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@Wavey84 Is there a source that indicates these will be 30fps locked? I didn't see anything in the article above.

Excited to give this a try, first time playing any SMT / Persona games.

So product with compromised online multiplayer experiences compromised online multiplayer performance?

Color me surprised.

What does the Ultra Collector's Edition cost? I just see sold out on the strictly limited store. Did they make 3?

@nintendoknife !!! Is it a software, or hardware hack? Might need to do this either when pro comes out, or when I get a Gen 2.

My entire library is digital...and across 3 microSDs so I don't want to risk either until I'm sure I have a backup.

...I guess we'll find out by the end of the month?

But then the Pikmin 4 rumors will start...

@TG16_IS_BAE sorry to hear that. And if you don't mind the intrusion, can I ask if movies ever trigger it? They run at 24fps, but it's a stable fps.

@TG16_IS_BAE being civil (didn't bother reading the whole exchange, just saw it got heated) and curious, haven't heard about this issue before. Do the issues trigger when framerates are inconsistent, or is there a minimum frame threshold you've noticed where it doesn't trigger?

Did you experience the issue with older platforms and genres as well, like 2D sidescrollers?

I can't be bothered to check if there were articles about it at the time, but if I recall there was a similar (and much stronger) statement from the dev team that a Hat in Time would NEVER come to the Switch, so there's a chance.

Also, to those complaining about graphics/art style, this is an announcement trailer. I'd be more concerned if this was a launch trailer. I'm personally intrigued.

@NEStalgia yeah, personally I'm a handheld-only player (no TV) so my dream refresh scenario is docked performance in handheld. We already know switch is capable, so a UI toggle for performance vs battery life would be enough for me and all hardware versions could benefit from that. (As an aside, why do you have ToCS3 on two platforms? Huge fan?)

Lastly, how much lag does scaling add? My understanding about the mClassic was the reason it worked so well wasn't just the upscaling, but that it did it in 1-2 frames. Can't imagine 2 separate upscalers between the game and my input.

@NEStalgia Overall agree, but depending on the maturity of DLSS 2.0 (behind the scenes), wouldn't it be possible to stick with the Tegra X1+ (no changes), mash in extra RAM and a node refreshed and/or higher clocked CPU and see instant improvements with some games (at a price where Big N can still a per unit profit)?

My understanding is the games that perform the worst with framerates, either in terms of inconsistency or sub-30, it's because of CPU bottlenecking. That change alone would be a major upgrade. And if the DLSS implementation is mature enough, you could theoretically have cores turbo when docked to run DLSS 2.0 to upscale the game nicely to 1440p (with little/no code changes from devs)?

@Fulgor_Astral Was it a flop? I thought it was the fastest selling Paper Mario game ever?

Has there been further information that the sales stopped?

Can I be honest? If this is the direction they want to go, fine with me. Can we see a traditional RPG style game with another Nintendo franchise?

Could potentially meld well with Metroid, gating Samus' traditionally earned abilities behind XP and a skill tree.

Maybe put Kirby in the RPG box, aligning his signature ability stealing behind swallowing a certain number of enemies, XP, or a boss character, creating a pseudo-RPG vania? Could also be an opportunity to refresh the Kirby IP and put some true story / lore into the games.

Would even be cool in Pikmin 4, with Nintendo's recent easy mechanic behind a condition gate. If you lose too many Pikmin of a certain type you earn XP and 'unlock' abilities that make the game easier, like your Pikmin evolve tougher skin or more HP or something.

Coming from a company called GameMill you know it's gotta be good. Because when you think quality, you think sweat factory...

This is pretty despicable conduct by the publisher. Often things like this aren't a one-off, they represent a pattern of similar behavior. Any other devs raising allegations of similar malfeasance?

The Bloomberg internal corroboration has me amped. It's a reputable news source that wouldn't publish without at least 2 sources. Even if the details aren't as outlandish as some are speculating, my house would be willing to put down $$$ for two new switches. Almost picked up a gen 2 just for the battery life.

@Clammy ... That's why I called it outlandish?

Leaving the claims more outlandish aspects aside (4k? Replacing a 720p panel with 4k?), is it possible it's not a true refresh or pro, just a gen 2 style component update?

Specifically a panel manufacturer switch? If you changed to a panel with a better touch resolution that would meet the improved 'interactivity' claim. And if they updated battery tech that could also contribute to better performance, either through less aggressive GPU throttling in handheld (i.e. docked performance) due to higher capacity, or longer battery life for same reason. Giving 'better performance' just not what people are speculating.

Pikmin 3 deluxe?

@Big_Nook Too obvious. Should be Shigeru M.

Yes please, would love to start next weekend like that.

@BrintaPap I'm sympathetic to those who prefer physical, but the alternative (apart from more expensive QA) is you might get bugs that are found later and uncorrected.

This is insane, it's like they're trying to get me to not buy this. Buddy pass is cool, but no good if I can't play with my brother on a different continent

Cool, I just picked this up on sale last week!

@Ulysses Now this is the strongest argument I've heard against indies, that I think I've ever heard (with a logical potential solution!).

I suspect at least part of the divergence of mainstream publishers away from indie titles is increased development costs, particularly on the graphical front. For non-retro titles (hence the prevalence of 1, 8 & 16-bit graphics) high fidelity art assets are costly to create & polish. If it was inexpensive (or consistently profitable) more groups would occupy the polished indie niche we are discussing. Despite this I appreciate the gameplay experimentation that indie titles can attempt, even if the low barrier to entry comes at the cost of the market flooding with generic or low-quality titles.

@Hackleckackle My pleasure.

@UmbreonsPapa There's a difference between valid concerns and poorly expressed valid concerns. Insofar as we are members of a shared community, there needs to be common standards of behavior and communication. Accusing someone of 'Aryan-adjacentness' because they are unsympathetic to topics of representation is beyond the pale.

Indie titles represent diverse viewpoints precisely due to their smaller scale and often auteur-driven visions. If someone doesn't like that, or doesn't like that it doesn't represent them, we can disagree or respond with decency. It costs us nothing.

@Hackleckackle Well, off the top of my head: Paper Mario, Takeshi & Hiroshi (from this very indie direct), Oceanhorn 2 (coming from a Finnish developer!), Peaky Blinders that just got reviewed here. I mean, it's not reasonable to suggest male protagonists are currently underrepresented in gaming. Just go look at the reviews tab.

@COVIDberry Thanks for the appreciation. I don't feel like we can give up on discourse though! Sure, people may have talking points, but if I would like them to listen to my perspective it's incumbent on me to demonstrate the behavior I'd like to see by listening to theirs. It doesn't mean I agree, but it means I can model reason and maturity to the best of my ability. (famous last words on the Internet, lol)

This seems like the most inelegant solution possible, and the messaging is particularly unclear. Sad, was excited for this.

@nessisonett That I can wholeheartedly agree with.

@JimmySpades This is a bad argument. When the validity of an argument is contingent on environmental context, the logic itself is insufficient.

There's a contextually implicit argument that I'll make explicit: majority groups are not entitled to the same reasoning as minority/dispossessed groups. An axiom I reject.

And to you I suspect this will matter: I'm a person of mixed race in a non-Caucasian majority society, and the videogames produced by this society do not feature white protagonists. Which would (within your logical context) validate the complaint of previous posters that more white protagonists are needed, as the cultural context of Western, Caucasian protagonist games doesn't match those of this society.

@nessisonett If you go down that path, they're two sides of the same coin: One group demanding LGBTQ+/PoC/etc protagonists, and one demanding caucasian. One is underrepresented historically, but it's the same reasoning - I want characters like me, and less characters not like me.

I'm sympathetic to the idea that seeing people who look / think / act like you is empowering (and I've yet to see anyone like me on ANY screen), but it's disingenuous to contend that when select group X demand people like them on screen it's great, but when white people demand people like them they're Nazi-adjacent.

And inflammatory rhetoric is not conducive to discussion or debate. It's dehumanizing and dismissive, prone to inflame the passions with which you claim you're contending.

@dartmonkey Lol, how many times did you re-write that sentence to work frisson in?

Shazbot approved!

@nessisonett Not that I disagree with the sentiment that complaints about non-caucasian, non-male protagonists are becoming a tired trope, but raising the level of discourse to Nazi-baiting is not appropriate. There's ways to disagree without resorting to that.

To that point, @Hackleckackle, yes you need glasses

@Burning_Spear ... Physically (!)

The best roguelite I've played was Rogue Legacy, and despite my affinity for the genre, none of the others have hit that same button for me.

I keep trying and hoping, but no luck yet. Open to this, contingent on reviews.

I don't see anything in the article or listing about HD rumble. Does anyone know either way if this is a regular rumble implementation or is it granular?

I think we need a definitive listing page for rumors like this for the switch with statuses - confirm, debunked, inconclusive, or some such.

As it is, you just keep hearing rumors, but by the time it gets confirmed it's like years on. How many games have been 'leaked' by Amazon France or Taiwan ratings board that we haven't heard anything about since?

So since this is a completely natural product, does that mean it's a bone/hoof-based product?

Can they pretend it's made from Exor from Super Mario RPG? He was a bone sword, right?

@the_beaver Yeah, but some games languish in early access for YEARS, or officially never leave (though rare).

@Jeronan My understanding is it's still in beta / early access. Is that no longer the case? Is there something specific about its mechanics that makes it significantly worse than the first two?

Played most of T1 on PC, and T2 on Switch (and both very well received), so I'm curious what the changes are that ruined T3.

I'm inclined to pick it up as I'm half-Finnish. Suomi! Suomi!

Also @Anti-Matter it took me three attempts for BotW to get its hooks into me. The third pickup I told myself I wouldn't play anything else, or put it back down until I beat one of the Divine Beasts. I mean universal praise couldn't be wrong, right?

By giving myself an artificial goal, I pressed through the mechanics that didn't appeal initially, and discovered an awesome game. Highly recommend pressing through at least the Zora domain, and then re-evaluate how you feel.

I stayed up late to watch it live and was very pleasantly surprised.

I'm generally a supergiant fan. Loved bastion, didn't actually like transistor (with you @San_D) but could recognize it's quality, even if its specific gameplay loop didn't appeal, and had my eye on Hades on PC for a while. So when that was the lead, I got hyped.

Seriously considering all the shadow drops, and will keep my eyes open for Hades, subnautica and a couple others. That said, will wait for reviews, backlog is big enough already.

Overall, I thought it was amazing, particularly given how underwhelming the partner direct mini was.

@Clyde_Radcliffe It's at the end of the video @ 34:34.

DA-3280-5622-8262, in case anyone else is too lazy to check also.

@electrolite77 Does GamePass have retro games on it? Sorry, I haven't played my XbOne in ages, but my understanding is that it's a relatively fixed list of 100 games with new titles periodically rotating in and out? (and obv including all MS first party titles)

That said, I would love a legal Virtual Console on Switch. Have some dreamcast games I miss...

There's a lot of speculation elsewhere that the release dates (Sept. 1, Sept. 4) imply other Mario related announcements / releases around end of August, beginning of September.

Though it would be pretty great if it led into an NSO announcement - GB/GBA, Mario-Only editions...

@electrolite77 It would be interesting if Sony or Microsoft did it too, actually. I've skipped generations of hardware for real world reasons, and would be very interested in a NSO NES/SNES style solution for XB/PS.

Funnily enough, I think the most likely company to license its titles for that kind of service is Sega, a la Mega Drive classics.

@TG16_IS_BAE Yeah, but the implication is that the announcement(s) would take place before the management meeting.

I've been hearing / seeing a lot of rumors about some sort of event in the next week or so, before the 24th. I know Paper Mario was a stealth announcement, but what's the typical lead time for the Big N between 'hey, there's an announcement coming' and 'announcement'?

@onex Thanks. Just because I'm curious why is 'score' in quotes?

Is it not accurate to just call it music, or is there some issue with his product that you're not comfortable calling it music / score?

@Jayvir What kind is the music in Doom?

It's a trick! They're just going to feed the indigent buckets of mayonnaise!

That's not a real meal, @Hellmann's, even if it is 25,000 buckets.

It surprises me that they haven't run into IP issues with the rights-holder for Zombies ate my neighbors!

@COVIDberry Fair enough - I'm not particularly incensed as the only SMT games I've played were all on the 3DS, and based on its popularity on forums, seems that SMT3 is worth trying for me.

But it didn't click for me that this was something originally included. Lame. Curious to see if there's any other content to justify the price of the pack.