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@Xenocity @IceClimbers Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly, the dual paired Pokemon games tend to be put together in the charts, so I wouldn't be surprised if these were too. And I'm sure that even if it's not, Nintendo will internally keep track of each version and possibly combine them to show off sales records and/or decide how to go forward with the series (ie more newbie-friendly entries if Birthright does better, and reverting to the older style if Conquest does better)

@Minotaurgamer @blackice85 the 3ds Phoenix Wright games are eshop only outside Japan, as are a few Atlus games in Europe (can't remember which ones since I'm in the US). So it's entirely possible for 1 regions retail games to be eshop only in others, though both of these DQ remakes have been confirmed to get retail releases, at least in the US since I didn't see Europe's direct.

@SmaMan They most likely won't make any brand new Pokémon, probably just forms like Shadow Mewtwo. As far as a Pokémon based on Tekken, they've basically done that already as Pikachu's moveset in Pokken is mostly Heihachi's moveset from the main Tekken games with electric effects and a few different moves.

@Tsurii the only catch with the Mewtwo card is that it has to be in the 1st print of the game. It doesn't need to be preordered, just a copy with the 1st shipment. Though given how duplicate amiibo work with other games, for example Mario and Dr Mario or Link and Toon Link both functioning as "Mario" and "Link" respectively outside of Smash, it's likely that at least for now, the Shadow Mewtwo card will also function in Smash and Mario Maker (and most likely futuew games save Pokken sequels) like regular Mewtwo.

@IceClimbers Seriously, people are saying that? That's kind of odd since I think we have just as many Psychic and Fighting types as we do Fire, yet people aren't complaining about too many of those.
Besides, counting each fighter's 2nd type (which I will since it seems most of the Pokemon use both of their types in their moves), we have practically every type represented with at least 1 playable Pokemon in this game. The only ones still missing are Normal, Bug, and Rock, but given they got over the "represent all gens" hurdle, this should be doable with 2 or 3 more additions. Although I think they can only do it in 2 if they do Dwebble or Crustle, which I'm guessing is entirely possible now.

@IceClimbers You actually sum things up pretty well.

But physical DLC or not it's a simple matter of "if you don't like it/don't think it's worth it, don't buy it". I have a decent collection, but only because I felt the figures and their content was worth it.

I may be looking to deep with this, but I think this basically confirms Bayonetta and Corrin to launch in the 1st or 2nd week of February. Reasons:
1. Bayonetta and Corrin are supposed to launch at the same point in February.
2. Corrin is being added to market FE Fates, and Sakurai said something along the lines of "get to know him before you play Fates" in the Smash direct, hinting that he'll come before Fates.
3. This standalone Bayonetta 2 release comes out in the US on the same day FE Fates does, February 19th, at the end of the 3rd week of February.

My theory: Bayonetta and Corrin will come out in Smash between February 1st and 13th (last day of the second week of February). This will give fans an opportunity to play as these characters for a week or 2 and seeing as they are both from semi obscure series, some fans may wonder "when/ how easy would it be for me to try these characters games?" Which then 1-2 weeks later (on the 19th) FE Fates will launch in US stores with the Bayonetta 2 restock, giving 3DS and Wii U owners, respectively, the chance to play the origin games of these mysterious fighters. And given NoA doesn't do many ads and is adding Corrin to help market, it makes sense to rerelease Bayo 2 at the same time so that she can help boost game some sale numbers too. Admittedly this only applies to US players, and it wouldn't make sense to just launch Smash DLC in the US before the rest of the world, so preseumably the whole world would get the dlc despite the games not being out/available at the DLC release. It makes sense as long as that last point is in consideration.

I think one thing that could help Nintendo (and a very large chunk of the readers here) is note that an innovative controller and hardware power don't have to be mutually exclusive as a lot people make them out to be. We take the designs of the NES, SNES, and 64 controllers for granted these days, but they were seen as innovative at launch as our generation saw the Wiimote and ds touch screen when they launched. On top of that, they were either 1st or 2nd in terms of power for their generations. And although the Wii showed that occasionally 1 without the other would work for them, usually choosing power (see the Gamecube, which was near on par with ps2/xbox powerwise, but didn't try anything new controller wise) and the Wii U (the exact opposite situation in relation to the ps4/xb1), indicates that one or the other will likely mean they'll get 3rd again.

I see a lot of people pointing out the Midna thing, so I figured I'd put my 2 cents in. Nintendo stops caring about spoilers after about 2 or 3 years from release at this point. Otherwise Lucina wouldn't be in Smash or PXZ 2, Mecha Fiora wouldn't be in PXZ either, Midna wouldn't have her human form in Hyrule Warriors, etc. So if you want to play a game spoiler free, your best bet is to play in the 1st year or 2 from here on.

@Ogbert Frogadier is a support, it was confirmed around the arcade release as a pair with Eevee.

Personally I hope we get Jigglypuff and Greninja since we now have most of the Smash Pokémon, might as well put the others in. I also want: a gen 5 Pokémon, it's my least favorite gen, but it'd be nice for every gen to get a rep, and for however many more Pokémon we need to do the same for every type.

I'll be holding out for the Wii U version if it still exists. I've enjoyed playing the console versions at parties since the Vancouver game. That and Bejing was the only decent handheld one. I'm actually surprised Rio is getting a handheld version at all since I think Sochi skipped the 3ds.

@Notshane I wouldn't worry about the smash dlc release date since in the US Smash direct (not sure if Europe's was different) it said something along the lines of "you can get to know Corrin before you play FE Fates" so that combined with what seems to be the fact that both Corrin and Bayonetta look finished save the final balancing, likely means it'll come out 1st or 2nd week of February since Fates comes out in the US at the end of the 3rd. I could be wrong, but it's a decent educated guess.

@FriedSquid @BulbasaurusRex They actually took that neutrality thing in the way you 2 explained in B2/W2. Since gym 1 is normal and neutral to all 3 in those, though Riolu was avalible beforehand and if one really wanted to grind Tepig they could.

@FriedSquid I'm pretty sure the monkeys were made as a way to work around the whole "have to grind to beat the 1st gym if you pick the 'wrong' (as in weak to the leaders type) starter" situation that was in the 1st go of gen 1-4 since they did it so you fight the 1st gym leader who's monkey beats your starter, but can get the monkey that beats their's before the gym to effectively put all 3 starters on equal ground for the 1st gym, which was my personal favorite quirk/gimmick of gen 5.

@sillygostly To be fair Pikachu was, is, and most likely will always be the most popular Pokemon in the series and it's kind of a shoe in for anything remotely related to the series (though I do think having Pikachu twice is a bit annoying, even if Libre has a different moveset than her normal counterpart). And the only real oddball choice is Weavile since all the other Pokemon are extremely popular like Suicune and Charizard, or like Machamp just fit the fighting game material pretty well. Heck I'd argue that the roster save Machamp and Weavile are all in the top 50-100 most popular Pokemon.

Though on a personal note, while I'm not a big fan of their Pokemon, I hope that we get at least 1 rep from each of gen 5 and 6 so that each gen gets a rep, even if my favorite gens (1 and 3) are getting the lion's share of the roster.

You know, ever since Corrin's reveal I've felt a need to say this, so I'm gonna let it out. As a full disclaimer, aka not trying to make a bias towards one series or another, I love every franchise that gets into Smash and can get hyped for pretty much any and all fighters added.These final Smash 4 reveals taught me something:

A good chunk of Smash fans get butthurt over every FE character that gets added that's not named Roy. Seriously, people whined about Lucina being a Marth clone and Corrin being in as marketing for Fates, and complained about both (who were the 4th and 6th FE characters in Smash 4 respectively) as there being "too many FE characters." You know who else is Marth clone? Roy. You know who else was originally added in to market a new FE game? Roy. You know who was added as a 5th FE character in Smash 4, which according to Lucina's reveal, was when we already had "too many FE characters"? Roy. What does Roy get? Thunderous Applause and hype.

It's not the idea that one thinks we have too many FE fighters that bugs me, everyone's allowed to have an opinion on that, it's more the inconsistent logic that happened with Roy's reveal and the others mentioned above (that and some of those same fans were butthurt about not getting more Zelda, Pokemon or Mario characters, which pre-Corrin (and in the latter 2 cases post-Corrin), had the same amount or more fighters than FE, but that's another topic to go off on another day. I know not everyone is satisfied with every reveal, but I figured I'd give my 2 cents on the complaints about Corrin.

@WiiChuck103 You're right on all examples save Hyrule Warriors. HW maintains 60fps on both models, but to keep the framerate stable 3D is disabled on the older models.

Maybe they couldn't get as much stock prepped for Europe by the initial release date as planned since if I remember correctly, that's the reason the Shovel Knight amiibo was coming out later in the US to begin with.

Just my perspective on things (you're free to agree or disagree): If this is plagiarism, then we basically couldn't and wouldn't have any level creation tools or games period. Think about how many times more iconic levels from throughout history like Green Hill Zone and Rainbow Road, among others, that have been remade and recreated to almost perfectly match the originals in titles like Little Big Planet and Disney infinity, among others. If Nintendo or Sega, again among others, started making claims about this stuff either, all of it could/would be shut down and we'd basically have squat in terms of level design in games.

Wasn't Gengar announced as the winner of the Twitter campaign a while ago? Or was there another one?

Another noteworthy fact of that ad that seems to have passed over is that a Gamestop exclusive
Ike restock will happen around that time, which more or less confirms that amiibo exclusitivity will rotate different ones in and out.

I saw this and said "Holy cow, there's FINALLY a game other than Smash that has a meaningful function for Pikachu (and the other Pokemon)" Seriously why did it take Nintendo this long to release a game besides Smash to utilize their 3rd most popular amiibo and mascot of their 2nd biggest IP?

@Rafie Your right in Getting to know the employees is pretty much the best way to get what you want at GS. Before I worked there, I knew the whole staff at my store and they wanted me there so badly. It was literally reach working age, submit the application, come in the next day. A lot has changed since then but to get back on topic, they likely were able to set aside a preorder for you for both facts that you know them and odds are an employee who doesn't care about amiibo didn't want his/her hold to go to waste since each store was given a number that would be relatively high compared to Ness/Shulk numbers regardless if employees used the 1 hold they were given

@aaronsullivan Yeah you're right in that most people probably don't want all 3 characters in the 3 pack. My personal plan is either split the cost with friends who want G&W and ROB when it launches (I just want Duck Hunt) or sell the other 2 I don't want to recover the cost of the pack

@UnseatingKDawg Yeah it might be unlikely, but it would've given Walmart a hidden pattern in exclusives like every other store that has gotten 2 exclusives by the end of July. The other patterns I've noticed are
GS: cult classic RPG protagonists (Shulk/Ness)
BB: "Edgy fliers" (Meta Knight/Dark Pit)
TRU: blue/not gen 1 Pokémon (Lucario/Greninja)
Target: female characters from the big names (Rosalina/Jigglypuff)
Though assuming the retro pack is GS exclusive, odds are these patterns were pure coincidence

@bstoppel Odds are that means that those 2 will also be exclusives, as the amiibo kiosks hinted at beforehand (the kiosks in May only had ZSS, Ganon, and Olimar in their coming soon section, and each retailer only shows its own exclusives in the kiosks)
My guesses
Retro pack-Gamestop (read all the evidence this week)
Bowser Jr-Toys R Us (closest thing to a blue Pokémon this wave, and just wishing since TRU did good with Greninja)
Dr Mario-Walmart (been a while since Walmarts had an exclusive, and they seem to like different versions of Mario)

As a GS employee and fellow fan I'd like to clear up a few things that I personally know:
1. Employees were allowed ONE hold during wave 4 ie we could've held Robin or Lucina but not both (didn't use mine since I already had them preordered)
2. The holds had to be picked up within an hour of the store opening
3. There's a few mystery SKUs in the system which MAY mean the rest of wave 5/6 will be available for preorder as well that day
4. The final say in holds is at the managers discretion, our DM let us put holds but our manager ultimately decided NOT to hold them
So ultimately panicking about holds will depend on if it's just the 3 pack and what managers ultimately choose to do. Odds are employees will have to get in line just like you will (I personally won't since I don't care about any Septembers amiibo)

Exclusives don't necessarily mean less stock, just means you need to go to a specific store. For example, Marth sold out within an hour during the Target restock in the US over the weekend, whereas Rosalina lasted the whole day and Jigglypuff is STILL available as I write this comment. Toys R Us got an average of 100 Greninja per store, and there was likely a grand total of 100 each of Robin and Lucina in every state. Best Buy got a decent stock of Meta Knight during the restock and expects an average of 100 Dark Pit per store. Gamestop had decent (for the characters obscurity) stock of Ness and Shulk during both rounds, but even after 2 shipments of Ike couldn't even meet their preorders (well some of that was due to uninformed employees) point is exclusives have decent at their stores whereas some amiibo that are universally available vanish in instants namely Fire Emblem but still.

You know charging half price for a full games worth of DLC isn't that bad. I don't see why it's such a big deal. Heck the length of each Fates path is as long as Awakening after all of it's dlc.

@NintyMan I think a reasonable guess for Palutena's exclusitivity is Walmart. Wave 3 had Shulk, MK, Lucario and Rosalina as exclusives at Gamestop, Best buy, Toys R Us, and Target respectively. The Mario series had Gold Mario as a Walmart exclusive. Wave 4 had Ness, Greninja and Jigglypuff as GS, TRU, and Target exclusives respectively. And now Best Buy picked up Dark Pit as their exclusive. So to date the exclusive count is as follows
Gamestop-2
Best Buy-2
Toys R Us-2
Target-2
Walmart-1
So it's most likely Palutena will be Walmart since they haven't had more than 1 so far.

I just want more games to use my Pikachu amiibo. Seriously 3rd best selling amiibo, mascot of the 2nd most popular IP, and still no support outside Smash? Well that and to stop the exclusives since they cost me the chance to get Lucario, if Dark Pit, Palutena, Falco, or Mewtwo is exclusive I'll be pretty mad.

The negativity here just screams "This is why Nintendo doesn't make new ips often". Seriously Steam got so much hate for not being Golden Sin (which isn't even remotely related to Intelligent Systems other than the Nintendo logo) and now people complain about this asking for Metroid. And here I thought Splatoon made people willing to try new IPs.

@Ogbert completely agree with you. STEAM id a horribly underappreaciated game. If Nintendo has to force amiibo bundles to get STEAM the attention it deserves than let them.
Also PSA for NA, many rare/unicorn amiibo, namely Villager, WFT, Rosalina, Lucario, Captain Falcon, Ness, and Jigglypuff, have updated CISPAs with added production runs. Possible restock incoming?

@Samuel-Flutter I hope so too. Seriously they keep adding support for amiibo like Marth and Dedede, who no one can find, yet won't add games for Pikachu, who everyone can find and is the 3rd best selling.

I say this on every amiibo story and I'll say it again. Toys aren't as easy to manufacture as games, of course there gonna stick primarily to characters who appeal to everyone like Mario and Pikachu. On top of that, and again I say this every story, but Skylanders had the same issue from launch day until Giants came out. That was a full year, so as such amiibo will most likely have the same stock issues until next November, be patient.

Am I the only one who remembers that Skylanders and Disney Infinity had the same issues of no supply and ridiculous demand (heck Wham Shell from the 1st Skylanders is still worth a few hundred on ebay) for the first year of existence? The toys to life genre seems to be by nature a demand>supply situation with the toys for a year or 2 as the developer tries to get enough of every figure to stores (which by that point the sequel is out with newer, better supplied figures), though I'll wait and see how Lego Dimensions toys play our before accepting my hypothesis as fact. At least amiibos only unlock fully optional content for games (as opposed to the others, which requires them), and Nintendo's trying to get figures back as they become relavant in more games.

@Kirk the problem with tying an amiibo to a game in its series is that quite a few amiibo like the Pokémon, Star Fox characters, Shulk, and Olimar don't have vc games for their own series.

I completely agree with quite a few of you, parents should be the ones to decide what their kids can play. While I'm never thrilled to see parents come to my Gamestop buying gta or cod for their kids (especially the hypocrites who yelledat me about my age the first few months I worked there), it's the parents decision and others can't dictate how they raise their kids.

You know being an assist trophy can help a franchise a lot. After all Brawl had Little Mac, Issac, and Saki as assist trophies, and within 2 years we got a new entry and generally more popularity for each of those series.

For everyone complaining about no confirmed Wii U plans, calm down! BN has been this way with Tekken for quite a while.
Tekken 6: started on arcades, came to console a year later.
Tekken Tag 2: started on arcades, came to console a year later.
While Pokémon are the stars, this is still a Tekken game. BN likes to give this series time in arcades before launching it on console. Just be patient, I'd assume mid-late 2016 for the console launch so they can clear the arcades for Tekken 7 before launching that on PS4/XB1.

So what I still don't get.
Pikachu dominates 64 scene, everyone complains he's broken (and still do).
Meta Knight dominates Brawl scene, everyone complains everyone complains he's broken.
Diddy Kong dominates Wii U/3DS scene, everyone complains he's broken.
Fox dominates Melee scene, everyone's somehow fine with that.

I just hope that means NA is going to get an eshop version of Rhythm Theif this week.

This was a good game, but most people can find it easily now with or without the eshop, now if Sega was smart they'd put Rhythm Thief on and it would sell like crazy since no one can find it.

This is getting out of hand. First Wii U owners had to pay the same price for little to no bonus content if it came out at the same time, and more if the Wii U version came out later (90% of 3rd-party games), Then they charge more for it with the same content situation (Deus Ex and NG3 in NA), and now they still expect us to pay full price for half-hearted versions (BAO and pretty much every EA game). No wonder the Wii U versions sell horribly.

@SkywardLink98 Amen to That.

For me it's gonna be digital. $10 less and getting it 2 months sooner makes it better to me.

As long as we get it and its dlc at the same time as the other consoles this time, I really don't care if it becomes COD.