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@nuke13

It’s totally pointless. You might think it’s terrible value. The reviewer might think it’s decent value. A reviewer on a different site will think it’s amazing value. I might think it’s fair to good value. Then there’s people who will think it’s good value because they got a discount on a physical. There will be people who have never played it before who think its great value. All of these people earn different amounts, have different compulsory outgoings, different gaming spending budgets and different gaming time budgets. They’re all making a different calculation, so how can any one reviewer speak to them about value? It’s all totally subjective. You yourself use ‘fair to bad price’ which is your own totally subjective opinion, not a statement of fact or a reference to base any review on. It doesn’t work.

@MrGawain

There’s absolutely no way to accurately reference price in a review as value is entirely subjective

The bundle with the plush toys looks ok on the surface, except it’s £56.85 to pre order the game on Shopto and the toys are £15.99 on the Game/Frasers/Sports Direct website.

Never heard of this. Cool to see stuff like this being released, even though I won’t be buying it.

@Ironcore

You can literally see from the comments in this thread that some people will buy a game if it’s 30. Just because you won’t doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be allowed to as you said in post 25. This is just reality I’m afraid.

How impressively vague. 10 words to tell us nothing.

@sixrings

There’s no better or worse, there’s just personal preference

@Johnny_Arthur

This isn’t an official Nintendo site. Plenty of people are surprised that a PS5 game is running well on portable hardware. Nobody is going to get sacked for such an inoffensive statement.

@Truegamer79

People are entitled to their own opinions about pricing. If something doesn’t represent good value to them so be it. Being critical about others purchasing decisions is pointless, they can decide what to do with their own money.

@sixrings

That’s easy. I’m 48, I’ve been playing games for 41 years and I don’t judge my enjoyment of a games system by the frame rate of some of the games.

Hard to get too excited about these though Undercover could do with an update. Nice change for a Nintendo system to be getting back catalogue improvements though.

@Sabruka

Yes it is. It’s a Nintendo site and this is an update to Nintendos games system. Not interested? Don’t read it.

@Ironcore

You’re entitled to do what you want with your money. However your idea of ‘better’ is meaningless to anyone else to everyone but you. I won’t be buying it, you don’t have to do it, but the idea that you are sone arbiter of standards who will persuade others to think the same way as you is, to say the least, unrealistic.

@mikegamer

Third party support is all over the place in terms of quality. Hopefully it’ll settle down if sales continue to be good and Nintendo get enough dev kits out.

@Ironcore

‘Low standards’ is subjective. The only say you have is what to do with your money. Same with everyone else.

@rvcolem1

I realise you’re probably right I’m just clinging to hope 😂 I thought SOR 4 looked ropey at first and that turned out great. Maybe I’ll just play the first two again….

@Ironcore

It’s their money….

@Ironcore

It only doesn’t run “properly” to you. It’s clear from this comments section alone that there are people who are fine with it. So let them be fine with it, you can just skip it.

Just played an hour of Klonoa and it really is excellent

@UltimateOtaku91

It certainly seems likely that digital only is the way of the future. No doubt it’s what the industry wants.

I don’t mind people objecting to GKC or anything else, they’re the consumer and it’s their money. It only gets toxic when a small number of people who are convinced their own opinion is right try and tell others that they’re wrong to decide differently how to spend their own money.

The other thing for me is NL need to be careful. They’re merrily stoking the GKC controversy for easy clicks (and this post will probably get deleted for saying that) but the risk is posters who don’t care as much as the zealots and/or are bored of it can find Nintendo news elsewhere.

@rvcolem1

Yeah I’m with you on that. Really don’t know what to make of it

@Ironcore

“Dont release the game at all”

That makes no sense. If you don’t want to buy it fine but why deprive others?

@Chlocean

It absolutely does. Portables have always been a bit behind tethered systems and there was never any reason to think Switch 2 would be any different.

I don’t understand why in this situation they don’t give consumers the choice. Three choices in fact with theirs one being to drop the resolution as low as required to get a locked 60.

Super Circuit really isn’t that popular eh? Shane as I’ve always really liked that one. Controversially I prefer it to the GameCube one which I never really got on with. Very strong selection overall though and a handy reminder of what a good library the GBA has.

@Segakid

Thanks. Is that a good starting point then?

Looks nice. Never got into this series, think it’s time I gave it another try.

Amusing to see people blaming the system (one that runs far more demanding games than this successfully) rather than the developers or Nintendos stupid failure to get Dev kits out in time.

@The_Nintendo_Pedant

I don’t want to minimise anything. I haven’t said anything that would even suggest that. That’s in your head. If you or anyone else wants to campaign against them do so. It isn’t me who’s reduced (unpleasantly and ironically) to accusing others that think differently on this particular issue as having a ‘throne of majoritarian self-superiority.’

@BBBBBBBBBBB

Yeah I agree with a lot of that. They’re definitely a way to ensure retail visibility. The industry would love to move to all digital but can’t afford to ignore that portion of the market that buys gifts and also likes to trade in/resell. It achieves that and encourages third party support by reducing their margins, so even if sales are slightly down compared to a physical the ROI is higher. I’d be curious to know if retailer margins are any better for these. You may be completely right about it meaning retailers can turnover games quicker, if it’s right a lot of retailers will be pleased with them as well. I think if Nintendo can manage it an affordable lower capacity cart for smaller games I think that would solve a lot of the issues, but for a lot of games they’re here to stay.

@The_Nintendo_Pedant

You need to be clear on which bit (among the things I actually said) you have an issue with

There’s always the risk that old game don’t hold up but no worries here. These are both still really good games.

@Ultimapunch

It’s a great move for companies. Though the price thing is hard to measure, looking at UK prices some have dropped quickly. We don’t know whether the lower manufacturing cost has led to quicker discounts. You’re right about a digital future though, I hope nobody boycotting GKC complains when all-digital inevitably happens.

@The_Nintendo_Pedant

You have a problem with mathematical accuracy?

@PinderSchloss

I’m going to say no. Which is astonishingly poor on Nintendos part.

I didn’t really see the point in this release yesterday….I certainly don’t see any now.

I absolutely love the original and….is it me or does this not look all that great?

@Rainz

It did take a while to get going yeah. Strong releases across all formats now though.

@sixrings

Who are you talking to?

@CANOEberry

“ My words, sure. Also a reasonable inference from the attitude and tone of the arguments you're making.”

It’s not a reasonable inference, it’s just your words that you’re arguing with.

“As for "purchasing decisions", and my respecting them, there's your blatant hypocrisy”. Talking about "reality" and giving us "This is the way it is - and you're gonna like it!"

I never said this.

“is you trying to impose your ideology on the situation”

I never did this.

“If you want to celebrate choices being withdrawn from you”

I’m not celebrating anything.

“but don't expect us to go along.”

I don’t expect you to. I never said I did.

My whole point is a lot of people won’t care. They’re perfectly entitled to. That does not make them ‘feeble minded’ as you so condescendingly refer to them in post #69. You’re perfectly entitled to care, as is everyone who does care. But a lot of people simply wont. The rest is entirely you arguing against things I haven’t said.

@Serpenterror

They’re neither ‘fake’ nor a scam. Come on now.

@ElkinFencer10

It’s getting quite funny. I can understand collectors being upset but they’re a very small part of the market. Some others seem to have made hatred of GKC (rather than the far more offensive Code in a Box games for example) their whole personality, which is comical.

Most of the market won’t care though. Imagine talking to someone who doesn’t spend time on sites like this. Thats most people, the kind who consume all their media on digital formats and subscription services. Try explaining that they shouldn’t buy and enjoy a game now because at some point in the future (when they might no longer be around or playing games) the servers will be turned off and if they haven’t already downloaded the game (that they’re supposed to be upset about not being able to access) they won’t be able to redownload it. That if they don’t buy it there’s a chance that at some point in the future publishers will go back to ‘full games’ (well, full games minus any updates or patches) on physical media (rather than just go digital only). They’d think you were crazy.

@ro-kurorai

“I can't quite grasp the anomosity towards Game-Key Cards. It's either GKC or dgital only/code in a box as GKC releases would not have received proper physical releases in the first place”

That’s how I see it. If GKCs don’t work out it’ll be digital games only.

“It seems we're not going to get a definitive answer on this, with publishers offering various reasons as to why they're opting to use Game-Key Cards”

Of course we’re not going to get a definitive answer to why different publishers making different games make different decisions.

@Zeebor15

That doesn’t sound right. If it was only because of the EU they would remove servers for other territories. They could also remove the servers now and argue ‘reasonable time’ has passed. They haven’t though.

@HammerKirby

Intergrade takes ages to load and stutters running off a HDD, according to some comments. Cyberpunk is not the same as Intergrade and I’ll go with the opinion of the developers who’ve actually been porting PS5 games to Switch 2 over some random on the internet.

@HammerKirby

SSD Recommended though, and Console versions are SSD only. Don’t know about Cyberpunk DLC, nothing has ever indicated it was a HDD issue.

@VeganH

Millions, but they’re not on here or Social Media. Such places are actually not representative of Gaming at large.