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I really hate how much hate Zen is getting for this. They've worked hard to create something great for pinball fans. You can tell they put a lot of passion into these recreations. They look wonderful, and they play wonderful. The censorship is the only real issue, and while I agree with others in that I hope a workaround can be found, I hate seeing people say such terrible things about Zen because of it. No, they're not SJWs. I doubt SJWs would want to touch pinball with a 10 foot pole. No, there are some good reasons why the censorship was deemed necessary by Zen. Not only would some of the content require additional descriptors (Which would cause a lot of complications), but they also have some deals with big companies, mainly Disney, who very likely require a certain age rating to be maintained.

I've seen some people say that censorship is the worst thing that could happen to pinball, but I feel that Zen not getting the license would have been worse than this. Farsight's versions were often buggy and way too easy, and you were often seeing people complaining about the issues with TPA rather than actually enjoying the games. I for one was getting tired of having an hour long game every time I decided to play Twilight Zone. I have a good feeling that Zen's recreations will always be quality and always play well, and that's something that can get people into pinball. I've already seen people talk about how they actually like Fish Tales now after playing the Zen version, noting that they didn't enjoy the TPA version.

Finally, for those who are saying kids aren't going to be playing this, I just want to say that I played Pinball Hall of Fame: The Williams Collection when I was about 10 years old, and that got me hooked on pinball which practically changed my life. Obviously I'm the minority, but if people end up playing this, young or old, and end up getting into pinball, that's going to help the hobby far more than the censorship here is going to hurt it.

@Anwpro Have you even tried the Williams tables yet? They play a hundred times better in Zen than in The Pinball Arcade. I love Farsight for The Pinball Arcade, but I'm also super excited to have such a huge improvement over their game. There's no way I can go back to play TPA versions now that I've played the Zen versions.

@Teksetter I've played all of the original pins in this pack IRL and I understand why Zen made this decision. It goes deeper than Zen "staying family friendly." They have agreements with companies like Disney and I can only assume they have to make them happy. I hope they can come up with a solution, but ultimately I'd rather the mild censorship happen than not get this at all.

The devs have also stated they are planning more features like multiplayer for the game after launch. This game is going to be awesome!

@CrimsonMoonMist @Syrek24 @Tarolusa @Syrek24 Sakurai was never harassed. It was a couple of young teens (Who later apologized even) being stupid. Of course when the media picked up on it all Waluigi fans got thrown under the bus with them. The amount of people getting notably angry over Waluigi's absence or harassing Sakurai is incredibly small, yet as with literally any fanbase, sadly seem to get the most attention. It's a shame when entire fanbases become hated because of the few bad apples.

For the record, I'm pretty big Waluigi fan, but I honestly don't think he'll get in Smash any time soon. He needs at least one game of his own first.

@masterLEON Wait, since when has Zaccaria been on Switch? How did I not know about this? I'll definitely have to pick up a few of those tables!

@blackknight77 @JayJ They've completely reworked their physics for these classic games. I've spent a bit of time playing the beta now and I can safely say they're pretty fantastic! I think things could still use some tweaking (flippers are too strong when it comes to smaller swings, for example), but overall it's way better and feels much more realistic than TPA. Hopefully the other small issues will be worked out before the official release.

At first I wasn't sure how to feel about this. Felt kind of bad for Farsight and have never been a big fan of Zen's games.

Then I tried the beta though and wow, this is top notch. Physics are fantastic, the games look beutiful, and the difficulty is pretty much perfect (You won't be getting marathon game after marathon game in this like you would in The Pinball Arcade). This really is the best of both worlds - You gets Zen's quality and their fantastic interface, mixed with real-pinball themes and rulesets, something Zen's original games just can't hold a candle to. I hope that long-time Zen players try these out and get into playing pinball IRL because of it.

@Not_Soos Took the words out of my mouth. Every single challenge mode is something I want to keep coming back to! Definitely my favorite WarioWare as far as single player is concerned.

I really hope the reason it seems to be doing so poorly is because most people are getting it digitally. It really is the perfect kind of game to have downloaded, and I'm really glad I decided to go that route.

Interesting. I would have thought that it just looked for certain words to determine the meaning behind the letter. Like a letter with "hate you" in it would upset the recipient, or a letter with "I'm sad" would result in getting an encouraging letter back. I never really thought it had much to do with proper grammar.

See, this sort of thing kind of scares me away from mobile development. If I were to bring, say, a first person game to mobile, I'd like to try out some new things for the touch controls, but then part of me's terrified that someone will come at me claiming I infringed on their patent I didn't even know about.

Anyways, I really don't understand why on Earth Nintendo is suing this company. Like, they used an on-screen control stick... Like thousands of other mobile games do. Perhaps there are other patent issues that were more serious that haven't been made public, and they just threw the on-screen sick patent in there too, but I really have no idea.

@Not_Soos I can't believe you would pick Kid Icarus over Kirby Air Ride!

Well, it looks better than Jurassic Pinball.. but not by much. It's become obvious to me at this point they're obviously using Pinball Creator off of the Unity Asset store (https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/templates/systems/pinball-creator-74772). Also, I still can't believe they're trying to push the idea that these are "perfect recreations." Those ramps are horribly designed, that massive spot target is ridiculous, the shot to the spinner leads nowhere, the shot to the left orbit seems near impossible. I could go on and on.

@justin233 @IKAY Actually the data miner did find mention of Miis in the game. I have no idea why it isn't mentioned in the article...

Regardless, I'm super happy that Miis will be in the game!

Why do people keep saying Jurassic Pinball is a reproduction of a real pinball machine? Because it's not. Just a quick glance at the screenshots on the eShop makes that pretty obvious.

I'll be getting this for sure! Always enjoyed playing my brother's copy of N+ on DS.

Yeah this looks pretty bad... First off the playfield art is just the translite image re-used and isn't integrated with the playfield design at all. The theme is ridiculously generic and uninspired. Also, I'm pretty sure the DMD is just displaying Unity's default font and isn't actually using dots. This is only going to be about as good as all the mediocre pinball games on mobile devices at best.

Oh look, Monopoly is now slightly reasonably priced!

Oh wow, I was under the impression this would never leave PS4 as a console exclusive. I've always enjoyed N, will definitely pick this up!

@madmatt213 Actually, many machines with upper flippers in real life have dual staged flipper buttons, which allow you to fire only the lower flipper with light pressure, and then any upper flippers with full pressure. This feature is very useful in games that have shots that are blocked by active upper flippers. I know some version of The Pinball Arcade actually support this with analog triggers. Not sure if Zen has ever supported such a feature.

@aaronsullivan Ha, yeah that's what I've heard. I actually joined the Meta Game Jam which starts in a week. I'm like, 99% sure I won't finish whatever I decide to make in time, but I'm going to give it a shot regardless. I'm trying to keep it reasonably small... But reasonably small probably isn't enough, is it?

Game Maker not supporting Switch was the only thing keeping me from considering it, so now that it's supported I have to decide between Unity and this... Obviously, my first game is going to be 2D. Any advice on which engine is better?

While this probably would make more sense on the Switch... The 3DS has deserved a proper WarioWare it's entire life, so I'm super glad it's finally getting one!

I know this is probably awful, but I'm still glad that a Hoveround racing game actually exists.

Part of me is super excited, as I've always loved Petit Computer/SmileBASIC, but another part of me realises I don't really have the time for it anymore. I currently have a pinball game I'm working on that's coming along better than ever before, I want to start working in Unity one I finish that, and now I have NES Maker to look forward to later this year. Regardless, SmileBASIC is fun just to mess around with and play other people's creations, so I'll definitely pick this up once it releases.

@gloom Might wanna check out Planet Coaster then. It was developed by the same team that developed RCT3 and is supposed to be really good.

@Djgoa Yes, because Nintendo sat down and said "Okay, we can only make Nintendo Labo or VC and Switch Software update. Which is it?"

I can't believe it, they're actually using the IR camera for something!

Huh, this seems pretty interesting. Programs like this, that claim to require no coding, always do have limitations, but like, I would never take the time to learn how to make NES games from scratch, nor would I ever want to spend too much time working on an NES game in the first place (I've got too many other, more important projects). Something like this could certainly be good fun for just messing around making silly games, which is always fun. Definitely interested.

If there's a new world, that just a means more fantastic music from David Wise, and I'm actually more excited for that than anything else, haha. That said, I still really enjoyed the game and actually 100%ed it, so I'm definitely excited for some more content.

Don't forget that Celeste's release date was announced! Day one purchase for me, it's going to be fantastic!

Other than that, the DK DLC for Mario + Rabbids is going to be the push I needed to buy the game, and of course I'll be re-buying Tropical Freeze once that comes out.

But, as I'm sure we can all agree, the best news was the Sunshine outfit coming to Odyssey!

At this point, whenever I see something GameCube related online, I feel like an auditor who has to come in and make sure Kirby Air Ride is mentioned...

On that note, since you failed to mention KAR in this video, you guys get a strike. I'll be back in two weeks, and if you haven't corrected this error by then I'm going to have to shut NL down.

A lot of people seem to be misunderstanding this. This isn't saying "If you play a lot of video games you have a mental disorder!" It's a little too vague, sure, but gaming addiction is a real disorder. Not sure how prevalent it is in the west, but I've heard that it's a much bigger concern particularly in Asian countries.

@bimmy-lee Nah, Super Mario Bros. is a pretty easy machine to find, actually. It's a pretty fun game imo.

Yeah, this review isn't that great. As many people have mentioned, the reviewer did seem to miss the point of SPA. I can understand someone just not enjoying these machines as much as Zen, but the complaints here don't focus on the aspects of the games that really matter and it sounds like the reviewer never really dug into the machines. The reviewer complains about how the the machines don't have the latest licenses (Licenses ultimately are the least important part of a pinball game. There are great pinball machines with awful licenses (eg The Shadow) and awful pinball machines with great licenses (eg Street Fighter II)) and how the games featured in SPA are so much "simpler" compared to Zen's offerings. Sure, Zen's games are bright and flashy, but the games in SPA, especially the newer ones, have much more depth when it comes to things to do and strategies to take. Gameplay is where it really counts. Not to mention the fantastic thought and engineering that went into designing these games in the first place (Obviously harder to appreciate in digital form, but still). Also find it funny how the reviewer mentions The Walking Dead as something you wouldn't see here when Stern actually did a Walking Dead machine a few years ago. Hopefully it comes to SPA some time.

There are valid complaints too though. No online leader boards, or even hotseat multiplayer are big omissions. Online leader boards are standard for pinball games these days and, as all these machines are either emulated or use the exact same code as the real life machines, which already have multiplayer fully programmed, multiplayer should be extremely simple to implement. And yeah, these recreations don't look nearly as nice as they do IRL, which is a shame. If they did, there's no way this guy would ever use the word "jaded" to describe them.

In the conclusion, the reviewer states that this game shows why pinball has lost traction in recent years, but the funny thing is, pinball has been on the rise in the past few years and is currently the biggest it's been since the early 90s. Many of the newer games here are part of that rise. AC/DC currently ranks at #10 on Pinside's top 100 list (based off of user reviews of the machines), Stern Star Trek at #11, and Ghostbusters at #29. Again, I get it if the reviewer didn't enjoy these games as much as Zen's, but at least give us proper reasons why instead of just telling us that Zen has better licenses than Stern.

Easily Breath of the Wild. I still haven't beat it but I'm still really enjoying it! After that would either be Mario Odyssey or Sonic Mania... and call me crazy but I think I might actually give Sonic Mania the edge over Odyssey. I can't really put my finger on why, but looking back I feel like I just had more fun with Mania...

I wouldn't call this the "definitive pinball title." Don't get me wrong, Zen is great, but it's not for everybody, myself included. I'm so glad we have both Zen and The Pinball Arcade, as both games combined offer something for everybody.

I'm going to keep trying to get into Zen though. I think I just need to go into their tables with different expectations than I do with real life machines.

@Shiryu Huh, didn't think I'd see any Olof Gustafsson love in here! The music he did for the Pinball Fantasies and Illusions intros are my favorites.

Wow, I can't believe Farsight actually beat Zen when it comes to quality for once, haha.

Still, I'm just waiting for the regular TPA. I don't want to purchase Stern games in a separate app, and I'm not a fan of Zen, although I am considering buying the Portal table (Does anyone know if that one has any swearing in it?).

I might give Zen another shot once this releases. While I haven't enjoyed their games all that much before, I also haven't tried any of their newer stuff. Plus, the Switch is just too perfect for pinball, and I'm getting tired of waiting for Farsight to bring The Pinball Arcade to Switch.

@Snow-Dust Hate to break it to you, but Dreamworks was bought by the same company that owns Illumination and is now heading in the same direction.

But yeah, the moment I read "Illumination" I pretty much lost interest. I actually love Despicable Me, but after that their movies have all been either meh or just bad. I was able to tell Sing was made for the sole purpose of making money the moment I saw the first trailer, and I can't stand seeing the minions everywhere... Oh gosh, I just realized, Mario + Minions could actually be a thing now...

This is all I can think of.

I figured this would happen. It just seemed like things have been moving along pretty slowly, but I'm glad they're taking their time. I also really like how they went about announcing the delay in that trailer, heh.

Well, as pointless as it seems at least we know Nintendo is working to add this to all games. Personally I hope PuyoPuyo Tetris gets this update soon, I'd love to be able to record some epic combos!

This game is basically just Not-Spelunky.

I really want Spelunky!

Wait, does this not affect performance?! I thought for sure that the video recording features wouldn't actually ever come because it seems like the Switch already has a pretty hard time running games without them being recorded in the background... Pretty crazy they were able to pull this off if performance really didn't take a hit.

@Henmii Tug o' War is in it...

Wow, I was literally just thinking "Man, Top 100 is so close, new info could drop any moment."

I wish they went into more depth on the board mode. Now we know it's similar to Star Rush's Balloon Bash, I just hope they've fixed that modes flaws. I'm already seeing the item spaces everywhere which is a shame, I'd much rather they just bring item shops back.

This reminds, wasn't Reggie part of a Pizza Hut commercial once?

I had a couple of these growing up. They were either V3, 4, or 5, not sure. I really loved them at the time and they kept my attention longer than most games did back then. I even have a distinct memory of when one died. I had forgot to bring it to a piano recital (Which would have been fine since the versions I had had the ability to be muted) and realized after getting there that it might not make it. After getting home though, I completely forgot about it and when straight to my computer. After about minute, I heard it. It died right after I got home, and if I hadn't forgotten about it I might have actually been able save it!

Oh wow, so I guess we've reached the point where indie-devs are going to start mimicking the look and feel of N64/PS1 games. I'm cool with that!

Well all this soda talk is sure interesting, but is anyone going to talk about this alleged Easter egg?