Following up on Metroid Prime was never going to be easy. Although many (this writer included) were sceptical of Retro Studios’ abilities to move Metroid into the 3D, first-person realm, the team not only managed to put its own spin on an established Nintendo franchise successfully, but it also created one of the greatest games of all time.
How the heck are you supposed to top that? Well, Metroid Prime 2: Echoes doesn’t quite reach the same heights as its predecessor, and it’s often regarded as the lesser entry in an eventual trilogy (though to be honest, even the worst Prime game is better than the majority of games out there). That said, it will always remain one of my personal favourites in the franchise thanks to its bold experimentation with parallel worlds.
Although parallel worlds were hardly a brand new concept back in 2004 (heck, Zelda: A Link to the Past managed it more than a decade prior), its implementation in Prime 2 blew away my fledgling 15-year-old mind. It fundamentally changed how you approach exploration: by introducing a deadly atmosphere within Dark Aether that slowly damages Samus if she merely touches it, you need to utilise ‘safety bubbles’ scattered throughout the environment to maintain your health.
What this means, then, is you can’t stop and hang about like you might have done in OG Metroid Prime. Unless you’re safely ensconced in a permanent bubble, you need to stay on the move. There are even bubbles that you can activate on the fly, but these won’t stick around for long; soon enough, they’ll shrink down to nothing, and you’ll either need to activate it again, or simply leg it to the nearest safe spot.
Crossing between Aether and Dark Aether really highlighted the differences in tone between each region. The former is a bit quieter and more forgiving, while the latter just constantly fills you with dread with its purple colour tones and formidable 'Warrior Ing' enemies. Even though not many folks were keen on this, it really helps to mix up the exploration aspect, since Prime 2 doesn’t benefit from spectacular biomes like Phendrana Drifts from the first game.
More than anything, it’s perhaps the most unique, experimental feature from the entire Metroid franchise. Sure, Metroid Dread introduced the E.M.M.I sections, Fusion added in the SA-X enemy, and Prime 3: Corruption included a number of neat motion-controlled mechanics to take advantage of the Wii. But Metroid, as awesome as it is, has always played it quite safe with new ideas, and Prime 2’s dual-world mechanic is perhaps the boldest and most interesting of the bunch.
It’s a shame that the game isn’t held in such high regard outside of hardcore Metroid fans. Retro Studios made some notable improvements to the original, including condensing the need to backtrack a lot, along with incredible additions to Samus’ armour and weapon loadouts.
Its reputation has taken a few hits over the years thanks to the aforementioned ‘safety bubble’ mechanic and the horrendous Spider Guardian boss, but it’s a bloomin’ great game otherwise and deserves to stand alongside Metroid Prime Remastered on the Switch.
How about it, Nintendo?
Should Metroid Prime 2: Echoes be remastered for Switch? (2,048 votes)
- Yes, ASAP!
- I hope so, but no rush
- Just wait for 'Switch 2' at this point
- I could live without it
- Nah, it's not for me
Did you play Metroid Prime 2: Echoes back in the day? What did you make of the whole dual-world mechanic? Let us know your thoughts, and whether it should come to Switch, with a comment down below.
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best one of the trilogy, in my opinion
I’ve only played a couple hours of the game before dropping it years ago and I honest to god don’t know why. I think I remember really enjoying my time with it, but apparently not? I’d love to give it another shot.
I’d be genuinely surprised if Nintendo doesn’t release Prime 2 and 3 on the Switch before Prime 4 is released. I’d be content if they just simply bumped up the resolution of those games to 1080p and called it a day, though I genuinely understand why people consider those kinds of HD ports to be lazy cash grabs.
Fingers crossed Prime 2 and also 3 will be remastered (or even just upscaled honestly, them being rereleased is what matters the most) for Switch and/or its successor sooner rather than later!
While it's clearly not a shadow drop for the anniversary at this point, I still have high hopes that Prime 2 and 3 will come to Switch prior to Prime 4's release.
Hopefully this (and Prime 3) gets remastered before MP4 releases. Wishful thinking but a shadow drop before Christmas would be amazing.
Played Prime 2 for the first time this year myself via the Wii Trilogy release and was genuinely amazed by how different it was compared to the first game. While I ultimately still do prefer MP1 as an overall experience, MP2's more Zelda-like structure and grittier world/tone have stuck with me from the moment I first played it and I highly respect how willing it was to break away from the formula established in the first game. Hopefully it and MP3 will get modern ports in the near future so that more people can play these fantastic games on current hardware!
also Dark Samus is way cooler in their home series than Smash Bros would have you believe like good LORD XD
I loved the heck out of MP2. We actually got it before MP1 growing up, since it had multiplayer. Loved blasting around Sidehopper Station and tumbling around Spider Complex.
I hope that the game both gets the MP1 treatment when/if it comes over to the Switch, and that its multiplayer is entirely in-tact. I'd love to revisit both.
Wished it got the remastered treatment.
Echoes is defo my fav out of the 3 Prime games. It has the coolest suit upgrades and environments imo. There's just something spooky about the atmosphere in this game, finding all the dead space marines when you first land on the planet really reminds me of Aliens.
Were there other 3d metroidvanias ever created? I mean real metroidvanias, not 3d games with vaguely samey mechanics or level design.
My first one and one of the highlights of the GameCube for me growing up. One hell of a game.
Prime 2 is my favorite Prime game. That and Super Metroid are tied for my favorite in the series. Would love a remaster.
My favorite Metroid game of all time and my favorite game with the light/dark world mechanic.
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes of Wisdom
Though I love the setting and atmosphere of the areas in the first Metroid prime, the second one i believe has the superiors= gameplay and exploration, with making the new suits feel really different and their own (the light suit is probably my favorite suit in Metroid history along with with the original fusion suit).
Whoever designed the Echo Visor and the Game Over Screen, let me tell you...
Congratulations.
You managed to make me creep the most out of any videogame I ever played with those two alone.
In my opinion Prime 2 is the better game but we're talking about two 10/10 games. Ultimately I just prefer the more unique atmosphere, lore, and gameplay loop.
Prime 2 Echoes is my all time fav Metroid game. I have very fond memories associated with it.
Experimental...?? It was basically Metroid Prime but with two dimensions, like Zelda AlttP and Oot already did... Nothing different and original here.
Echoes isn't a bad game, mind you, but it's by far the worst of the trilogy (imo). I'd rather have Corruption remastered, that was a better game, and more experimental too.
They definitely should do what they did with Pikmin before 4 came out and give us the last 2 games before Beyond
@GreenFlash Certainly in the top 3!
@Dadou Banjo-Tooie (and perhaps Mirror's Edge Catalyst, but I didn't play this game yet).
By the way, Metroid Prime are not "Metroidvania" in my opinion, because there is no RPG element.
There is, in my opinion, a less than 10% chance that Nintendo will not remaster these games at some point given how the first one was received. Whether that will be before or after Switch 2 arrives is another question.
I'm actually playing this on the Wii Metroid Prime Trilogy right now. I found it really confusing when I played it for the first time especially when you keep alternating between light and dark Aether. The last boss, the Ing Emperor was bloody fantastic though. God I got such satisfaction killing it with Samus's Sonic Boom weapon.
@Rudolf how is one of the genre namesakes not in that genre?
I remember playing 2 then going back to 1 and finding it boring, so perhaps 2 does do a bit in the innovation department
My favorite of the trilogy, although Prime 1's just a hair behind it. Just replayed 3 a couple of months ago after the 4 trailer came out, and yeah, there's a reason I've only played that one twice. It's just not much fun, not like 1 or 2.
I get why people dislike the "corrosive atmosphere" mechanic in 2, but I think that's on player for not approaching the game in the right headspace. Like, I have friends who just refuse to give Majora's Mask a fair shot because they don't like the three day timer, but it's not there to be a limitation, it's there to contribute to the atmosphere and mood of the game. If you're averagely-skilled, the corrosion will hardly ever be a factor.
Probably my least favourite of the trilogy. That isn’t to say I don’t like it though- I love it. I just feel like I really need to be in the mood if I’m going to go back to it because the atmosphere of the whole thing is just so oppressive. Prime and Corruption can be oppressive themselves but have plenty of moments of levity…Echoes just doesn’t let you breathe.
Most impressive thing about it is how fast they managed to make it. Such a great game only 2 years after the first one is just insane.
@StarPoint I really.hope they do that. I need the whole Series on one console and while we're at it, add twilight princiess and wind waker too.
More than likely we'll get Prime 2 & 3 in 2025 before 4 comes out.
I think I just don't like FPS games now. I feel claustrophobic and lost. I used to like Halo and the like but I guess I outgrew it. I got Prime remaster and probably put 2 hours into it before just dropping it, it's beautiful, I love the atmosphere but I felt bored, and not able to really enjoy myself.
@Dadou While I am very biased I absolutely loved the 3D Castlevanias on PS2. Unfortunately I agree that the level design, especially in Curse of Darkness left much to be desired, those otherwise could have been all time greats. But to answer your question I would consider those 3D metroidvania proper.
For me it is also the best Prime game. Best level design, the difficulty is very well balanced, definitely my favorite game in the Prime serie (MP1 is also definitely awesome). I'm not so fan of MP3 though.
Echoes is my favorite entry in the Prime series. Also, the Spider Guardian is fine! Great even. It’s a cool way to do a boss fight.
@rosemo I don’t think Prime Remastered sold very well though?
I dreaded playing through this game.
This was my first gamecube game. It gave 11 year old me the spooks, but I still enjoyed it.
Anyone who rates Echoes as the weakest entry in the trilogy is drinking crazy juice. It's the Majora's Mask to Prime's Ocarina.
It was a day 1 buy for me, but the EU release was 2 weeks later.
I only played it once back then, so it's been a long time. While I do think they took the lessons learned and changed the gameplay to make it distinct, I feel MP1 is still the better game, because of the more interesting locales, as this article also points out. Dark Aether does get a bit oppressive after a while. But it's like arguing whether The Godfather 2 is better than 1.
Sadly, I had to sell my copy afterwards, because money was tight back then. A remaster would be welcome, it would go straight to the top of the backlog.
Great game but those RezBit enemies that shut down your suit can GTFO 🤣
Easily my favorite Metroid game. Metroid is one of my all time favorite series, but this game is by far the pinnacle for my taste.
It makes me sad how many people rate Prime more highly than Echoes. I feel Prime is really good but so vanilla compared to Echoes. It's like how Ocarina was brilliant but completely outclassed by Majora's Mask.
I do not like games w two worlds at once. I love every Metroid game EXCEPT this one. I have been stuck towards the end of this game for a solid 10 or 15 years....
I love the Metroid series, I wish it sold better than it did but I am glad that Nintendo has continued to support it. There was an era where things were a bit iffy for a bit there.
@Rooty Perhaps it has to do with that, actually haha. I didn't like much Echoes, same as I didn't like much Majora´s Mask. And I LOVE Zelda and Metroid, both are my favorite franchises ever, since I was a kid.
I loved the spider boss. The real issue with this game was the ammo system. I can't think of an actually compelling reason to incorporate it aside from adding more upgrades in the form of capacity increases. It just felt limiting.
Never understood why its considered the worst? I played it a bit back in the day and it seemed fantastic... tho a bit similar to twilight princess with the dark world or whatever but i thought that game wasn't as good as Ocarina or Wind Waker.. especially with the trashy throw away controls of the wiimote
Prime 2 is one of those games where the first playthrough is the worst playthrough. You don't know how best to deal with/can tolerate its most annoying moments, which it has quite a few of for a first timer. While it still has annoying parts on future playthroughs, its much easier to deal with once you actually know what you're doing.
It is also really good example of why people who obsess over innovation (sometimes including Nintendo) miss the forest for the trees. Yeah, I much prefer the first game and it doesn't remotely match what a wild, innovative re-invention it was for Metroid and arguably all first person games, but there are people who dismiss games like this or every 2000s era Zelda game as being samey, and every fan will tell you how stupid that is and how X or Y changes makes them wildly different experiences in enough ways, even with their many similarities. I say this because I know some people who would laugh at this game being called experimental, because it IS very similar to the first game in a lot of ways, and I would disagree with them, as would most people who actually played these games. You do not get the same experience with this as you do Prime 1, the same way I don't play ALBW just so I can play LTTP again.
Also yes please remaster the other two Prime games, it'd be weird to just do Prime 1.
All Metroids, especially the Prime series are amazing. This is my least favorite one, but would buy a remaster in a heartbeat
I still don’t understand how people can like Prime 3. The game starts with you in a space station chin wagging with random peeps going about their mundane warehouse jobs, and then ending up in a meeting room with a bunch of weirdos who are wearing the worst fancy dress costumes this side of the Milky Way. How is that a Metroid game?
I love the game, but I curse those blasted Ing to no end. I'll never forget when a Warrior Ing got a hold of me, and I was trying to get them off, but he bashed at me a couple of times until he took my body over and instant game over'd me. I don't think I had been that mad at losing ever in the Metroid Prime series. Terrible memory.
Can't bring myself to be excited for anything "Prime" after playing Metroid Prime Remastered. I'm still willing to give "Beyond" a shot, but it'll be the last shot I give the Prime games.
The main reasons people hated on this were all the purple and the boost ball boss spider thing. This is certainly better than prime 3
@Lightsiyd did you grow up with these games or was prime remastered your first one? Just curious
Close to Prime 1, but doesn't supplant it and Spider Guardian is a great boss, you can't convince me, otherwise.
So, did MP2 walk so Hunters could run? I never played much of 2, but I DID play Hunters to death. This makes me think they took the multiplayer of 2 and tried to flesh it out a ton with Hunters. Maybe I'm dead wrong, though.
@GravyThief I played a lot of Prime as a kid, some Prime 2 (little in comparison) and I remember 3 being SUCH a jarring tonal whiplash from the first two that it put me off playing it. It felt way more scripted and on rails with all the dialogue and I didn't like it-- in hindsight I realize they were setting up the game, but I can agree it was a REALLY jarring change of pace from what I expected out of anything Metroid.
We’re in the last laps of the Switch’s tenure right now, which for at least some devs seems to mean remasters. Nintendo included (to a degree •cough•Zelda•cough•).
Not many games have held up 20 years like the Primes. They’d be daft not to.
While Metroid Prime 2: Echoes is my least favorite of the trilogy, it is still a very good game. The atmosphere is on point, the suits are among the franchise's best, the light/dark aesthetic is a fun (albeit unoriginal by that point) concept, and it's home to some of my favorite soundtracks in the Metroid series. The title theme, Sanctuary Fortress, The Luminoth theme, Quadraxis's theme (pain in the rear that this boss is), Emperor Ing (Crystalis phase), the staff roll....A lot of bangers IMO.
What kind of hurts this game for me is the difficulty compared to the other two games (and I played the Wii version via MPT...I know the GCN original is worse), backtracking, and the fact that - as the article mentions - you can't really explore the Dark Aether sections very well since you're constantly stressed out trying not to lose health. Plus, aesthetically and even with the dark/light theme, I personally think the other two games' areas have more variety.
One of my mysteries in gaming is never completing the Prime Trilogy. Prime 1…one of my all time favs. I remember only briefly trying 2 and not really enjoying it but I never gave it a proper go. Ironically a couple months ago a found my copy of Metroid Prime 3 still it’s plastic wrap! No idea why I never played it, was super cool looking at the instruction manual and old Nintendo club inserts 😂. Im assuming 2 and 3 get that remaster treatment before Prime 4. Might just fire up the Wii U this weekend
Played MP2 on Prime Trilogy with my Wii U last year. Really good game. Almost made number 5 on my top 5 favorite games I played that year (got beat by Gravity Circuit, the Megaman in me demanded it). It better get remastered, probably will double-dip soon-ish if/when it does.
The first 30 seconds of the title theme is one of the hardest bangers I've ever heard in gaming. https://youtu.be/s6N0A1U_ZhE?feature=shared
Edit: also, I swear whoever worked on this soundtrack worked on Smash Brawl. https://youtu.be/tP9kmLq8Y80?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/EvlmD-qCGTw?feature=shared
@Tyranexx Thanks for summing up exactly why Prime 2 is my least favorite of the trilogy. I don't hate it, but it's the one I remember forcing myself to play and finish instead of excitedly looking forward to it every day.
In addition to the inability to properly explore the dark world until later in the game, my least favorite thing was how it felt like the Russian nesting doll of fetch quests was too layered to remember the objectives - to get past this gate, you need these keys, to get these keys you need these macguffins, to get these macguffins, you need these... and so on. I am well aware that is the basis of every Metroid, but P2 took it to the logical extreme.
I always preferred the first one. The second has some improvements, but some elements that felt like a step backward. I didn't find the light and dark worlds all that interesting. I thought the first game had the better difficulty balance. Part two had some tougher regular enemies which made things tedious in spots.
One thing I really liked in part one was that there were no pits anywhere. It made the world seem a bit more believable. The second game had pits. If you fell in, the game put you back on the ground but you took damage. That's not a bad way to do it, but it did lower the immersion for me compared to the first. With that said, I would like to replay the second game at some point hopefully soon.
@the_beaver Maybe it's because both sequels feel 'smaller' in a sense compared to the originals? Echoes and Majora's Mask both display their creativity through expanding the game mechanics rather than the game worlds and that's going to hit differently for different people.
That or maybe you're just super, super cheerful as a human being xD
would definitely get it
@rvcolem1 I never played the Prime games growing up. My first time playing a Prime game was Metroid Prime Remastered a few months ago. I've been planning to give it another try but motivating myself to play a low 8/10 (or high 7/10) when I've been getting myself 9/10 games lately is hard (because I strongly believe a good game makes you want to play it, you don't have to motivate yourself to want to play).
I believe my biggest issue with the game is the tedium brought on by the checkpoint/save point system of older games (which is why I'm willing to give beyond a shot). But along with not really being fun, the lack of a feeling of empowerment is also a huge deal personally and the biggest reason it doesn't feel like a Metroid game to me. I really really want to enjoy the game because it's Metroid, but it is what it is.
I loved Echoes. Gun to my head I’d rank the first Prime higher as it’s a more well-rounded game; but Echoes was everything I wanted from a sequel. Deeper story, harder challenge, a real tonal change, improved mechanics (the scan visor is lovely, very obvious what you can scan and you get great 3D models in the log book!).
I was engrossed from the word go. Would love, love, love a remaster! (I don’t think they are doing it, sadly!)
@Lightsiyd I understand the checkpoint/fast travel thing. I just played jedi fallen order and was really complaining about walking back to my stupid ship on every single planet. Maybe prime 1 came out when I was in college so it doesn't bother me, playing through it again I still hate the ghost like enemies.
@Dadou The first Soul Reaver is one of my favorite 3D Metroidvanias. The world is truly interconnected with no loading screens (even the Prime games cheat a little with elevators), and each new ability expands were you can go. Gets compared to Zelda a lot, but it's structured more like Metriod.
@rvcolem1 Interesting. What device did you play Fallen Order on? Also, have you played Jedi: Survivor and if you have, which did you enjoy more and why?
If I remember correctly, you finished Metroid Dread on Dread mode, correct? In any case, I'll do my best to give MPR another shot. It's still a very engaging game in the end and I hope my initial dislike is my aversion to FPS hindering me, and not an inability to enjoy the game. I don't recall the ghost-like enemies, but I do hate the ones that can only be killed with missiles in the first icy region.
I didn't like it nearly as much as #1. I liked the more relaxed approach of the first one, I found the dark areas stressful and unfun.
Loved original back in the day. Loved the Wii trilogy version with WiiMote controls. It comes a very close second to its predecessor, one of the very best games of all time. Please remaster it prompto.
@Lightsiyd I played it on ps5, I literally finished it this week. I also played it on the 2nd lowest difficulty as I'm not good at souls games and generally dislike them. I haven't played jedi survivor but have heard they fix a few things that annoyed me. Fallen order was my first ps5 gamr as i got my ps5 this month because a coworker got a ps5 pro and sold me his for a few hundred.
Yeah beating raven beak on dread mode sucks, because of that elevator every dang time you die...I had to get the early bomb in able to beat kraid as the second part with the bouncing "ball" things was too hard for me not to get hit. OK time for some college football
I'm quite (nicely) surprised at the number of commenters here who liked it, like myself. I can see it's still quite polarising today, but I thought more people would throw it under the bus. It's my favourite game from the trilogy.
I’m curious about the MP2&3 remasters. A few ‘insiders’ were claiming the remasters have been ready for ages. I quite enjoyed the MP1 remaster and really want to play through them all.
@burninmylight I fully agree on the obtuse quests. I am not against using guides in some games but generally prefer to try to find everything on my own in Metroid games and similar (Metroidvanias). I definitely had to cave and use a guide for Echoes so I could actually finish the game.
I'm so happy to see I'm not the only one who considers this the best game in the series. I love the first Prime to bits, but no part of it knocked my socks off like Dark Aether, the underwater part of Torvus Bog and Sanctuary Fortress. All three are utterly iconic and to me exemplify exactly what I want from the series: incredible new places to explore. I like a good fire, snow or forest level as much as the next guy, but Echoes is operating on the next level.
Special shoutout to the very beginning of Torvus Bog. After a few hours of expansive but life-drained environments, suddenly it's a little swamp with water everywhere and beautiful greenery. The small spaces give it a sense of intimacy, and on more than one occasion I've felt that I want to just sit in that little area outside the first save room and dangle my legs in the water for hours.
It was and will always be my favorite of the trilogy. I love everything about this game…well except maybe for the boost ball boss he can go …
Probably my favourite Metroid. The sense of horror and panic in the dark world is palpable for most of the game and the limited ammo types mean you tend to rely on the base blaster rather than dumping it straight away as in MP1.
The boss fights are impressive (Quadraxis!) and the horror that pervades it for much of the game is unsettling from the start. The only real complaint is the difficulty spike during that bloody boost guardian fight.
The absolute best thing about the game though is the Light Suit. Not only does it look unbelievably cool but finally being able to break free from the horror and take the fight to the Ing makes you feel like a complete badass. Mix this with the screw attack and Samus has never been so OP.
I love this game, we need it along with 3 before Prime 4. I have the demo disc to MP2. But the final boss I couldn't beat, it was so tough.
@the_beaver
“but it's by far the worst of the trilogy” that hurts my heart. Prime 2 is my favorite, followed VERY closely by Prime 1, and then somewhere near the bottom of all Metroids is Prime 3.
Would love the remaster to include online matchmaking with the multiplayer! Still miss MPHunters' addictive online.
A Link to the Past is a masterpiece, and A Link Between Worlds is IMO just as incredible. Echoes tries the same thing but it's just super tedious here: accessing each and every one of Dark Aether's cut off areas is an exercise in frustration and the Ing are nowhere near as fun to fight as the Space Pirates.
Metroid Prime 3 is arguably worse since you can't play that game without garbage-ass motion controls, though I'm hoping the remasters continue so that this series can finally get the control scheme it should have always had, like Prime 1 finally got.
Still looking forward to Prime 4 though. Prime 1 is a gem and 4 will hopefully be more like it than like 2.
@buxner I thought I was the only person who felt that way about Torvus Bog. One of the most quietly beautiful video game locations ever IMO
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