on the site...

d_vader

#37

d_vader said:

I abhor 10-star rating systems. What's the difference between a game getting a 2 or a 3? It's a bad game either way. Who on VC Reviews is going to spend time and energy to decide whether a bad game should get a 2 or a 3 especially when there are different people having a different idea between what a 2 and a 3 rating is.

I prefer a 5-point rating scale because it's simple and gives more than enough information when accompanied by the written review. Why fix what's not broken?

CanisWolfred

#38

CanisWolfred said:

@d.vader

Too many people complained when a game got 2-stars or 3-stars. Not that it will completely stem the complaints, what with people even complaining on IGN's site just because a game got a 10.6 when it should've gotten a 10.7, but hopefully it shoud be reduced somewhat (I have to admit, there's not a lot of score-related complaining in Wiiware World).

Personally, I'd advocate the elimination of scores all together so people more people would forcus on the actual reviews instead, but since I know that'll never happen (apparently the majority of gamers can't tell that a reviewer thinks a game is good unless there's some arbitrary number slapped to it), I'll just have to make due with this.

hamispink

#39

hamispink said:

this is definitely an improvement, i will look forward to seeing all my favorite games rated in more detail :)

Digiki

#42

Digiki said:

Remember a review can never be "wrong", just a difference of opinion.
Wrong. If I review contains lies and misinformation it is indeed wrong.

The 5 stars were more useful to do a quick glance of the good and the bad games, half stars would've probably been better since they'd be easier to quickly browse, and have 10 different rating possibilities. 2 pages per game is kind of a bother as well.

The_Fox

#43

The_Fox said:

I prefered the 1-5 stars myself, but that's just me. It doesn't matter that much one way or the other, to be honest.

Tides_of_Chaos

#44

Tides_of_Chaos said:

Ick, two pages per game now? I'm ok with 5 doubling to 10 (but I miss the stars...:( ) but two pages? I can understand wanting to separate the review and actual game comments but still, I prefer having all the info I could need in one place. Especially when it comes to videos. Sometimes when I start reading a review and can't understand what the game really plays like so I scroll down and watch the video of it. Now that's gone, and it's something that I've always hated about Wiiware World.

Sharecrow

#45

Sharecrow said:

Call me naive but I totally didn't see this commng. It's good though - it'll help distinguish games from one another in terms of overall quality (at least the reviewers' perspective of it).

Rexy

#46

Rexy said:

It won't affect my own personal feelings regarding certain games, but as long as it does a more distinguishable job in defining great games in comparison to the old 5 star system, I'm okay with it. Viva la VC :)

Rawk_Hawk

#47

Rawk_Hawk said:

Congratulations to China Warrior for no longer being the lowest rated game on VC reviews :)

Cally

#49

Cally said:

Speaking of observant, it also let you guys completely re-rate some stuff. Not that I'm complaining; it's just funny to think that some of the flak on those boards that you guys got will be obsolete. :D

Overall, I've always liked the 1 to 10 scale better. Enough distinction without being overly hair-splitting.

Egg_miester

#50

Egg_miester said:

i always liked 1 out 10 better as a rating system but i'll support this web site no matter what rating system it used

timp29

#51

timp29 said:

I think VC-Reviews had made the right call. Now that the scoring/review system is similar to wii-ware world, you can unify the sites. Also, I for one am glad to see the reviews become a news item. Sometimes it feels like days go by (namely monday NA release to monday NA release - when EU doesn't get anything) where nothing happens in the VC world. I think this will create more site traffic and be good for you guys.

Keep up the fantastic work, this is one of my favourite sites.

brooks83

#52

brooks83 said:

Well my comment got deleted earlier because I posted it on the Winter Games review and not here, but I'm perfectly fine with the 10 point review system, but I still don't understand why anybody would want a page with game info and a page for the review. What is so wrong with having it all on one page?

CorbsAdmin

#53

Corbs said:

I still don't understand why anybody would want a page with game info and a page for the review.

The game info page is put up sometimes months before the game is released and a review is posted. By then the comments at the bottom of the info page have already been made, some over the course of months. We want the review page separate so that new comments can be posted once the review is out without having them start up at the end of the current comments on the game info page. Plus having the review page separate allows for a News item to be made each time new reviews are put up live on the site. :)

Cally

#54

Cally said:

btw . . .

General comment . . . thanks for the hard work on the site. It's especially great for us gaming oldsters. How old is 24 in video gamer years? <shudders>

Also--and this is just me--the generic Mario avatar still makes me do double-takes and think "gee, that guy sure likes to make a lot of posts." :P

Captain_Konami

#55

Captain_Konami said:

Like Cally said, you guys have obviously been busy bees and I really appreciate that you've continuing to look to improve the website.

And how people can get all drama over a scoring format, preferred or not, just baffles me. Makes me wonder if people have forgotten what really ranks as serious stuff vs what ranks as largely academic/discussional stuff. Oh well, better to care than not, though better to do so in moderation rather than to extremity.

For my own point of view of scoring formats, a system of 10 just makes the scores chosen more meaningful (at least to those who chose them) and less is lost in translation between one 3 star game and another 3 star game. A 5 star system is more "cozy", but I like clarity rather than squinting at my 5 dollar bill to allow myself think it's a 50. ;)

Although, I will say that I disagree with putting two separate comment spaces up for each game listing in two different places/pages. Often enough we have slim enough discussions about a given game as it is, potting two side by side places for people to comment/discuss the game seems counter-productive. A thread of discussion in one page might catch many peoples interest and participation, but because they stumble on the other page first and see next to no activity or less interesting comments, possible engagement and discussion from more people is lost. You might consider leaving one comments location for each game.....maybe whichever screen people come to from the "Out Now" list that many folks probably use to browse to their games of interest. Perhaps.

Cally

#57

Cally said:

@ Captain_Konami

Yeah, I tend to agree with the separate comments page thing. I can imagine what you guys are aiming for, but I don't know if people would think a whole lot about "is this comment pertinent to the game news or the game in general." I mean it's different from Wiiware because a lot of people comment based on already knowing what the game is like before it gets released on the VC. Just my 2 cents. :)

I'm really going on, but it might be kind of cool just to be able to see each others' "my games" thing. Especially for the eds, here. ;)

y2josh

#59

y2josh said:

Ohhhh okay.. now I feel stupid for the comment I made on the review page for Winter Games ... heh

timp29

#60

timp29 said:

I understand peoples' view about a review page and a game page each with their own comments. Would it be possible to later add the review to the game page? That way the information would all be in the one place rather then spread over two places. Although this would risk having the comments on every game's page start with something like 'I remember playing this as a kid... bla bla bla' and/or 'yay first!'

Viral

#61

Viral said:

I wish people would stop saying things about the half star system and keeping it at 5. Because a half start is like adding a number in between the star anyways. For example, 4 and a half stars is easily a 9 rating. Seriously, people need to leave it be and accept it's going to change because change is usually for the better in the long run.

Viral

#62

Viral said:

@Cally : Post 55 - Yeah, I know what you mean with the Mario avitars. I wish it'd randomize the avitars to make it easier to see who's posting what. And I also wonder what age 24 (my age) is in gamers years. lol... I remember playing the Atari when I was younger. lol.... :)

Bass_X0

#63

Bass_X0 said:

For example, 4 and a half stars is easily a 9 rating.

Yeah. Thats the point. Some people rather have a visual rating than a number.

Starwolf_UK

#64

Starwolf_UK said:

I think VC-Reviews had made the right call. Now that the scoring/review system is similar to wii-ware world, you can unify the sites
I'm not sure if it is really right to compare the two though. The two services offer very diffent games.

antdickensAdmin

#65

antdickens said:

Maybe we should add the option into the user profile settings to choose whether you want to see "1-5 stars, 1-5 half stars or 1-10 numbers" and just convert the figures back down ;)

Eva

#66

Eva said:

Well I don't like review scores so the fact that we now get a mark out of ten rather than five matters little to me.
I have to say I don't like having the review on a separate page though. I know it's just one extra click but it seems pointless.

Chunky_Droid

#67

Chunky_Droid said:

I like 10 better myself, and there never were half stars as far as I remember.

And as far as the Street Fighter games go, if the games are getting reviewed based on time of original release, then yeah, they probably would all get 8's. If it were a system where they're getting reviewed as games coming out now, they may differ depending if the staff expected the latter games to be released.

ness

#68

ness said:

@ d.vader (#38): "I abhor 10-star rating systems. What's the difference between a game getting a 2 or a 3? It's a bad game either way. Who on VC Reviews is going to spend time and energy to decide whether a bad game should get a 2 or a 3 especially when there are different people having a different idea between what a 2 and a 3 rating is. I prefer a 5-point rating scale because it's simple and gives more than enough information when accompanied by the written review. Why fix what's not broken?"

I absolutely agree with that. A review should always just give a overview about the game and an unsubtle appraisal. A 5/5 system is perfect for that.

@ Tides of Chaos (#45) "Ick, two pages per game now? I can understand wanting to separate the review and actual game comments but still, I prefer having all the info I could need in one place. Now that's gone, and it's something that I've always hated about Wiiware World."

The same here, I can just agree with that.

Wiiloveit

#69

Wiiloveit said:

Nice one, guys - it's a lot easier to judge whether or not I should be buying a certain game now - and the new game profiles make the interface a lot nicer. How long did it take you to do all this work though?
Also: sad to see the user ratings go, but I can't wait for their return.

Kobayashi

#71

Kobayashi said:

Very bad idea. I disapprove this.:-(
The rating of the stars is much better in my opinion.
Only see games Nintendo with 10/10 gave nauseas to me.
Please, come back the old system rating !

Bahamut_ZERO

#72

Bahamut_ZERO said:

Love the more detialed scoring guys, good job.

But of course, continuing my WWW tradition here, anything that gets a 10 here I must buy. You guys just love to make me spend money, dont ya :P

Good thing I already have all the10s though :) But no way am I doing anything 9+ on this site. Im not Bill Gates ya know :P

EJD

#75

EJD said:

I'm impressed with the revamped ratings and find them to work better than the 5 stars system. It will be much easier for me to decide which games to get now. :)

Can't wait for the user rating feature to return, maybe this could be used on WiiWare World as well. Great work VCR team! :D

Paper_StarFox

#76

Paper_StarFox said:

the problem with an out-of-10 system is that too many game reviewers treat a 7 as the par score, leaving anything scored 5 or below as five different kinds of crap, and the score system ends up becoming out of 5 anyway.
a 5 star system works well because if we were asked on the street "did you like this game?" we would reply "yes"/"no"/"it was OK"/"i hated it"/"i loved it" (followed by "please stop following me, you're freaking me out").
one reason why a more detailed score would be necessary is for 2 versions of the same game (SFIIturbo/champion): both 5 star worthy, but one is more worthy than the other.

but most of all: a well written review says more than any number or star.

Goomba2996

#77

Goomba2996 said:

I personally like the new scoring. Looks like vc-reviews is getting bigger. I LOVE IT!

Kobayashi

#79

Kobayashi said:

I insist: very bad idea.

The system rating with stars is much better and more just.

See the Youtube rating stars system, for example. It´s perfect !

Come back the stars again, please.

Ferret75

#80

Ferret75 said:

@Ferret75 - But we never featured half stars to begin with?!

There are 8 games rated 10/10, we're not that stingy lol


I meant 5 stars system, since half of 10 is 5.

Bah, I miss the user ratings.

XCWarrior

#81

XCWarrior said:

I think this will be a good change in the end. As long as we can rerate the games, then I'm happy.

DazzaAdmin

#82

Dazza said:

Lets make it clear, the user rating system IS coming back and it's going to be much better and interactive than before. We're also talking about adding a FAQs feature so we can list the Konami code, etc.

Stick with us guys, we have a master plan! :-p

DazzaAdmin

#85

Dazza said:

Yeah the new rating system will be used on Nintendo Life and WWW too.

Cally

#87

Cally said:

With 1-10 scales there's more room for subjectivity, yeah. I know what ness is saying.

I mean, Nintendo makes "perfect" games (really, not to be messed with). Like, you're not going to pick at it and find a lot of technical flaws. And then other times you have games that aren't quite so "perfect," but arguably have a higher ambition level, which means more opportunities to make mistakes (and therefore results in varied opinions). Games I would personally give perfect 10's to are very few.

I think with scoring systems you can just do your own translation, like 8-10=5 (Rpgamer converted their ranking system the other way around :P)

ness

#88

ness said:

A 10/10 system gives just too much room for discussions.

For example: Why does Donkey Kong Country not get a 10/10? And Super Mario Bros. 1 gets a 9/10? The same as Donkey Kong Country and Sonic the Hedgehog 2?

Or Mario's Super Picross. It's a perfect Picross game with a absolutely high game volume, why does it not deserve a 10/10?

And what is with Mega Man 2? "platforming action at it's very best." (From the review)
Not a 10/10? Why then "very best"? What is missing to get a 10/10?

You see what I mean? The 5/5 system was just perfect for the old games.

Quote: "We have debated making this change for some time as so many classics ended up getting rated with five stars (rightly of course!)."

Huh? That is a contradiction. You say they deserve a 5/5, so why then a change? I really can't understand why a high quality site like VC-Reviews should change its scoring system.

I see it coming. In the past: Game A = 3/5
Comments: "A quite good game, I will give it a try"

In the future: Game A = 5/10
Comments: "Wow, so bad?"

Cally

#89

Cally said:

Yeah, it's less agreeable. And there will be more debate about old reviews matching the new scores like you said.

MM2 is my favorite game ever. :D So you can bet there was a little reaction from over here.

You're also right that most people don't use the scale right with 5 being average (Game Informer nixes that and compares their scaling to school. Who the hell wants to be reminded of SCHOOL when their reading about games?! :P), and that's partly circulated by the people who don't want to see stuff they really like get called an average or just-above-average game. Who knows why, but to some, 3 stars tends not to look as bad as a 6/10. Plus, most of the stuff on the VC (generally) happens to be picked fairly well out of the vast number of games on their systems.

I'm sure VCR took what they did seriously, here, though. And that's what matters to me, I guess. (I just hope the same reviewers did the re-rating, of course).

DazzaAdmin

#90

Dazza said:

@ness - I don't see how we could make this any clearer for you. On a 5 star system we HAD to give so many games the top score, so the end result was we had no distinction between the excellent and what we deem 'perfection'.

A 9/10 for Mega Man 2 is still a great score, are you really complaining now that we didn't give it 10/10? Maybe we should have just literally doubled all the old scores? :D

Cally

#91

Cally said:

I'm not complaining, Dazza. I respectfully disagree (about Mega Man 2), but I'm not complaining. There shall be more (hopefully respectful) controversy!

I mean, I can think of how a certain somebody here on the staff is reacting to not even a single shooter (such as Gate/Lords of Thunder) not getting a 10, either. :P

Kobayashi

#92

Kobayashi said:

A 10/10 system gives just too much room for discussions.

For example: Why does Donkey Kong Country not get a 10/10? And Super Mario Bros. 1 gets a 9/10? The same as Donkey Kong Country and Sonic the Hedgehog 2?

Or Mario's Super Picross. It's a perfect Picross game with a absolutely high game volume, why does it not deserve a 10/10?

And what is with Mega Man 2? "platforming action at it's very best." (From the review)
Not a 10/10? Why then "very best"? What is missing to get a 10/10?

You see what I mean? The 5/5 system was just perfect for the old games.

Quote: "We have debated making this change for some time as so many classics ended up getting rated with five stars (rightly of course!)."

Huh? That is a contradiction. You say they deserve a 5/5, so why then a change? I really can't understand why a high quality site like VC-Reviews should change its scoring system.

I see it coming. In the past: Game A = 3/5
Comments: "A quite good game, I will give it a try"

In the future: Game A = 5/10
Comments: "Wow, so bad?"

I agree 100% !
The stars rating system is perfect for retrogames. It´s a big wrong changed it.:-(

Ferret75

#93

Ferret75 said:

The thing is, you can't really give a game a 9/10 without saying what gives it a 9 instead of a 10.

And also, some games are getting the wrong ratings IMO.
Street Fighter 2 has four different versions, some which are apparently better than other versions, and they still all have the same rating?

Captain_Konami

#94

Captain_Konami said:

@92. Cally - ... "I mean, I can think of how a certain somebody here on the staff is reacting to not even a single shooter (such as Gate/Lords of Thunder) not getting a 10, either."

Wow that was oscar award winning smoothness, the way Cally tried to deputize an army from within VC Reviews own staff...... heh.
.
.

And many scores will not look right to many folks. As the number of people (evaluating something, in this case) involved goes up, the odds of even getting a solid majority agreement goes down. It's an Internet law of nature.

And it's looks a bit peculiar that some games still have matching score in a more detailed system, but then no not said the 10 point system would solve all rating oddities. But hopefully it's an improvement. At least now it is more qualified grounds to make cases for score comparisons and more worthwhile discussions of relative game quality. It's not complete improvement, but definitely an improvement, I'd say.

And while I can't agree with Mega Man 2 having any score that indicates any flaw in the game at all, I know some scorers do like to try to "reserve" 10, sometimes just "for the future" rather than for comparison sake. Olympic judges used to be suspected of favoring later contestants with better scores, avoiding giving the upper scores out too soon and trapping themselves from giving "better" scores to unknown future entries.

But then these are just video games, so I say let the 10's happen. Let the "great" games have the ultimate scores, even if a NES "great" might later be "topped" by an N64 "great". .......""
:)

Captain_Konami

#95

Captain_Konami said:

@58. Cally:

Doh. I had just assumed all this time that folks could see each others My Games lists and scores. It seemed almost designed to be a social sort of thing rather than a Mwahahahahah, MY scores, these are MY SCORES!!! MUAHahahahah <cough cough sputter>
:)

Bummer. And I agree with Cally's comment, the Wiiware model really doesn't feel fully desirable for the VC concept. Frankly, those oversize numbers for the score kind of annoy me. I'd rather see almost anything, even technicolor rainbow, to highlight the review score than font size 40. :P

@59. Auntman:

Remind me in a couple years to All Hail you. :P

Edit: After reading more posts......I recommend changing the 10 point system to a 10 star system. Can we line up 10 stars? It sounds like people just miss their stars. :)

CorbsAdmin

#96

Corbs said:

I mean, I can think of how a certain somebody here on the staff is reacting to not even a single shooter (such as Gate/Lords of Thunder) not getting a 10, either.

Don't get me started... :P

CanisWolfred

#98

CanisWolfred said:

@Ness

That's why there's a link to the scoring at the bottom of every review, so people will know that a 5/10 isn't that bad(accually, in this case, it's "average).

ness

#99

ness said:

With a 10/10 system you have to argument why a game deserves a 8/10, not a 9. Or why a 9/10 not deserves a 10/10. That is missing in nearly every review of you. Often a game has no negative point, but still "just" get a 9/10.

@ Dazza (#91): "A 9/10 for Mega Man 2 is still a great score, are you really complaining now that we didn't give it 10/10?"

You didn't give a reason why it does not deserve a 10/10. But that is not the point. Look at my examples (Donkey Kong Country, Super Mario Bros. 1, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Mario's Super Picross, Mega Man 2) to see what I mean. You didn't dwell on that subjects.

@ Mickeymac (#99): "That's why there's a link to the scoring at the bottom of every review, so people will know that a 5/10 isn't that bad(accually, in this case, it's "average)."

Go to WiiWare-World and you will see that most people think that 6/10&7/10 stands for a average game. You don't have that problem with a 5/5 system.

Btw. were stars better than numbers, especially for a retro-videogame internet site.

Bass_X0

#100

Bass_X0 said:

Reviews were written for the old star rating system and the scores for each game were only re-evaluated just recently. I'm finding myself disagreeing with a lot of the new scores while I was quite content with the scores under the star rating system. I also have to agree that scores out of ten are better suited for new games like on WiiWare and scores out of five are better suited towards retro games from yesteryear - we don't know these new WiiWare games or how good they are which is why we need a detailed score while many of us have been gamers for two decades or more and have formed strong opinions on the VC games that a more vague five star rating makes people content with a games score. I think maybe if VC-R had rated the VC games out of ten from the start, we wouldn't have had a problem.

DazzaAdmin

#101

Dazza said:

@Bass X0 - With the benefit of hindsight we would have used the new system. I understand it might come as a shock to some who were settled with the old system, but moving forwards we needed to do this. Long term we want WWW and VCR to be much more unified, the beginning of doing this is having the same rating scheme across the board.

slangman

#102

slangman said:

I actually prefer this 'new look'. Nice job you guys. This will help with comparing with unique games like Zelda against other games like Lords of Thunder that had the 5 star systems, but would be different in scores. Although I do disagree with some scores (I think a 4/10 for Yoshi's Story is way too harsh compared to 3 stars, it makes it sound like a bad game) :)

ness

#103

ness said:

@ slangman (#103): "This will help with comparing with unique games like Zelda against other games like Lords of Thunder"

How can you compare 2 games from such different genres?

slangman

#104

slangman said:

Not by genres but by the quality of the games themselves that. I always thought of Lords of Thunder as an 8 while Zelda OOT is 10/10 for example (both deserve 5 stars but should have different scores).

Maybe my example is not that great but I reckon it's better to see which game is better as they don't have a even scoring system now. :P

Bass_X0

#105

Bass_X0 said:

I don't think games from different bit systems should be compared. A 7/10 Master System game can be compared to a 7/10 NES game but should not be compared to a SNES or N64 game rated 7/10. Otherwise the SMS game would be way too highly rated.

Adam

#108

Adam said:

Much, much prefer the 5 stars system. I think the average user understood 5-stars meant excellent, not perfect. There's no need for a "perfect" rating anyway because perfect games don't exist. I've always noticed a lot more complaints about scores at Wiiware World, also. 5 rankings are more meaningful and immediately understandable, but I've ranted about that enough already. :)

Doesn't matter though, I'll continue to ignore the scores like at WWW and just read the reviews, which are much more useful anyway and well written. By the way, this may have been commented on already, but I really hope the user rating feature gets implemented at WWW, too! :)

Ian_Daemon

#109

Ian_Daemon said:

So now we have more pages? Sigh. Great. Now we'll have more opportunities for kiddies to yell "first message, first message"...

XCWarrior

#110

XCWarrior said:

@Ian Daemon I will agree that is the one thing about this Web site that is very annoying. I don't understand the obsession....

owen1

#116

owen1 said:

@Bass X0 pain

@VC-r I see what you guys are trying to do but its all fail just the same. You've only managed to fragment the scoring system making it harder to tell if a game is really good (5) or average (3). With a 10 point scale reviewers are going to be tempted to put games in the 789 bracket but never a 10 because 10 is just a means absolutely nothing but the fact that the game was reviewed by a fanboi.

What you need to do was keep the 5 stars but add attributes to the ratings for example; best schmop, best multiplayer, best puzzle, best graphics, best music. So even if you give a game a 3 overall then you could still tach on a best multiplayer or best music on it and then people will be able to tell WHAT ACTUALLY STANDS OUT IN THE GAME.

7,8,9 ratings are stupid and show no more detail that 7.8 or 8.99999995. Good work on the update. Yall shoulda started a poll.

Bass_X0

#117

Bass_X0 said:

Hey, no need to crudely insult them just because you disagree with the change.

Fuun_Saiki

#118

Fuun_Saiki said:

I'm not tremendously enthusiastic about this change. I can understand the attraction in making scores out of 10 rather than 5, for accuracy, but that becomes pretty meaningless when you consider how heavily personal opinion will influence the decision of whether a game is worthwhile. In the face of this ratings mean nothing and by focusing more on them with an increased range it only serves to distract from the actual points of the review.

Also:

1 star = 1 or 2/10
2 stars = 3 or 4/10
3 stars = 5 or 6/10
4 stars = 7 or 8/10
5 stars = 9 or 10/10

So, have you changed your minds about some games?

Pj1

#119

Pj1 said:

A good thing about the new game ratings, Must have a look at some of the titles I've downloaded!

ness

#120

ness said:

@ Fuun Saiki (#119): "So, have you changed your minds about some games?"

Yes, they gave Yoshi's Story a 3/5, and now it has a 4/10.

@ Dazza (#102): "Long term we want WWW and VCR to be much more unified, the beginning of doing this is having the same rating scheme across the board."

There are so many magazines and websites where the rating scheme is different between WW and VC games, and this for a good reason...

And you still didn't answer about the following paragraph:

You didn't give a reason why it (MM2) does not deserve a 10/10. But that is not the point. Look at my examples (Donkey Kong Country, Super Mario Bros. 1, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Mario's Super Picross, Mega Man 2) to see what I mean. You didn't dwell on that subjects.

Luigi_La_Bouncy

#121

Luigi_La_Bouncy said:

I think this is the best thing you've ever done! Even though I don't agree with all your ratings, I think you overrate a lot of mediocre games as well as lay into some perfectly solid games, at least now I can agree 100% with your perfectly rated games! Before I got the impression you were chucking the 5 star rating around far too liberally. 5 stars could mean anything from 'decent at the time within its genre' to 'absolute gaming perfection'. Now you can click on the score filter and it doesn't come up with a squillion perfectly scored games. Cut a long story short I'm one happy gamer :-)

owen1

#123

owen1 said:

@Bass X0 It wasn't crude or insulting. Just stating my view as they asked.

There are a lot of 5 star games that I haven't downloaded. Just because its 5 star doesn't mean its good, it means that somebody likes it at a 5 star level. No if your coy enough to download all the 5 star games then thats your loss. This new rating system now only makes it HARDER to FIND THE 5-STAR GAMES because some of them will have 8s and 9s and 10s.

The new review scale is not going to help anything at all, fan-bois will always be fanbois, your faviourite game will now get a 7 instead of a 4 (which it deserves) and bad games will only be harder to spot.

Infact WW has a even harder time because ALL the games suck at some level ( well 90% of them compared to PONG/SMB1). Attributes/tags is the best solution I can come up with. :(

KeeperBvK

#124

KeeperBvK said:

Doubling the score range is a good idea, but I absolutely HATE that a game's site and its review are now separated like over at WWW. Means double the clicking with no benefit I could think of whatsoever except for potentially shorter loading times for a specifiv site...though they already are extremely short anyway.
.

Mqblank

#125

Mqblank said:

I really do feel sorry for the VCR guys. They spend a lot of time improving their ratings system (oops, better say changing as I may offend some people) and they get a load of complaints! One thing I can agree with Adam on is that when it comes down to it I don't even bother with the score, I read the REVIEW. Sure, the game got a 7, but you read the review to find out why it got a 7. If you can live with the faults detailed in the REVIEW then be free purchase the game. If the new scoring system has annoyed you that much then don't even look at them and don't bother with the site, but I doubt you will find a more in depth and well written VC site on the internet.
(Also can you please close this thread now and I can write Final Message, Final Message)[Note:Sarcasm doesn't work in text]

Clayfrd

#126

Clayfrd said:

I'm really opposed to this change. It's just so weird. I liked having all conversation taking place under the review... Oh, well. Perhaps I'll just keep posting under reviews.

President_Leever

#127

President_Leever said:

What's important is that the score reflects what is being said in the review. I don't like that you removed the user ratings, that was probably the best thing about the site.

Luigison

#128

Luigison said:

I also agree with your perfect tens, but think that Mega Man 2 also deserves 10/10. It was my first Mega Man game and I still think it's the best Mega Man ever so my views are probably skewed. A 9.5 score would probably be appropriate, but I don't think you should go to decimals for classic games (unless showing averages of old reviews).

Also, I'm glad to see the Blue's Journey was bumped up a point, but still think it deserves 6 or 7 out of ten while ToeJam & Earl should only get 1.

Regardless, I'm glad you guys went to the 10 point system. Congrats. Keep up the good reviews. That's what counts anyway.

Shinnok

#129

Shinnok said:

One thing you have to remember about opinions, is to never trust any but your own.

Bensei

#131

Bensei said:

I prefer the 10 Star ratings. 5 Star ratings also have usually Komma-ratings

Ferret75

#132

Ferret75 said:

It's that if they're going to give a game a certain rating, they need to explain why it being say a 5 is the reason it isn't a 6.

Example.
OoT has a 10/10, but the review barely talks about anything in the game.

Digiki

#135

Digiki said:

One more good thing about the new system is that it gives silly people almost 300 new opportunites, to get the first post

KeeperBvK

#137

KeeperBvK said:

"Avoid at all costs, this is a miserable specimen of a game designed by Beezlebub himself."

It's Beelzebub. ;)

Kobayashi

#138

Kobayashi said:

Well, after this change, I lost completely the interest to check new reviews of this site.

Good luck, VC Reviews.

stinssd

#140

stinssd said:

Here's what I would like to see: multiple ratings based on multiple reviewers, the same way EGM and other magazines used to do--it provides a different perspective on the same release.

Also, consider having a post-review, another reviewer who later comes back to review a previously-reviewed title with a second look.

Captain_Konami

#141

Captain_Konami said:

Yeah, a review panel for each game would make the reviews more entertaining, in addition to their already being informational. And the variety of viewpoints would help give a more comprehensive recommendation to those coming from different perspectives themselves who are looking for a good game, according their own tastes.

I remember the early Sushi-X led panels in EGM........it was almost more fun reading the persona than hearing about the games. :)

Ferret75

#142

Ferret75 said:

What they should do IMO is have a short Pros and Cons list at the bottom of reviews.
That would make the reviews awesome.

Cally

#144

Cally said:

@Captain Konami

Man, that still makes me sad. I used to absolutely love EGM before some new eds made it obnoxious.

@ Kobayashi

Aw, don't be like that. :( Just have fun duking it out on the boards! :P

Captain_Konami

#145

Captain_Konami said:

Yeah, all the classic enjoyable video game mags started out with so much character and fun, and then later just got eaten by the souless-cookie-cutter-mega-publishing-corp-disconnectedness

I've managed to hang on to a few stacks of the old EGMs, Nintendo Powers, and GamePros. Its good to have the reminder of what quality and effort looks like, for comparison with what is being published these days. A lot of the greatest stuff comes out when an industry is still in its youth, still fresh and adventurous. And then the money makers arrive to capitalize and standardize and minimize (the overhead) and suddenly MTV turns into VH1. :P
:)

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