Marvel's Midnight Suns On Switch "No Longer Planned"

Dang it. Welp will get it on deep discount on xbox. Storm looking amazing as always though!

I still just want X-men Legends 3.

It didn't sell well on other platforms and probably would sell less well on Switch with what would probably be a gimped version of the game.

Man, having a Steam Deck really muted the disappointment of this news.

If this is getting the cut then I wonder what’ll happen with Hogwarts Legacy. Heard it was good, not my cup of tea.

Well at leas they admitted it unlike some people Cough Cough (Genshin) Cough

@PepperMintRex As far as I know that game was a commercial success and the Switch version will be released relatively soon so I don't think that this is an indicator of anything.

They messed up by not releasing this on the Switch with the others or first. So they failed miserably. Good, I love it when bad business decisions haunt developers.

@PepperMintRex Hogwart's was the biggest success of 2023 so far. They want to capture more sales. I think the PS4 release is this week or something.

Welp, that's a bummer. Can't get em all.

@Snatcher I think Mihoyo will never admit they can't make the jump to the Switch

as PS4/Xbox one releases slow to a trickle, I expect to be seeing this happen a lot more for the poor old Switch.

if ever there was a time for a new hardware update, this is definitely the era for it.

Darn. Sounds like a good game.

Very funny........ New switch 2, please.

Seems like a combination of poor sales and much more work needed. If it was done and dusted then they would surely drop it - if only in digital format because if it is finished then why not.

Unfortunately, the extra optimisation on Switch has likely cost it a release with other platforms and then poor sales have meant it isn't profitable to finish.

@CharlieGirl It is getting there; but it is still ripping software sales so I wouldn't call it a hurry yet. It is all about timing to keep Sony in a poor position. At this point I think MS is just sticking around to not just give Sony the market.

Mark my words - March 2024.

@Bobb I feel like the switch could run it pretty well if ported correctly, Ported correctly! But for some reason, they just won’t admit they don’t want to port it to switch, that and hoyo kinda has a something going on with Sony, they definitely aren’t porting it to switch anymore lmao!

@Cashews

I think MS is more likely to be sticking around because Xbox makes MS a lot of money, with revenue increasing in most areas of its gaming business recently. Why on Earth would Microsoft not stick around when Xbox continues to make them so much money?

@Cashews I can see that.
I believe that, at the very least, an announcement of new Nintendo hardware will be made this coming winter.

@lighteningbolt79 Lol. The gaming revenue is a joke compared to their other divisions. It is an embarrassment. They spend more on gaming than it is worth.

Gaming revenue 2022: 4.7B for a loss of 700M.
Cloud: 27.1B
OS/Office: 30.1B
etc

They'd likely be better off abandoning gaming and focusing more on the core - but the old reason they got in it - as a means to block Sony in the OS/Entertainment game - likely is the reason to stay in.

And nothing of value was lost.

Marvel Snaps a better card game and it's free.

@Magician I mean, what do you put in a turn-based game without rampant photorealism to have to "gimp" it afterwards on the same console that runs your studio's Civilization VI and your publisher's even more action-packed Bioshock and Borderlands?😅The situation may evoke Steep flashbacks but the trailers certainly never looked like Steep in terms of estimated hardware toll. Perhaps it's another instance of someone running into an optimization dead end while juggling several platform deadlines, then out of time/budget to retrace their steps. Then again, if Song of Memories eventually resurfaced from a similar cancellation...

@Bobb if they made a jump to phones like my own Poco F1 (which has proven to be a relative potato in other scenarios), a dedicated 2017 game machine with more tangible cooling shouldn't certainly doesn't sound like something insurmountable.

@CharlieGirl here is why I think they won't do that. If they announce this winter they will cannibalize Xmas sales of games or new console sales. They will also show Sony/MS their hand on new hardware a bit early imo. You cannot go too early or the other two can adjust their own manufacture to race or beat them if they think Nintendo has something.

2cents. I really think they will get some Xmas 2023 sales...then wait a bit and let everyone feel all snuggily - then hit us with the new stuff. 9 months from today is my best educated guess. Sony is patting themselves on the back for a waaaaay LTTP PS5 while Nintendo is knee deep in development. I'd bet your eternal soul they have a game or five in beta for the next deal.

@Cashews

Can I see the source for those figures, because if they are the figures I think they are, you are interpreting them incorrectly.

@lighteningbolt79 i'm not linking. search ms gaming, cloud, software revenue etc.

MS revenue is double sonys. Gaming is simply a blocker to keep Sony heeled. They have said as much many times. Sony is talented enough to do it MS knows this.

@Snatcher
Yes, if it's taking them this long to port the game, then it's really not even worth porting to begin with. However, it's quite strange to see that for a game that has limited-time events and has been proven to run on mobile hardware already. The Switch should be instantly an easy port if the architecture is the same as some phones.

I legit forgot this even existed.

2K Games are forgettable.

@Cashews

Just to be clear, it seems you have intrepreted those figures incorrectly, or worded your comment in a poor way.

Sony does have greated revenue from PS, but that doesn't mean Xbox has a tiny revenue.

@nhSnork @Snatcher I like Genshin Impact but I think it's pretty poorly optimized. The phone version file size is over 17gb. I don't think MiHoyo has the know-how to port it into the Switch without massive downgrades

@Cashews I agree that announcing a new console in the winter is a terrible idea, but it is kind if funny thinking that Nintendo is actively in a race against Sony and Microsoft still. New hardware from Nintendo isn’t really effecting either of them considering the niche Nintendo has carved for itself.

It’s honestly hard to say what Nintendos plan is with a potential hardware upgrade. Eventually they will need to upgrade to keep third party developers in the nest, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they milked the current model for another couple years to capitalize on the insane install base.

A bit of a shame for those looking forward to a switch port. This game is actually pretty good, even if it is a little too campy.

@SpoonySpoons i think they need a new model to keep the emulators at bay that are currently absorbing their sales

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I'm honestly really bummed by this. I'm a huge X-Men fanboy, and it has some of my favorite characters on the roster.

Well... I guess thats more time to dedicate to playing TotK, and Splatoon 3

@Cashews winter doesn't necessarily mean December. I would expect such an announcement to be made in a February direct.

@lighteningbolt79

Yeah, I don't think Microsoft cares that much at all. Sure they want to be as profitable as any company out there , but they don't mind making the investments because they're planning for the future and play the long game. Unlike sony they know that they can absorb it and it isn't that big a deal to them in the long run as they set up for the future. A lot of that loss was to set up future plans like Game Pass and stuff like that wish they were ahead of the curve on quite frankly. The only way I see them just bowing out is if they get bored for real.

@Bobb This is true, the ps5 is the best version of the game, and the ps4 version, is uh, well it shows me that they didn’t know how to port a game lmao!and it sucks too because I actually really enjoy the game and I would love to have it on my switch.

@CharlieGirl “as PS4/Xbox one releases slow to a trickle, I expect to be seeing this happen a lot more for the poor old Switch.” That’s quite the stretch, and probably some wishful thinking if I’m not mistaken. The number of PS5 exclusives is and remains tiny for the foreseeable future, and I say this as someone who likes the system.

@ModdedInkling if I was trying to be hopeful, then I think that they just didn’t know how to port it, since the ps4 version was ported so awfully. However it’s been like three years already, I will give them another but I wouldnt count on it.

It'll probably come over when the successor drops. Although there are so many great tactics games on Switch atm that I'm not sure I'd have time for it even then.

"No reason has been given for the Switch port's cancellation."

Does there need to be one? If you've played the game, first guess, underpowered hardware. Developers unable to satisfactorily achieve their vision on the platform with performance acceptable to their standards.

Might be seeing more of this as the Switch hardware is getting a little long in the tooth, and personally I'm okay with that. Bring on your next gen, Nintendo.

I think they were trying to make a native Switch port instead of a cloud version. But the best theory is that the development team weren't able to make a stable and playable version of it. Also, they only said Midnight Suns is not planned on Switch, not on Nintendo systems. So we could see it launch on next-gen hardware in a few months.

@Friendly Nah, at this point emulation isn’t really doing anything to them. Its been an issue since year 1, but there’s been zero data to indicate sales and revenue are slowing down because of it. Obviously it’d be a bad idea for them not to play hardball with it, but thats hardly a reason for a hardware upgrade.

Acclaimed by who? Everyone hates it.
No one wants a darn card game!

Given the game kept getting delayed to begin with then flopped I'm not really surprised they're not continuing to bother with working to do a port that probably wouldn't actually help much.

Welp that's a bummer! I had been looking forward to giving it a go. Guess I'll have to dust off the PS4...

@Friendly If you’re referring to the tiny number of people using emulators to play Nintendo games on the PC, I can’t imagine Nintendo is too fussed giving their sales numbers.

@gonzilla While I don’t doubt that Marvel's Midnight Suns requires next hardware to achieve their vision, I still can’t help but suspect that they have other reasons for cancelling.

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It feels like every time a game is cancelled we get a flood of people explaining how this is clearly the final nail in the coffin and Nintendo needs to announce the Pro this week or go out of business.

Don't blame them at all, I don't see why anyone would put a new third party title on switch in 2023, better to wait for nintendo to put out a new system that can actually keep up with the next gen performance- wise.

Well, that's a shame. I didn't have much faith the game would run very well on Switch without some major concessions, but still, it would have been cool if they could have made it work, and the lack of a Switch port means less people will have the opportunity to try it out. The game is absolutely worth picking up if you have another console for it though. The battle system is genuinely one of my favorites in recent memory!

@Spider-Kev no one = you XD

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

@Spider-Kev The game doesn't have the best writing, with many people finding it to be outright bad in some cases, but the combat is genuinely excellent, and just about every review of the game will tell you so.
There are also plenty of us out here who enjoy card based combat. If you don't think that card based battles can be fun (I honestly get it, I used to think so too), I would recommend checking out Slay the Spire or SteamWorld Quest.

@HOUSE It doesn't run that well on it, tho.

It’s a great game. Not disappointed it’s missing switch at all. I enjoyed it on ps5

@SpoonySpoons I do not think Nintendo is in a race against MS. I do think they are in a race with Sony - as they are both Japanese and in the same business more or less. I feel that Nintendo is more actively taking on Disney right now. A long way from head-to-head...but some early steps.

@lighteningbolt79 Xbox has tiny revenue compared to their other divisions. Sony has revenue half of what MS has. It was plain.

@Snatcher I’m still waiting for Genshin to come to Switch.

@Cashews while I agree with your logic about not hampering Xmas sales, Nintendo did announce the Switch in October 2016 for a March 2017 release.

Admittedly it’s not a direct comparison, as the Wii U was struggling for sales already, but the 3DS wasn’t doing badly, and they had the NES Classic chipping in too.

The main thing for me is that they’ve still not shown any first party titles beyond Tears and Pikmin 4. I don’t doubt they have stuff planned for Q3/4, and they do like to surprise us, but right now there’s nothing really driving Xmas sales anyway.

Good ol player expectations. You marketed the game as made by the X-Com devs and then change the X-Com combat style. I have played the game and I know it's good, but I am disappointed cause of the marketing. There's also a nagging feeling that they were going to go full 2k and MTX the cards so you can buy your way through areas. It's just a feeling and I have no proof of it. I can admit that, but maybe other people felt it too?

Pretty much everyone who plays this game loves it. Reviews are extremely positive. Yet it didn't sell.

When that happens, you don't abandon the project, you figure out what you did wrong (in this case, the release window was awful and they didn't market it) and redouble your sales efforts. You KNOW you have a good product, you just need to get it out there.

The switch port was likely cancelled because switch ports are hard, and they are going to assign as many people as possible to a very quick turn around expansion. It's a common tactic when this happens (one Firaxis games has used before) because you can use the release of the expansion to justify a huge marketing push and make sure the release window is more favorable this time.

@HOUSE I've put almost 120 hours in this on Steam Deck. Great game for handheld.

Damn, I already got it on PS5 and was planning to double dip to support the company and the game cuz it's a genuinly fantastic superhero game, but I guess that ain't happening lol

I'm not very interested in the relationship-building between battles.

Not buying then. My PS5 is for exclusive use of Fortnite and FFXVI when it releases.

What a shame, this seems like it would’ve been a perfect game to play on handheld. Sigh.

@CharlieGirl I’m considering not buying tears of the kingdom until switch 1/2 cross compatibility is announced

@Spider-Kev Please go play Slay the Spire and Inscryption right now so you can fix your very incorrect stance on card games.

(But like... you're not wrong. I'm pretty sure thats the reason it didn't sell as well as they hoped)

@Snatcher Yeah, but difference is, Genshin wouldn't need to be gimped on Switch as it's like a less demanding version of BoTW in-terms of its scope, graphics, and mechanics. The Genshin situation is just a 🤡 show whereas this makes sense given the superior versions of the game flopped hard so why waste further resources for a version that will do even worse.

Looks like the Midnight Sun has set on the Switch version.

I’ll show myself out.

@Ryu_Niiyama yeah you’re so on the mark there. I loved X-men legends and would be ecstatic for a return. Marvel ultimate alliance I like to but I’d rather have X-men heroes pitted up against their own villlains, also slicing up sentinels is always a good time.

I’m not all that surprised with this news as it wasn’t running great to begin with and got delayed, I wonder if the same thing will happen with hogwarts legacy? I’ll probably get this on the Xbox now that the final dlc has released on a sale.

@TYRANACLES too bad Raven Software is stuck in call of duty purgatory.

Meh I play it on Steam Deck, wasn't my cup of tea anyways, same for Avengers. MARVEL games nowadays if they are not made by Activision, Sega, Sony, or Capcom then they are terrible or mediocre.

@Spider-Kev it’s a great game.

Get off my internet, not nerd.

To the 100 million Switch owners who didn’t own a Wii U…

I have so many back logged games this wasn't and wouldn't be on my radar. So ok.. *tear

I don't think it's a game with enough broad appeal like Hogwarts Legacy to warrant a delayed Switch port TBH. And that's assuming it'd have been optimized well and not another subpar port.

@Ryu_Niiyama Loved X-Men Legends and Ultimate Alliance. Sadly Ultimate Alliance 3 was the result of a monkey's paw wish where it happened at the cost of being a poorly made Switch exclusive, so I'd be worried for a new X-Men Legends game.

@HOUSE

Meh, nobody should be feeling this thing about this either way. As most people have another option these days. And if they don't, there's more than enough games on the switch to play these days to be that bummed out over it. This isn't the Uber exaggerated Wii U scenario. Ironically, even though I have the means to play it, they were only going to get my money for the game if they put it on the Switch. As I might have given it a go there, but was never excited enough about it to buy a copy of it for my other console. The backlog on the home front is crazy enough as is. However it did look like something that could whittle away time when it's slow at work. Which is where I would have warranted a purchase in my eyes.

So they effectively saved me at least $120; as I was going to buy my nephew a copy too. I just told him that it was canceled for Switch & he was pretty much like 🤷🏻‍♂️ and asked could he get another game. Moral of the story is that someone will always be willing to take the money if you don't want it LOL

@FawfulsFury that sounds like a good idea, to be honest

@TaterSlap69 I double dipped on Ps5 and Steamdeck to support the developers…. Granted, I got both on sale.

At this point in its lifecycle, if something is cancelled for such a succesful console as the Switch, you can guess that its for technical reasons, which means maybe it can still come to its successor. But only if the game itself is successful enough to still be ported there.

I still can't believe why such a good game couldn't sell. Maybe giving it another lease of life on Nintendo's Switch would have helped with its sales. In other words, what a foolish decision to cancel that version.

because we are too lazy to port it and make millions off of the Switch!! BRAVO GUYS!!!

Well, that's a shame but can't say I'm too surprised with how little we've heard/seen about this Switch port and how this game apparently underperformed on other consoles which I imagine would cause Disney to not want to risk a version that would require additional time and resources.

This game flopped so no surprise they don’t want to commit to more platforms.

@PepperMintRex
My mother-in-law is patiently waiting for her Switch version in July, while we had the PS5 version pre-ordered. It's been a point of contention in the family. ; )

Folks: Don't lament this too much - it is God awful. The combat and strategy aspects are fun, but the writing is so bad that I am kicking myself for not being able to return my PC version. The level of cringe is off the scale - so bad that I uninstalled and will never go back to it. And I'm an 80's kid raised on Marvel. No thank you, no more please!

I strongly believe we lost nothing of value.

@shoeses I didn’t see 3 as too much different than 2 (meaning I enjoyed it for what it was) so I would be fine with seeing another but still prefer raven software to come back.

Makes sense, I doubt it would run very well.

The game is amazing! Highly recommended it! Don’t skip on this one if you like Strategy RPG games.

I don't think this was going to run well on Switch and I think they realised there was too much work to make it run. Easier to just bail. Cowards.

@Ryu_Niiyama Oh no, from a gameplay perspective it was fine, but it ran and looked not great even for a Switch game. Even then with all the DLC the roaster was basically just that of the first game with a few new faces, except you had to pay way more extra this time.

@Snatcher I wonder what the hell is going on with Genshin on Switch. I've been waiting over two years because I've been holding out for the Switch version, lol

@Cashews Comments like this that pop up any and every time there's an article about a port on Nintendo hardware makes me wonder why companies even bother. If it's not a perfect port you complain, if it's an optimized port you complain, and if they don't port it you complain. So why not just always take Option C and not port it if the consumer is gonna complain no matter what??

And yeah, I'm sure not spending resources on a port for the only Platform the game isn't on and would only get the developer ire from the community is gonna devastate the company. How? Don't ask - they'll be bankrupt tomorrow because it's that tragic for them.

It’s a brilliant game - I would have played through it again on Switch so disappointed in this.

Some of the comments on this thread are embarrassing - extremely childish

@JustMonika I would just start it if you can personally, I got tired of waiting, they most likely will add cross progression hopefully if they do it anyway like the other versions.

Good. Switch has trash hardware.

@gonzilla pretty much this. I've had a very glitchy performance running this game on Steam Deck. On my PC, I hardly can play when I want to because they seem to drop a huge patch just about every time I want to play the game lol. My brother picked the game up on sale for his windows PC and can barely play it due to constant freezes. I don't know how it fairs on console, though I would assume better due to more targeted optimization. But it doesn't surprise me that they gave up on Switch. X-Com 2 feels like it is held together by glue and duct tape on Switch lol.

@theModestMouse For the record - Marvel Champions LCG is currently the best Marvel-themed card game around.

Not going to lie, I'm extremely disappointed. I was really looking forward to this game, and it is the perfect kind for an on the go platform. I guess I'll just have to get it on pc... on a suuuper deep discount. Definitely not paying full price if they want to string everyone along for years.