Not keen on this kind of try-hard wacky nonsense, but slightly heartened that they haven't slapped Wario's face (or arse) on this, as it may (just maybe) indicates that they'll be reviving the Wario Land series; the real Wario games.
I don't recall expressing a strong opinion,
nor claiming that the majority of reviewers/players don't like the game,
just that some reviewers have pointed out how it might not appeal to the target audience.
I have commented a lot,
so I'll happily be corrected and take a look if I did.
The closest I can find is:
"Many reviewers felt there was a mismatch between the target age the style of gameplay seemed to be going for."
As I explained previously, that doesn't mean the reviewers didn't view the game favourably overall.
And in any case, "many" is not necessarily a majority.
As for Yoshi's Story,
the MobyGames archive has it on 77% based on 49 critic ratings collected from magazines/sites of the era.
So not thaf different from the scores Mysterious Book is gettjng now.
But nowhere have I, or the reviews I read, claimed that it misses the goal audience completely, just that the amount of text might be difficult for them to read (a few of the reviewers played the game with children); you ought not to persist in that strawman argument.
I recall at the time some reviews of Breath of the Wild said that the dungeons were lacklustre, yet still gave it ten out of ten; it need not be binary.
"You state that "a few have been overall favourable" but yet the critics rate it at an 8,1. More then a few are overall favourable it seems."
Yes, I could have said a "fair few" or such like,
I wasn't trying to mimimise the overall feeling towards the game,
just that plenty have mentioned shortcomings as well.
"But yet you state you've consumed a lot of the games coverage. If you did that without looking for opinions (reviews) that match your feelings about the game, you would have bought it."
Come on mate, this is really weak sauce.
A lot of people consume gaming in different ways these days.
A few of my students when I taught at a Japanese university would watch Splatoon but never played it.
Myself, I'm middle aged and don't have a Switch 2,
and find myself consuming gaming in what some might consider a second hand way more than more.
I think you've let yourself down a bit with the above point.
I do find the presentation of the game pleasant and rather enjoy watching coverage of it, even to the point of making a couple of custom Smash stages based on levels, but that's as far as it goes (some might say quite far already mind);
I don't feel the need to buy a s Switch 2 for it,
and if I did, I think I would try to rent it, as it seems the appeal is in the discovery (which I'm getting from reviews and footage) and afterwards it's rather like having a completed colouring book.
Again, I think you've let yourself down a bit.
I think the game in time might find a similar place to Yoshi's Story;
a bit underrated, but with issues that are difficult to ignore
And that's fine.
I didn't claim that anyone was being obsessive;
merely that the writer of the piece wasn't.
As for your other points,
I agree with them, they just don't refute what I said.
Nowhere in my original comment did I suggest that any one review (though there are a few, as I said) were representative of all views, I merely referred to them as a counter point to the one you raised regards the game being targeted towards children.
That you apparently couldn't accept that suggests that you need to heed your own statement:
"There are times when an individual review simply isn't representative. That doesn't undermine that review (because no opinion is wrong)".
A mismatch might lead to a game getting an 8,
rather than a 9 or 10;
I think the scenario you painted a little reductive.
I also think it presumptuous of you to insinuate that I am searching for revews that match my opinion; I've consumed a lot of coverage of the game, (to be honest I feel that's probably the best way to enjoy it).
A few have been overall favourable,
though even some of those have expressed the misgiving I cited.
What do you think reviews are?
They're not empirical studies.
In any case, you made an absolute statement:
"we have adults reviewing a game for their expectations";
we only need one example of children not enjoying the game to refute that definitie statement, as it is there are several.
Whether the population at large thinks children should read more or not is irrelevant.
Many reviewers felt there was a mismatch between the target age the style of gameplay seemed to be going for,
and the amount of text the gamer was expected to read.
@michellelynn0976
I believe it is you that is 'going on about it'.
What in the piece did you find hateful or obsessive?
The most I could find is that the writer is angry at the game's missed potential in not expanding a particular feature;
if anything that could be interpreted as appreciation for that feature.
I only recall this piece and the review expressing an opinion on the gameplay,
I don't think two do an obession make;
if there are more I'll be happy for you to correct me.
The writer wanted to express thier view on a part of the game they couldn't before as it was under embargo.
Not sure why this is so difficult for some to understand;
It's not 'hatred' or 'obsession'.
@HalBailman @somnambulance
A few reviewers have mentioned that their young children did not enjoy the game.
Many have also pointed out that the game has too much text for the presumed target audience.
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I steadfastly managed to hold onto my breath throughout the Direct.
Re: Nintendo Switch Sports Resort Brings 12 Sports To Switch 2 Later This Year
Nintendo discovered opposable thumbs just 50 million years later than the rest of us.
Still got there before GTA6 came out though.
I did an internet, oi oi!
Re: Zelda: Ocarina Of Time Remake Is Real, And It's Launching This Year
@guamyankee
And they've been doing these for a while.
It's not their fault the news had leaked,
but the most exciting thing shouldn't be a tiny trailer for a remake at the end; that should be bonus.
Re: Zelda: Ocarina Of Time Remake Is Real, And It's Launching This Year
@Regulus6891
It was awful wasn't it?
Re: Zelda: Ocarina Of Time Remake Is Real, And It's Launching This Year
Maybe when we see him up and rolling about he'll look better,
but Link there looks really off to me, kind of uncanny valley.
Re: New Limited-Time Pokémon Champions Distribution Now Available
So bored of seeing Charizard in so many teams.
Not as if it's that difficult to beat either.
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl - Duel: Rayman 3D
Box Art Brawls Current Total:
Europe: 121
Japan: 114
North America: 142
Australia and New Zealand: 1
Re: Crazy Taxi: World Tour Officially Announced For Switch 2, Launching 2027
Just want the damn original.
Re: Spyro The Dragon Reignites With A Brand New Entry On Switch 2
Got the original trilogy on Switch and that's all I need.
Re: Two New Cuphead Games Are On The Way
Loving it loving it loving it.
Re: Pikachu 1996 Style Plush Now Available At The Pokémon Center
The keychain is nice,
but for some reason the larger soft toy looks quite sinister.
Re: Review: Donkey Kong 64 - Kicks Some Serious Tail, But Goes Too Far
First time playing this in years.
Still love it, but I think breaks are advised.
I kind of feel like I've eaten too much cake.
Re: Review: Donkey Kong 64 - Kicks Some Serious Tail, But Goes Too Far
@Mana_Knight
I'm not 40 years old!
Damn, I've said too much...
Re: Nintendo Confirms Switch 2 Revision For Europe
Got my Switch 1 battery replaced recently.
Was surprised at how easy and affordable it was.
Re: Pokémon Champions Launches On Mobile This Month, With A Special Distribution To Celebrate
@LightSpirit
That's cool as I need a bulky physical attacker on my team.
Expected it to be Y, with 100% accuracy moves.
Re: Pokémon Champions Launches On Mobile This Month, With A Special Distribution To Celebrate
@LightSpirit
Which one is better do you think?
Re: Pokémon Champions Launches On Mobile This Month, With A Special Distribution To Celebrate
Oh that's cool.
Those Raichu variations were the only things tempting me about ZA.
Re: 'Super Yooka-Laylee Kart Playtest' Listing Appears On SteamDB After Dev Teases
Walk before you try to run.
They should make a good 3D platformer first,
rather than trying to salvage the poorly made original or make another kart racer for a saturated market.
Re: Mouse: P.I. For Hire Is Getting Performance And Optimisation Improvements On Switch 2
Baffling this isn't also on Switch 1.
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Europe: 121
Japan: 114
North America: 141
Australia and New Zealand: 1
Re: Best Yoshi Games Of All Time
Will you look at that,
Yoshi's Story and Mysterious Book have very similar scores.
Re: Review: Pictonico! (Mobile) - WarioWare In All But Name, Just On Your Phone
Not keen on this kind of try-hard wacky nonsense,
but slightly heartened that they haven't slapped Wario's face (or arse) on this, as it may (just maybe) indicates that they'll be reviving the Wario Land series; the real Wario games.
Re: Nintendo Expands Switch Online's N64 Library With Another Game Next Week
Here's your stupid Spy Camera!
Re: Nintendo Expands Switch Online's N64 Library With Another Game Next Week
@Maxz
I think they just need to communicate the release schedule better.
Re: Nintendo Expands Switch Online's N64 Library With Another Game Next Week
@WeHaveKirbyAtHome
If anything I think save states and rewind would help this game.
@Dee123
That's interesting, as many say Creepy Castle is where the level design finally gets good.
Personally I like all of it.
Re: Dragon Quest Monsters: The Withered World Announced For Switch 1 & 2
Played the demo for the last one,
don't know what it is that prevented me from getting into it.
Interesting that it's for Switch 1and 2,
hopefullly becomes more common.
Re: Multiple Titles Rated In Korea Ahead Of Summer Game Fest
Why are the Korea age ratings seemingly earlier than everywhere else?
Re: PSA: Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds Adds Another Free Character This Week
Really been enjoying this.
Wonder if they should just call it SEGA racing,
as there's a lot of missing Sonic characters.
I want B.D.Joe added.
Re: Opinion: Yoshi And The Mysterious Book Completely Wastes Its Best Mechanic
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Re: Opinion: Yoshi And The Mysterious Book Completely Wastes Its Best Mechanic
@Gryffin
Well Echoes of Wisdom kind of does that.
Re: Opinion: Yoshi And The Mysterious Book Completely Wastes Its Best Mechanic
@Cyrax77
I don't recall expressing a strong opinion,
nor claiming that the majority of reviewers/players don't like the game,
just that some reviewers have pointed out how it might not appeal to the target audience.
I have commented a lot,
so I'll happily be corrected and take a look if I did.
The closest I can find is:
"Many reviewers felt there was a mismatch between the target age the style of gameplay seemed to be going for."
As I explained previously, that doesn't mean the reviewers didn't view the game favourably overall.
And in any case, "many" is not necessarily a majority.
As for Yoshi's Story,
the MobyGames archive has it on 77% based on 49 critic ratings collected from magazines/sites of the era.
So not thaf different from the scores Mysterious Book is gettjng now.
Re: Opinion: Yoshi And The Mysterious Book Completely Wastes Its Best Mechanic
@Cyrax77
But nowhere have I, or the reviews I read, claimed that it misses the goal audience completely, just that the amount of text might be difficult for them to read (a few of the reviewers played the game with children); you ought not to persist in that strawman argument.
I recall at the time some reviews of Breath of the Wild said that the dungeons were lacklustre, yet still gave it ten out of ten; it need not be binary.
"You state that "a few have been overall favourable" but yet the critics rate it at an 8,1. More then a few are overall favourable it seems."
Yes, I could have said a "fair few" or such like,
I wasn't trying to mimimise the overall feeling towards the game,
just that plenty have mentioned shortcomings as well.
"But yet you state you've consumed a lot of the games coverage. If you did that without looking for opinions (reviews) that match your feelings about the game, you would have bought it."
Come on mate, this is really weak sauce.
A lot of people consume gaming in different ways these days.
A few of my students when I taught at a Japanese university would watch Splatoon but never played it.
Myself, I'm middle aged and don't have a Switch 2,
and find myself consuming gaming in what some might consider a second hand way more than more.
I think you've let yourself down a bit with the above point.
I do find the presentation of the game pleasant and rather enjoy watching coverage of it, even to the point of making a couple of custom Smash stages based on levels, but that's as far as it goes (some might say quite far already mind);
I don't feel the need to buy a s Switch 2 for it,
and if I did, I think I would try to rent it, as it seems the appeal is in the discovery (which I'm getting from reviews and footage) and afterwards it's rather like having a completed colouring book.
Again, I think you've let yourself down a bit.
I think the game in time might find a similar place to Yoshi's Story;
a bit underrated, but with issues that are difficult to ignore
And that's fine.
Re: Opinion: Yoshi And The Mysterious Book Completely Wastes Its Best Mechanic
@HalBailman
I didn't claim that anyone was being obsessive;
merely that the writer of the piece wasn't.
As for your other points,
I agree with them, they just don't refute what I said.
Nowhere in my original comment did I suggest that any one review (though there are a few, as I said) were representative of all views, I merely referred to them as a counter point to the one you raised regards the game being targeted towards children.
That you apparently couldn't accept that suggests that you need to heed your own statement:
"There are times when an individual review simply isn't representative. That doesn't undermine that review (because no opinion is wrong)".
Re: Opinion: Yoshi And The Mysterious Book Completely Wastes Its Best Mechanic
@Cyrax77
A mismatch might lead to a game getting an 8,
rather than a 9 or 10;
I think the scenario you painted a little reductive.
I also think it presumptuous of you to insinuate that I am searching for revews that match my opinion; I've consumed a lot of coverage of the game, (to be honest I feel that's probably the best way to enjoy it).
A few have been overall favourable,
though even some of those have expressed the misgiving I cited.
Re: Opinion: Yoshi And The Mysterious Book Completely Wastes Its Best Mechanic
@HalBailman
What do you think reviews are?
They're not empirical studies.
In any case, you made an absolute statement:
"we have adults reviewing a game for their expectations";
we only need one example of children not enjoying the game to refute that definitie statement, as it is there are several.
Whether the population at large thinks children should read more or not is irrelevant.
Many reviewers felt there was a mismatch between the target age the style of gameplay seemed to be going for,
and the amount of text the gamer was expected to read.
@michellelynn0976
I believe it is you that is 'going on about it'.
What in the piece did you find hateful or obsessive?
The most I could find is that the writer is angry at the game's missed potential in not expanding a particular feature;
if anything that could be interpreted as appreciation for that feature.
I only recall this piece and the review expressing an opinion on the gameplay,
I don't think two do an obession make;
if there are more I'll be happy for you to correct me.
Re: Tetris 99's Latest Crossover Event Celebrates Yoshi's New Game, Unlock A Special Theme
Just makes me sad that Tetris Attack isn't on NSO.
Re: Opinion: Yoshi And The Mysterious Book Completely Wastes Its Best Mechanic
The writer wanted to express thier view on a part of the game they couldn't before as it was under embargo.
Not sure why this is so difficult for some to understand;
It's not 'hatred' or 'obsession'.
@HalBailman @somnambulance
A few reviewers have mentioned that their young children did not enjoy the game.
Many have also pointed out that the game has too much text for the presumed target audience.
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl: Yoshi (NES)
Box Art Brawls Current Total:
Europe: 121
Japan: 114
North America: 140
Australia and New Zealand: 1
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Yoshi And The Mysterious Book?
Everything I've read and heard about this game suggests that it's a nice title to rent but not buy.
Re: Random: Nintendo's New Yoshi Game Contains A Galactic Easter Egg
@KimBread
I like him in Paper Mario (64).
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The original arcade game is surely perfect for Lego.
Re: Opinion: Replaying Games Is Better Than Playing Games
I think I could play Pikmin 1 until the end of time.
Re: Opinion: Replaying Games Is Better Than Playing Games
A good remake pleasantly juxtaposes the familiar and the new.
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Let's be honest, the age group this one is designed for would probably be happier with some colourful blocks.
Re: Surprise! Nintendo Has Announced A New Mobile Game
As the Wario Ware branding is not on this;
I'm hoping that we see a return of real Wario games.
Re: Review: Coffee Talk Tokyo (Switch) - An Enjoyable, Bittersweet Third Blend
It's just a tad too much,
I'll wait for when it's discounted to under a tenner.
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Box Art Brawls Current Total:
Europe: 120
Japan: 114
North America: 140
Australia and New Zealand: 1
Re: Every Nintendo Switch Online Virtual Boy Game Ranked
Wish I could play Wario Land in 2D.
I can't really get into it wearing the headset.
Re: Poll: So, Will You Be Getting Yoshi And The Mysterious Book For Switch 2?
I think I'd rather get it as an actual book rather than a game.
Just port Woolly World to Switch, come on Nintendo.