I mean, it is an underwhelming reveal. It's Switch 1.5, an iterative improvement on basically the same thing rather than what Nintendo is actually known for and good at - innovative leaps in design and function (rather than just power creep). We may be looking at another Wii U.
Wow, this is a disappointment. Nintendo has NEVER launched a next generation console with such small, iterative changes. Previously every console was significantly different in design and functionality than its predecessor. This is Switch 1.3.
I'm still not convinced the rumors around what Switch 2 will look like are accurate. Nintendo has NEVER done such a small, iterative change between console generations before. It's always something remarkably new.
@Anachronism "that ultimately offer a practical benefit only to the people selling them"
Is fun not a practical benefit? This idea that the purchaser of a product or service somehow doesn't benefit is nonsensical. You wouldn't pay for it if you didn't benefit from it.
I remember playing this game, and I never had a Vita, so it must have been on the Wii. Wish I still had my copy!
Did this one have the huge framerate issues that Odin Sphere did? I loved OS so much except basically every boss fight became nearly unplayable because it slowed down so much.
I don't agree that AI use is "theft" at all. The learning models do the exact same thing that humans have done forever, just at a much more efficient rate - which is what all technological progress has been, from calculators to steam engines. They read or look at other forms of art and then use that - not copy it - to develop their own creations. You and I do the same thing.
I have zero problem with AI art or writing. All the whining about it sounds just like every historical complaint about new technologies "supplanting" human workers. Progress always leaves some people behind temporarily. People adapt and we're all better off because of these developments.
It's not unique or new anymore, but so what? Why I would I want them to stop? It's usually better looking than straight 2D. Devs have to be careful to make sure the 2D and 3D styles actually mesh - I have seen some games where the characters feel too disconnected from the rest of the world.
Both are great, I gave the slight nod to Europe/NA because the blue is so striking. So unusual to have that much on a cover, it really stood out on a shelf.
@obijuankanoobie It's a Japanese thing. I actually just read an article about it that it's not illegal but a big cultural faux pas to name a rival company publicly.
The character looks wildly disconnected from the rest of the world. It's not just the 2D/3D split, which I get is a thing, but the styles are very divergent.
I found the whole "Never call it a tri force, it's the Prime Energy" bit confusing and off-putting. Made it feel like it was super early in the timeline - so early the thing hadn't gotten its proper name yet.
Echoes was pretty good, not great. Very easy - a good entry point for younger players. Definitely engaging at first, and when you found a new echo that did something significantly different than what you had previously it was fun to find new uses for it. But it didn't need nearly as many echoes as it gave you, which gummed up your list of echoes and made parts of the game a chore.
@LuXifer "Emulators are in practise legal, both to make and distribute. But the moment Nintendo can prove that the distributor makes even a single cent of what they perceive as their property, either directly or indirectly, they're out of luck."
Not quite. They are in practice absolutely legal, regardless of whether you make money on them or not. The only thing whether you make money or not changes is how willing Nintendo is to go out and bully you into stopping with hollow threats.
It does not violate copyright to create a machine or other technology that is CAPABLE of violating a copyright (among other, legal, uses). Xerox isn't liable each time somebody illegally uses their machine to copy an entire book or magazine.
Ugh, this is so frustrating. I know the legal battles are expensive, but there's no way Nintendo wins a copyright infringement lawsuit in America against an emulator. It's the exact same issue as the video recording machine fight in the 1980's. Yes, the technology CAN be used to do illegal things, but that doesn't make the creator liable for those illegal things, especially when there are perfectly legal things you can do with the same technology.
I wish Elon Musk or somebody would stand up and fund this sort of fight back.
@Ogbert Yeah, I know that's what they said but I don't particularly believe them lol. I think they're retconning, and my evidence is the existence of the last used sort.
@GravyThief That's actually one of my favorite things about the game. I was disappointed that they so quickly give you traditional combat back (albeit on a limited basis). I avoid using it as much as possible.
This is very speculative, but I get the feeling Nintendo's gotten a little too used to people just rolling over when sued or threatened with suit. They think a patent for riding animals in a video game will hold up?
It's all about the money, and that's OK. Money isn't evil. Money is a brilliant and necessary invention as it's a far superior medium of exchange than barter, favors, or relying on the kindness of strangers.
I really hope all this is complete baloney. Nintendo has never done such a tiny iteration from one console to the next. Every time has been something very different.
Wonderful! I love these games so much. Was first introduced to them on PS1, eventually scrounged for the Sega CD versions to play later. Also played the GBA one.
I played the Emio demo. Wow that was unpleasant. "Here's 5 options with several suboptions for most of them. Keep trying them all until something advances the story." No thanks.
@Arehexes It's even worse than that. All the screaming about "scraping" others' content to generate AI ignores that this is exactly what humans have done forever. We all read other content and use it to inform our own writings. Composers all listened to other music and got ideas. Artists all looked at other visual works for inspiration.
@RupeeClock Why on earth is that alarming? It's fantastic. It allows all of us to be far more creative. It gives people tools to do more than they ever could do previously. These are great things for progress.
The whole furor is the same thing that happens with any new technology. Woe unto the buggy whip manufacturers when the auto-mobile becomes common.
On the voice issue specifically, people have been hiring sound-alikes FOREVER. It's not illegal to do an impression (it would be illegal to explicitly state that the voice is somebody it's not). Doing an impression is a talent - if you tell people they can't do that, it's harming them. Developing and using an AI to do an impression is also a talent - if you tell people they can't do that, it's harming THEM.
It's ok. Progress happens, new technologies replace old ones. New skills replace old ones. Take a deep breath and tone down the histrionics.
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Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (8th February)
No Civ VII fans/advance purchasers?
Re: Mini Review: Taito Milestones 3 (Switch) - Third Time's A Charm
How's the emulation of Bubble Bobble? I've seen versions that are extremely faithful and some that are almost unplayable.
Re: Nintendo Joins 'Fuji TV' Commercial Boycott Following Sex Scandal
@PtM I was thinking the same thing. "Sex scandal" would suggest to me something like an on-set orgy among the hosts.
Re: Round Up: Video Game Industry Reacts To Nintendo's Switch 2 Announcement
People who want to sell games on the new system - OMG WE LOVE IIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
Everyone else - Is that it?
Re: Nintendo's Share Price Dips Following Its Big Switch 2 Reveal
I mean, it is an underwhelming reveal. It's Switch 1.5, an iterative improvement on basically the same thing rather than what Nintendo is actually known for and good at - innovative leaps in design and function (rather than just power creep). We may be looking at another Wii U.
Re: Nintendo Switch 2 Reveal Trailer Gives First Official Look At The New Console
Wow, this is a disappointment. Nintendo has NEVER launched a next generation console with such small, iterative changes. Previously every console was significantly different in design and functionality than its predecessor. This is Switch 1.3.
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl - Duel: Klonoa: Empire of Dreams (GBA)
Wow these are all pretty bad. I went NA solely because I hate yellow.
Re: Nintendo Should Copy This Feature For Switch 2, But It Probably Won't
I'm still not convinced the rumors around what Switch 2 will look like are accurate. Nintendo has NEVER done such a small, iterative change between console generations before. It's always something remarkably new.
Re: Best Of 2024: The Company You Can Pay To X-Ray Unopened Pokémon Card Packs Speaks Out
@Anachronism "that ultimately offer a practical benefit only to the people selling them"
Is fun not a practical benefit? This idea that the purchaser of a product or service somehow doesn't benefit is nonsensical. You wouldn't pay for it if you didn't benefit from it.
Re: Best Of 2024: Vanillaware's Most Underrated Game Is More Than Just A Pretty Picture
I remember playing this game, and I never had a Vita, so it must have been on the Wii. Wish I still had my copy!
Did this one have the huge framerate issues that Odin Sphere did? I loved OS so much except basically every boss fight became nearly unplayable because it slowed down so much.
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl - Duel: Breath Of Fire II
Have there ever been two more disparate covers? Really hard to tell it's the same game absent the title.
Re: Atlus Lead Explains Why Persona Protagonists Are High School Males
@shiningpikablu252 I wondered about that too. My first exposure to Persona was those games on the Playstation.
Re: Lemmings-Like Space Adventure 'Moons of Darsalon' Leaps Onto Switch February 2025
I don't agree that AI use is "theft" at all. The learning models do the exact same thing that humans have done forever, just at a much more efficient rate - which is what all technological progress has been, from calculators to steam engines. They read or look at other forms of art and then use that - not copy it - to develop their own creations. You and I do the same thing.
Re: Lemmings-Like Space Adventure 'Moons of Darsalon' Leaps Onto Switch February 2025
I have zero problem with AI art or writing. All the whining about it sounds just like every historical complaint about new technologies "supplanting" human workers. Progress always leaves some people behind temporarily. People adapt and we're all better off because of these developments.
Re: Talking Point: Is It Time For HD-2D To Take A Break?
It's not unique or new anymore, but so what? Why I would I want them to stop? It's usually better looking than straight 2D. Devs have to be careful to make sure the 2D and 3D styles actually mesh - I have seen some games where the characters feel too disconnected from the rest of the world.
Also I could do without the lens flares.
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl - Duel: Okami
Both are great, I gave the slight nod to Europe/NA because the blue is so striking. So unusual to have that much on a cover, it really stood out on a shelf.
Re: Reaction: The Game Awards Left Us With One Big Question: Will Any Of This Run On Switch 2?
I thought the live orchestra was amazing. Not just an afterthought, they gave it a lot of attention and the audience seemed to love it.
Re: Random: PlayStation's Astro Bot Director Pays Tribute To Mario And Nintendo In GOTY Speech
@obijuankanoobie It's a Japanese thing. I actually just read an article about it that it's not illegal but a big cultural faux pas to name a rival company publicly.
Re: Rate Your Favourite Switch Games Of The Year 2024
Kind of a weak year, IMO. I'd go with Unicorn Overlord (hope people don't forget about it, I know it was a while ago) or Slay the Princess.
Re: Rate Your Favourite Switch Games Of The Year 2024
@Inc It used to be more common, but every outlet wants to be first to have their list, so it comes earlier and earlier.
Re: New Hand-Drawn 3D Platformer Is Bursting With Nintendo Inventiveness
The character looks wildly disconnected from the rest of the world. It's not just the 2D/3D split, which I get is a thing, but the styles are very divergent.
Re: Review: Fantasian Neo Dimension (Switch) - Final Fantasy Creator's JRPG Love Letter Delights & Frustrates
I keep getting this confused with Refantazio Phantasma something or another.
Re: The Legend Of Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Has Been Added To The Official Timeline
I found the whole "Never call it a tri force, it's the Prime Energy" bit confusing and off-putting. Made it feel like it was super early in the timeline - so early the thing hadn't gotten its proper name yet.
Re: The Legend Of Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Has Been Added To The Official Timeline
@larryisaman You care enough to take the time to comment
Re: Zelda's Voice Actor Would Love To See The Princess In "More" Playable Roles
Echoes was pretty good, not great. Very easy - a good entry point for younger players. Definitely engaging at first, and when you found a new echo that did something significantly different than what you had previously it was fun to find new uses for it. But it didn't need nearly as many echoes as it gave you, which gummed up your list of echoes and made parts of the game a chore.
Re: New Switch Emulator Devs Are Jumping Through Hoops To Avoid A Nintendo Takedown
@LuXifer "Emulators are in practise legal, both to make and distribute. But the moment Nintendo can prove that the distributor makes even a single cent of what they perceive as their property, either directly or indirectly, they're out of luck."
Not quite. They are in practice absolutely legal, regardless of whether you make money on them or not. The only thing whether you make money or not changes is how willing Nintendo is to go out and bully you into stopping with hollow threats.
It does not violate copyright to create a machine or other technology that is CAPABLE of violating a copyright (among other, legal, uses). Xerox isn't liable each time somebody illegally uses their machine to copy an entire book or magazine.
Re: New Switch Emulator Devs Are Jumping Through Hoops To Avoid A Nintendo Takedown
Ugh, this is so frustrating. I know the legal battles are expensive, but there's no way Nintendo wins a copyright infringement lawsuit in America against an emulator. It's the exact same issue as the video recording machine fight in the 1980's. Yes, the technology CAN be used to do illegal things, but that doesn't make the creator liable for those illegal things, especially when there are perfectly legal things you can do with the same technology.
I wish Elon Musk or somebody would stand up and fund this sort of fight back.
Re: Anniversary: 20 Years On, Metroid Prime 2 Represents The Franchise At Its Experimental Best
I didn't like it nearly as much as #1. I liked the more relaxed approach of the first one, I found the dark areas stressful and unfun.
Re: Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Devs Explain The Method Behind The Menu Madness
But they didn't spend a lot of time on it. They imported it straight from TOTK.
Re: Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Devs Explain The Method Behind The Menu Madness
@-wc- Turtles all the way down!
Re: Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Devs Explain The Method Behind The Menu Madness
@Ogbert Yeah, I know that's what they said but I don't particularly believe them lol. I think they're retconning, and my evidence is the existence of the last used sort.
Re: Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Devs Explain The Method Behind The Menu Madness
@GravyThief That's actually one of my favorite things about the game. I was disappointed that they so quickly give you traditional combat back (albeit on a limited basis). I avoid using it as much as possible.
Re: Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom Devs Explain The Method Behind The Menu Madness
@Ogbert "Allowing you to set favourites is encouraging you to use the same echoes you already know to solve each puzzle in a way you've done before"
I don't really buy that. If that were the case, then they wouldn't have the sort function of "last used".
Re: Palworld Developer Details Patent Infringement Claims From Nintendo's Lawsuit
This is very speculative, but I get the feeling Nintendo's gotten a little too used to people just rolling over when sued or threatened with suit. They think a patent for riding animals in a video game will hold up?
Re: Random: Owners Of A Nintendo Frying Pan Are Being Warned Not To Use It
Is this related to the recent news about a variety of black-colored kitchen objects having problems?
Re: Tales Of Kenzera Director Slams Publishers' Desire To Create "The Next Fortnite"
It's all about the money, and that's OK. Money isn't evil. Money is a brilliant and necessary invention as it's a far superior medium of exchange than barter, favors, or relying on the kindness of strangers.
Re: Atlus Reveals Top 10 'Most Popular' Characters In Unicorn Overlord
I'd rather know the most popular characters to play with than the results of a poll.
Re: Random: The Latest 'Switch 2' Rumour? Scroll Wheel Shoulder Buttons
I really hope all this is complete baloney. Nintendo has never done such a tiny iteration from one console to the next. Every time has been something very different.
Re: Review: Night Slashers: Remake (Switch) - Some Nice, Gory Ideas, But The Visuals Are The Real Horror Story
Is it an animation issue? The stills don't seem bad.
Re: Review: Looney Tunes: Wacky World Of Sports (Switch) - Zany Sporting Antics That Aren't Much Fun
@-wc- Yeah, I should have said "lately". I played some of those as a kid.
Re: Review: Looney Tunes: Wacky World Of Sports (Switch) - Zany Sporting Antics That Aren't Much Fun
That's really too bad. Looney Tunes is a great IP that doesn't have that much video game exposure yet.
Re: Lunar Remastered Collection Revives Beloved '90s JRPG Series On Switch In Spring 2025
Wonderful! I love these games so much. Was first introduced to them on PS1, eventually scrounged for the Sega CD versions to play later. Also played the GBA one.
Re: Late 3DS Tactical RPG 'Fragrant Story' Lands On Switch With 'Papaya's Path' DLC
When this was announced I was convinced it was an April Fool's joke.
Re: Cyberpunk Goes Turn-Based In New Rhythm JRPG 'Keylocker'
Interesting. Something I'd definitely want to try a demo for first.
Re: Palworld Developer Responds To Nintendo Lawsuit
Very curious to see the grounds for alleged patent infringement rather than copyright. Did a few searches and couldn't find anything easily.
You can't patent game rules/mechanics. Hence the million Scrabble clones (though you can't use that name, which is copyrighted and trademarked).
Re: Video: Early Gameplay Of Sega Revival Projects Leak Online
@DanijoEX-the-Pierrot Technically Phantasy Star Online New Genesis 2 is a thing. But yeah, a real return to the franchise would be amazing!
Re: UK Charts: Star Wars Outlaws Bags Number One While Emio Flounders
I played the Emio demo. Wow that was unpleasant. "Here's 5 options with several suboptions for most of them. Keep trying them all until something advances the story." No thanks.
Re: Bayonetta Star Jennifer Hale On The SAG-AFTRA Strikes: "AI Is Coming For Us All"
@Arehexes It's even worse than that. All the screaming about "scraping" others' content to generate AI ignores that this is exactly what humans have done forever. We all read other content and use it to inform our own writings. Composers all listened to other music and got ideas. Artists all looked at other visual works for inspiration.
It's how progress happens.
Re: Bayonetta Star Jennifer Hale On The SAG-AFTRA Strikes: "AI Is Coming For Us All"
@RupeeClock Why on earth is that alarming? It's fantastic. It allows all of us to be far more creative. It gives people tools to do more than they ever could do previously. These are great things for progress.
The whole furor is the same thing that happens with any new technology. Woe unto the buggy whip manufacturers when the auto-mobile becomes common.
On the voice issue specifically, people have been hiring sound-alikes FOREVER. It's not illegal to do an impression (it would be illegal to explicitly state that the voice is somebody it's not). Doing an impression is a talent - if you tell people they can't do that, it's harming them. Developing and using an AI to do an impression is also a talent - if you tell people they can't do that, it's harming THEM.
It's ok. Progress happens, new technologies replace old ones. New skills replace old ones. Take a deep breath and tone down the histrionics.
Re: Zelda Timeline Featuring Breath Of The Wild And Tears Of The Kingdom Spotted
@nukatha Right? That jumped out to me too. They are the most obviously one-into-the-next games in the series.