The_Nintendo_Expat

"...the fact that Xenoblade is name-dropped indicates that the writer of this particular scene [...] is aware of the RPG series from developer Monolith Soft."

good point lol

why can't first party Nintendo controllers of all kinds just exist on store shelves?

these are dollar store games. they aren't awful but 35 dollars is insane.

@Suketoudara

"I'd like a collection with the console versions of Street Fighter instead of the arcade ones. Particularly the SNES versions of Street Fighter 2! Also the Street Fighter EX games have yet to be re-released in a collection."

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🥳

To this day, SF2 and SF2Turbo on SNES are really the only versions of that game that I really care to play. the sound is so much better, for one! when I bought the SF collection on switch I was disappointed to find that I missed the experience of playing the various console ports of these games more than I really wanted a direct arcade conversion at home.

@Ogbert

it's been a long time, but here's what I remember about triforce heroes:

first off, I was still a Nintendo fan, with no asterisk. they were different times! 😅

my wife and I both had 2DSes, and I bought us both a copy of this thinking we'd have fun working through the dungeons together.

Nope! turns out this is the world's first and to my knowledge only 1 OR 3 player game! and since I'd already opened them, they couldn't be returned.

I was pretty bummed. I still haven't played that game and I can't imagine how or when we would have a third person around to play through it together.

really odd. how much more appealing would a TWO player co op Zelda game be? I mean really.

anyway that's my beef with triforce heroes 😂✌️

no such thing as a "normal noise" in this category.

@HolyGeez03

I apologize for taking your name in vain. 🥴✌️

I see the thought police are out in force in these comments.

@KidSparta

Metroid has always been Zelda from the side. (or in the case of Prime, Ocarina in first person) 👍

OTOH I'd argue that Windwaker gives you the least amount of "things to do between major areas" of just about any Zelda game, and my fear (which you've unlocked 😂) is that this Metroid game will be like that.

holy GEEZ look at those cobblestones!

fake problem.

sell me a digital file of which I can make a backup copy if i so choose.

@HammerKirby

really well said, and great examples! I feel the same way you do. particularly with "tank controls" a la RE, the fact that people can't see the good and bad about different approaches is sad, to me.

OTOH don't make jump some weird button! 😂 we all have our rules and ideas, right?

@Filthy

you are right, I didn't have the investment in most of those launches that I do in Nintendo launches, so my feelings were just different towards those. 🤔 (though I was there for the Wii U at launch and IMO the feeling at least on the "inside" was pretty positive early on, and then BOTW came out 👍 I was a happy Wii u owner tbh.)

and, I haven't followed social media since 2011 so there ya go 😂 thanks for replying!

Switch 2 is rotten. I've never seen or felt so much negativity around a new console's launch. even jaguar and 32x seemed to have less bad feelings in the first few months.

and, I refuse to blame "the fans."

31% - yes
23(.3)% - just interested in one of the games
45% - essentially "no"

I don't think there are many Nintendo fans for whom this isn't an auto buy for the right price, including myself. I'd buy day 1 at 50 but I have principles and at this point, more sense than money. (and I've bought these games more than once already 😆)

PS - "I'm not sure about the price" is not really the right wording lol. Anyone checking that box likely knows what they think of the price 😂

@Itsashame

touché! perhaps saving on directs wouldn't offset the cost of a price drop, but as I have been saying, over-priced plus over-promoted is a bad look, to me.

incidentally, I said 'save money on directs AND announce a 50 dollar price," not TO. I wasn't intentionally implying that they could recoup 20 bucks/copy just by omitting a direct, but I can see how it could be read that way. ✌️

(EDIT - alas, I didn't say 'and' OR 'to' 😂 ah well I've said enough here 😅✌️)

This was Nintendo's chance to make a 50 dollar tier (remember all those years ago when 70 for TOTK was justified because "well, it's Zelda...?") and instead they let me know beyond question that even offbeat sequels to mediocre spinoff games in their more "casual" franchises will be 70+ dollars. So the more they promote it, at this point, the more it looks like money and good will down the toilet. regardless of if this game makes profit.

@15roundTKO

this is a sequel, not a remake. but somehow you're still not wrong 😂✌️

@Oldstalk

I'm sure they wouldn't do it if it didn't lead to more money some how or other. I'm more concerned with reasonable prices than Nintendo's profits.

personally, when fans are decrying over-marketing and high prices at the same time, it's not the greatest situation, regardless of context. I've said this 2 or three different ways across my original post and these replies. 👍

@Itsashame

I have no idea what it costs! I imagine it's the result of the labor of a team of people, including planners and personal assistants, graphics people, sound people, et al. nothing that a group of professionals and executives does is is cheap, and it's maybe far more expensive than you'd guess. this is part of an ad campaign and that ad campaign is part of what leads to the MSRP of the game, perhaps minimally as you say but it's all in the balance.

@mystman12

"A game that hasn't released yet literally cannot speak for itself so the only option for building up excitement is to show and tell."

this is a good point.
if you like this sort of stuff, more power to you. 👍 I'm not here to take anything away from anyone ✌️

@N00BiSH

"In the olden days when we didn't like something we just walked the other way and gave them no words. Can't do that anymore."

"I don't see the salient point of complaining about getting more information on a game"

here you are "kvetching" about my comment. how deliciously ironic. 😂👍

(ps- my point, in so many words, was something like, "no amount of fluff will make up for the game being 20 dollars overpriced IMHO.")

@HammerKirby

" I think the physics requiring a bit more commitment to Mario's running jump may be outdated to some. Not me though."

I swear, people seem to want every game to play exactly the same! and, to have brain dead movement that requires no "feel" to master.

thanks for answering my question, I think you are onto something here.

@N00BiSH

"do we have to call anything we don't like fluff nowadays."

"fluff" is all the extra marketing and PR around a game. it's a specific thing, and there is no "fluff" that I personally like. 👍 YMMV, but I was making a point not just b*tching about fluff as you've implied.

PS - I've been following the videogame industry and talking about the ads/marketing/speculation et al with my friends since I was a kid. when the Internet started, I started doing it with strangers on the internet. I'm not sure what "olden days" you speak of but you and I are still welcome to ignore the people who wish to have words about these things. though I do enjoy talking to you on here. 😊✌️

25 dollars for what I'm assuming is a flat piece of cardboard that you have to fold yourself. could've been just free for subscribers upon request. (but Nintendo hasn't done much to foster this kind of good will with fans in a very long time.)

good games speak for themselves, don't need all this fluff.

save the money from these directs, replace them with a 50 dollar price announcement and watch the people line up to purchase. too late.

@sixrings

TBH I feel the same way but I think we are both going to have to accept that not everyone is playing at the same level and that's OK ✌️👍

it bothers me that people (especially Nintendo) insist that children are bad at games just because they themselves were/are, though. easy games bored me to tears as a child.

I have zero objectivity with this game, because it was my very first game, in 198X, introduced by my grandfather, and we played it over and over again until we finally beat it, and then we beat it over and over again. I was about 4. (I miss you every day, Grandpa.)

given that, here's my question:

"There's a lot here that feels a bit outdated by today's standards (from a 40-year-old game? Never!),"

what are the "lots" of things that feel outdated about this game? I'm really curious. because to me, this is a perfect game, and the only things "outdated" about it are the high challenge level, real penalties for game overs, and obv the old style graphics. ✌️ I'm curious what a much younger player sees as outdated besides those facts.

Thanks for the article! it was very amusing reading the few similarities and many differences in our experiences with this game! ✌️👍❤️

looks ***** horrible. I feel like Luke Wilson waking up in the future and Nintendo is the first thing I see.

@PinderSchloss

I agree with you, and I'll add: my income probably isn't "above average" but it's decent. I can afford 70-80 dollar and even 450 dollar things, that are worth it. In addition, videogames are important to me and Nintendo has historically been the important games company.

in other words, my business was theirs to lose. making less interesting games and hardware at increasingly higher prices is a good strategy if that's what they are trying to do.

@coolioam

it's not as hyperbolic as it may sound. I'm barely interested in anything Nintendo has done in years, and now they've put even less interesting games behind a massive 450.00 + 80.00 pro-con paywall, and are trying to normalize 80 dollar games. I don't recognize my former favorite games company anymore, and I'm ready to let them go. ✌️

I completely forgot this series existed and I had no idea there were so many games! I love all the vintage Megaman representation on switch 👍

Oh, Nintendo. You've lost my business.

I think another way of celebrating Virtual Boy would be to make better sequels to some of its good games.

I've played enough virtual boy for one lifetime personally.

@MysteriousMudkip

"if i remember correctly, the game that added switch mouse support was hypnospace outlaw, which came after stardew"

either I'm missing something essential about how mouse compatibility works on switch or that doesn't make sense. ✌️

switch has always been mouse compatible. I always for some reason assumed I could hook up a mouse to my switch and play stardew any time I wanted, this whole time 🤔

@GrailUK

IIRC Lufia on SNES had a "summon helper" system. ✌️

EDIT - I googled it. it was Lufia II, they were called "capsule monsters," they had elemental traits and there were 7 of them. the game came out almost exactly 1 year before Pokemon in Japan and about 2 and a half years before in the west.

games like Prince of Persia 3D end up on "worst games" lists for stuff like this (among other things lol.)

@Tom-Massey

I can see your points, and agree to various extents.

honestly, going in I thought "I don't envy this reviewer." it's tough.

It almost calls for multiple scores, one for the game content and one for the "package." the review format as it stands really works better for new games, as standalone releases. but, that's not your fault and "it is what it is," to a certain extent.

obviously you've put a lot of thought and work into this, and at the end of the day, that's all I can ask! we appreciate your candor, and thoroughness in your replies.

thanks, Tom!

patents?

make interesting hardware and games, please.

I haven't played this game but it sounds like almost everyone would be at least a little happier with fewer double damage dealing enemies.

at the risk of sounding ableist, I keep my controllers next to my console, and I walk up there when I want to play videogames.

@Pak-Man

I agree!

therefore, all the reviewer had to say, was "let's get this out of the way right off: the Bubsy games are not good, technically."

then, the rest of the review could be about the compilation/package, which honestly is the only reason to review a release like this in the first place

@Suketoudara

completely agree.

this site regularly commits this sin, even sometimes having people who don't like an entire genre review games in that genre.

I mean really, what is the point? just don't review it then.

EDIT -

judgemental statements like this are gross:

"This, friends, is a stark reminder of the strength of nostalgia, an evocative sensation that can stir the heart and cloud the memory."

how does the writer know what is in the mind of a bubsy fan or anyone else? he doesn't. many of these fans probably remember these games rather well, and either like them anyway, or like them for their own reasons.

I found this review somewhat distasteful. and I can't stand bubsy lol.

And thus, the legend of "pre-nerf Silksong" is born.

I can't vote because I haven't played this game yet, but given the news that the game will updated/nerfed, it seems like at least one of the answers should be or include something like "too hard - bring on the nerfing!"

these are 5 essentially anti-nerfing poll answers, but the article is generally pro-current difficulty, as it is. perhaps intentional?

looks Zwei worse than the original.

updates/news like this really pour cold water on my interest in a game, for whatever reason.

didn't they work on this game for like 7 years? didn't they do testing before release?

I agree with others above: it seems like the review for a nostalgia-targeted compilation like this should be focused on emulation quality, completeness, extra features, menu design, et al. Anything but the games themselves (which aren't irrelevant but don't we have decades- long history of these games getting 4/10 type scores? what's the point of another?)

how about ports of these masterpieces, rather than inferior remakes?

@Rentaro

here, here! unfortunately I have now arrived at the position that I personally don't believe they have the talent or the desire to make the games I've been hoping for for years (...decades 💀) now.

@Rentaro

"Wave Race [...] how has Nintendo managed to ignore that game?"

if you believe the commentariat, it's because Mario kart is so popular/profitable they had no choice but to not release another new racing game for 10+ years.

(a new Fzero is top of my list, followed by Wave Race and excite[bike] ✌️)

@Kraven

"I’ve seen a lot of reviews that have said the game lacks originality in its gameplay. Despite reading this, I don’t see how it’s an actual issue. [...] 98% of games in this genre are the same."

I think the more cookie cutter games in a genre, the more imperative there is to stand out in some way ✌️

I feel the same way about metroidvanias these days. simply "being a metroidvania" used to be enough to stand out, but now with so many out there and more to come, most of them are just noise in the line for me. 👍