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Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze Delayed Until Early 2014

Posted by Damien McFerran

No chance for monkey business before Christmas

During today's Nintendo Direct broadcast — which focused on upcoming Wii U and 3DS software — it was announced that Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze has been delayed until early next year.

Nintendo has revealed that more time is needed to finish the title, which is now expected to hit store shelves in February 2014 in North America. It had originally been expected to see release before Christmas.

Was this one of your most anticipated titles of 2013? What are your feelings on the delay? Leave a comment to share your thoughts.

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Captain_Toad

#3

Captain_Toad said:

Seeing how DK wouldve gone up against Sonic and mario for holiday sales.... It's for the greater good.

Dreamcaster-X

#4

Dreamcaster-X said:

I'm not too badly disappointed because I'll have tons of games from everyone to play but the Wii U needs everything it can get at this point. Hopefully it doesn't hurt sales too much.

thesilverbrick

#5

thesilverbrick said:

I guess it's not so bad. 2014 was looking pretty bare for Wii U anyway, plus there's plenty to play now with Wind Waker HD, Mario 3D world, Wonderful 101, etc.

TreesenHauser

#6

TreesenHauser said:

I know it'll be a better game as a result, but I'm a bit disappointed about the delay. Oh well, I know it'll be amazing when it finally releases.

Dreamcaster-X

#7

Dreamcaster-X said:

Yeah, I'm thinking DK in Feb, then MK 8 in May, Followed by Bayonetta 2, in summer, & Smash Bros in fall.

Zach777

#9

Zach777 said:

It will probably help Nintnendo more since after 2013 Wii U doesn't look to have very much on the horizon.

VoiceOfReason

#10

VoiceOfReason said:

This is Nintendo. You knew it was gonna happen. I'm just glad it's not SM3DW that was delayed after what they showed in today's Nintendo Direct.

astros75

#11

astros75 said:

Agree with everyone's comments, bummed about the delay but it was already a packed lineup and hopefully this leads to an even more amazing experience.

bizcuthammer

#12

bizcuthammer said:

They dont need more time to finish it lol. Ninty knows they have NOTHING lined up for Wii U for the 1st 3 months of 2014, and no 3rd party games either. They needed something there, and Mario Kart isnt gonna be done yet, so they delayed DKCTF. Its simple business, so dont try to explain it away in prettier words, Ninty.

Dreamcaster-X

#13

Dreamcaster-X said:

I'm sure the game is near finished. They just looked at the lack of titles after the holidays again and had no choice but to pull DK & release it then. Probably a better move in the long run, they'll have at least one AAA after the holidays.

rjejr

#14

rjejr said:

JaxonH is going to be seriously bummed.

I like the Olympic game better anyway. Online multiplayer. And it's a well known seller for families. DKC will sell the same Dec or Feb.

steveex

#15

steveex said:

Honestly, I'll probably end up getting the game now. There are already too many games I want before Christmas, and it probably would have slipped through the cracks.

SneakyStyle

#19

SneakyStyle said:

Not to big of a deal i'll be way to busy still trying to get through all the other games coming out so soon. So yeah it's all good~ :D

Nintendooo <3

dumedum

#20

dumedum said:

@bizcuthammer No. Nintendo would have earned more from launching this in Christmas. If they say they need development time it's the truth. They wouldn't have chosen February otherwise. This game will also sell more than Wii Party U, so they could have delayed that one to Q1/2014 if that the reason. They obviously need more time on the HD graphics. Also, they would have known about which releases they have queued for 2014 from the beginning, so it doesn't make sense they suddenly had a revelation.. they simply had a small setback in development touches.

Prof_Elvin_Gadd

#22

Prof_Elvin_Gadd said:

Donkey Kong has been put on a 2 month freeze, and I'm feeling a little cold... lol ;) I'm ok with it in all seriousness. I want the best game possible, and this allows me to finish the great Wii U titles that are releasing this year.

Dreamcaster-X

#23

Dreamcaster-X said:

Nope the game is almost finished. They really needed it after the holidays because there's NOTHING coming out beyond eShop titles. It's cool with me, there's tons to play right now.

Chomposaur

#24

Chomposaur said:

Looks like Nintendo are pulling a Rayman Legends i bet there will be another drought in early 2014 that's why they delayed it because they did not want the same drought like in this year.

whats the one thing that the Wii U needs ? Games. The game is finished i cant understand why they are doing this .. I was looking forward to playing DKTF this December with Mario 3D land .. ah well the hype for this game has now disappeared like a fart in the wind and will hurt sales in the long run

Overall i was quite disappointed with the direct, no unified account system, just information we already know

Also the Wii U update has butchered the Wii`s emulation NES games are like are almost microscopic. Why on earth have Nintendo altered the resolution on the Wii Virtual console games ?

** Please note these are my opinions on the Wii U please do not get angry and upset over my comments. Thank you **

ricklongo

#25

ricklongo said:

For me, it was THE most anticipated title of the year. Bummer.

Let's hope they take the extra time to make this the most perfect sidescrolling experience ever released.

kereke12

#26

kereke12 said:

Unfortunately for me the direct was disappointing, there was nothing mentioned about Flipnote, Pokemon, no update on 3ds, no bayonetta news or X But the only good news I found was Kirby. But the rest of the stuff mentioned was good. I enjoyed it but in way I was quite disappointed.

Jellitoe

#27

Jellitoe said:

More reasons to buy this console for Christmas :) all the new games, oh wait....
I really think Nintendo needs new leadership, besides the Sonic bit, complete waist of my time. And The Legend of Zelda Sticker star, seems like shovel ware.

Zach777

#31

Zach777 said:

@kereke12

Dude, find out about Pokemon in a couple weeks when it releases. They didn't need to say anything else. Keep a little mystery at least!

unrandomsam

#32

unrandomsam said:

First game I actually care about (Looks like they kept the difficulty as the default anyway - the default usually ends up tested better).

I somewhat wanted Mario Golf 3DS but that seems totally forgotten about.

ultraraichu

#33

ultraraichu said:

It's all for the best. With all the holiday lineups, who would have time or money to play all these games. Beside a little delay in making a game better doesn't hurt (Looks at The Wonderful 101).

unrandomsam

#34

unrandomsam said:

Sucks they didn't put the effort they put into 3D world into New Super Mario Bros U though.

NintyMan

#35

NintyMan said:

Yeah, this was extremely disappointing, but I'm getting over my shock. If it's to make the game even more awesome, then so be it. I'll be having plenty of platforming because of Mario and Sonic anyway.

I only wish that they could have at least shown us some new gameplay footage because it would've at least helped.

HappyHappy

#36

HappyHappy said:

WHY?! I wanted to get this for Christmas. Oh well, I guess I'll just get Sonic Lost World in its place.

Bob-t-Gmaestro

#39

Bob-t-Gmaestro said:

As much as I'm hyped for this game, I suppose I can wait a little longer. Christmas is already looking expensive anyways. Also, it's gonna be around February? Sweet! I can ask for that as a present. Hope it doesn't get delayed like the GAME THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE RELEASED IN FEBRUARY LAST YEAR, (which I'm over that now.)

Pachterkid

#40

Pachterkid said:

It's a shame because out of all of the big Nintendo titles this fall this was the one I was most looking forward to the most, but if the extra time makes for a better game overall it'll be worth it.

Or maybe it is just a move for sales purposes, as some people have already pointed out. That's smart too. Not only would it be competing with Mario during the holiday rush, but with the PS4 and Xbox One releases as well.

In either case, a few months really isn't the end of the world, and this game is going to be great.

WIIUMADBRO

#41

WIIUMADBRO said:

I'm bummed, but now i realized with Mario comming out at the end of November it's going to hurt DKC sales. And this decision will give Watch Dogs December( with improvements from the last gen versions) so it will convince Ubi to make more games for the U. So everybody pouting STFU and show that we love 3rd party games by buying black flag and watchdogs this holiday.

CliffordB

#42

CliffordB said:

It makes me laugh, I'm a long time Nintendo fan, since the days of the NES in fact, but, Nintendo just keep messing up time and time again, this was another terrible Direct, especially if your only interested in the Wii U.

We keep hearing that it's down to the third party developer's (or lack of) that's killing Nintendo and the Wii U, but, IMO Nintendo seem to be doing a fine job of hammering nails into their own coffin without any help.

Why on earth they continue to overlook putting Gamecube titles on the VC I'll never know, and this latest delay with DKC is terrible news.

I want to buy games for my Wii U and support Nintendo, but they make it really hard, I feel sorry for anyone that only owns a Wii U, luckily for me I have other games I can play (GTA V, The Last of US, Bioshock Infinite & Beyond Two Souls etc.) on other consoles.

I just don't think Nintendo are trying hard enough with the Wii U, period.

Dambuster

#44

Dambuster said:

The wii u really needed a good xmas, against the ps4 and x1, moving a finished, major, game back till feb is stupid. I love my wii u, but mistakes like this will finish it off.

ScorpionMG

#45

ScorpionMG said:

@JogurtTheYogurt http://nintendoenthusiast.com/news/theres-wii-u-system-update-available-download/
If you go at the end it says: Here is some updated information from Nintendo’s Network Services Agreement:

The Network Services may permit you to transfer some or all of your data, information, account balances, and Digital Content between Nintendo Devices that you own, or between your Network Accounts. Please refer to the User Manual for more information on this feature.

Doma

#46

Doma said:

Just as i thought, it will be best to wait this system out until it's done with before buying one.

thesilverbrick

#47

thesilverbrick said:

@JogurtTheYogurt First of all, DKC isn't finished yet, hence the delay. Unlike Ubisoft with Rayman Legends, Nintendo is delaying the game to finish it and perfect it, not to port it to other consoles. I'm disappointed, as well, but I understand that it'll help make the end product a better game.

Also, I'm actually happy they changed the resolution on the NES games. I hated that they automatically played in a stretched widescreen mode, when they were never intended for that back in the 80s and 90s. Sorry, but that's the way they're supposed to be...

TruenoGT

#48

TruenoGT said:

Hoping they fill the gaps with some good VC announcements. You don't buy a system to play old games necessarily, but many old games and a couple new games are better than no old games and a couple new games.

RedYoshi999

#49

RedYoshi999 said:

I don't mind really, I'd much rather have DKC delayed than 3D World. I haven't got the required amount of hype for it yet and there's so much lined up for 2013.

datamonkey

#50

datamonkey said:

I'm still waiting for positive news for Wii U but instead it's all just negative.

I am starting to think Nintendo's resources are too limited to support HD development.

We are nearly a year into Wii U's life and tbh I regret buying it so far...

seronja

#51

seronja said:

a real shame, but it shows that Retro is trying to make this game the best they can

LUIGITORNADO

#53

LUIGITORNADO said:

@thesilverbrick

Sucks to what they said. They're probably delaying it because they have nothing to slated for early 2014 and the Holiday is looking a little crowded...especially with two new console launches.

thesilverbrick

#54

thesilverbrick said:

@LUIGITORNADO They stand to sell more copies if they can get this title out before Christmas, honestly. I have my doubts that's the reason. Any game they can add to the lineup for the holiday season helps them against Sony and Microsoft.

Morph

#55

Morph said:

Its amusing seeing some of the reactions on here, chill whats a few months, whatever the reason for the delay, development, tactical or otherwise

Ryno

#58

Ryno said:

There are plenty of Wii U games to play from now until February.

Mahe

#59

Mahe said:

This is an unfortunate blow to the Wii U game selection this year. Still have plenty of games to play like Wii Party U and Wii Fit U though.

WaLzgiStaff

#61

WaLzgi said:

It's a smart business move. They didn't want it to cannibalize on other games like Sonic or Mario. The Wii U still has enough without it.

Dreamcaster-X

#62

Dreamcaster-X said:

Yeah for all the Negative Nancy's & Debbie Downers out there, there's still PLENTY of new games out and coming til December. Wind Waker (physical) this week, Sonic 3 weeks later, Mario 3D World 3 weeks after that plus all of the 3rd party stuff. AC IV, Watchdogs, Arkham Origins, Lego Marvel just to name a few so CHILL out!!! = )

WiiLovePeace

#63

WiiLovePeace said:

I almost cried hearing this announcement :'( Got my best friend coming over from Japan for a few weeks at the end of the year & we planned to tear through this game co-op & in one sitting for an epic & arduous multi-day, all-nighter, gaming extravaganza of epicness! But now we have to settle for some other game... :'(

GreatPlayer

#64

GreatPlayer said:

@WiiLovePeace Don't worry. We get Sonic and it is all that matter. :> Nintendo probably thinks that Mario is too similar to Donkey Kong and thus they decide to delay the sales of Donkey Kong.

DRLAdmin

#65

DRL said:

This was my most anticipated title of 2013, so you can bet I'm disappointed. :(

jrob23

#67

jrob23 said:

no denying that this blows. that said, the fall is packed with many many games especially 3rd party. 3d Word looks amazing and I imagine they will have some great bundles with those Mario and Luigi wiimotion plus controllers. People saying 2014 looks slow. Huh? How do you figure. They will have 2 of their biggest sellers coming out in Super Smash Brothers and MarioKart plus another strong title in Bayonetta 2. Now with Donkey Kong that is 4 very good games confirmed for 2014. I'm sure there are several not announced and a multitude of 3rd parties as well. Besides, we'll have PS4 to play as well. How much time do you people have to game??? lol

ricklongo

#68

ricklongo said:

@CliffordB Have you seen the amount of AAA games coming for the WIi U these holidays? There are plenty of first-party and third-party stuff, including Watch_Dogs, Assassin's Creed, and a third-party exclusive in the form of Sonic Lost World.

I was looking forward to Tropical Freeze as much as the next guy (actually, scrap that: probably MUCH more than the next guy), and I definitely get the frustration. But the fact is, Wii U owners will have plenty to do in the next few months.

Goginho

#69

Goginho said:

OK Nintendo. Keep your head up high, stay positive, this may hurt sales a little bit, but when february hits, the marketing needs to be top notch, similar to the advertising you've delivered with Donky Kong Country Returns 3D earlier this year :)

Sceptic

#71

Sceptic said:

And with that, they basically said they have nothing new of their own for this holiday season.

FineLerv

#72

FineLerv said:

Hopefully by that time I'll have gotten over my Wonderful 101 addiction... seriously, that theme song plays in my head when I'm trying to get to sleep. It's like a Siren's call...

Luffymcduck

#74

Luffymcduck said:

Yes, I´m disappointed that it's delayed, possibly only because there's nothing else in Q1 next year. But if they actually take time and add new levels then I'm OK with it.

wombatkidd

#75

wombatkidd said:

@JogurtTheYogurt "The game is finished i cant understand why they are doing this ."

Yeah, no it isn't. Unless you work at Nintendo and know this for a fact it's not true.

"Also the Wii U update has butchered the Wii`s emulation NES games are like are almost microscopic. Why on earth have Nintendo altered the resolution on the Wii Virtual console games ?"

Yes darn them for making games play in their original aspect ratio like they're supposed to.

I take it you're one of those people who watches TV stretched and doesn't see the problem.

thefabfour64

#76

thefabfour64 said:

It's amazing how ill-prepared Nintendo was for HD development. The Wii U is screwed this holiday season.

thefabfour64

#78

thefabfour64 said:

@thesilverbrick Yes, that should do pretty well. The Wii U is in a really bad spot and it really could've used a game like DKC:TF. Third party support is going down the drain and Nintendo delaying one of their big titles isn't going to instill confidence into publishers or even consumers. I like my Wii U, but Nintendo has made so many mistakes with it.

KalosN

#79

KalosN said:

I hope they make the game both more skillfull and challenging to make the reviewers not complain for being too difficult.
I also hope for online leaderboards.

ToxieDogg

#80

ToxieDogg said:

In one way....GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I wanted this by Xmas.

In another way, Woohoo! At least it's one less drain on my back balance this year as I'll be buying Zelda: Wind Waker HD, Phoenix Wright: Dual Destinies, Prof. Layton and the Azran Legacy, Bravely Default, Sonic: Lost World, Super Mario 3D World, Zelda: A Link Between Worlds and probably a couple of other things over the next few months.

Henmii

#81

Henmii said:

It's a pity, but it is understandable! Nintendo feared Mario 3D land and Sonic Lost worlds would canibalize the DKC sales. Besides, we already have the awesome Rayman legends. And Nintendo probably hopes that when the Wii u takes off, they also sell more New super mario bros u copies!

However, I hope DKC still gets the marketing that it deserves! Would be a shame if the game fails, sales wise!!

boynerdrambling

#82

boynerdrambling said:

Smart move. We get a more polished game and a release drought is avoided since there was nothing coming until mario kart in march/april/may. The holidays seasons was already jammed packed anyway.

And to all those whinging they didnt get what they wanted for the direct, things obviously werent ready to be announced. Would it kill you to have some paitence? Nintendo announces things when their good and ready, not when a bunch of over zelous fans on a internet forum demaned it. But what am i saying, gamers these days are impaitent, spoilt brats.

Chomposaur

#83

Chomposaur said:

@wombatkidd ah ... these are the type of comments i get of fanboys regarding the screen ratio on old games. Another person has gave me some BS excuse " Its how they are meant to be played " what year are we in ? 1990 ? Being a Nintendo fan i do not know ...

is Nintendo incapable of making old games such as Mario bros full screen ? i mean can they not do that ? Look at the old sonic games on the 360. THAT is how you emulate an old game, not just dumping the rom onto the eshop .. Before i could play my no.1 favorite game Majoras mask, upscalled to HD FULL SCREEN on my 46 inch TV. Now its 4:3 WHY on EARTH have they altered the screen resolution for the wii update ?

rdp223

#84

rdp223 said:

I don't think its too bad..theres already so much coming out that I wouldn't even know which games to play. D:

hcfwesker

#85

hcfwesker said:

As I've posted numerous times, this & Batman AO were my 2 most anticipated games for the Holiday season. I can manage the wait though. Already overwhelmed as it is with games :D

@JogurtTheYogurt I did the PS1 scaling/stretch thing for dino crisis 2 on ps3; and immediately switched it back to it's original format. Though, the plus side is it's optional on ps3, which Nintendo should have just updated an option in rather than make it the only ratio available.

sinalefa

#86

sinalefa said:

Don't really mind. I still get 3D World and Lost World (so many worlds, lol) to name a few, plus this means no game expenses for December. If they need to improve the game it is great (I did not die for waiting on Bioshock Infinite) and if they need to switch the game to avoid a drought for next year then I don't care.

UgliestSoup

#87

UgliestSoup said:

So really the only two games coming this year worth buying this holiday for the Wii U are Mario world and Sonic Lost Worlds. What a great lineup. No wonder this console is dead in the water. Like flying out of a cannon like dog turd.

PerezBro99

#88

PerezBro99 said:

Well, I guess I'll be doing mushroom business for this holidays.

And by the way, look at the FURRRRR look at the FURRRRR!

Kaabiitorori

#90

Kaabiitorori said:

Gotta admit I was a little disappointed with this delay, but after watching the Nintendo Direct I thought to myself: "Well, I'll have a tremendous bunch of games to play for both my 3DS and my Wii U, aside from any non-Nintendo platforms, until February!".

While the delay may serve to polish the game a bit more, I suppose it can be quite sensible to push the game for a later release to get the benefit of not being undermined by the rest of the Christmas line-up. 2 Zelda's, 1 Mario, 1 Sonic, 1 Mario & Sonic, 2 Wii Series (Party & Fit), Pokémon X & Y... including a good 3rd Party line-up, I think both Nintendo systems will be well catered for. Not to mention, a February 2014 release will help to keep the Wii U with fresh releases unlike the first half of this year which suffered quite a gaming drought.

wombatkidd

#91

wombatkidd said:

@JogurtTheYogurt The old sonic games on the 360 ALSO have a proper AR of 4:3. (for simplicity's sake, anyway. Sega Genesis games aren't actually in a standard aspect ratio. Here's the offical pictures, look for yourself http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/Sonic-The-Hedgehog-2/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410863) If you're playing them stretched than you're ruining the picture. That's not a "Fanboy" statement, that's a statement of someone with eyes that work.

Actually updating a game to 16:9 AR means reprogramming it for that AR which means you are re-directing the game which in a very literal sense means it isn't the same game anymore. For more on letterboxing see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m1-pP1-5K8

Also, you were never "upscaling it to full hd" you were stretching it to an AR it shouldn't be in and ruining the picture. If you can't see that, I suggest visiting your eye doctor.

ddbangsy

#92

ddbangsy said:

I am gutted with the delay to be honest, but can wait while I play the beautiful Mario 3d and Sonic Lost Worlds.

Purple

#93

Purple said:

Nintendo needs MORE 3rd party support. Why does everyone fear NINTENDO? is it because they can't compete with the amazingly awesome First Party games fore Wii U? ...

Purple

#94

Purple said:

I wonder whats going to come in 2014?... as far as first party goes? i hope they bring a Star Fox game and Wave Race. ... Instead of seeing another mario galaxy what about... wait for it...wait for it.... WARIO WORLD 2
whao!..... blew your mind didn't I? I think a Wario World world adventure would be perfect for Wii U it could bring a different game play style to the gamepad.

JaxonH

#95

JaxonH said:

@DarkCoolEdge
No it wont'. In fact, this will SAVE the game's sales. It was scheduled to release Dec 6, just 2 weeks after Super Mario 3D World, Zelda Link Between Worlds, Watch Dogs, Deus Ex Human Revolution, Wii Sports Club, and Mario & Sonic at Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics. And just one month after CoD Ghosts, Assassin's Creed 4, Batman Arkham Origins, Sonic Lost World, and Wii Party U. Now the game won't have to compete with 15 other blockbusters.

JaxonH

#96

JaxonH said:

@JogurtTheYogurt You don't understand the complexity of the issue. It's not that easy to just "make it" a different aspect ratio without altering the original format. Which you can do yourself, with your TV's "wide" button. And please note, Nintendo has WAY too many games in it's portfolio, and nowhere near the time or money to give each game the treatment necessary to accomplish what you speak of.

Senario

#97

Senario said:

@JogurtTheYogurt What did you expect? They said they would announce things about GAMES coming in 2013. Expecting anything else like e-shop structure updates and then being disappointed is completely illogical.

Kirk

#98

Kirk said:

Seriously; with the Wii U struggling so badly and so few big third party games coming to the system, this is the last thing it needed.

unrandomsam

#100

unrandomsam said:

@JaxonH They have started putting nasty looking filters on stuff. (Like some seemingly random 3rd party stuff on the Wii VC had).

If they enable RGB video output as a choice for N64 and older (Like they are doing for the audio with the latest update) that would be enough for me. Ideally spit it out properly so you can get natural scanlines.

JaxonH

#101

JaxonH said:

@Kirk so few 3rd party games? Getting a decent amount all at once last time I checked 'll, along with TONS of 1st party. This just saved the game from bombing. It was coming out right after 15 other blockbusters for Wii U. Now it's spread out more

PattonFiend

#102

PattonFiend said:

There goes my 30th birthday present. I turn 30 on December 6th and was very much looking forward to this coming out on my birthday...

Kirk

#103

Kirk said:

@JaxonH

There's one or two first party games worth caring about and the same with third party.

That's hardly a lot to get excited about going into Christmas.

Henmii

#104

Henmii said:

I forgot to mention that the new DKC would come to close after DKC returns 3D! So the delaying could be a very wise move from Nintendo!

DarkCoolEdge

#105

DarkCoolEdge said:

@JaxonH I completly understand it. Coming out before Christmas guarantees many more sold copies than on one of the slower periods of the year.

Look at DKCR sales. Most of them were prior to Christmas, then they plummeted. And DKC is a heavyhitter, the six million sold by the last one says it.

JaxonH

#106

JaxonH said:

@Kirk
Well, there's Zelda Windwaker coming in a few days, followed by Super Mario 3D World, Wii Fit U, Wii Party U, Mario & Sonic at 2014 Winter Olympics, and Wii Sports Club. That's 6 1st party games in just a 3 month span from now til Christmas. All are worth caring about, but not all will suit everyone's taste. Having said that, any given person can find at least 3 games out of those 6 that they want. I personally want all of them.

As for 3rd party games, there's Sonic Lost World, Batman Arkham Origins, Assassin's Creed 4, Call of Duty Ghosts, Watch Dogs and Deus Ex Human Revolution. That's 6 major 3rd party games in just a 3 month span from now til Christmas. And honestly, every one of those games are worth caring about.

So 12 major releases coming in just the next 3 months. And the fact that we saw Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, New Super Luigi U, Splinter Cell Blacklist and Rayman Legends all within the last 60 days, makes for a ginormous release schedule.

Kirk

#107

Kirk said:

@JaxonH

I guess if you only own a Wii U it's a decent list of games for the system.

However, not owning any consoles beyond the Wii and seeing that list doesn't get me excited about the Wii U more than even the Xbox 360 or PS3, let alone the Xbox One or PS4.

I mean if we ignore any third party games that are also coming to the other systems for a second then there's only a few games on that list I'd personally want to own a Wii U to play; Super Mario 3D World, Wind Waker HD and Pikmin 3, but there's the same number of games coming on the other systems that aren't coming to Wii U that I could say the same about.

So, I guess it's all a matter of perspective.

What the Wii U needs to do is thoroughly convince people like me that it's the machine I should be picking up this Christmas and I can tell you that from my perspective that isn't happening.

JaxonH

#108

JaxonH said:

@DarkCoolEdge
Yeah, it's hard to predict what the better strategy would be. On the one hand, yes, you are dead on inasmuch that a pre-holiday release garners more sales. On the other hand, any release coinciding with 15 other mega-blockbusters will have much of it's potential sales-power robbed. So a game released during the slowest part of the sales year with NO competition, could greatly outperform releasing during busiest part of the sales year with over a dozen others to compete with.

JaxonH

#109

JaxonH said:

@Kirk
Well said. Yes, it is all about perspective, and what types of games you like. Personally, I have a PS4 pre ordered, so I know all about what games are being offered on other systems. And all of the multiplats (Assassin's Creed 4, Watch Dogs, CoD Ghosts) are good on any system of course, but I prefer Wii U and gamepad integration (and Wiimote integration) over PS4 and slightly better graphics. I prefer free online over paid subscription, and I prefer the Wii U Pro Controller over the Dualshock4 (I dislike that the analogues are below the buttons, it's just not ergonomic).

So right off the bat, the multiplats are not an option for me to buy on PS4. The only game left at launch that's somewhat interesting is Killzone Shadowfall, and that is the one game I pre ordered for PS4. It's not a game I would have necessarily have bought if a full library was available, but it'll certainly due for a launch game.

But the thing is (for me anyways), I find Nintendo games- games like Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Zelda Windwaker, Sonic Lost World, Mario 3D World, Wii Sports Club, DKC Tropical Freeze, etc, in a league of their own. I find games like these to be the funnest games in the market, and although there are many great games on all consoles, these are the ones I absolutely couldn't live without. I can live without Killzone and Infamous, but I could never live without Nintendo games. They're just funner than anything else is to me, simple as that.

Another advantage Wii U has over the upcoming next-gen consoles, is that it is the only one of the three to receive Rayman Legends, Splinter Cell Blacklist and Batman Arkham Origins.

Don't get me wrong- I like all consoles, and I'll be owning all 3 plus a Steam Machine this gen. There are amazing games on every console that can't be found elsewhere, and I have nothing but the upmost respect for Sony, Microsoft, and Valve, and will certainly spend many thousands of hours on each of these consoles in the coming years. But the fact is, I'd rather have 5 of Nintendo's best exclusives over every 1st party title Sony has combined. Nintendo just makes the funnest games I've ever played, and I know many Nintendo fans are Nintendo fans for that very reason. Just reciting "Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Sonic Lost World, Mario 3D World and DKC Tropical Freeze" doesn't sound like much, but in reality these 5 games are worth more to me than their weight in gold.

That's my personal perspective, anyways...

Kirk

#110

Kirk said:

@JaxonH

I think the difference between how we're approaching this situation is that you already own a Wii U so it's not like you need to be convinced the system is worth buying.

I don't own a Wii U, like most other gamers out there, and the problem as I see it is that regardless of how good current Wii U owners think that list of games is, it clearly isn't enough to make those people still on the fence decide to jump in.

Well, I guess this holiday season will be the true measure of whether Nintendo has done enough or not to get the system into more gamers hands, gamers like me who are still on the fence, but at the moment it certainly isn't flying of the shelves and most gamers out there already know of these games that you are excited about so you have to ask what are those other gamers waiting for...

I say if it were as simple as requiring a couple of decent first party games and a couple of decent third party games, which the Wii U obviously has, then we'd all own a Wii U but clearly it isn't and what I'm saying is what it really needs is a few more great first party games and a crap load more of the big anticipated AAA third party games that every other console is getting.

There is a YouTube video that shows just how many big third party multi-plat games are not coming to Wii U (and as far as I'm aware those are all games coming to current-gen systems so it doesn't even count any of the big next-gen third party titles):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ig7A-eaZA8

If we ignore the few first party games for a second then the list of third party games coming to the Wii U is pretty pathetic compared to any of the other current-gen or next-gen systems the Wii U is competing with this holiday season and in my opinion even Nintendo's first party titles aren't quite as world beating and utterly compelling as they were in its NES-N64 heydays so I'm no longer going to buy an entire system just for a handful of decent first party games in it's lifetime.

All I can tell you is that the list hasn't convinced me I need a Wii U.

JaxonH

#111

JaxonH said:

@Kirk Ok, but look at it this way... why would the Wii U need more 3rd party games when it already has more quality multiplats than Wii, GameCube or N64 ever got? Didn't need em the last 3 gen, so why now? If N64 was great, certainly Wii U is great, cause it's games are better. If GC was a great console, Wii U is certainly great. And if Wii was great, Wii U certainly is.

What I'm saying is if we're all Nintendo fans, and Wii U in just it's 1st year we'll have more quality multiplats than any Nintendo console in recent memory, why would we NOT want aWii U? Same for 1st party games. Wii U is easily racking up one of the most impressive lists of 1st party games of any Nintendo console in recent memory. If were bought an N64, or GC, or Wii, why wouldn't we want Wii U?

I'm looking at it as we're all Nintendo fans, and have been enjoying prior Nintendo consoles. And Wii U is easily the finest console put out by Nintendo in 20 years as far as console innovation, the best 1st party games, and the most and best 3r xxx party games. If we're Ninty fans, why would we NOT want a Wii U?

I'm not comparing it to just other consoles but also previous Ninty consoles, of which the Wii U has the best games, both 1st and 3rd party. Imagine what it'll have after a full lifespan.

JaxonH

#112

JaxonH said:

@Kirk It's a tough console to explain. For example my buddy at work kept hearing me tell him how much I lived my Wii U, and read up some reviews on it. Said the reviews weren't that flattering and he almost didn't buy on.me. But he did after price cite and swears it's the best console he ever owned. And he was a MS fan planning on buying Xbox1 before. It's a console that's just so much more fun that it seems. So much better than it seems. It grows on you, the gamepad does. To someone who is yet to own a Wii U it's hard to explain why it's so great other than it's got better games than any Ninty console before it. Low appeal, but delivers through the roof, unlike Wii which had high appeal but delivery was underwhelming

GreatPlayer

#113

GreatPlayer said:

@JaxonH Answers to your questions of why Wii U need more third-parties: Maybe not everyone thinks that Mario or Luigi U was great, and maybe not everyone like Pikman or Donkey Kong? You may then ask: why buy a Wii U. Maybe the reason people buy a Wii U is due to third-party exclusives, such as Sonic?

JaxonH

#114

JaxonH said:

@GreatPlayer If a person wants 3rd party games and doesn't like Nintendo games, buy PlayStation. Nintendo consoles haven't seen a host of 3rd party games in over 20 years. So people should know what console to buy if you just want multiplats. Nintendo consoles are for gamers who like to play Nintendo games. Don't like Nintendo's games? There are 2 other consoles in the market that have a sea of violent shooters and multiplats. Wii U is for those who recognize Nintendo games are different, and some of the most fun gameplay oriented experiences in the world.

But, just for good measure, Wii U ALSO has a ton of 3rd party exclusives, AND more quality multiplats than any Nintendo console in recent memory. That makes for a damn attractive console. But if it's not for you, buy a different console, simple as that. But no console has everything. Wii U won't have near as many multiplats, but it DOES and WILL have an entire legion of awesome 1st party exclusives that the other consoles won't have, AND a hefty number of 3rd party exclusives the other consoles won't have. AND most multiplats it gets are superior via the gamepad.

Wii U has a ton to offer, but you're complaining about it not having what the other consoles have. Which makes as much sense as buying a PlayStation then complaining it doesn't have any Nintendo games on it, no Sonic Lost World, no Monster Hunter 3, no Bayonetta 2, etc... and has no new innovation in how you play. PS has alot to offer, but if you want THAT, you get a Wii U

GreatPlayer

#115

GreatPlayer said:

@JaxonH You are not reading what I said: "Maybe the reason people buy a Wii U is due to third-party exclusives, such as Sonic?" Exclusive refers to games that other consoles do not have, in case you do not know what the word means. So, why would one buy a PS if they want certain third-party exclusives on Wii U? Of course, people have the right to demand more third-party exclusives rather than following your dictational instruction of "buy(ing) PlayStation" instead.

JaxonH

#116

JaxonH said:

@GreatPlayer My point is, Wii U is out classing every Nintendo console that's come before it- better 1st party games, better 3rd party exclusives, better AND more 3rd party multiplats, better and more varied controller options, better online, better eShop, added features like , Miiverse, Video Chat, tv/cable remote functionality, uber fast browser, TVii, etc...

If we're Nintendo fans, it's because we enjoy what Nintendo has brought to the table these past generations. So how is it some are being so negative toward a console that is running laps around its predecessors in every way? I just don't understand. Wii U is what it is. It has the games it has. I don't find it productive or purposeful whatsoever to cut the system down over not having this outer not having that, when people should be looking at what it does have. It's not like anyone (including Nintendo) doesn't want as many games as possible on it. But again, how can so many people do nothing but complain about the Wii U, when it's superior to the last 3 consoles Nintendo's released?

I just don't understand the complaining. There's truckloads of entertainment on offer on each console. Pick the one that has the best selection of games you like to play and enjoy it, because the gaming library isn't going to change from people complaining about it incessantly. It just doesn't compute with me. So many games to enjoy in the world- why do so many people find reasons to complain?

Again, it's all about what you want. There are already 2 consoles offering the exact same thing. Idk why anyone would want Wii U, the only console that stand out as different andwith different games, to get more games like the other 2. We don't need 3 console offering the same games, 2 is bad enough.

And I hear you about 3rd party exclusives. I just don't understand why you're complaining. Wii U gets what it gets. Nintendo can't force the hand of 3rd parties to bring games. It's not under their control. I just see SO many amazing games, exclusives and enhanced multiplats, great price, fun new way to play, advantages like backward compatibility and free online, and can't for the life of me understand why someone would be negative about that. If you like Nintendo, the Wii U is the best console they've made, arguably ever. But if the games you want aren't on the system, and you don't like what is on offer, well, there are other options. That's all I'm saying.

GreatPlayer

#117

GreatPlayer said:

@JaxonH I do not think Nintendo intend to sell Wii U only for Nintendo fans. Otherwise, the company has gone bankrupt a long time ago. I therefore do not think it is realistic or suitable to expect people to stop demanding more third-party games. I do not think Nintendo has any consoles exclusive to Nintendo fans only.

JaxonH

#118

JaxonH said:

@GreatPlayer I agree with everything you're saying, I just don't think "demanding" more anything is productive. Nintendo consoles will never have the volume of 3rd pay games Sony or MS have. If people want more 3rd party games, simply demanding them will get you nowhere. Money talks. There are plenty of amazing 3rd party games that aren't selling. People need to buy the ones we have now before demanding more, know what I'm saying?

P-Gamer-C

#119

P-Gamer-C said:

AS always bad news for the scam u this site should just focus on the 3ds zelda hd didnt help at all its time they leave the console market its over

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