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Next Smash Bros. Development Starts with a Look Back

Posted by James Newton

Sakurai in retrospective mode

The announcement of a new Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS drew cheers at E3, even if we knew it would be a few years until we got to play it. Creator Masahiro Sakurai has just wrapped up work on Kid Icarus: Uprising, but before his thoughts turn to the new fighter he's taking a look back at development of Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

Sakurai tweeted he's been looking over Smash Bros. Dojo, the development blog for Brawl, as preparation for the next instalment. What does he make of the site several years on?

However, what's the word... it's tremendous. How did we make this?

The answer is "slowly".

[via andriasang.com]

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User Comments (67)

DestinyMan

#1

DestinyMan said:

Sakurai has to take some pointers from Brawl and remember how he developed it if he hopes to make the next one better than it. It won't be easy, that's for sure, but it can be done. The next one needs better online, a better adventure mode, and just as much or even more content than Brawl. A new Smash Bros. Dojo website would be awesome too.

buzzn

#3

buzzn said:

This game is going to be so anticipated by so many people, hopefully next year at E3 we at least see a trailer of some sort, i think its very unlikely we'll see one this year since he just finished Kid Icarus.

Shotgunryugan

#4

Shotgunryugan said:

Honestly all i want to hear from Sakurai is,"We are removing the tripping and giving the clones unique moves for once"

RebeccaGunn

#7

RebeccaGunn said:

I wonder if this is a sign that Sakurai is going to run the Dojo again in run up to the new game? I remember the days when we would wait for "Japan time" with baited breath....and then it would be something like a discussion on powerups or a teaser

SAKUUUUUUURAAIIIIIII!

Shining-Void

#8

Shining-Void said:

...not all that pumped for the next smash bros. I'll get exited when we're close to the release date.

gojiguy

#9

gojiguy said:

Sakurai, all I want is some decent balance in the game. Just actually attempt to seriously balance the characters. Keep it hectic, keep it wild, but if people want a FDNI match, let them have it with balanced characters.

And never, NEVER, nerf Captain Falcon EVER again!

Rawk_Hawk

#12

Rawk_Hawk said:

I love Brawl so much in fact I love Melee too!
There are so many characters I want to return(Sonic) and so many new characters I want to see (Simon Belmont, Mega Man)

Prof_Clayton

#13

Prof_Clayton said:

It would be cool if the 3DS version could connect and play with the wii u version, so you wouldn't have to buy both if a friend had one.

Samholy

#14

Samholy said:

Back in the gamecube days, everyone i knew bought the gamecube for smash brothers melee. and most of them didnt even care to buy other games, smash was worth its gold bar. the gamecube was known as the device that plays smash bros melee.
i really hope they recreate this with the Wii U and 3DS, by adding online. real online, that truly works. with a lobby to talk between matches. VOIP mic enabled. you know, the real thing. With work and all, i barely have time to invite friends at home, or i mostly play late in the evening. online gaming is a great deal for playing with friends scatered around the country.

TheChosen

#15

TheChosen said:

Take Smash Bros, take a giant syringe, fill the syringe with Nintendo (And mix with hints of of third party stuff from Sega to Konami to Capcom) and fill the new Smash Bros with it. Repeat 3-4 times and then Im happy.

Whopper744

#16

Whopper744 said:

Here's to hoping for another updated site like the Dojo! ...or using it again would be fine too.
I used to check that thing daily in high school! Got pretty excited the day I saw Sonic with Live and Learn playing in the background.

turtlelink

#17

turtlelink said:

Hope he does something like the Dojo again. I really liked it. This (like Brawl and the Wii) will be the reason I get a Wii U.

AbuJaffer

#18

AbuJaffer said:

@shingi_70 You do know a "new IP" could be anything from a new "casual" game (Wii Music?) to an entirely new genre (Steel Diver? How many people bought that?). It seems people throw "new IP" around with something specific in mind; a new platformer, a new FPS, etc. They don't realize it could be literally any genre... and when they don't buy it, Nintendo has less and less of an incentive to make a new IP, and instead develop that guaranteed multi-million Mario game.

Popyman

#19

Popyman said:

If they do the Dojo again they really have to manage the amount of content the release. Last time, we knew pretty much everything about the game before it was even out. I want to know the standard characters (maybe one or two unlockable ones), some new items, and then all the starting levels. That's all--he went way overboard last time.

CapedGodot

#22

CapedGodot said:

Ah, yes. Smash Bros Dojo. I remember coming home from school and checking the Dojo to see if anything new had been revealed, every single day. Ah, memories.

Dorkvader

#23

Dorkvader said:

I really hope they change the Smash Ball to a Smash Gauge. Also ad characters from The Conduit, Megaman, Street Fighter, Resident Evil, Batman and more. they can also ad Assist Trophies from those games :)

Lunapplebloom

#24

Lunapplebloom said:

I find it hard to comment on something that is nowhere near release. (in fact it probably hasn't started production). But I guess I would like to see the return of the Dojo site for this game, just with less spoilers. I would still like to know which third party characters are confirmed (if any), but for it to be more tight liped.

Rococoman

#25

Rococoman said:

@Applejacklove I agree - I would hardly refer to "thinking about the game" as starting development. Honestly, I kinda hope that Nintendo has already started development on resources - updating character models for 3DS and Wii U, getting a soundtrack, levels, etc. There's a good chance it'll be another 4-5 years otherwise.

I would really like to see Retro Studios work on Smash. Having done DKC Returns, PunchOut, and Mario Kart 7, they have a great reputation for finely-tuned, sharp gameplay. Their innovation might be a touch lacking, but Smash has enough ideas as it is, and I'm sure Sakurai is enough of an idea man anyway.

DarkKirby

#27

DarkKirby said:

Things to change.
1. Instead of Smash Balls, players have meter to use supers and EX attacks.
2. Game is patchable. Hire people that understand the competitive scene of the game, fix glitches, imbalances.
3. Good online modes are must. Look at Soul Calibur 5 as an example.
4. No tripping.
5. Seriously, no tripping, the game is casual enough without trying to make people lost by luck alone. This pissed off even casuals.

DestinyMan

#29

DestinyMan said:

@Popyman: I agree with you there. When I went to Smash Bros. Dojo years ago, I went ahead and spoiled everything from the characters and items to the stages. The only thing I didn't spoil entirely was the Subspace Emissary, and I'm glad I didn't. I now believe that I would've been much more surprised and excited playing the game if the new characters and stages were a mystery to me.

If a website like Smash Bros. Dojo is used again, I'll be more restrictive in learning new information, but it might be wishful thinking now. I wasn't active in online forums in 2008 like I am now. On the internet, everything leaks out. It's not like the good ole days when you eagerly awaited a monthly magazine to learn about upcoming games. Now you can get all the information you need right here online.

BriNCz

#30

BriNCz said:

I can't wait until the new Smash Bros. game comes out! I just hope that the WiiU has a better memory system than the Wii, so that I can play with my unlocked stages and characters anywhere I want to.

NassaDane

#31

NassaDane said:

I just hope it is better than Brawl this time. That and Galaxy were such disappointments. Seeing what they can and have done before I have faith Nintendo can pull it off.

Rapadash6

#32

Rapadash6 said:

In the interest of getting the game out sooner, I wouldn't mind if he just dropped the whole adventure mode altogether. Let's be honest, did anyone here really play it more than once anyway? Seriously, after all the characters were open, there was no point in it anymore.

Spanjard

#35

Spanjard said:

I think the tripping was awesome haha they finally showed some balls including something like that, but thats just me..

TeeJay

#36

TeeJay said:

Was there not a game that used a larger GB memory card than usual? If Super Smash Bros. wants to be better than Brawl, it will mots probably have to upgrade to the larger memory card.

Undead_terror

#38

Undead_terror said:

its all about the charaters,stages,game modes,story mode,etc we dont need stickers or a list of games,challenges(besides locked charaters and stages,items,costumes), they need to fix the lag problem mostly everyone has for online which it better have,the final smashs and stuff was good,the assist trophies and pokemon should just be in trophies,so all im saying is take the pointless things out and improve on the things people really care about

blooper_88

#39

blooper_88 said:

one thing, im heck of excited for a handheld supersmash bros. ill be owning you guys with pikachu. i just hope they can add damage details to the characters. bruises and stuff, out of breath as their hit percentage gets higher.

Noire

#40

Noire said:

I agree it needs more female characters. How else do you make money on DLC? No $5 bikini costumes if it's all guys...

Well ... horrible thoughts now.

Mariokart77

#41

Mariokart77 said:

Deffinetly more characters but also bring back slot of the old guys and stages!!!!!! I love these games and always will!

Infernapeking

#42

Infernapeking said:

@DarkKirby Sound like you trying to grad the idea of that lame rumor Sony Smash Bros Title Fight gameplay stuff.

Having meters will be a disadvantages. Say if you fall off three time you meter fills up. Everyone will do it. Say someone is using cheats to have full meters at all time. That going to cause people to stop playing. Smash Ball are the best thing for it. You fight for it.

RR529

#43

RR529 said:

Here's hoping for more villains (Girahim, Vaati, Fawful, SA-X, and Skull Kid would be great), more third party characters (keep Sonic and Snake, and add Sora, Mega Man, Ryu Hayabusa, and Travis Touchdown would be nice). Bring back Mewtwo!

As for adventure mode, I'm fine with it, but they really should find a way to actually cross the characters' respective worlds, instead of whatever they had in Subspace Emissary. I'd love an online that actually works as well.

Yosher

#44

Yosher said:

As long as they keep moves like wavedashing out I'm fine with however this game turns out. I'll enjoy duking it out against Nintendo All-Stars (and maybe some 3rd parties) with Yoshi all over again!

Also, pretty curious about which characters they'll actually include this time. Kinda hoping ROB and G&W will get the boot even if it's not very likely. Not gonna suggest characters though since that'd be the same ones already suggested over and over again anyways.

MegaAdam

#46

MegaAdam said:

Really, everyone should just not start talking about new Smash installments until 2014.

WingedSnagret

#47

WingedSnagret said:

I'm imagining that we'll see at least one more Kid Icarus character in the roster, since Uprising was the last game he worked on.

Kyloctopus

#48

Kyloctopus said:

Did anyone else visit the Smash Bros Dojo everyday in anticipation of Brawl. It was awesome, they posted something every weekday (excluding holidays)

ToastyYogurt

#50

ToastyYogurt said:

I want to see another dev blog for Smash Bros. NEXT. It was nice to see a lot of what was ahead for Brawl before it came out.

Maggots

#51

Maggots said:

Packaged Double Smash Bros game... Wii U version with a slot for the 3DS version bundled in... Both games one case ... one price $59.99

AltDotNerd

#53

AltDotNerd said:

Also, out of all the pokemon to be used as a playable character, my vote's for Dragonite!

Knuckles

#55

Knuckles said:

Might not be surprising, but i want more Sonic characters, like Knuckles, and Shadow.

komicturtle

#56

komicturtle said:

If Nintendo gives Sakurai a big team to work with, then I can see the game coming out late 2013 or early 2014.

If plans go accordingly- the 3DS version may be the first out the door if they stick with the "building your character" aspect and then releasing the WiiU version months later to allow 3DS owners to bring their characters over to the "stadium".

It would probably be like Pokemon Diamond and Pearl- Battle Revolution came out about 2-3 months later after. Just speculation, really. But it makes total sense if they are sticking with making the 3DS and WiiU Smash Bros.

Cannot wait to see what 2013 brings, since that's when I expect a heap of news to surface. Yet, my gut is telling me Sakurai is going to take his bloody time on this game and keep holding onto it for a long time. He's done it with Brawl and has done it with Kid Icarus. The man sure is picky, but I guess he's the type to be on the safe side.

I just hope it isn't as broken as Melee. Hopefully, it'll be a balance of Brawl and Melee mechanics, something a community is doing with Project Melee and Brawl+.

JimLad

#57

JimLad said:

Just give me a working online mode and I'll be over the moon.
Brawl was such a let down after 3 years of waiting for the online play they promised at E3 2005.

Oldestofschool

#61

Oldestofschool said:

Here's some suggestions to make this game tourney/fun worthy
Gameplay: NO TRIPPING! Add in a "light" combo system. Make true fighting game techniques for this game. Make smash balls viable for tournament play. Listen to the tournament crowd, too! BETTER ONLINE PLAY.
Characters: Geno (I mean, come on!), Ridley,some 3rd parties, NO CLONES. I'd personally give Luigi his thunder abilities. More Villians! More Women! Give Ganon his sword and revolve him around his own abilities! That's what I'd do.

Alienfish

#63

Alienfish said:

They only had about 1,000 people work on it during the entire development cycle. Really, though, try to think about all of the stuff in that game, it's hard, like trying to visualize a billion dollars.

Mryokokurama1

#64

Mryokokurama1 said:

No idea how he even made brawl either just as much as hes wondering himself to. but making a better one would not be easy thats for sure

DarkKirby

#65

DarkKirby said:

@Infernapeking

EX moves and supers will add variety to a series that hasn't changed much since the original. And Smash Balls sucked for some characters and were broken for others. And outside that, their appearance was luck and thus could not be used in competitive matches.

Who says you gain meter from dying? Who says you keep meter after dying? Who says it would be unfair if you did? Who says how good EX and Supers would be? Until the basic concept is developed how can you even make assumptions it would be unfair?

Plusle

#66

Plusle said:

I don't know why people choose unreasonable characters like ridley people should be more reasonable and want character like bowser jr. or kat and anna

Plusle

#67

Plusle said:

they should if they want to include 3rd parties they limit the amount of them and leave the rest for dlc

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