I don't say this lightly, but these are some corporate bootlicker type arguments. Like how is it good for the consumer to rebuy stuff because you lost access to the stuff you bought? 🤦♂️
@SalvorHardin have you only played the all stars version? In the original NES version you have to start the whole game all over unless you use the continue code.
@The_Nintendo_Pedant I've been guilty of that mindset in the past. And after playing games like Classic Castlevania, RE, Tomb Raider, etc. I've changed my mind on the whole thing. Learning the controls can absolutely be part of the fun of a game.
@Mgalens yea a shame that some dismiss them bc they try to play them like a Mario game. Having such a unique take on a common genre like platformers is part of what made gaming in the 90s so great.
@Jack_Goetz Metroid Prime 4 was revealed in 2017 actually (why on earth would they have revealed it before the Switch was even revealed?). Mario Kart World was quite fun to me and a lot of other people. Am I not a true fan because of that??? Nintendo console hardware has been underpowered since 2006 (debatably 2004) and that whole thing was reallt started by Iwata actually. Its not like the Wii and Wii U were super cheap either, especically the Wii U (I do like these consoles though). The Switch 2 at least has the excuse of being a portable device. You're allowed to have your own opinion, but you clearly don't have much perspective. Too trapped in your own outrage and disdain to see outside of that.
@Jack_Goetz You are simply one person who is entitled to his opinion, but Nintendo's output today clearly appeases more fans than its 2015 output. Splatoon and Mario Maker are about the only fan appeasing games released in 2015. Xenoblade X was super niche and even somewhat divisive at the time among its community for it's deviation from the original Xenoblade. I know Federation Force was 2016, but I picked it to represent the overall vibes of the era at the time to most fans. It was revealed in 2015 as well, so it was part of that year in a sense.
@Jack_Goetz 2015 was the era of Amiibo Festival, Federation Force, Mario Tennis Ultra Smash, etc. So I don't think fans online would've agreed with you at the time.
@Truegamer79 they're 64 gb. The main issue for most games (so far pretty much every key card is under 64 gb) is the cost of the carts more than the capacity, but this may be one of the games that actually can't fit. It was over 90 gb on ps4.
@Bizzyb its not like Cyberpunk ran that much better in terms of resolution and framerate but I get what you mean. (And like you said its just UE5 lmao)
@Bizzyb look at the comparsion. Switch 1 basically looks like a different game. Switch 2 Version is still quite comparable to the ps5 version visually on the other hand. They could've maybe just done the Switch 1 vers higher res and higher framerate on Switch 2 tho if they really wanted I guess.
@Nintendo4Sonic I really don't think Shadow Generations is any less automated than SA2. In fact if you took the boost away and make the base speed somewhat faster the levels would work pretty good as SA2 levels.
@Blast16 I mean both Switch and Wii U didn't have great third party support in the months after launch, but probably for different reasons than Switch 2 lmao.
@Blast16 Its not like most consoles launch with a ton of exclusive first party games. Most Nintendo systems only launch with 3 at most. And it gets worse when you look at original Japanese launch line ups instead of the beefed up US/EU ones from being delayed.
@Suketoudara Switch 1 games almost always specify if they require a download on the front cover. And just because a patch exists doesn't mean you have to download it.
Why did these type of comparsions always use composite video? They do know all 4 consoles from that generation are capable of much higher quality video, right? (I guess the publishers wouldn't really want a more fair comparsion though.)
@Samalik believe or not HD 2d games are quite a bit better on higher end hardware. They tend to hover around the 720p 30 range on Switch docked with effects that don't look as good. Not that they're unplayable or anything, but they are more demanding games than theg look.
Wonder why its a $50 game. Is it gonna be shorter than the other two? And yea this sucks. Square Enix actually just did it right with DQ 3 HD having a free Switch 2 patch. And Tactics did it right as well.
Shinobi Art of Vengenace looks awesome and I definitely plan on playing Star Crossed Worlds. Although as a physical collector, I am somewhat torn on whether I should just get the upgrade pack or shell out the money for the actual physical since its so expensive.
@Nintendo_Thumb Original Super Mario Bros has a certain appeal that no other Mario games have due to its simplicity. The levels are pretty all built so you can just run straight through them without stopping much which gives it that speedrun appeal. And the runtime is just short enough to where the simplicity doesn't get old and again it makes it replayable. I have learned to appreciate SMB1 more as I've gotten older. That being said, I would never argue its better than SMW,SMB3 or Wonder. But hey I get it.
I don't know why a lot of these lower end indie games are struggling performance wise on Switch that shouldn't be having any problems. It feels like game optimization is a lost art at this point.
@Yozora146_ you can still play great in Mario Kart with a wheel if you get really used to the tilt controls. Most are more used to the analog stick and it is generally more precise.
@beltmenot Realistically you're going to need to delete it eventually for storage reasons though. And then potientially redownload it if you wanna play it again. And if anything happens to your console when Nintendo inevitably shuts down the servers you're f*cked.
@electrolite77 like I said though, this would essentially allow people to pass their physical copy around and give all their friends a discount. For Hogwarts it just gives you the discount and doesn't even have a cart drm check for the download.
@electrolite77 All of those have upgrade paths for the physical copy? And like I said the Switch 2 Edition is Nintendo's way of offering an "official" upgrade path and it just doesn't work on games that are Key Cards. And that affects the digital version for parity's sake I guess. I think all this crap is kinda dumb, but as of now that's how it seemingly works.
@DonkeyKongBigBoy I mean if anything having access to the original version can be kind of preservation in another way. I do agree for a game like this that's going to be get a lot of updates that add content should maybe wait till all of that content is out and just do a physical release then.
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Re: Nintendo Is "Acting To Protect The Industry" With Switch 2 Game Key Cards, Says Ex-Capcom Composer
I don't say this lightly, but these are some corporate bootlicker type arguments. Like how is it good for the consumer to rebuy stuff because you lost access to the stuff you bought? 🤦♂️
Re: Feature: Jump, Man - A Celebration Of The Greatest Jumps In Gaming
@Nambit Donkey Kong arcade came out before that game, so no he is not the original Jumpman.
Re: Opinion: I'm Celebrating Super Mario Bros.' 40th Anniversary By Finally Finishing It
@SalvorHardin have you only played the all stars version? In the original NES version you have to start the whole game all over unless you use the continue code.
@The_Nintendo_Pedant I've been guilty of that mindset in the past. And after playing games like Classic Castlevania, RE, Tomb Raider, etc. I've changed my mind on the whole thing. Learning the controls can absolutely be part of the fun of a game.
Re: Opinion: I'm Celebrating Super Mario Bros.' 40th Anniversary By Finally Finishing It
@The_Nintendo_Pedant I think the physics requiring a bit more commitment to Mario's running jump may be outdated to some. Not me though.
Re: Virtual Boy Is Being Added To Nintendo Switch Online
@Don the controllers at least still work with other Switch and Switch 2 games. I guess this could work with Labo Vr stuff on paper at least?
Re: Review: Bubsy In: The Purrfect Collection (Switch) - Limited Run Cleans Out The Kitty Litter
@Mgalens yea a shame that some dismiss them bc they try to play them like a Mario game. Having such a unique take on a common genre like platformers is part of what made gaming in the 90s so great.
Re: Review: Bubsy In: The Purrfect Collection (Switch) - Limited Run Cleans Out The Kitty Litter
@SpaceboyScreams nah the Genesis Sonic games are a blast even on mute.
Re: Rumour: Resident Evil Requiem Could Be Heading To The Switch 2
This is giving me huge Wii/ps2 multiplat vibes
Re: Review: SHINOBI: Art Of Vengeance (Switch) - A Beautifully Crafted Return For Joe Musashi
So the framerate is smoothed out on Switch 2 but it looks kinda blurry in handheld mode?
Re: '007 First Light' Deep Dive Gameplay Is Coming Later This Week
How did Nathan Drake become James Bond?
Re: Poll: When The Heck Is Metroid Prime 4 Actually Launching?
@Patendo thats not really a new game though...
Re: Donkey Kong Bananza Is Selling Like Bananas On Switch 2 (US)
So it got to Number 3 through physical sales alone. Yet people love to say physical is dead and nobody buys physical. 🤔🤔
Re: Former PlayStation Head Praises Nintendo For Being "In Touch With Their Fan Base"
@Jack_Goetz Metroid Prime 4 was revealed in 2017 actually (why on earth would they have revealed it before the Switch was even revealed?). Mario Kart World was quite fun to me and a lot of other people. Am I not a true fan because of that??? Nintendo console hardware has been underpowered since 2006 (debatably 2004) and that whole thing was reallt started by Iwata actually. Its not like the Wii and Wii U were super cheap either, especically the Wii U (I do like these consoles though). The Switch 2 at least has the excuse of being a portable device. You're allowed to have your own opinion, but you clearly don't have much perspective. Too trapped in your own outrage and disdain to see outside of that.
Re: Former PlayStation Head Praises Nintendo For Being "In Touch With Their Fan Base"
@Jack_Goetz You are simply one person who is entitled to his opinion, but Nintendo's output today clearly appeases more fans than its 2015 output. Splatoon and Mario Maker are about the only fan appeasing games released in 2015. Xenoblade X was super niche and even somewhat divisive at the time among its community for it's deviation from the original Xenoblade. I know Federation Force was 2016, but I picked it to represent the overall vibes of the era at the time to most fans. It was revealed in 2015 as well, so it was part of that year in a sense.
Re: Former PlayStation Head Praises Nintendo For Being "In Touch With Their Fan Base"
@Jack_Goetz 2015 was the era of Amiibo Festival, Federation Force, Mario Tennis Ultra Smash, etc. So I don't think fans online would've agreed with you at the time.
Re: Former PlayStation Head Praises Nintendo For Being "In Touch With Their Fan Base"
@Jack_Goetz you really think Nintendo was more in touch with their fans in 2015??? Lmao.
Re: "The Best-Looking Thing I've Seen On Switch 2" - Digital Foundry Talks Final Fantasy 7 Remake
@Truegamer79 I ended up getting Raidou Remastered on Switch instead of Switch 2 to get an actual game card. So yea I hate key cards as much as anybody
Re: "The Best-Looking Thing I've Seen On Switch 2" - Digital Foundry Talks Final Fantasy 7 Remake
@Truegamer79 they're 64 gb. The main issue for most games (so far pretty much every key card is under 64 gb) is the cost of the carts more than the capacity, but this may be one of the games that actually can't fit. It was over 90 gb on ps4.
Re: Rumour: A Nintendo Direct Is Reportedly Coming Ahead Of Mario's 40th Anniversary
We really need a general direct. I wanna know the release date of Metroid Prime 4.
Re: Dragon Ball: Sparking! ZERO Switch And Switch 2 Performance & Resolution Detailed
@zockermiller yea of course. I just bought Raidou HD on Switch 1 even though I own a Switch 2
Re: Dragon Ball: Sparking! ZERO Switch And Switch 2 Performance & Resolution Detailed
@zockermiller its also a free upgrade from Switch 1 to 2 so no real reason not to just buy the Switch 1 version physically
Re: Dragon Ball: Sparking! ZERO Switch And Switch 2 Performance & Resolution Detailed
@Bizzyb its not like Cyberpunk ran that much better in terms of resolution and framerate but I get what you mean. (And like you said its just UE5 lmao)
Re: Dragon Ball: Sparking! ZERO Switch And Switch 2 Performance & Resolution Detailed
@Bizzyb look at the comparsion. Switch 1 basically looks like a different game. Switch 2 Version is still quite comparable to the ps5 version visually on the other hand. They could've maybe just done the Switch 1 vers higher res and higher framerate on Switch 2 tho if they really wanted I guess.
Re: Sonic Mania 2 Prototype Artwork Revealed By Christian Whitehead
@Nintendo4Sonic I really don't think Shadow Generations is any less automated than SA2. In fact if you took the boost away and make the base speed somewhat faster the levels would work pretty good as SA2 levels.
Re: Review: Chillin' By The Fire (Switch 2) - Novel Camera Integration, But Won't Set Your World Alight
@Blast16 I mean both Switch and Wii U didn't have great third party support in the months after launch, but probably for different reasons than Switch 2 lmao.
Re: Review: Chillin' By The Fire (Switch 2) - Novel Camera Integration, But Won't Set Your World Alight
@Blast16 Its not like most consoles launch with a ton of exclusive first party games. Most Nintendo systems only launch with 3 at most. And it gets worse when you look at original Japanese launch line ups instead of the beefed up US/EU ones from being delayed.
Re: Pac-Man World 2: Re-Pac Is A Big Glow-Up On Switch & Switch 2
@Suketoudara Switch 1 games almost always specify if they require a download on the front cover. And just because a patch exists doesn't mean you have to download it.
Re: Pac-Man World 2: Re-Pac Is A Big Glow-Up On Switch & Switch 2
Why did these type of comparsions always use composite video? They do know all 4 consoles from that generation are capable of much higher quality video, right? (I guess the publishers wouldn't really want a more fair comparsion though.)
Re: Nintendo Patent Featuring Crank And "Clickable Wheel" Attachments For Joy-Con 2 Surface
Taking some inspiration from the Playdate I see
Re: Nintendo Announces New 'Hello, Mario!' App For Switch And Mobile Devices
This is what we've all been waiting for from Nintendo.
Re: "We Answer To Nobody But You, The Audience" - Digital Foundry Is Now Fully Independent
Awesome for Digital Foundry. Anyways inb4 all the hate comments for them for stupid fanboy sh*t.
Re: 'Mina The Hollower', Yacht Club's Retro Zelda-Inspired Adventure, Scores Switch Release Date
Yea this game looks great. Hope the physical release isn't too far behind.
Re: Reaction: Switch 2 Needed A Partner Showcase With Pep; This Wasn't It
@ShieldHero any confirmed censorship of games in there?
Re: Octopath 0 Is A Game-Key Card On Switch 2, And Square Enix Has "No Plans" For A Switch 1 Upgrade Option
@Samalik believe or not HD 2d games are quite a bit better on higher end hardware. They tend to hover around the 720p 30 range on Switch docked with effects that don't look as good. Not that they're unplayable or anything, but they are more demanding games than theg look.
Re: Octopath 0 Is A Game-Key Card On Switch 2, And Square Enix Has "No Plans" For A Switch 1 Upgrade Option
Wonder why its a $50 game. Is it gonna be shorter than the other two? And yea this sucks. Square Enix actually just did it right with DQ 3 HD having a free Switch 2 patch. And Tactics did it right as well.
Re: Nintendo Highlights Multiple Switch 2 And Switch Games Launching In August 2025
Shinobi Art of Vengenace looks awesome and I definitely plan on playing Star Crossed Worlds. Although as a physical collector, I am somewhat torn on whether I should just get the upgrade pack or shell out the money for the actual physical since its so expensive.
Re: Japanese Variety Show Ranks Nation's Favourite Games, Mario & Animal Crossing Miss Top Spot
@Nintendo_Thumb Original Super Mario Bros has a certain appeal that no other Mario games have due to its simplicity. The levels are pretty all built so you can just run straight through them without stopping much which gives it that speedrun appeal. And the runtime is just short enough to where the simplicity doesn't get old and again it makes it replayable. I have learned to appreciate SMB1 more as I've gotten older. That being said, I would never argue its better than SMW,SMB3 or Wonder. But hey I get it.
Re: Nintendo Was The Only One Making Steady Revenue On NES, Says Capcom Vet
@KingMike Why did Jaleco do that for their NES spines? Who hurt them?
Re: Ninja Gaiden: Ragebound Will "Average" 30fps On Switch
I don't know why a lot of these lower end indie games are struggling performance wise on Switch that shouldn't be having any problems. It feels like game optimization is a lost art at this point.
Re: Nintendo Expands Switch Online's SNES Library With A Mouse Game
Fly swatting mini game is fun.
Re: Review: Nintendo Switch 2 Joy-Con 2 Wheel - Flawed, But Still Fun
@Yozora146_ you can still play great in Mario Kart with a wheel if you get really used to the tilt controls. Most are more used to the analog stick and it is generally more precise.
Re: NIS America: Trails Beyond The Horizon Switch 2 Game-Key Card Release Is "Most Beneficial Option" For Fans
@beltmenot Realistically you're going to need to delete it eventually for storage reasons though. And then potientially redownload it if you wanna play it again. And if anything happens to your console when Nintendo inevitably shuts down the servers you're f*cked.
Re: NIS America: Trails Beyond The Horizon Switch 2 Game-Key Card Release Is "Most Beneficial Option" For Fans
@Kneppy18 its $10 more than other versions for a key card that eats up space on your storage is sh*t for preservation. Literally no excuse
Re: Feature: "Never In My Wildest Dreams Would I Have Expected This" - Falcom President Talks 20 Years Of 'Trails' In Our Big Interview
JUST BE HONEST AND SAY AN ACTUAL GAME CARD IS TOO EXPENSIVE. MY LORD
Re: Pokémon Legends: Z-A Is Getting Its Very Own Switch 2 Bundle
@Zeebor15 oh yea crap I had a brain fart there. Sorry about that. Yea I loved having to spend an extra $30 to get Mario Kart World physically 😐
Re: New Pokémon Champions Gameplay Trailer Reveals 2026 Launch Window
They really announced this 2 years in advance...
Re: Pokémon Legends: Z-A Is Getting Its Very Own Switch 2 Bundle
@Zeebor15 ? This is getting an actual physical worldwide. Are you thinking of the Pokemon ScarVio+ DLC bundle cart or something?
Re: Square Enix Rules Out Switch 2 "Upgrade Path" For Dragon Quest I & II HD-2D Remake
@electrolite77 like I said though, this would essentially allow people to pass their physical copy around and give all their friends a discount. For Hogwarts it just gives you the discount and doesn't even have a cart drm check for the download.
Re: Square Enix Rules Out Switch 2 "Upgrade Path" For Dragon Quest I & II HD-2D Remake
@electrolite77 All of those have upgrade paths for the physical copy? And like I said the Switch 2 Edition is Nintendo's way of offering an "official" upgrade path and it just doesn't work on games that are Key Cards. And that affects the digital version for parity's sake I guess. I think all this crap is kinda dumb, but as of now that's how it seemingly works.
Re: Sonic Racing: Crossworlds On Switch 2 Will Feature The Full Base Game On Cartridge
@DonkeyKongBigBoy I mean if anything having access to the original version can be kind of preservation in another way. I do agree for a game like this that's going to be get a lot of updates that add content should maybe wait till all of that content is out and just do a physical release then.