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DICE Tested Its Frostbite Engine On Wii U, Wasn't Enamoured With The Results

Posted by Damien McFerran

Dat "unprecedented relationship"

DICE's Johan Andersson has hinted that the company's future Star Wars titles won't be making their way to the Wii U.

Speaking about the new publishing agreement between Disney and EA on Twitter, Andersson stated that the company's titles will be built using its Frostbite 3 game engine — which means that there's little chance of seeing them on Nintendo's new console.

Andersson confirmed that the company had tested Frostbite 2 on the system, and wasn't impressed with the results — which means that Frostbite 3 hasn't even been ported to Wii U.

The fact that future Star Wars games are being published by EA means there's a good chance any new titles will skip the Wii U entirely, but this technical limitation only makes that more certain. DICE is responsible for the excellent Battlefield series, and it's a real shame that Nintendo fans are going to miss out on the studio's efforts within the Star Wars universe.

[via twitter.com]

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Peach64

#1

Peach64 said:

I thought they'd already said FB3 won't run on Wii U when they revealed Battlefield 4. About the same time EA said they'd be using it to make most of their games going forward. It's a shame, but most of us knew once the PS4 and NextBox became the lead development platform for game that the Wii U specs would make ports unlikely. Admittedly, in surprised it's missing out on so many PS3/360 ports, but it was always on the cards that it would miss out going forward.

Palom

#3

Palom said:

I knew this would be the case when I saw the news of EA publishing the Star Wars games.

Folks, if you're on the fence on getting those SNES Star Wars games on the Wii VC, get them now, they're not going to be up for long.

Kirk

#4

Kirk said:

And here's another example of the problem with your approach, Nintendo...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ig7A-eaZA8

You think overall power isn't important, and maybe it isn't essential in making great games with brilliant gameplay, but it is clearly very important to many developers and publishers and as a result of not having that power the Wii U is quite simply not getting the third party support is soooo desperately needs.

It was a bad decision to make this thing under powered and lacking in a few critical ways and you really should have learnt that from the Wii.

tinman

#8

tinman said:

If it doesn't work right away, make it work. Don't just whine about it. Making it work is your job.

And: Since Frostbite 3 will be hitting PS3 and X360, hardware can't be the limiting factor on Wii U. The real problems here are ideological stubbornness, bigotry and ugly malevolence. EA has come pretty low when most of use sure believed they couldn't sink any lower.

Harrison_Peter

#9

Harrison_Peter said:

More games not getting to the Wii U :/ I actually chose Battlefield 3 as my main image when I posted about the 2011 E3 conferences on Nintendo Scene: http://nintendoscene.com/2011/06/09/sony-and-microsoft-at-e3-what-it-means-for-nintendo/

Back then, I was happy that the Wii U could be a success by not only having exclusive Nintendo titles, but all the world-class multiplatform titles appearing on the Xbox 360 and PS3... At the time it looked possibly that Battlefield 3 would be there, especially when John Riccitiello was talking about it during Nintendo's E3 conference!

taffy

#12

taffy said:

They could make games from the Cryengine 3. That Shadow of the Eternals demo was running of the Wii U and looked pretty sweet. I'll take a wait and see approach cause I doubt EA would skip the Wii U for Star Wars, where as NFL is predominantly a North American sport Star Wars has a far greater global appeal.

PokeTune

#13

PokeTune said:

"Don`t worry guys. Wii U will get all the 3rd party love soon!" - Said no one anywhere.

FullbringIchigo

#14

FullbringIchigo said:

you notice how they said Frostbite 2 so they didn't even try Frostbite 3

i'm starting to think getting a WiiU was a mistake i don't think Zelda is going to be enough to keep me using the console

Beta

#15

Beta said:

Meh, I won't lose faith in Nintendo just yet, I know they can pull it through, I just know.

heathenmagic

#17

heathenmagic said:

So much bad press at the minute. Losing all these big 3rd party games is not good. I haven't got Wii U, but TVii in Europe and Tiger Woods Wii U would have swung it for me. No pun intended :-/

darkgamer001

#21

darkgamer001 said:

You should really update that image with the reply he tweeted afterwards, especially if you're using that subtitle

Midnight3DS

#23

Midnight3DS said:

Well, I see blame on both sides. EA are jerks in the video game world, and Nintendo is constantly behind the tech 8-ball. I guess it's a matter of how much farther Mario, Zelda, and the moldy oldies can carry them.

Again, a better thought out Nintendo archive in the VC could be killer, but as it stands, it's just limping along, not making a great case for WiiU.

FullbringIchigo

#24

FullbringIchigo said:

@demonta4 i get what you are saying but it is a different engine so it may have acted different to FB2 on the WiiU so they still should have tested it

bizcuthammer

#25

bizcuthammer said:

EA is still pissed about nintendo not using origin as its main network infrastructure, huh? Who cares? EA's approach to gamers has always been heavy on the hugglebunnery. I havent bought an EA game for ANY system in years, and probably will continue not to. I love star wars, so i'm pretty pissed that disney chose to give exclusive rights to EA, but i've learned over the last 15 years how to deal with being disappointed in star wars.

I bought my wii u for the same reasons i bought my N64, GCN and Wii:
Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros, etc. Third party support is only welcome for me if its something that takes unique advantage of the hardware, which is rarely the case. I owned zero third party games on Wii and still enjoyed it because Mario Galaxy, Skyward Sword, DKCR, Metroid Prime 3, Smash Bros Brawl and Xenoblade were better than any third party game i own on PC and 360. Nintendo hasnt had good third party support since the SNES. They've been doing ok without it for almost 2 decades now. Wii U will be fine once mario, zelda and smash bros hit. Especially once PS4 and 720's ridiculous pricetags are revealed later this year.

SanderEvers

#27

SanderEvers said:

@PokeTune It's not just because the way EA is treating Nintendo (Origin debacle) bur it's also because of how they destroyed Bioware, SimCity 5, PopCap, etc.

If they would've supported the Wii U then I might have considered changing my opinion about them.

Painmaster212

#28

Painmaster212 said:

@bizcuthammer Not to degrade your post or anything but as the rumors are flying it seems as though both the PS4 and 720 will be in the 400 range which isn't far enough from the 300 to 350 for the Wii U to discourage ppl from buying it over the other 2. Nintendo needs to step up and quit letting their console die! Make peace with a few big name developers and get some 3rd party support.

Pod

#29

Pod said:

So... Frostbite 3 is LESS flexible than Frostbite 2? Seems unlikely.

Particularly with Cryengine 3 apparently running beautifully on Wii U.

I think part of the real deal here is that EA doesn't want anything on Wii U, but don't want to talk about it. As you've already hinted at.

Beta

#30

Beta said:

@Pod I heard people on other forums saying that Frostbite 3 can be ported to PS3/360 with no problem, which is why I think they're just trying to belittle Nintendo or something...

MAB

#31

MAB said:

When Metroid is released dancing with the Star Wars will be long forgotten ;)

Damagemanual

#33

Damagemanual said:

Just another example of 3rd devs going to the quick cheap buck rather than trying to make their game available to all their fans. If they wanted to invest the time and money into it, I'm sure they could make it work.

Jaz007

#34

Jaz007 said:

Wow, the EA hate here is astounding and just plain fanboyish. EA doesn't have some sort of grudge against Nintendo. EA is a business and money is their goal, not acting on petty grudges If they think the money is there they do it, if they don't think it's there they don't.

Wolfgabe

#35

Wolfgabe said:

I call BS on this one if Frostbite 3 can be run on PS3/360 then there is no way that Wii U could have problems with the engine. I smell a grudge

Nintenjoe64

#36

Nintenjoe64 said:

EA are the 3rd party with enough talent and devs to make FB3 work well on Wii U.Their anti competitive behaviour is ridiculous and they're probably being sued by Nintendo on the quiet every time they cancel these games. It would be funny if Nintendo now teamed up with Steam and EA had to abandon Origin when it failed.

8thGenConsoles

#38

8thGenConsoles said:

@Peach64 Everyone thinks Wii U is weak. I don't believe it for one second for obvious reasons. Any PS4 or next-Xbox game can be ported to Wii U. If Wii U doesn't get a game is because publishers don't want to. EA doesnt want their games on Wii U.

Zyph

#40

Zyph said:

I laugh so hard every time I watch Nintendo's E3 2011 presentation and EA mentions the "unprecedented partnership". LOL!

WesGrogan

#43

WesGrogan said:

Do not forget the early EA/Xbox wars as well. Especially the fight over Xbox Live versus EA servers.

Peach64

#44

Peach64 said:

@Nintenjoe64 Nintendo suing EA?? For what? A lot of people on here have no grasp of business basics. EA made a big lowdown Most Wanted U, so nobody can blame them for not wanting to throw more money at trying to refit their game engine to work on a console who's users don't buy their games.

@WiiURockz What are the obvious reasons? The specs for all 3 consoles are out there and there's a big gap. I'd like to think most Nintendo fans are aware the Wii U won't match up in power but don't mind as Nintendo will make the most of what they have and produce great games. I feel genuinely sorry for people that bought a Wii U under the assumption it would match the PS4 and NextBox though.

SethNintendo

#45

SethNintendo said:

I tested EA games in the 90s and I wasn't impressed with the results to purchase any future EA title. RIP C&C, Magic Carpet, Road Rash, Desert Strike, Sim City, General Chaos, etc...

Peach64

#46

Peach64 said:

@DeathGaze You do know its widely accepted EA won that because anti-gay campaigners targeted them? You think it's good a company got voted the worst in America because it's not homophobic?

SkywardLink98

#47

SkywardLink98 said:

The goal of EA is to make money, not make fans happy. If they don't make you happy, blame how a business works, not EA themselves.

SethNintendo

#48

SethNintendo said:

@Peach64 I'm sure any 2K sport fan would vote EA the worst every year. Also, they are just as bad Capcom when it comes to nickel-and-diming their customers. Not to mention the many IPs they have ruined through purchasing developers throughout their existence.

DarkNinja9

#50

DarkNinja9 said:

yet more games that arent coming to wii u :( sigh but why not still try or find away? way to give up that easy

DualWielding

#51

DualWielding said:

Wii U is in a catch 22 situation gamers don't want to buy the console because they think it will get no third party support and third parties do not want to support it because they don't think gamers are gonna buy it....

SethNintendo

#52

SethNintendo said:

NintendoLife should stop publishing any article relating to EA... We get it... EA games aren't coming. This isn't news.

SethNintendo

#53

SethNintendo said:

@Peach64 specs are out there for all three systems? lol... So you have the final specs for Sony and Microsoft's next system? Try not to say such obviously fake statements. People still don't even know what most of the Wii U GPU does.

LDXD

#54

LDXD said:

@SkywardLink98 lol wtf EA is in the gaming business therefore it would be in their best interest to make gamers happy because that's who they are selling their product to, piss of your customers to much and they wont buy your ****

MrWalkieTalkie

#56

MrWalkieTalkie said:

EA is lying to us. How can FB3 run on PS360 just fine but not Wii U? And how come they made the most graphically enhanced version of Need For Speed on Wii U, only NOW to say that Wii U can't support stuff like FB3?

Ernest_The_Crab

#57

Ernest_The_Crab said:

Okay so they got their so-called "next-generation" engine to run on PS3 and Xbox360 which has weaker tech than the Wii U (albeit slightly)? They managed to get it running on a console with one of the least traditional architectures in the last couple of generations (PS3) and somehow failed to get it running on the Wii U?

I'm sorry but from a programmer's perspective I'd have to say, "I love the smell of BS in the morning."

banacheck

#58

banacheck said:

SethNintendo.
So you have the final specs for Sony and Microsoft's next system.

The PS4 final specs are out from Sony themselves, the Nextbox specs are rumours but seeing as the PS4 rumoured specs where pretty bang-on the same can be said for the Nextbox specs as they both come from one source.

MadAdam81

#59

MadAdam81 said:

@demonta4 Because Frostbite 3 is not Frostbite 2, and maybe the various kinks that affected the Wii U are no longer present? Or maybe not, I don't know, it's possible that those things weren't things that got changed.

Deathgaze

#61

Deathgaze said:

@Peach64 Irrelevant. That was speculation on behalf of a spoke person from EA. Also, they haven't had a single good game since PS1 days. They're poopiedoodledingdongs, get over them.

Peach64

#62

Peach64 said:

@SethNintendo What do you want, retail units? Dev kits are out there and have been for ages. Devs are sharing the specs and speaking of how large the gap is, but most people on here either want to put their fingers in their ears and pretend not to hear it, or bizarrely accuse the devs of being fanboys or having a vendetta against Nintendo.

SethNintendo

#63

SethNintendo said:

@Peach64 I'll wait for Nintendo to push the system near its limit. I don't expect third party developers to do this on a Nintendo system.

Also, it is pretty obvious EA does have a vendetta against Nintendo.

MadAdam81

#64

MadAdam81 said:

@SethNintendo Wii U will still be closer to PS3 & 360 than their successors in graphical power, but to me the Wii U looks great (Most Wanted U is so pretty!!), and the Wii U has a true next generation controller.
Of course, any issues with the Frostbite engine on Wii U is obviously due to issues with the engine more so than the Wii U and the fact that they mass market their stuff and don't put the effort in that Criterion do to make sure that they get each port as good as they can.

Midnight3DS

#65

Midnight3DS said:

An unprecedented partnership witholding two major licences, and you can't develop a work around in the PS3/360 ballpark? Something funny there. Columbo is not required for this case.

LDXD

#66

LDXD said:

@Peach64 theirs been developers praising the wii u for its power and then developers saying its underpowered so I guess its who you choose to believe, personally I'll wait for Nintendo themselves to push its hardware like sethnintendo said because seems like I can't trust 3rd parties to do so and to me that's sad
Also EA hating gay people is just another reason not to like them thanks for sharing

HeatBombastic

#68

HeatBombastic said:

Wii U isn't underpowered, it's not as big of a difference in power than with the Wii and PS360. Or so I've heard. Ports will consider the Wii U, as long as it sells. Than we'll see if it'll be like the Wii.

LDXD

#69

LDXD said:

@banacheck vigil games just ported over darksiders 2 haven't even come close to using the full power of the wii u

citizenerased

#70

citizenerased said:

Don't care about Battlefield. Worth mentioning? These guys are working on Mirror's Edge 2 :(

I'll take indie games and unique exclusive 3rd party games (Madworld, No More Heroes) over multiplatform games... but we'll have to see whether we get those. For now, happy I haven't picked up a Wii U yet. You can get one for almost half the original price soon.

meppi

#71

meppi said:

Well I'm not enamoured with the result of FB2 on PS3 or 360 either.
But that has more to do with DICE's incompetence than anything else.

Midnight3DS

#72

Midnight3DS said:

I'm curious... does anyone know if Wii U will be getting Mass Effect 1+2 ports, or are are those games too awesome for Wii U?

LDXD

#73

LDXD said:

@Midnight3DS good question it should've gotten 1-3 instead of just 3 with a few additional features, I guess because the wii u is so under powered it can't handle mass effect 1 or 2 just not enough ram :/

rmeyer

#74

rmeyer said:

The wii u didn't sell out not because it wasn't powerful enough, people don't want to spend 300-350 for a console yet because of the horrible economy. That's why ps3s are selling finally. I don't think the nextbox and ps4 will sell at all. Nobody's going to pay 500 bucks for a home console.

Nintenjoe64

#76

Nintenjoe64 said:

@Peach64
This has little to do with basic business. EA have been in games long enough to know how many sales they'll get from a Nintendo launch so they have no financial excuse, you don't announce a partnership with a company that isn't profitable for you. That is basic business. Even with Wii U sales as poor as they have been, EA have not had many consoles with bigger launch year user-bases than Wii U.

We also know that Ubisoft find it cheap to port games to Wii U and I don't believe for a second that Ubi have as much developer talent at their disposal as EA. For them to say that FB2 was so bad on Wii U they didn't bother trying with FB3 when they've got FB3 games coming out on the old consoles seems like lies or lack of trying to me.

If Nintendo and EA's "unprecedented partnership" was like any other announced partnership between two companies, there would be written agreements in place, games in development, dev kits given for free, meetings between EA and Nintendo where assurances were made etc. etc. EA have dropped Madden and Tiger and only brought one port after launch, I think it's safe to say that they are not wholeheartedly behind the partnership that they announced to the world and every promise they've made to Nintendo in writing will cost them money if they break it.

Of course there are 2 sides to this story and it's not unthinkable that Nintendo were the ones who ruined this deal.

SethNintendo

#77

SethNintendo said:

@banacheck Yea, I have a hard time believing you when you think the only advantage the Wii U has over PS3 and 360 is more RAM. I suppose you think the GPU in Wii U is weaker. Also, who is to say they won't further optimize the OS to require less RAM? You know the PS3 OS was optimized to free up more RAM for games?

Article link isn't working but I don't really care to hear from a developer that did a lazy port of a 360/PS3 game. Why not link an article about Criterion's NFS port which they actually put effort into and Wii U version is better than 360/PS3 version?

Peach64

#78

Peach64 said:

@LDXD Yeah devs have been praising it. I'm not saying its under powered or sucks, I'm saying there's a big difference between it and the Sony and MS consoles. I agree that Nintendo will make great games, but my point was that people should not expect all the PS4 and NextBox games a couple of years from now to get ported.

And you mis understand. EA does not hate gay people. A whole bunch of organisations that do hate gay people urged their members to vote EA as the worst company because Mass Effect gave players the freedom to have a relationship with other characters regardless of gender. They hate EA because EA doesn't hate gays, and in their opinion was trying to turn the youth of America gay with their game.

SethNintendo

#79

SethNintendo said:

@MadAdam81 Yea, I know the Wii U will be underpowered compared to Microsoft and Sony's next systems. I'm just stating that the full power of Wii U is still not known. When you have users on N4G stating they figured out the power of the GPU yet they don't know what a decently high percentage of the chip does then no one in the general public knows for sure the true power of the Wii U considering it is a custom GPU.

GiftedGimp

#81

GiftedGimp said:

I call BS! Frosbite 2 works on Ps3 and 360, there is no technical reason within the WiiU hardware why it wouldn't out perform the Ps3, 360 on the WiiU.. FACT.
Frostbite 3, if they have a higher revision that makes more use of the extra ram in the Ps4 and Kinectbox has then yeh, maybe there would be a bit of scaling required, but not detriment to Frosbite3 not being WiiU compatable at all.
Dice are very much in EA's pocket, and it's obvious this is simply to bolster EA's opinion on WiiU, and further drive home thier effort to help unsure the WiiU doesn't get the support it deserves.

GiftedGimp

#82

GiftedGimp said:

Can't wait till Ps4 & Kinectbox arrives... ppl will start seeing and believing that actually the extra ram in the Ps4, Kinectbox will benifit those consoles in a lot of ways, but at the end of the day, in reality, WiiU's super efficient architecture means that in terms of games, if it works on Ps4, and Kinectbox, it will work, with little meaningfull difference on WiiU.
As many non-anti WiiU devs have already indicated, though often adding, once they's figured out how to better understand the WiiU's Architecture.

LDXD

#83

LDXD said:

@Peach64 shouldn't that be the fault of bioware though?
It seems that way, I know Nintendo will make great games for it also retro and a few other studios, to me it seems like it will get better 3rd party support than the wii did well it should anyway
But I know most people buy their consoles for 1st party exclusives myself included and I know that doesn't help. Really if battlefield was to come to wii u and if I planned to get that game I would probably get it for pc just like I did for skyrim
I think what I'm trying to say is that 3rd party games don't sell well on Nintendo systems so I think it's more of that than the system itself being under powered, but when it comes to the games EA puts on the wii u it's mostly their fault that the games don't sell as good as they should example being mass effect 3

Prof_Elvin_Gadd

#84

Prof_Elvin_Gadd said:

I'll find out more about this in the coming months, but I feel like this is just a lie pushed from the top of EA. Nintendo gave EA a big "nope" to Origin being the main online store on the Wii U and EA has been taking it out on Nintendo ever since. I'm sure the Frostbite Engine ran just fine on the Wii U, and if it didn't could with some tweaks and adjustments.

If every suit at EA should just cease to exist in any manor, I wouldn't care one iota. It's like EA is that little bratty kid saying "I didn't get my way so now they don't get to play with any of my toys".

8thGenConsoles

#86

8thGenConsoles said:

@Peach64 No one is saying that Wii U matches the PS4 and next-Xbox. Everyone with a tiny bit of knowledge and common sense knows that those 2 systems are more powerful than the Wii U but I don't think the gap is as big as everyone thinks. There are still ignorant gamers who think Wii U is on par with PS3/360. Why would Nintendo waste money on a console that is not more powerful than a PS3? That doesn't make any sense to me and i know that Nintendo is not stupid like that. Wii U is obviously more powerful than current-gen systems.

The main difference between PS4 and Wii U games will be that PS4 games will have more details, making games on PS4 more realistic but that doesn't mean that Wii U games will look cartoon-ish compared to PS4 games, it also doesn't mean that Wii U games will look blurry compared to PS4 games. PS4 games will look amazing but the Wii U version can still look great if Devs aren't lazy.

There's not a huge gap between PS4 and Wii U. Both systems can run games in Full-HD (1080p). Any PS4 game can be ported to Wii U. If PC games can be ported to PS3 than Wii U can get PS4 games because the PS4 is still a lot weaker than a high-end PC

Dpullam

#87

Dpullam said:

I'm sure that with enough effort they could get the engine to run perfectly fine on the Wii U. Once the Wii U starts selling well they might change their tune.

citizenerased

#88

citizenerased said:

@WiiURockz

"There are still ignorant gamers who think Wii U is on par with PS3/360. Why would Nintendo waste money on a console that is not more powerful than a PS3?"

The Wii was barely more powerful than the Xbox and PS2...

The Wii U has more RAM, a better GPU but comparable CPU to PS3/360. Pretty sure the CPU gap with PS4/Durango will be pretty huge, thus making ports tricky.

Name 5 Wii U games that run in 1080p.

Blue-Thunder

#89

Blue-Thunder said:

Does this mean Wii U is not as powerful as PS3? I certainly hope its as least as powerful as PS3 and a lot more powerful than 360. I'm still waiting for delivery of my Wii U from amazon so I haven't even seen the machine in action yet. I didn't buy it to play 3rd party games on so whatever EA or anyone else does doesn't bother me but I would like it to have a nice bit of horse power under the hood.

banacheck

#90

banacheck said:

If you look at a PC, said Cerny, "if it had 8 gigabytes of memory on it, the CPU or GPU could only share about 1 percent of that memory on any given frame. That's simply a limit imposed by the speed of the PCIe. So, yes, there is substantial benefit to having a unified architecture on PS4, and it’s a very straightforward benefit that you get even on your first day of coding with the system. The growth in the system in later years will come more from having the enhanced PC GPU. And I guess that conversation gets into everything we did to enhance it."

if you think there not going to be a very big gap between the Wii U and the PS4, just wait for the games to come. That article is about the how much benefit unified RAM gives with enhanced APU, CPU, GPU, the CPU, GPU are on one die.

GiftedGimp

#91

GiftedGimp said:

Judging by many posts I get the impression many ppl don't actually see the fact that 95% of WiiU negativity comes from either EA or a developer usually published by EA.
From Publishers point of view, is it better to have to publish games on 3 systems, each with a relative low but a simular sized userbase, meaning more staff involved and increased costs or is it better to try to reduce the viability of ownership of at least 1 system by holding back games and spreading negative reports. Hopefully making consumers veer away from buying at least 1 of the 3 available systems thus potentially increasing sales on the system/s they havn't spent time discrediting and due to the higher userbases on the other systems and the less staff and costs involved in publishing for 2 systems rather than 3 making profit is easier to make.
If they thought they would get away with it, as much as WiiU is getting ripped by EA, they would do the same to either Kinectbox or Ps4, Lets face if 1 system had a userbase that was larger than both the other systems put together then EA could use less staff, games would have less development time and due to reduced costs would make a higher profit by concentrating on the 1 system.

8thGenConsoles

#92

8thGenConsoles said:

@citizenerased

"The Wii was barely more powerful than the Xbox and PS2"

Barely or not it's STILL more powerful than Xbox and PS2 and the PS2 was the weakest console of the 6th generation so the Wii wasn't barely more powerful than PS2.

Wii U doesn't have 5 Full-HD games yet but those games will come no doubt. Right now Monster Hunter 3 is in Full-HD and future games like Wonderful 101 will be in Full HD aka 1080p

I don't think ports will be tricky...porting a PS4 game to Wii U is possible and shouldn't be hard. That's my opinion and it won't change until i'm proven wrong

banacheck

#94

banacheck said:

WiiURockz
I don't think ports will be tricky...porting a PS4 game to Wii U is possible and shouldn't be hard. That's my opinion and it won't change until i'm proven wrong.

Porting to the Wii U is a lot easyer than to the PS3, that is not the problem it dev's that are not supporting the Wii U. And of couse the Wii U out powers the 360/PS3 but not by a massive gap, i also think the Wii U will do alright with it's first party games in the long run. But i still say Nintendo needs to up there game like getting big name games like GTA V on the Wii U, that would overshadow some of this press.

bunnyking

#95

bunnyking said:

I think it's crazy that it's bad news on a daily basis for Nintendo. We understand where Nintendo is. We get it guys.

The Wii U doesn't support the major gaming engines a lot of the big developers are using and will therefore probably not see many next generation games or games in general being ported over from big publishers like EA or Dice and probably Activision/Blizzard besides the new Skylander's games.

Dear Nintendolife editors, We got the news, we know that the Wii U isn't doing well. Please stop kicking a dead horse. We are well aware of what is going on and give us some cheery news.

SethNintendo

#96

SethNintendo said:

I say we boycott Nintendo troll articles posted on NintendoLife. This is my last post on such articles here. Keep it up and I will say goodbye to this site. Not like I'd be missed.

bunnyking

#97

bunnyking said:

@Peach64 it's missing out on a lot of PS3 and 360 ports because of choices from the publishers. They are being careful with their resources, it's been rough all over for games and they feel like they will not make enough profit to port a game over.

I think Nintendo could do something about facilitating ports like increasing the share 3rd parties get from releasing a title on the Wii U to creating dedicated offices for this with the hardware and manpower necessary but they haven't yet.

Nintendo has always done things different, and they've always come out fine.

DarkKirby

#98

DarkKirby said:

For the people here who think the Wii U not getting any games from EA has anything to actually do with specs and not EA's grudge with Nintendo, you are really naive.

Dreamcaster-X

#99

Dreamcaster-X said:

Yeah this is all about EA trying to stick it to Nintendo. I honestly could care less about their support for Wii U. They only have 1 series I'm interested in and that is Mass Effect. I'll just get it for my PS4 but the rest of their lineup is unimpressive to me.

Cheaptrick

#100

Cheaptrick said:

Of course DICE will say it's not enamoured of the result. DICE had a long partnership with EA & was the one who created the MP part of EA's MOH 2010 as will as the one in charged of creating the Battlefield franchise. DICE basically is EA's main game developer. It's common knowledge that EA hates Nintendo. The one who wrote this article need to get his head hit with a hammer. This article was written mainly to increase this site's traffic.

SCAR392

#101

SCAR392 said:

My theory is that this Frostbite 3 game engine is outdated, and that's why it won't run well on Wii U. The Wii U is not based exactly on the technological architecture(paired with components that make up that architecture) that was used in Xbox 360 and PS3. This just means EA's game engine is outdated, and Frostbite 4 or whatever is in the works.

Cheaptrick

#102

Cheaptrick said:

@SCAR392 Frostbite is the best game engine out there (except probably the Crysis game engine which I can't say for sure cuz I don't play Crysis or sci-fi FPS). The main games I played run of Frostbite. I also played Far Cry games which I think has one of the worst game engine. Frostbite is even better than Black Ops 2 game engine which I also play on PC. Frostbite used up lots of juice though. I'm using 2 EVGA GTX 680 SC on SLI & it hits up higher on MOH 2010 than when I'm playing Black Ops 2. I'm not particularly impressed with the old Unreal engine on MOH 2010 SP which I think is the worst among game engines. Not sure of the very latest Unreal game engine that Mozilla was testing on it's Firefox browser.

Link41x

#103

Link41x said:

I would be surprised if EA released any games on Nintendo platforms this year...

Discostew

#104

Discostew said:

For all we know, FB2 requires a lot of CPU-processing to handle things like physics and such, whereas FB3 may also allow the advantage of the GPU to handle those same things, relieving the CPU. The PS3 and 360 offer what FB2 needs, but Wii U doesn't, even with a much more powerful GPU than either of those systems offer. Both the PS4 and 720 are being said to have lower frequency, increased-core CPUs, but better GPUs. I wouldn't be surprised if FB2 couldn't run on the PS4 and 720 for the exact same reasons why it doesn't work on the Wii U. It doesn't meet the needs the engine requires. As it is, there are no games running FB2 being set for the PS4/720.

diavu

#105

diavu said:

Am i the only one who thought that Frostbite was created by FrozenByte? (the developers of Trine and Shadowgrounds).

anywho, the reason NO EA games are coming to Wii U is simple: Hardware sales are low, and EA is struggling financially. every big investment they've made recently has had trouble (SimCity, ME fanbase, DA2, SWTOR). so they're not going to go out and tell investors that all their games will be ported to a console that has 4 million hardware sales, or whatever the number is at now.

Kaizokuman

#106

Kaizokuman said:

@Pod That is true. People shouldn't believe that it can't run on Wii U. EA just doesn't want to work with Nintendo.

Cheaptrick

#108

Cheaptrick said:

You got to question the validity of this Frostbite 2 testing. Why would DICE test it on the Wii U when (except for Disney now) it's sole client is EA? EA ended everything with Nintendo as of the end of 2012. The Wii U still got Need for Speed: Most Wanted U made by Criterion & published by EA cuz it's part of the original line up of games published by EA for the Wii U before the situation with Nintendo went sour. EA will not be publishing games for the Wii U anymore yet it's main developer still taking shots on Nintendo. The main purpose of this is to hurt Nintendo & the Wii U.

GiftedGimp

#109

GiftedGimp said:

On this story and other places wIthin the NL website i'm glad that finally I know its not just me seeing NL resort to use WiiU negativity as a Traffic Attraction.
Even Positive or Neutral Articles are getting the negative spin in the headlines at least.
Balanced reporting is A must, Good n Bad but even some of the Negative can be countered in some way.. such as low WiiU sales.... and the fact WiiU's overall world wide figures in the first 5 months after launch were a little under the 360's and little higher than the Ps3's for the same time period after thier launches.
This fact, with actual figures, was posted along with the negative story about the WiiU sales as a on balance comparison, on a different Nintendo site, which was relevent at the time.
I Hate the sites that are biased in reporting, either way, towards the good or the bad, but a balanced site will keep my interest, there are a couple. However Nintendo Life, is going to need a re-name if it carrys on like it is, something to Nintendo's Death, probably more apt.

Best_

#110

Best_ said:

How was he not impressed with FB2, when the WiiU is more powerful than the PS3 and 360. I think they just ported the engine but didn't modify it to fit to the WiiU specs. Lazy B!****$!
I wanted BF3 and 4 on WiiU.

AVahne

#111

AVahne said:

Huh. So they can get it working well on PS360...yet they gave up completely on Wii U when it doesn't run the engine during a couple initial tests?

DarkAngel_17

#112

DarkAngel_17 said:

So Battlefield 4 is confirmed for 360/PS3 but then Wii U (which is more powerful than those) isn't capable of running the same engine. Something isn't right here.... Load of bullpoopies

Tony_342

#113

Tony_342 said:

If they truly weren't impressed with the results of trying to get FB2 running on Wii U, it's simply because they didn't take the time and put forth the effort to actually get it running well. It's not because Wii U doesn't have the power to run FB3 (it obviously does), it's just because they don't want to bother with it.

BATRA

#114

BATRA said:

disney said that star wars games are coming on all next gen consoles even the wii u so what is going on hear ? if ea doesn't make a star wars game for the wii u their will be a lawsuit from disney

GiftedGimp

#115

GiftedGimp said:

@BATRA You'd like to think so, but no doubt EA have got that covered in thier favour in the contract they agreed on with Disney.

Neram

#116

Neram said:

The only thing i'm wondering is if Disney would push for all next-gen consoles to get Star Wars games. I mean, it makes sense from a business perspective, and the Wii/DS got versions of licensed multiplatform games. It wouldn't surprise me if Disney called for all platforms to be included, and EA told DICE to go back to the drawing board and get FB3 running on Wii U.

GiftedGimp

#118

GiftedGimp said:

One thing it highlights, Is Everyone should buy every released Ubisoft game to let publishers know, If you support WiiU properly we Will support you.
Lets be honest the Rayman delay issue is nothing compared to the crap we keep getting repeatedly beaten with from EA and its developer houses.

TheXboxHero

#120

TheXboxHero said:

@SethNintendo Agreed. Really hate the trolling articles on websites. I left My Nintendo News for NL because of Flame Wars and troll articles. Now apparently the same thing is happening here...

Sir_Deadly

#121

Sir_Deadly said:

Aww another sequel to a generic shooter not coming to the Wii U, how sad am I! Somehow I don't believe this because they had already claimed BF4 was running on Wii U last year. I still say this is because of the Origin deal falling through. Anyway, i am looking for a Conduit 3 or possibly a Metroid game with a much better and strong online multiplayer. Besides, who even knows if this person really works at EA? Anyone can make a fake profile with anybody's name and say that they are that person.

DaveC

#124

DaveC said:

That is what you get when you release weak hardware two years too late. Nintendo finally bested the PS3, just in time for the PS4 to trump it! Great timing man. This made sales bad and that is why they don't want to support it.

They put out a system with a tri corePowerPC, which no one uses anymore, and it only runs at 1.2 GHz! For anyone waiting for the magic in the GPU , you will be waiting along time. They looked at it (litterally) and found nothing special. In fact they said that the memory speed etc will make it barely able to do 1080P (which is why everything to date is only 720P or less).

They released a wimpy system and tried to rely on the tablet craze to sell it. It fell flat.

Melkaticox

#126

Melkaticox said:

Lie. They said the engine ran "beautifully" on the Wii U. A year ago.
So, what happened? Suddendly they realized it doesn't?

mikeyman64

#127

mikeyman64 said:

Funny how everyone seems to be thinking that EA is the straw that will break the camel's back here. It is just one game company, albeit a large one.

Kirk

#128

Kirk said:

@HeatBombastic

It is absolutely under powered for a next-gen system when compared to the next-gen competition, which is an indisputable fact at this point (it's basically current-gen tech going up against proper next-gen tech), and in terms of what developers and publishers are looking for in order to support it with their latest games.

The simple fact is that if the Wii U were up to power with the other next-gen consoles it would be seeing a lot more third party support right now and be getting the vast majority of the games on that list, as well as the proper next-gen games coming to the two other systems, that are currently passing it by.

Nintendo has created this problem with a few important decisions they made regarding the Wii U, regardless of their reasoning behind these decisions, and although in some ways it's pretty much impossible to fix now I think they need to figure out some way to at least address it far more effectively than they are doing thus far.

Now, it not being powerful enough to run Frostbite 3 is a different argument and I'm sure that's a bit of bullcrap PR but the fact is that the machine is lacking significant third party support because it's simply not powerful enough to compete with the next-gen competition, and would struggle to run most of the proper next-gen games coming to those system in exactly the same way the Wii struggled to run most of the current-gen games that came to Xbox 360 and PS3, and additionally it simply hasn't sold enough units for developers and publishers to give a crap about putting either their current-gen or next-gen games on it regardless.

Redfield_Lynch

#129

Redfield_Lynch said:

EA is in war against nintendo, period!!! Through out the years, even in the gamecube years, EA always, and i mean ALWAYS, supported nintendo, even when they knew the games wouldn't sell...EA thought origin would have a boost at the expense of wiiU but since it wasn't the case...

Marioman64

#130

Marioman64 said:

remember when the n64 was difficult to code on but people made it work being creative with textures and technical work-arounds? people are being lazy these days

flightsaber

#131

flightsaber said:

That's too bad....I bought my N64 for Mario 64, My GCN for Rogue Squadron, my wii, ironically, for DKCR and wii sports but much later in the game (2012). Star wars was big in my N64 and GCN libraries, I would even say it was the staying power of the N64/GCN for me. If EA creates a spectacular Star Wars game with no chance of later release on PC, it could cause me to buy a different console this generation. As for now, though, The Old Republic on PC has kept the Wii plugged into my tv for those times I want to turn back to AMAZING platformers or brawl.

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