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Mario Kart 8 Secures Place as Top-Selling SKU in NPD June Sales, With Hardware Boost for Wii U

Posted by Thomas Whitehead

Tomodachi Life joins MK8 in overall Top 10

The latest NPD results — which provide data on physical retail sales in the US — have been released, and Nintendo has been confident enough about the outcome to break recent trends and provide a press release update on its position. There are strong numbers for both the Wii U and 3DS.

To begin with NPD's figures, prior to Nintendo's own details, Mario Kart 8 continues the excellent performance of its launch weekend in securing second spot over the whole of June, an impressive result as a single-format title. Tomodachi Life makes its début in 9th place, with Nintendo's titles the only single-format games in the top 10.

1. Watch Dogs (PS4, 360, Xbox One, PS3, PC)
2. Mario Kart 8 (Wii U)
3. Minecraft (360, PS3)
4. UFC (PS4, Xbox One)
5. FIFA 14 (PS4, 360, Xbox One, PS3, Vita)
6. NBA 2K14 (360, PS3, PS4, Xbox One, PC)
7. Wolfenstein: The New Order (PS4, Xbox One, 360, PS3, PC)
8. Call of Duty: Ghosts (360, PS4, PS3, Xbox One, Wii U, PC)
9. Tomodachi Life (3DS)
10. Grand Theft Auto V (360, PS3)

To Nintendo's figures, it's stated that Mario Kart 8 sold 470,000 physical and download copies in the US in June, taking its lifetime sales in the country to 885,000 units. The Tomodachi Life figure was given as 175,000 US sales in stores and through the eShop.

Both of those software successes contributed to boosts in hardware sales — Wii U hardware sales in June were up a whopping 233% over the 2013 number, with the first half of the year bringing an increase of 48% over the same period last year. The software figures for Wii U also showed a major leap over 2013 numbers, up 373% in June and 129% for the first half of the year, further emphasizing the impact of Nintendo's kart racer.

The 3DS saw hardware sales jump 55% over May this year, though the choice of that statistic from Nintendo suggests it's below the June 2013 figure, when Animal Crossing: New Leaf was released.

Estimates of hardware sales, based on those percentages from Nintendo, place 3DS at around 150,000 units and Wii U at around 140,000 units. That said, the PS4 remains the top-selling system in the US for yet another month; overall industry hardware and retail sales were up in the US over June 2013, but with a small drop in software sales across the whole picture.

Nintendo of America, in summary, is clearly happy enough with the figures this month, emphasizing a continued move in the right direction for Wii U through Mario Kart 8, and a respectable début for Tomodachi Life. Scott Moffitt, Nintendo of America’s executive vice president of Sales & Marketing, has said the following.

These results reinforce the power of the Mario Kart franchise and speak to a bright future for the Wii U platform. History has shown that Mario Kart games tend to have an extremely long tail. We fully expect Mario Kart 8 to continue to drive momentum for our hardware and software business through the holidays and into the foreseeable future.

Let us know what you think of these results, and your hopes for upcoming releases in driving Nintendo's sales further, in the comments below.

[via venturebeat.com, neogaf.com]

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kensredemption

#1

kensredemption said:

Let's no forget Smash, Bayonetta 2, Xeno X, Devil's Third, Hyrule Warriors, Star Fox and the new Zelda coming up. Oh! And Mario Party 10!

Jazzer94

#2

Jazzer94 said:

Hmm I wonder what the sales were for the Xbox One seeing as it now has a Kinectless option, the Wii U improvements are great but the console needs more namely SSB4 which can't come soon enough.

Yoshis_VGM

#4

Yoshis_VGM said:

Shouldn't we be getting the quarterly financial result soon? Showing sales as of June 30? I'm excited for that Wii U number.

Overall this is good for Nintendo. Last summer was absolutely horrible for the Wii U (remember that? 160,000 units in three months?) so it's nice to see the console pulling through this summer strong.

DiscoDriver43

#7

DiscoDriver43 said:

Impressive that both Watchdogs and MK 8 are still on top. Congrats Ubisoft and Nintendo. I need to check out both. anyone who played Watchdogs, is it any good?

WiiULoveSquid

#8

WiiULoveSquid said:

They just have to feature DLC for Kart now that they have the appropriate platform. Fans would love it and would be a nice second reminder about the game to the WiiU-less 3DS owners

rjejr

#9

rjejr said:

@kensredemption - When I think of all the great games Wii U has coming out this holiday and beyond I think it dersves to be mentioned w/ the PS4 and X1 for sales. But then I remember all the 3rd party games Wii U isn't getting, not just PS4 and X1 but PS3 and 360 that it should be able to handle - Destiny first and foremost, and still no Watchdods - and it makes me anxious again.

Should be a good holiday for Wii U though. The casuals may not want it for yhemdelves but its about time they staryef biyong them for their kids.

unrandomsam

#10

unrandomsam said:

"Wii U hardware sales in June were up a whopping 233% over the 2013 number"

That is a bad way of presenting that data. Actual numbers would be far more meaningful.

jrob23

#11

jrob23 said:

I'm not sure why people are excited about 140K sold the first full month post Kart. This is abysmal. Nintendo needed massive Wii U hardware sales with Kart. 140K? Wow. Let's say that sales revert back to it's usual 60-75K until Smash and the Holidays get a similar bump up like Kart. We are talking at best 1.5 million sold through the holidays. Again, how is this good news? Increases month over month and year over year are great but if your baseline is so low you need staggering increases and this was just okay. I'm convinced the Wi U needs to be replaced sooner than later. They needed Kart to give a 1-2 million console bump and they get like 300K.

The Wii U is still great, we'll see a good amount of quality titles. But it's done. Kart was really the game that would prove it's viability and it failed.

Daruncic

#12

Daruncic said:

How is the PS4 selling so well? What are people playing on it? I mean, I intend to get one someday, when a Ratchet and Clank game is out, but right now? Nothing.

Agent721

#13

Agent721 said:

Nice move in sales...I wonder how many consoles each sold, as MSFT reported a doubling of Xbone sales since Kinect was removed from the console (bought one myself in the past month). Either way, I am very glad to see Nintendo, and the entire industry as a whole, selling more & more.

Gerbwmu

#15

Gerbwmu said:

There are 13 retail exclusives due out for Wii U from now until the end of 2015 and that doesn't include Zelda U and Star Fox U which are tentatively scheduled for 2015. There are still a few games that we haven't heard anything from in a while as well like FE v SMT. I'm sure July and August will be lower but starting in September we should see decent numbers and a huge spike for the holiday. If they release all the titles in 2015 that are expected we should see decent sales through out.

Edit - Fatal Frame would be the 14th but still unknown about US/Europe release so I didn't include it

Agent721

#16

Agent721 said:

@jrob23
You have solid points, but with expectations so low, it's viewed as solid given the poor history of its prior sales....but I too was hoping for 300k.. But regardless of sales, MK8 is a wonderful game...best MK ever, so enjoy it regardless.

Twiglingen

#17

Twiglingen said:

@jrob23
I think Nintendo is hoping for a train effect with Mario Kart 8. As each game comes out weekly sales pick up a bit overall.

NintyMan

#19

NintyMan said:

Nice to see Wii U hopefully start a turnaround thanks to Mario Kart 8. I'm also happy that Tomodachi Life exceeded expectations. I believe the controversy actually helped it!

Sir_JBizzle

#20

Sir_JBizzle said:

@Agent721 @jrob23 we also need to remember that Mario Kart 8 is a long tail game. I wouldn't be surprised if it starts moving units again during the holiday. But yea, like Agent said, it's pretty solid numbers in comparison to previous figures. Hopefully this signals a turnaround, at least in the moderate sense.

NintyMan

#21

NintyMan said:

Mario Kart 8 is going to be promoted by Nintendo throughout the year, and I hope that means more DLC at some point. There's also amiibo support at the end of this year and next year to further add to the fun.

jrob23

#22

jrob23 said:

@Twiglingen but they only have so many system sellers and they need those to actually sell systems. This was a minor blip on the radar. They needed a 1 million month with it reverting down to 300K between major releases. Instead, they get 140k and it will revert back to 60K. I think they are probably knee deep with there next console anyway and Zelda will be the last major release for the Wii U so they have some games ready to roll with the new system. They simply can't keep supporting this failed console. I love it, but regarding sales it's undeniably a failure and even Ninteno's biggest system seller can't really help.

Sir_JBizzle

#23

Sir_JBizzle said:

@DestinyMan if they market amiibo right, that has the ability to move some units. I wouldn't be surprised if they threw a couple in a bundle this holiday to get people started...

Twiglingen

#24

Twiglingen said:

@jrob23

Um, perhaps I'm thick but why do they need 1 million a month? To surpass PS4 sales? I don't think that is going to happen, however, in terms of maintaining relevance all they have to do is sell a decent number of systems monthly that is near the numbers of their competitors.

midnafanboy

#25

midnafanboy said:

Well this is great news, now with all those games coming out this year will definitely help out.

NodesforNoids

#26

NodesforNoids said:

When the Club Nintendo free game promotion ends, then Nintendo needs to be more anxious. To be honest, I don't see Watch Dogs carrying number 1 through July, though I do see MK8's numbers staying constant.
Remember though, buying a system and a game (or a bundle) is never going to produce the comparable sales of one game by itself.
Judging by Yokai Watch 2, MH4 and Pokemon X / Y's numbers in Japan, the 3DS is just now hitting full stride.

jrob23

#27

jrob23 said:

@Twiglingen there isn't a specific number or need to sell more than their competitors. They aren't keeping up with them by the way. The Wii U has been out a year longer, has been cheaper, has way more games...and yet it still is behind. I know it seems like they hanging in there but really, as soon as the launch software drought is over for the other systems their sales will destroy the Wii Us. Again, I personally don't care as I find it to be awesome. But this is a business and Nintendo has been losing money for 3 years running. Kart was it, it was their big gun. It misfired. Saying it sold well means nothing if it didn't help move a lot of consoles which it didn't.

Why would Nintendo keep supporting a console that isn't selling? To be nice? It's already provided value for me. Each new game is just gravy. But I'd rather for Nintendo's sake they hold off on Metroid, Star Fox, Mario Galaxy, Animal Crossing for their next concole/handheld combo so they won't have the same problem with no games at launch like 3DS and Wii U. Seriously, they have to have learned their lesson right? Either way, Iwata does not survive past next year's shareholders meeting imo

Hy8ogen

#28

Hy8ogen said:

@jrob23 Damn I'm just thankful Iwata is running Nintendo and not you. Holding up games for the next system? Brilliant. You'll be a good Sega CEO. Just sayin.

jrob23

#29

jrob23 said:

@Hy8ogen care to elaborate. He made the mistake of not having enough launch titles for the 3DS. He swore to not have that happen again. Literally a year later the exact thing happened with the Wii U. It's three years of losses. It's saying no to Skylanders. It's being late or early with the Wii U depending on how you look at it. It's his own words saying he'd resign if losses continued. It's the loss of 3rd party. But I guess with fanboys like you who lap up mediocrity why should he leave? You will continue to support him right?

NavySpheal

#30

NavySpheal said:

@jrob23 Wait, Wii U didn't have enough launch titles? Was 23 solid first and third party outings not good enough? We have reason enough to hold through with Iwata, he's been at the helm with both of Nintendo's best selling console and handheld. Slow starts don't mean bad finishes, look at the PS3 and 3DS.

shigulicious

#31

shigulicious said:

@jrob23 C'mon man. How do you know that the WiiU will revert to 2013 sales figures? I can argue the opposite, saying that Mario Kart 8 will create a snowball effect. The more units out there, the better word of mouth spreads.

jrob23

#33

jrob23 said:

@shigulicious well, because all systems have dips after big titles bump up sales and then they revert back to the mainline. Which for the Wii U has been 60K for months. It'd be great if sales remained elevated and maybe they will. But history shows that these bumps are short lived.

jrob23

#34

jrob23 said:

@NavySpheal okay, so his successes back in 06-08 give him cart blanche for life? People act as if the man single handedly invented and produced the DS and Wii when actually many people were responsible for their successes especially the Wii which was began before he became CEO. Even with the Wii's success he made the decision to leave off blu ray, let shovelware take over, stopped supporting it, late with price drops, kept it on shelves too long (hurt the Wii U launch as people thought Wii U was a peripheral to the Wii) and being stingy with VC and not including the component cables in the box. He pretty much rode that fad with very little effort put into it post 2010.

The DS is his shinning moment and you can't find much fault with it. That said, a fad and one well done execution does not make him immune or excuse three years of losses.

jrob23

#35

jrob23 said:

@NavySpheal they had no system sellers. They had yet another 2d Mario and NintendoLand. Then they didn't hit us with a new 1st party till Pikmin 3 which isn't exactly a top seller and then several months until 3D Mario World..then several months until DKTF....and then several months until their very first system seller Kart..and then several months until Smash. See the pattern.

astros75

#36

astros75 said:

Great news indeed! Lets hope Nintendo can maintain these great numbers through the rest of the year. Sept-Dec will take a toll on my funds with all the expected WiiU titles.

MoonKnight7

#37

MoonKnight7 said:

@jrob23

"They need a 1 million month..."

That's a ridiculous number you are asking for, with any console really. Zelda won't be the last game either. They may be knee deep in development for their next console, but there's no way 2015 is going to be the Wii U's last year. Or 2016 for that matter.

Rafie

#38

Rafie said:

@Daruncic What do you mean nothing? The PS4 has plenty of games to play. Don't tell me you're one of those folks that think it has " no gaemz" ,are ya?! THe PS4 has more games than the Xbox One and has almost as many as the Wii U. Yes indies in all. So there's plenty of stuff to play on the system. Whether it's your cup of tea is another story.

Blast

#39

Blast said:

GTA V is still selling well and there's a next gen port coming.... WOW. And congrats for Wii U.

iphys

#40

iphys said:

@jrob23 You realize these are just US numbers, and the global number is going to be maybe triple that? Considering Nintendo usually sells as much hardware in the 4th quarter as the first 3 quarters combined, and we're in the middle of the summer where people are busy doing outdoorsy things instead of playing games, those numbers aren't bad at all. They're still going to sell loads more Wii U systems and copies of MK8 come the holidays, so just relax.

VolcanoFlamesNL

#44

VolcanoFlamesNL said:

@Jrob23 Don't think just yet that the Wii U is done. And what is the problem if Nintendo continues to support a 'failed console'? How does it really affect anyone here? At least you can play some of the best games on the Wii U. So..?

AJere

#45

AJere said:

I think that if Nintendo doesn't get GTA 5 they should work on their own open world first-person shooter. I mean look at the list. What's really selling is shooters and sports games. If Nintendo were to make a game like GTA they would be buried in sells. Shooters are very popular this generation and they shouldn't miss out on it

Fel09ktl

#46

Fel09ktl said:

@jrob23 So Nintendo has a console that doesn't sell as much as they expected, and they should just give up? WOW, good thing you don't run a company.

jrob23

#47

jrob23 said:

@MoonKnight7 I said they needed a 1 million month not one million a month. Try to keep up. Let me dumb it down for you. With Mario Kart dropping as a game and also as a bundle, they needed all the people who had been sitting on the sideline waiting for the right time..to go out and finally buy a Wii U after 18 months. The amount of publicity and ads definitely got the word out. The fact is only 140k or so people purchased a Wii U. When that bump is over the numbers will revert back to where they were before (60K). For the Wii U to be a success and to keep getting support they need it to sell WAY better than it has. They need it to reach into the 20 million sold territory. System sellers are supposed to sell systems. Let me tell you...when Halo 5 drops (and maybe even that Halo special edition dropping this year) the Xbone will sell in the million(s) Not a measly 140k. When Uncharted 4 drops you can expect a major bump in PS4 sales. In fact I expect a pretty substantial bump if there is a Last of Us bundle.

There are a lot of fanboys who keep believing Nintendo are doing better because there sales look good in comparison to last year...well duh! Last year sales for the Wii U was about as bad a year for a first year gaming console there has ever been.

jrob23

#48

jrob23 said:

@Fel09ktl hey, great reading comprehension. Where did I say give up? It's been out since 2012. We know they are supporting it through 2015 with some heavy hitters coming. My contention is that based on how poorly sales have been and how Mario Kart barely moved the needle and its their biggest system seller..they just won't get the sales needed to justify supporting it past 2016. So I believe they are already aware of this and working on their next console and will probably announce it E3 2016 with a 2017 release. How exactly do you interpret that as me saying give up? I only want to give the next console the best chance possible and making great games and releasing them on a failed console instead of having them ready for the next is a failed strategy that they have proven with the 3DS and Wii U. So keep the games coming we already know about but I'd rather have Metroid launching on the next console at launch because it will help sales and also be on a more powerful machine.

Hopefully more fanboys will keep popping off about how their precious Iwata is doing such a great job.

midnafanboy

#49

midnafanboy said:

@jrob23 Nah im not but here is one thing why would nintendo leave the wiiu?What would they say here is a new system we know we messed up on the last one but who cares.It won't end well cause the consumers will lose faith for nintendo and they will fall.

midnafanboy

#50

midnafanboy said:

@jrob23 No one said iwata is doing a good job if he was then the wiiu would be selling like hotcakes.But is not cause he messed up on the marketing for the system and is losing money cause of ideas.

Peach64

#51

Peach64 said:

As always with these percentage increases, it's better than nothing, but that's a worrying figure. MK8 wasn't meant to be a bit of a boost, it was THE game. If Wii U is still coming in that far below the Xbone in the month of MK8, I'm honestly not sure if it will ever have a month where it outsells the MS machine.

As excited as many of us will be for gams like Bayonetta 2, they're not going to have anywhere near the hardware bump of Mario Kart. Smash would come the closest, (and you'll get the natural holiday season bump), but people are once again wincing at Xbone's 200k figure and that had NO games released in June, let alone it's biggest one of the year. Now Wii U's peak (outside November/December) is quite a bit below the competition and it has to go through two full months without a new game.

On a much more cheerful note, it's nice to see Tomodach selling well on both sides of the Atlantic, and might make Nintendo think twice before considering future titles 'too Japanese' to localise.

IceClimbers

#52

IceClimbers said:

@jrob23 It isn't always about system sellers. 3DS recovered because it received a steady stream of games that created a strong, diverse library, not because of one system seller. The barrage of games saved that system. Nintendo is going for the same strategy here. Mario Kart 8's job was to spark momentum right before E3 and start a snowball effect that will really get going once Hyrule Warriors releases, as there shouldn't be any major droughts after that.

@Peach64 "and might make Nintendo think twice before considering future titles 'too Japanese' to localise." coughFatalFramecough

Jmaster

#53

Jmaster said:

@jrob23 You are right about the sales, MK8 really need to give a bigger bump, and the one that it did gave won't last long.
Only, expecting a new console by 2017 it's unrealistic, especially if they're to actually give it some launch titles. With the ever increasing development cycles of videogames, creating a console in five years is near-impossible, especially for Nintendo. Also, do you expect MS and Sony to replace the Xbone and PS4 within 4 or 5 years? Ridiculous!
Anyway, I think it'll be holiday 2018 at the soonest, with MS and Sony taking another year. As for the 3DS' successor, 2017 or even 2016 does seem more realistic.

PinkSpider

#54

PinkSpider said:

Mario Kart 8 sales are good and all but there's nothing coming out for Wii U for quite a few months now, every thing new and decent is coming out near the last end of the quarter. Let's hope they release some much needed DLC updates for battle mode, there's only so many times I can play the same 16 tracks over and over in race mode. I can't play battle mode it's so bad, it's one of the biggest mistakes nintendo have ever made in a game. They could have implemented some great gamepad mechanics with one person on gamepad and the other 4 on the TV, mario chase style or something like that where you have an overview of the entire battle track and have access to all items giving you a bit more of an advantage against everyone else. Seriously why is there no gamepad support for this game. It could have been implemented brilliantly. Why is there no 5 player support with one person using game pad. It's mind boggling.... Rant over lol
Still love the game though but come on nintendo sort it out

Nintendofan83

#55

Nintendofan83 said:

Nice to see an improvement but i'm starting to realize the Wii U is going to end up more like the Gamecube than the Wii. Like the Gamecube, the Wii U has underwhelming sales yet it can boast an impressive lineup of games both now and in the foreseeable future. GC had some unique titles that I still love like Mario Sunshine and Luigi's Mansion. The Wii U was a gamble by Nintendo and it hasn't panned out. The gamepad isn't attractive enough for casual gamers who find it clunky and there haven't been enough games that showcase the technical abilities of the gamepad. Mario Maker should have been release a long time go. As of now, the gamepad hurts more than helps (IMO). Also, marketing hasn't been impactful nor consistent. Most titles receive limited commercial exposure and the name confuses some people; specifically parents, who say "doesn't Jimmy already have something called Wii?". By the end of 2015, I think the Wii U will be around 15 million sales but Nintendo will be preparing for new hardware. Personally, I really enjoy my Wii U and I'm going to keep it. I think the Wii U will be very collectable in the future as a rarer system with solid games.

Artwark

#56

Artwark said:

Good news for us. But show actual numbers for pete's sake like how Star Fox 64 3D sold?

readyletsgo

#57

readyletsgo said:

Hmm, whatever way you look at it, the WiiU is failing. And why is it failing? NO ADVERTISMENTS! Seriously, just advertise DKTF or MK8 or W101 or even Shovel Knight with actual game play for that one game and saying only on WiiU. Why is this so hard for Nintendo? I really don't understand it at all.

Seriously, it's all because of the no advertments that people don't care. It's a great system, but people just don't know or care.

I think the next Ninty system will be unvailed in 2016 and launched in 2017 but all our games we want we will still get for the WiiU, Zelda u will be the last game. The next system will be stronger than the twins and will have a 10 year life span. Will have all the bells and whistles like the other two but with Ninty charm and games. I would like to think right now they are re-evaluating their kid friendly plans for the next system as it is clearly not working on the WiiU like it did with the Wii.

Ugh, frustrating.

kobashi100

#58

kobashi100 said:

Nice boost for Wii U although I expected more. The major problem is that with no steady release of games the console cannot build up any momentum.

These droughts are a joke. The reality is that the Wii U will reach gamecube levels of success and that's about it.

Action51

#59

Action51 said:

Wow....amateur sales and marketing executive hour in here...

My advice: Take these numbers for what they are, a nice positive bump for a console that is still struggling but doing better recently in sales and public perception.

The Mushroom Kingdom wasn't built in a day...and it will take some effort to get the Nintendo console business back on track.

Peach64

#60

Peach64 said:

Some little bits on digital LTD sales.

[3DS] Fire Emblem: Awakening - 63,000 (35% of total sales)
[3DS] Tomodachi Life - 37,000 (21%)
[3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf - 103,000 (20%)
[3DS] Bravely Default - 35,000-40,000 (18-20%)

Much better than in Japan where for most games digital is under 5% of total sales.

maceng

#61

maceng said:

@Twiglingen
To maintain relevance they do need to sell 1 million every month a "system seller" like MK8 comes out. This will translate to about 6 million units per year (which is still quite anemic), and about 35-40 million in its life span. Consider that the GameCube sold about 40-45 million and was consider a major dud (not in my book, anyway).

maceng

#62

maceng said:

From here to the end of 2015 I will say that they will have 4-5 big hits, like MK8, such as Smash Bros, Zelda, Star Fox and X (maybe), while some others like Bayonetta, Hyrule Warriors, Splatoon will provide a nice boost in sales. Those expecting Captain Toad and Mario maker to be system sellers are too delusional, IMHO.

maceng

#63

maceng said:

I think that besides Smash Bros and Zelda, the only system seller left will be amiibo.

Nintendo needs to bring such games as Luigi's Mansion, Yokai Watch HD and maybe a new Galaxy game to the Wii U. And a Pokemon game done right.

TheWPCTraveler

#64

TheWPCTraveler said:

@maceng amiibo is not a system seller, not will SSB4 be one as well. amiibo is something that panders to current Nintendo fans (and nostalgic people), while SSB4 always to be failing the competitive crowd at the moment (though it is generating a fair amount of hype.)

Now, for my take on the situation. Mario Kart 8 is another Double Dash (!!). Yes, you can expect it to give a higher baseline (I recall DD gave the GCN a much higher sales baseline in Japan), but don't expect it to "save the system."

Side note: I know of at least seven people who are getting a Wii U for SSB4 and MK8 alone during the holiday season, so I guess SSB4 can qualify as a system seller now? I'm going to throw a $50 eShop card at one of them eventually...

maceng

#65

maceng said:

I agree with most of what jrob23 said. Nintendo will announce a new system in 2016 to release in 2017.

TheWPCTraveler

#67

TheWPCTraveler said:

I'd be fine if the Wii U ended up like the GameCube, as long as they throw another F-Zero at me. (winks and nudges profusely)

Also, they'd do really well to buy SEGA (and as an extension, ATLUS.) I couldn't care less about the SEGA part, though they could use some cold water poured on them and getting to work on great games, but the ATLUS part is something any game company would be jealous about.

(And ATLUS already has a great relationship with Nintendo, as evidenced by their constant sales on the eShop...)

maceng

#68

maceng said:

@Samurai_Goroh
Well, sorry for the figure. I think it was a bit of wishful thinking that came my way.

Then, if we are lucky enough, the WiiU will sell just a bit over the GameCube.

Samurai_Goroh

#70

Samurai_Goroh said:

@TheWPCTraveler You could also say that the Wii U is GameCube's grandson, because the three consoles shares the same IBM Power architecture and ATI/AMD graphics.
At this point, I think the Wii U surpassing GCN 22 million remains a safe bet, and if Nintendo is really lucky maybe even N64's 33 million, but that's more wishful thinking by now.

TheWPCTraveler

#71

TheWPCTraveler said:

Well, assuming Nintendo maintains its six-year life cycle, we could see a successor by 2018.

If they maintain a baseline number of 3.5 million consoles a year...they may surpass the GameCube.
If they maintain a baseline number of 7 million consoles a year...they may surpass the N64.

MoonKnight7

#72

MoonKnight7 said:

@jrob23

"I said they needed a 1 million month not one million a month. Try to keep up. Let me dumb it down for you..."

I know what you said, as I understand what words mean when strung together in a sentence. There's no need to be rude. Stop spouting the obvious, that it needs to sell better, everyone knows that.

What I find baffling is that you think it's reasonable for any console to hit the one million mark with any major release in the U.S. Then level off to 300K, something the PS4 can't do, even with it's current momentum. The only thing I can possibly think of is that you're accounting for worldwide console sales, rather than what pertains to the article which is just U.S. figures. The only time it's reasonable to think a console can crack one million (worldwide) is during the holidays with major releases. So as I said before, in terms of it being June, and in the U.S., your basis of one million, then 300K is ridiculous.

EDIT:

As pointed out by @maceng, it should be noted that I should have said, "The only time it's reasonable to think a console can crack into the millions (worldwide) is during the holidays with major releases." To which, said person is correct. What I said makes it sound as if I'm saying one million alone.

maceng

#73

maceng said:

@MoonKnight7
They need it. If the Wii U is still around for the next 36 months, it will mean 36 million units sold. Add to that the 7 or 7.5 million units sold so far, and they will end up with a third of the units sold by the Wii, and just a bit above the N64. I'm talking total units sold worldwide.

I just wish that Nintendo manages to sell 8 million per year so towards the end of 2016, the total units sold should amount to 32 million, about the same as the N64.

MoonKnight7

#74

MoonKnight7 said:

@maceng

Thank you for being polite. It just makes things easier to discuss.

Despite what they need to happen, the fact of the matter is that it isn't easy to hit the 1 million (worldwide) mark during the non-holiday season. Half a million, sure I can see it with major releases, but one million? No, I don't see it. The big push comes during the holidays, that's where the millions come into play. You can break it down and say 1 million x 36 months = 36 million, but it isn't fully accurate as that bulk will come from holiday sales (note, I'm taking into account that you don't agree with my statement above, but I will say I probably should have said "millions" instead of "crack one million." I'll fix that and give you credit.). To which, at this time, it is difficult to guess what the figures will look like. This will be a more interesting discussion after December of 2014.

However, I do agree with your second bit, as the Wii U will be lucky to make a third of what the Wii did.

akaDv8R

#75

akaDv8R said:

@jrob23 Are you serious? Both the PS4 and XB1 have nothing worth while to play, and won`t have any decent games until the start of next year. Nintendo already said, and history has shown that titles like MK sell big in first couple of months, and then go on to sell at a steady pace for many months, even years to come. Along with the steady sales, consoles are also purchased on the back of that title alone. What with SSB, Bayonetta 2 and Hyrule Warriors due out before Christmas, it is almost a given that a lot more consoles are going to be shifted. If you seriously think Nintendo are in financial trouble, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Up until a few months ago, both Nintendo AND Sony had reserves, but Sony has had to resort to selling off their laptop division, and their Sony Centres to generate some reserve funds. Nintendo has around 18 billion US dollors in reserve, just sitting in the bank, earning massive interest. It was stated a while ago, Nintendo could afford to make a loss of around 200 million each year for the next 17 or so years. Obviously they would not do that, their share holders would not allow it. the point is, only Nintendo has massive reserves of money that it can, if needed, chuck at companies to release titles on their system. But, and I am in agreement with them, why should they, it is quality over quantity, and with Nintendo, you know you are going to get quality titles, and I would much prefer having say, 1 decent game per month, rather than 5,6 or 7 games, and maybe 1 or 2 of them are halfway decent.

It is pretty much agreed within the industry that Nintendo will not launch a new HOME console until at least 2017-18. They usually release every 5 years or so.

aaronsullivan

#76

aaronsullivan said:

Good.

As long as this eventually pays off for Nintendo so they can keep making the types of games I love, I'll be happy. The more success the better as long as Nintendo doesn't have to compromise quality to get there.

This is promising.

Andross

#77

Andross said:

Don't understand Nintendo fanboy logic.. Both the PS4 and Xbone will have more great games in their first year on the market than the Wii U had, and most people are buying consoles mainly for the multiplatform games (GTA, CoD, BF, AC, FIFA etc). The whole "console X has no games" is pretty ridiculous, guess you didn't buy the Wii U untill 2014 then?

Rafie

#80

Rafie said:

@midnafanboy No that's wrong to say that it ONLY sold on hype at that time. It has games to play. It did then and it does now. That would be like me saying the Wii U was sold only on hype at launch.

Darknyht

#81

Darknyht said:

@Andross The big black eye that PS4 and XBO took from what I've seen is that they launched with (and to an extent still have) very few games that cannot be purchased on PS3/360. Of the exclusives that are available, they have been the mixed bag that most launch titles are. Their E3 presentations were great if you fall in a specific set of genres (Sports, FPS). While they look good, publishers are still going through the first/second year of learning how to best utilize what they have been given properly. I expect that next year's E3 will be better for both of them. But ultimately, at least for me, their focus is not on games I like.

The Wii U however, is hitting the point where the system is understood (at least by Nintendo) and they are starting to work the magic they are well known for. But much like XBO/PS4 doesn't focus on my tastes, I understand that Nintendo also has their focus which doesn't suit everyone. I do appreciate that they seem to be trying to broaden their library utilizing exclusive second/third parties to hit the genres they don't usually bother with.

Mega719

#82

Mega719 said:

Happy for this news but seriously there's way more fantastic games on Wii U, I would expect Super Mario 3D World or DKCTF to also be somewhere on this list

JaxonH

#83

JaxonH said:

@jrob23 They are supporting it. And will continue to support it. Regardless of sales. Wii U ain't goin nowhere, just sayin. Might wanna start adjusting to that fact.

You're thinking too much in the short term. Look at the Vita. How many years of sales WORSE than Wii U before it started topping the charts in Japan? 2? 2 and a half even? Every game makes the library more appealing, until a critical mass is reached and sales make a permanent, substantial jump. Things are not as simple as they seem. It's not just "oh the system isn't selling X amount of units, therefore it's gonna be abandoned early". That's a logical fallacy.

Besides, Nintendo knows (unlike Sony) that if you cut support prematurely you do FAR more harm that way. Even with a new console, the underlying reasons for market struggles are still there. Only then Nintendo's spent who knows how much bringing a new console to market that won't sell any better than the last console did, and they've got millions of pissed off customers who are gonna say "why should I buy another console? They abandoned the last one, who's to say they won't abandon this one too? Then they've got REAL problems. That's the sort of thing that puts companies our of business.

The best course of action is to stick it out, try to bounce back in the black as much as possible. Support the console until the end. For better or worse

Nintendobro

#84

Nintendobro said:

@jrob23 wow your plans sound so ridiculous and are suicide. I would rather have iwata be CEO than another that has your mindset. Seriously and from what I see from those other tow there is still not much to me to go and get both.

MoonKnight7

#86

MoonKnight7 said:

@Nintendobro

@jrob23 also believes that somehow a miracle can happen every month. Said person believes its entirely logical to sell 300K to one million consoles every month in the U.S. alone. I'd discount everything this person says.

Nintendobro

#87

Nintendobro said:

@jrob23 wow you have the most terrible ideas that don't make sense and end up killing Nintendo. Please keep those to yourself.

Nintendobro

#89

Nintendobro said:

@Hernandez what is it with you guys? You guys make me laugh making ideas that might kill or hurt Nintendo more. Ok that is just me others agree with me that the PS4 and Xbone are not worth it. Why on earth should Nintendo release a new and abandoned the Wii U!? To screw it's customers!? If that doesn't sell what do they do next release another one!? It's mind boggling that you guys think that with a new console things will change when it doesn't work that way.

midnafanboy

#91

midnafanboy said:

@Hernandez Meh those AAA game you're talking about will always better for the PC not on the PS4 or xbox one let's not kid ourselves. But the AAA games will hurt nintendo sales depending on which ones you're talking about.

Jahir

#92

Jahir said:

I'm kinda embarrassed of living in the region where 3 sports games are in the top ten, then there's shooters... whatever happened to diversity?

Nintendobro

#93

Nintendobro said:

@Hernandez I am sorry It just bothers me that people think that a new console with some more power will help things. Competition is good we the consumer wins but we shouldn't jump to conclusions and think things will happen a certain way. Its still to early to call that the PS4 or Xbone will get away with this gen when IMO they don't have much has of yet. But there are things that Nintendo screwed up with the Wii U. 1 is they didn't have a good lineup of launch titles for it the launch titles were a little weak imo. Second is that Nintendo didn't market this console very well so people could see it's a totally new console they should market the heck out of the Wii U and show its got really great games. Those tow are what Nintendo did wrong and it's their responsibility to get the Wii U out of the hole they put it into.

Action51

#94

Action51 said:

I read a recent report detailing how PC is the big money making platform.

Some of that accounted for the higher entry level costs to gamers for putting together a high end PC and peripherals...however...more money is more money...and being a PC gamer I simply have no reason to pick up a PS4 or XboxOne after seeing what their gaming line-ups look like.

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