electrolite77

Digital only?! Not for me then, unless I see it for £10.

Would have been a likely buyer if there was a GKC or physical.

@johnedwin

A score on Metacritic is totally irrelevant to someone’s opinion on whether a game is great

Once again ‘vocal Online backlash’ proves exactly how relevant it is.

The games are A*, there’s a lot of people who won’t have played them before, there’s plenty of people who are pleased to play them again. Compared to the originals they’re a clear, if not earth shattering, upgrade and you don’t have to use waggle controls. They’re Mario. Of course they sold.

Interesting split. I’d have thought given the difference in Userbase size the Switch 1 share would have been much higher.

@DangoTown

I’m maybe splitting hairs and it’s all opinions but @DangoTown

“towards the end the only truly decent game we got was Tears of the Kingdom”

Within 6 months of that they’d released Pikmin 4 and Mario Wonder.

@KociolekDoSyta

I’m not saying there aren’t some people getting very emotional over GKC, it’s not good for Nintendo to potentially lose collectors as they’re some of their least discerning customers, what I’m saying they’re a very very small percentage of the user base. That isn’t a controversial statement.

The maths for Nintendo is simple-GKC keep costs down for them and therefore third parties, while still maintaining a retail presence to attract customers who are looking to buy a game rather than a bit of plastic for their shelf. If it means more third party support overall they’re calculating that’s worthwhile. I suspect they’re right no matter what Online echo chambers may be leading their members to believe.

Games haven’t been complete on storage medium for a long time now. The idea that they will force publishers to pay for physical options (more than one cart or 128GB carts for bigger games) to satisfy that tiny number of people, at the risk of publishers going digital only or simply not making games for Switch 2 is fantasy land stuff. So is the idea they will ultimately make much difference to whether Switch 2 shifts hardware units.

Given that they’ve found a way to monetise the VB library I can definitely see this happening. Finding a way to turn their back catalogue into shareholder pleasing subscription revenue is clearly something they’re willing to find unusual ways of achieving. The DS was wildly popular and has a huge number of worthwhile games so I’m sure they will at some point.

North America for me though neither is particularly great.

Alas, no PAL version as this was released in the days when Nintendo regarded Europe as a third world backwater

@KociolekDoSyta

Sure, add all 87k from that Reddit page. Multiply my numbers by 10 if you want. Multiply the Reddit page by 10 if you want, let’s really go for it. Maybe 20. Have we made it to 1% of the Switch user base yet? A system that at last count had sold 153 million pieces of hardware and over 1.4 billion pieces of software?

You can even pretend all of them won’t buy a Nintendo system at any point in its lifetime because of the storage medium third party games are on if you want. Amaze everyone by pretending that a Reddit page that hosts 87k people disproves all the other numbers showing first party games are the main drivers of Nintendos hardware sales. I’ll just give you one bit of advice gleaned from over 40 years of video gaming….dont presume the shouting of the most intense enthusiasts means much. Not compared to mass market behaviour.

P.S. If you’d choose digital over GKC, you’re literally walking into the trap Publishers are setting. They want an all digital future with no resale or sharing.

@KociolekDoSyta

I rounded up from the roughly 100 people on here who keep posting about it, and the roughly 200 people on a Facebook group with 400k members. It’s not a scientific number but in terms of the mass market where most people don’t post about Video Games enough to post on here or Social Media, it makes the point regarding the absolutely tiny number of people who will care.

I also didn’t say people are only interested in first party titles. However it’s well established that the games that drive sales of Nintendo platforms and sell the most on them are Nintendo games. Those are all on the cart anyway (or at least a playable v1.0 is before patches and updates). I feel confident in saying that the number of people who would not buy a Switch 2 because of third party games being on a GKC is very small indeed.

Fair play to Nintendo for working really hard to meet projections this time. Finally. As good as Switch 2 is though, I do feel 25 million in the first year is a stretch. Will guarantee stock on the shelves going into the next FY though.

@KociolekDoSyta

They’re really going to miss the 800 people who care enough about GKC to not buy a Switch 2 (a Nintendo system where first party games are on cart anyway)

If it was with a Switch 2 upgrade I’d have been interested

@OmnitronVariant

I’ve seen that and it’s a strange comparison. Nobody needs a technical breakdown to see Switch 2 games running better, it is easily as much of a generational leap as any previous Nintendo transition. MKW is a better looking games than MK8D. The likes of the Zelda games, Hogwarts Legacy, FC26 and Kirby Forgotten Land are significantly better on Switch 2. It already has several games (DK, Cyberpunk, Star Wars Outlaws) that are beyond Switch 1. Mouse controls are more of an innovation than adding extra buttons to the GBA or Analogue triggers on the GameCube. It’s entirely consistent with what Nintendo normally do.

I’m also slightly bemused about the statement that ‘Sony always make high quality Consoles’ given the well known issues with PS1 and PS2, the YLOD on the PS3, the preponderance of stick drift on PS5. They’ve got better but it’s taken them a while to get there

@OmnitronVariant

Nintendo have just done what they usually do like with NES>SNES, GB>GBC>GBA, N64>GC. The outliers are the years where they threw innovation in for the sake of it, which worked with Wii and DS (selling to a market that then moved to mobile phones), worked much less with 3DS (half the sales of DS and 20% of those sales didn’t even include the 3D gimmick), and failed with Virtual Boy and Wii U.

Fair enough. An awful lot of people wanted a refined Switch with. A good power jump. It’s exactly what we got, they nailed it.

@Pillowpants

It happens all the time. The teeth gnashing and howling on Gaming sites is pretty much never reflected in mass market behaviour.

This is over 100GB on Series S so always going to be a GKC, and that’s before we get to the streaming speeds required. The only other options would be Digital only or not getting released at all so obviously GKC plus digital is better than that.

@OldGamer999

Oh same 😂

@boxyguy

People would still have complained

@OldGamer999

It’s just good business sense. Launch at the highest price you think early adopters will buy in at, and allow yourself some leeway to look ‘generous’ with some price cuts to bring the mass market in

@bleeflooflah

Switch 1 is north of 150 million now. I agree Switch 2 is unlikely to reach that but given a similar lifespan it’s possible. It already has momentum and that’s before any revised models or almost all Nintendos big hitters. If Mario/Zelda/Smash/Animal Crossing/Splatoon etc are all up to the usual high standard it will have absolutely no problem selling

@Clammy

Going from Switch 1 to 2 is a proper generational upgrade like you get with PlayStation and Xbox every few years. I very very much doubt Switch 2 is what Nintendo was planning to release as the Switch Pro back in 2020/21.

@outsider83

P.S. DK Bananza is great

@Antraxx777

That kind of proves the point though. You’ve gone back 26 years, and that wasn’t really the launch. By the time DC came out in the West it has been building a library for 10 months.

Original Xbox was the last one that really impressed me, and that was three generations ago. That was the exception really.

@outsider83

That might be your perception but there was a huge amount of scepticism about the Switch probably until the end of 2018. The comments thread on here after the original Switch broadcast in January 2017 being a prime example (I was among the doubtful).

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/01/feature_the_big_nintendo_switch_presentation_summary

https://www.nintendolife.com/features/talking-point-remember-when-people-thought-switch-would-fail

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/01/feature_heres_what_was_announced_during_the_january_2018_nintendo_direct_mini

https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2017-nintendo-switch-review

https://www.newrisingmedia.com/blog/2016/10/21/why-the-nintendo-switch-is-set-up-for-failure

@TheBigK

Who’s inflating the number? The analyst firm that came up with it?

@outsider83

Not at this point in its life it wasn’t. The Switch library at this stage was 2 Wii U games and ARMS, with third party support very thin on the ground. This site was full of people proclaiming it would drop after 5 million, 10 million, 20….no 30 million.

Not interested in Bubsy or FF at all but will give Mario and Wario a try, never played it. To me it’s a really good thing that these oddities are coming to the NSO platforms rather than just the same big names.

Not surprised. Very nice hardware, upgraded loads of Switch 1 owners libraries, a very solid release schedule from Nintendo*, a cluster of impressive third party games new to Nintendo players, and it all feels like a generational leap.

*7 first party retail games 4 of which are completely exclusive, 2 exclusive Eshop games, a couple of Switch 2 editions with extra content. All within 6 months of launch

@OmnitronVariant

What I mean is I don’t just watch them once, or go and look at a painting once. To me they’re something to be enjoyed over and over. If technology can improve the experience, great.

It’s absolutely impossible for me to conjure up any sort of sympathy here

@OmnitronVariant

Loads hopefully. Games aren’t one and done for me. I treat Games like I do music, books, films etc

Yes as I got the physical for £43. Decent upgrades graphically if nothing Earth shattering, and not having to waggle a Wii remote constantly is an obvious plus. The controls for Yoshi took a little bit of getting used to but they work better for the ball rolling. Well worth the money, especially as my 8-year-old is loving the games.

@WiltonRoots

I lost count of the number of times on here sales of the OG Switch had gone off that cliff. Because evil Nintendo had messed it up.

But also that it being in short supply was evil Nintendo either doing it to create false scarcity, or badly misunderestimating demand.

So apparently ‘product being available in shops’ now means ‘product is selling badly.’

Honestly….

A nice upgrade but nothing earth shattering as expected. The banding of the sky is oddly irritating.

Using the Joycon gyro to control Yoshi in SMG2 was a bit trying at first but getting into it now.

Definitely got this on the metaphorical watch list once there’s a Switch 2 version. I’m really surprised there isn’t one yet but it’s hard to be too critical of third parties when Nintendos tardiness with developer kits is well known.

@nuke13

Reviewers can bring it up but it’s pointless. Nobody will be making a purchasing decision based on what somebody they don’t know on the Internet says, whether a reviewer or someone commenting under the review.

FYI Mario All Stars would cost $134.52 adjusted for inflation now. Even the Wii ROM on a disc rerelease would be $44.57. Whether them prices matter to you, whether those games have any relevance to you, whether the price of Pikmin 1&2 matters to me in relation to Mario Galaxy….all subjective.

@nuke13

It’s totally pointless. You might think it’s terrible value. The reviewer might think it’s decent value. A reviewer on a different site will think it’s amazing value. I might think it’s fair to good value. Then there’s people who will think it’s good value because they got a discount on a physical. There will be people who have never played it before who think its great value. All of these people earn different amounts, have different compulsory outgoings, different gaming spending budgets and different gaming time budgets. They’re all making a different calculation, so how can any one reviewer speak to them about value? It’s all totally subjective. You yourself use ‘fair to bad price’ which is your own totally subjective opinion, not a statement of fact or a reference to base any review on. It doesn’t work.

@MrGawain

There’s absolutely no way to accurately reference price in a review as value is entirely subjective

The bundle with the plush toys looks ok on the surface, except it’s £56.85 to pre order the game on Shopto and the toys are £15.99 on the Game/Frasers/Sports Direct website.

Never heard of this. Cool to see stuff like this being released, even though I won’t be buying it.

@Ironcore

You can literally see from the comments in this thread that some people will buy a game if it’s 30. Just because you won’t doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be allowed to as you said in post 25. This is just reality I’m afraid.

How impressively vague. 10 words to tell us nothing.

@sixrings

There’s no better or worse, there’s just personal preference

@Johnny_Arthur

This isn’t an official Nintendo site. Plenty of people are surprised that a PS5 game is running well on portable hardware. Nobody is going to get sacked for such an inoffensive statement.

@Truegamer79

People are entitled to their own opinions about pricing. If something doesn’t represent good value to them so be it. Being critical about others purchasing decisions is pointless, they can decide what to do with their own money.

@sixrings

That’s easy. I’m 48, I’ve been playing games for 41 years and I don’t judge my enjoyment of a games system by the frame rate of some of the games.

Hard to get too excited about these though Undercover could do with an update. Nice change for a Nintendo system to be getting back catalogue improvements though.