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@TheDragonDAFan I don't think we're gonna see any of those, since those games are completely unrelated to Shadow. (I know Frontiers isn't either, but it's the most recent game in the series so that's probably why Chaos Island is in there),
It does seem we're getting Westopolis level, which makes sense, it'd be weird if the Shadow campaign skipped on a level of Shadow the Hedehog, specially if Black Doom is the main antagonist.

Ah he'll yeah! There was th concern that this was only gonna be a few levels, but if it's roughly thr dame length as Sonic's campaign, and WITHOUT classic Sonic, that's fantastic news!

Is sad but not surprising that, even with the creators coming out, and explaining in no uncertain terms "we didn't want to make these changes, we think they're stupid. But we've been told that we have to", there's still people on these comments defending thr blatant tampering of their vision.

@BlublacMH no, it hasn't. All that's happened is that certain groups with very extreme views weaseled their way into positions of power and now try to dictate what is and isn't allowed.

Neither the creators nor the consumers wanted any of these changes. And this interview has made it crystal clear that whoever it is at Square Enix's american branch that has been feeding these lies that "this is what westerners want" to the Japanese creators, they need to be found and fired.

@DreamlandGem ah, appreciated!
Apologies for bringing up something completely unrelated, I really didn't know the proper channel to ask.

@JohnnyMind yeah, I feel ya. It's kind of a hard choice to make, now it's been made clear that neither the audience nor the creators themselves want these types of changes (whether it's the censorship or the "type A and B" instead of male and female).
Ultimately, the only way this can be fixed is if the rot inside the American branches of companies like square is weeded out, (since they are the ones feeding the narrative that America has narrow and strict regulations, when that's a complete lie) but that's easier said than done.

It's up to each person really, I chose not to get the game (or, if I get it, it'll be either used or at a discount) because I dont want censored games on my shelf, but i don't blame anyone for still wanting it.

If you haven't played Dragon quest and wants to though, DQ11 is an easy recommendation! Excellent game.

I really liked the demo! Gotta pick it up some time.

I know it's off topic but I don't know where else to comment this.

Ain't y'all gonna report on that Yuji Horii interview at TGS?

You know, the one where he addresses why certain changes had to be made in DQ3 Remake?

Is it even legal to sue for patents filed after the release of the competing product? This seems kinda illegal to me.

@OwenGamer22 I'm kinda in thr same boat, I do really wanna pick this up, but the censorship is a deal breaker. I might get it used down the line (it's not liket he switch is lacking games to play).

I brought up Romancing Saga 2 in my initial comment cuz, from what I've seen, none of the designs seem to have been toned down (probably because its a more niche title that isn't big enough to get the attention of the ethics department/consultation companies/censorship Square associates with. I didn't care much for it in the dirext but the demo really turned me around on it.

@the_beaver kind of a disingenuous characterization.

Nobody is gonna be complaining about peach being covered up in a mario game, what most people are against is the censorship of games from the past made for the sake of people who probably wouldn't buy the game regardless (one example is censoring cleavage in female designs, like the female form is something to be frowned upon, but another is what Capcom is doing with the dead rising remake, removing line from a war veteran about communism, making one of the many psychopaths in that game white when he was originally Asian, or removing the "erotica" rating which was an optional type of bonus points you could get in the original).

It's more of a matter of respecting the original vision and not having american sensibilities forced in Japanese made products (which is something that HAS been happening, with the people behind it not even hiding it).

@DripDropCop146 rhats fair, if it doesn't bother you, go for it.
In my case, I'm sick and tired of seeing this happening. Specially when it comes to historic revisionism and altering products from the past for the sake of an audience that doesn't exist.

still censored. keeping me money.

looking forward to Romancing Saga 2 (played the Demo and was very impressed)

Batman and Shadow eh.....
....
SHADMAN?!! D:

@Kisame83 ooh boy, where to even begin.

You really gonna throw the "modern audience" argument? The modern audience games like Dustborn and Corcord were made for? The one Disney is desperately trying to chase with Star wars and their live action remakes that fix "problematic elements" of the originals? How's that going for them? How about Koie Tecmo? Wanna look at how much their sales for Dead or Alive 6 boomed after they decided to tone down the game's sexuality "for a modern audience" despite DoA5 being the most successful game I the series just years before?

The modern audience doesn't exist. All you do when uou try to chase it is remove elements people in your fnadom enjoyed and getting nothing in return. And I guarantee you this all stems from the west.
There's not a single person out there who's gonna look at the bikini armor with shrots and a shirt under and say "I wasn't gonna buy this game before but now I will!", while there's A LOT of people aren't gonna take this gutted version.

Nintendo had the right idea with Bayonetta 3, giving people the option to turn off her clothes vanishing during wicked weaves, and most people would be more than happy with a toggle, But they don't wanna make it optional.

@the_beaver buddy, I got over 100 games on my backlog, and I despise censorship. At the end of the day, games are entertainment and the Japanese ones in particular have been targeted by nonsensical censorship from the west.

So me, and other people are choosing to vote with our wallets. I'm not gonna lose sleep over not playing a single game.

@Kisame83 it's precisely that mentality that emboldens the people censoring games to keeping pushing further and further (just look at the Dead Rising remake, they changed an asian character into a white one because he's a psychopath, removed the fact that the soldier guy mentioned communism, and removed the "Erotica" rating, which was an actual way of earning points in the game). Heck, 2 of my favorite gaming franchises ever (Dead or Alive and Senran Kagura) are not DEAD because of this garbage that y'all keep supporting.

At this point, there's enough good games out there that DON'T capitulate to censorship. I much rather give my money to them, and if that means I'll miss out on some good games, so be it. it's not like I don't have a massive backlog to play through. And if don't think these types of changes are that big a deal, the least you can do is ask why they're even being made in the first place.

if there's ever a reason to lose faith in humanity, it's the fact that Outlaws is number one.

@bobrocks95 you know it wasn't him because there's no way in hell he would've approved putting pants and a shirt under the female warrior's bikini armor.

I don't care if you think I'm petty or childish for this, but putting the shirt under the female warrior's Bikini armor is unbelievably insulting.

It's such a digustingly lazy attempt at censorship, nobody would realistically wear that. not to mention Toriyama himself would never approve of this.

I really hate to be such a downer, but I'm just sick and tired of these types of changes and I can't really bring myself to support games that do this type of revisionism anymore. (and to all the people who say "why do you care? it's no big deal" well, if it wasn't a big deal, they shouldn't have changed it). at least Romancing Saga looks promising.

thanks Square, you just saved me some money.

@N00BiSH mate, your ascribing emotions to the me that simple don't have.
It's just a matter of principle for me: you censor a re-release of a game, I don't buy it. Simple as that.

Had they actually gone back and restored the removed dialogue in a patch, I would've given them the credit for it and even consider picking it up. But they chose not to, so they're not getting my money. I'm not going to compromise on my principles.

Rewarding behavior you support with while punishing behavior you condemn is a basic thing to do, specially when it comes to products.

I do respect them for not censoring the following games, but as the saying goes, trust is hard earned and easily lost. And a developer that responds to the backlash by saying, and I quote directly, “we forgot all about them when we first posted this FAQ! (Refering to the FAQ where they said nothing would be cut)” isn't doing a lot to earn back that trust.

And if spreading that information so people who may not have been aware of their actions eith the previous game can have that information and do with it as they please, then sorry, but I'm not sorry.

@N00BiSH I'm not bitter nor miserable, I never played Sam and Max before, but always had a passing interest. After all they did, they guaranteed they wouldn't get my business. I got more than enough to play anyway.

I don't tolerate censorship, specially not when it's made in secret, I just felt like commenting because I saw the headline in case someone else who doesnt like censorship has an interest in these games but isnt aware (then they can make that decision for themselves), before going back to not thinking about this game again.

And no. "They censored it but only a little bit" isn't an excuse that's gonna fly".

I was excited for these when the first remastered got announced but after it got revealed that they not only censored some jokes but also BLATANTLY lied about it (saying nothing would be cut or censored prior to the release), I'm not touching any of these games.

Type moon been on fire lately, first we get the Tsukihime and Mahoyo remakes, then Fate/Stay Night AND Hollow Ataraxia get official English releases and the first time ever, Now this?
Fate bros eating good.

@Lightsiyd it is. The original was a 3d beat em up created as a collaboration between Suda51 (of No more Heroes fame) and James Gunn. It's a really fun game.

@_Figo_ did they ever patched Symphonia?

My favorite tails of game!

I might pick this up but I'm very disappointed the western cover art is censored. does anyone know if it's only in the trailers?

@Darthmoogle yeah. I feel like this game does pretty much everything right, the twist to the boards makes it distinct from mario Party, and he minigames are fun in their own right, there's just not enough of them.

The only thing this game is really missing is more minigames.

for me it's
1) Off the Hook (Marina HARD carries)

2) Squid Sisters (I didn't have a Wii U but I respect the OGs)

3) Deep Cut (I don't like their designs. I never got over how hideous to look at Frye in particular it. Shiver is kinda whatever and Big Man is the only good one).

@Samalik that's why I said ALMOST unanimous. People had criticisms which is fair, but the reception was widely positive

as for why I believe he could do it, He was in charge of writing the comics since 2006, and managed several stories happening in different points at once, he knows how to make world building and create a dense story with many moving parts.

@Samalik not at all. Man knows about Sonic lore more than anyone. Knows how to create hype and emotional moments, and been proving himself the best for the job when writing sonic, and now that he wrote Frontiers and it got almost unanimous praise online for its story, I can't think of a better person for the job.

Considering Sega owns Atlus, they absolutely should! Get Ian Flynn as writer, the Atlus team developing, and that's a recipe for success.

Chrollo: "indoor fish"
But he's in the outdoor stage xD

Gimme NiER Replicant, Kingdom Hearts (not cloud), and senran Kagura and I'm happy.

Scott the Woz bouta havhave field day with this one

It's cool that these games are here but... am I the only one who gets a bit frustrated that Capcom doesn't rerelease their "3D" era fighting games? like, where's Street Fighter 4 and 5 and MvC3?! it's always just the sprite based ones.

@nhSnork indeed. and there was also the legit concern that they might try to "Modern Audience" it. thankfully the Devs have been very forthcoming about not removing any of the outfits or censoring the game in and form. the only thing that is still up in the air is the Anime crossover costumes but I hope they somehow manage keep those in (though I belive people will understand if those don't come back since it'd be a licensing issue)

@NatiaAdamo yeah, I'm hoping that, with Shadow Generations, we'll start seeing humans pop up again. Humans are a major part of Shadow's story and there was recently a Sonic Channel art showing Elise with Silver. It's good to see Sonic Team becoming more confident about the franchise's history again.

@nhSnork I imagine the reason why they didn't announce the Switch version before was because this project was originally gonna be a Remake, but they scaled it down to be a remaster instead.

@GameOtaku same, the Crossover outfits were amazing (and the world of 2024 is not ready to learn of the existence of Manyuu Hikencho and I REALLY want it to xD)

@SalvorHardin I mean unlike filoni, the Sonic franchise DOES have a lot of holes that need to be fixed storywise. And Ian is really good at filling those holes without just disregarding what came before. Part of the reason frontiers story was so good was how well Tails was handled ans how his insecurities in Forces were addressed.

Can't way for a game to come out of nowhere, take the world by storm, earn countless accolades and praise from both critics and audiences.. then have its studio shut down but this time it'll have had a multiplat release

“we were absolutely not trying to provide social commentary"
And that's the objectively correct stance to take. The last thing nintendo needs to do is ruin their family friendly public image by trying to virtue signal by pandering to less than 5% of the world population. Disney has gone that route and look how it's working out for them.

Mind you, people are free to live and believe in whatever they like, but this idiotic and obsessive need for "representation" in every piece of media does nothing to make people more accepting, in fact, it does precisely the opposite.

Gay characters have existed since the 90s and they were always accepted, as recently, I'd say Sylvando in DQ11 is one of the best. But that's because he exists as any other character and gets no special treatment. Trying to put these characters on a pedestal will only make people more annoyed as they exist almost exclusively to send a message.

looks really nice.

now they gotta update their localizing team by getting rid of most of them.

I git excited for a slipt second before I finished reading the title.

Engage's problem was discarding the story and character side of things for the sake of the gameplay.
Ideally, the next fire emblem would marry the two aspects. Have combat and customization of units as free as Engage's but have a story and world building on par with three houses.

@HeadPirate I don't disagree that moderation is a thing, the issue is that such localizers act like they speak for the general audience when they really don't.
bringing it back to the examples: Xenoblade X is not the first game to feature a boob slider in a character creation, nor will be the last. even in the west, several games, there's several games rated T that include that feature. and First Party Nintendo games don't "Look" for a publisher, their localization is made in-house by a branch of their own company. and it's usually just a handful of people (who, again, had no involvement with the creation of the game, so the creative vision is not their to tamper with. You're correct to say that "Nintendo of America has the right to not want boob sliders in their games", but a game made by the japanese Studio is NOT their game. And they have the exclusive right to provide the ONLY official means for people in the west to play those games, so my stance is that it's not their place to alter/remove content made by another studio, As I mentioned in the comment above, to me, Localization is making sure the story the intend of original creator gets conveyed in the most understandable way possible in a new language, some adaptations need to be made here like in songs, jokes, and some other circumstances, but ultimately it shouldn't involve altering parts of the original work because the localizer either has a problem with it, or thing some people will have a problem with it).

I understand and agree that there are guidelines to be followed. that's why the ESRB exists. but I can say that no one is obligated to make arbitrary changes to content that is already inside said guidelines, that's basically what it often comes down to.

lastly, again, government censorship is not the only form of censorship that exists. Playstation mandates censorship of several M rated japanese games that get released with it's content unchanged on Switch. and the age rating is exactly the same in both versions. and it's been well established and documented that this policy was implemented around 2015 when Playstation's HQ moved from Japan to California. and it has no guidelines (meaning they judge on a case by case basis without clear dos and don'ts), disregards whether or not the game has already been approved by the ESRB and is applied unevenly (as Last of Us 2 and Baldur's Gate 3 get to have full on sex scenes and full frontal nudity, but many visual novels from Japan need to have their ecchi scenes, which never feature full nudity by the way, to get the breasts covered by flashes of light.)

and it's no straw man to say that there's people trying to alter content in games due to ideology, while the Sweet Baby Inc. debacle was at it's highest, a video of Kim Belair (CEO of SBI) surfaced where she very openly talks about how they "have a coffee with the PR team and terrify them with the idea of what's gonna happen if they don't give you what you want", we also had Crunchyroll (or was it funimationo?) Localizers talking about how they despise certain material in some Manga and Anime they localize and actively seek to change lines.

But I digress, if nothing else, I appreciate having a respectful conversation!