I was going to pick it up, but then Prime Remastered was announced so I got that instead. I like Symphonia but I’d rather try a game I haven’t played before. Doesn’t help that as a remaster, Prime blows it out of the water.
@DashKappei well I’ve played plenty of remasters and remakes and a lot of them didn’t credit the original team. There we’re a few but those were from games that were more upscaled ports.
It’s also a total non-issue. This guy is complaining he didn’t get credit for working on the game but he did. In original release back in 2002. They got credit then and it’s something to put on their resume.
@ComfyAko because when you define a genre by naming it after games within it you then create the precedent that games in the genre must conform to the games the genre is named after. And early on this is fine because when a genre is starting out you’re obviously going to copy those games the genre is named after.
But at some point the genre moves so beyond those games that it does the genre a disservice to name itself after them. It’s why genres usually have nebulous terms so that they can cover a wider variety of games within it.
@ComfyAko but see that’s part of the problem, a lot of modern Metroidvania games aren’t following the same tropes as Metroid or Castlevania. The level design might be similar but the gameplay can be very different. Guacamelee has a heavy emphasis on hand to hand combat with grappling elements, Indivisible has RPG turn based combat, Hollow Knight has Dark Souls elements.
Even the level design isn’t always consistent. Shantae is considered a Metroidvania but it sometimes uses a level to level approach. As to several other games in the genre.
The more games come out in that style the more they drift away from Metroid and Castlevania. So why do we keep defining the genre by those specific games?
Whe we stopped using Doom Clones and used FPS that genre became much more diverse. Now we have different sub genres for that sub genre like Boomer shooter, Looter Shooter, Military shooter and so on.
I agree that Search Action isn’t a perfect term but we need to find a better name to properly define the genre if we want it to grow. I know people like Metroidvania as a name, but we need a better one that better encompasses the genre.
@ComfyAko I never said Metroid wasn’t a major player, i was saying Castlevania wasn’t because the last time it was relevant to the genre was 15 years ago. And the moniker only applies to some Castlevania games anyway.
But that isn’t even getting into the real reason the name needs to change. What does it say about the genre when we’re still naming it after games in it. The reason Doom Clone fell out of style was because as more games came out in that style it became apparent it had evolved beyond merely copying Doom and had come into its own. You can’t really call Call of Duty a Doom clone can you.
But the reason Doom Clone was used was because it was a new genre that hadn’t been properly defined yet. Nobody knew what to call it because it was such a new concept. “Metroidvania” as a term started the exact same way. But now that we’ve had many more titles in the genre and properly defined what it is, why do we stick to the old name we used because we didn’t know what else to call it. I’d we want the genre to evolve maybe the name needs to evolve with it.
@tseliot How? Search Action literally defines what you do in the game. Metroidvania was the term coined because Metroid and Castlevania were the big players in the genre, something you really can’t argue in 2023 given how many other games have come out in the genre thanks to the indie scene. Heck, the last Castlevania game in that style turns 15 years old this year.
Do it! The biggest issue with Frontiers was it wanted to be like the Adventure series but stubbornly stuck to the boost mechanic. The boost has been a crutch Sonic has relied on for too long and it needs to go away.
I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand I’m glad the series is moving on and allowing itself to evolve, but on the other hand this just feels wrong. I’m so used to him being the main character and this change will take some getting used to.
@daveMcFlave I do like it more than Scott Pilgrim. That game copied the River City Formula without understanding what made it work. To this day I have no idea why people like it as much as they do.
Looking really good so far. I like that Peach has a more active role, the world looks beautiful and the acting seems pretty good from what I’ve heard so far. Yes, even from Chris Pratt.
Despite the glitches and technical hiccups a lot of people are enjoying the game. Let’s be honest, the hardcore gaming crowd, the people who care about these issues that frequent comment sections like this, are not the majority of people who buy video games. It’s the casual audience that makes up the bulk of that, the same casual audience Pokémon is aimed at.
This whole thing is utterly ridiculous. Sony are the top dog in the console space with plenty of their own IPs, Microsoft are in third with very few IPs. What are they afraid of?
Honestly with how easier they made EV training it became more and more useless. Plus having a virus affect your Pokémon would not fly these days due to covid.
@Jeronan being critical of something is good, it’s healthy for games to receive criticism so they can improve. But going on and on about it like this isn’t healthy at all. Just say your piece and move on.
@Jeronan dude there was no need for all that. Everything relevant was in the first paragraph. And Nintendo may have a stake in the Pokémon company but that doesn’t mean they have any control over Game Freak. If they did then we wouldn’t have seen GameFreak games on other consoles.
@Savage_Joe then don’t. If it bothers you then don’t spend anymore time on it. I just don’t understand why people are going on about it when the best thing to do is just move on.
@Savage_Joe no they aren’t. Because most of them are buying it for their kids. Most adults buying it probably aren’t going to be playing it, and kids will probably enjoy it regardless.
@Mgalens but we’re getting to the point where the differences in hardware are becoming less and less apparent. It isn’t like it was during the PS1 and N64 era where the differences in hardware was noticeable and obvious, now it’s outright imperceptible.
@Grumblevolcano the new 3DS also came out at the end of the 3DS life cycle as an attempt ti prolong it, much like the DSI did for the regular DS. The Pro and One X models came out early to address the criticism of the original models being underpowered, something which hurt those more as they were marketed as cutting edge hardware yet were underpowered at launch. I don’t see how these set an expectation of upgraded console models when viewed in context.
@Mr_Gamecube the whole “switch pro” thing has been the biggest pain in the neck for the entirety of the Switch’s life cycle. It’s based around Sony and Microsoft releasing updated models of the PS4 and Xbox One. Except those we’re done because both those consoles were outdated when they released. I don’t get why people think that’s the norm.
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Re: Paper Mario-Like 'Born Of Bread' Bakes Its Way Onto Switch This Summer
Well I do love me some Paper Mario so I’ll probably check this out at some point.
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl: Duel - Burger Time Deluxe
@YoshiF2 the already have
Re: SoulCalibur's Classic Games Are Rumoured To Be Getting Remastered
If this is a collection I will be so happy. This is my favourite fighting game series of all time.
Re: Countdown: 3DS eShop Spotlight - Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney – Spirit Of Justice
Ugh, this game was such a disappointment.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Are In For Tales Of Symphonia Remastered
I was going to pick it up, but then Prime Remastered was announced so I got that instead. I like Symphonia but I’d rather try a game I haven’t played before. Doesn’t help that as a remaster, Prime blows it out of the water.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Are In For Tales Of Symphonia Remastered
@BenAV it it’s still a decent game even though it’s showing it’s age.
Re: Metroid Prime Engineer "Let Down" By Exclusion Of Original Credits In Remaster
@DashKappei well I’ve played plenty of remasters and remakes and a lot of them didn’t credit the original team. There we’re a few but those were from games that were more upscaled ports.
It’s also a total non-issue. This guy is complaining he didn’t get credit for working on the game but he did. In original release back in 2002. They got credit then and it’s something to put on their resume.
Re: Metroid Prime Engineer "Let Down" By Exclusion Of Original Credits In Remaster
Isn’t this standard for most remasters/remakes? Why is it only becoming an issue now?
Re: Baten Kaitos Remasters Have Japanese VO Only, Frame Rate, File Size Revealed
Considering you have to read a lot of text anyway this isn’t a big deal.
Re: Game Boy And GBA Coming To Switch Online Today
Finally. Good launch line up too, Wario Land 3 is worth it on its own.
Re: Pronty, A Metroidvania With Echoes Of BioShock, Swims Onto Switch This March
@ComfyAko because when you define a genre by naming it after games within it you then create the precedent that games in the genre must conform to the games the genre is named after. And early on this is fine because when a genre is starting out you’re obviously going to copy those games the genre is named after.
But at some point the genre moves so beyond those games that it does the genre a disservice to name itself after them. It’s why genres usually have nebulous terms so that they can cover a wider variety of games within it.
Re: Pronty, A Metroidvania With Echoes Of BioShock, Swims Onto Switch This March
@ComfyAko but see that’s part of the problem, a lot of modern Metroidvania games aren’t following the same tropes as Metroid or Castlevania. The level design might be similar but the gameplay can be very different. Guacamelee has a heavy emphasis on hand to hand combat with grappling elements, Indivisible has RPG turn based combat, Hollow Knight has Dark Souls elements.
Even the level design isn’t always consistent. Shantae is considered a Metroidvania but it sometimes uses a level to level approach. As to several other games in the genre.
The more games come out in that style the more they drift away from Metroid and Castlevania. So why do we keep defining the genre by those specific games?
Whe we stopped using Doom Clones and used FPS that genre became much more diverse. Now we have different sub genres for that sub genre like Boomer shooter, Looter Shooter, Military shooter and so on.
I agree that Search Action isn’t a perfect term but we need to find a better name to properly define the genre if we want it to grow. I know people like Metroidvania as a name, but we need a better one that better encompasses the genre.
Re: Pronty, A Metroidvania With Echoes Of BioShock, Swims Onto Switch This March
@Serpenterror well it is a better description of the genre. Genre names shouldn’t be cool, they should tell you what the game actually is.
Re: Pronty, A Metroidvania With Echoes Of BioShock, Swims Onto Switch This March
@Rect_Pola I have an issue with rogue like too btw. Especially since the vast majority of rogue likes don’t even play like rogue to begin with.
Re: Pronty, A Metroidvania With Echoes Of BioShock, Swims Onto Switch This March
@ComfyAko I never said Metroid wasn’t a major player, i was saying Castlevania wasn’t because the last time it was relevant to the genre was 15 years ago. And the moniker only applies to some Castlevania games anyway.
But that isn’t even getting into the real reason the name needs to change. What does it say about the genre when we’re still naming it after games in it. The reason Doom Clone fell out of style was because as more games came out in that style it became apparent it had evolved beyond merely copying Doom and had come into its own. You can’t really call Call of Duty a Doom clone can you.
But the reason Doom Clone was used was because it was a new genre that hadn’t been properly defined yet. Nobody knew what to call it because it was such a new concept.
“Metroidvania” as a term started the exact same way. But now that we’ve had many more titles in the genre and properly defined what it is, why do we stick to the old name we used because we didn’t know what else to call it. I’d we want the genre to evolve maybe the name needs to evolve with it.
Re: Pronty, A Metroidvania With Echoes Of BioShock, Swims Onto Switch This March
@tseliot How? Search Action literally defines what you do in the game. Metroidvania was the term coined because Metroid and Castlevania were the big players in the genre, something you really can’t argue in 2023 given how many other games have come out in the genre thanks to the indie scene. Heck, the last Castlevania game in that style turns 15 years old this year.
Re: Pronty, A Metroidvania With Echoes Of BioShock, Swims Onto Switch This March
Can we just use the term Search Action please. Metroidvania is an outdated term like Doom-Clone or Smash-Clone.
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl: Viewtiful Joe
NA, no contest.
Re: Inti Creates Had A Mega Man ZX3 Game In Development, But It Got Cancelled
Any idea as to why it was cancelled?
Re: Mini Review: Wonder Boy Anniversary Collection - A Great But Gouging, Exploitative Package
This is why you wait for certain collections
Re: Feature: 6 Things We'd Love To See In Metroid Prime 4
You know what I want to see, an actual game.
Re: Sonic Frontiers Director Talks About Dropping Boost Mechanic In Next Game
Do it! The biggest issue with Frontiers was it wanted to be like the Adventure series but stubbornly stuck to the boost mechanic. The boost has been a crutch Sonic has relied on for too long and it needs to go away.
Re: Review: Fire Emblem Engage - Relationships Get Sidelined By A Thrilling Combat-First Focus
This sounds more up my alley than 3 Houses.
Re: Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund Raises Stake In Nintendo To 6%
Oh no, an entire percent 😱
Re: Kirby Gains New Copy Abilities For Return To Dreamland Deluxe
Looking more and more like the definitive version of a classic title.
Re: Bandai Namco Open To More Tales Remasters, Awaiting Fan Requests
So… Abyss next?
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl: Prince Of Persia
Japan is the clear winner here. It’s not eveua contest.
Re: Ash Ketchum's Time In The Pokémon Anime Is Coming To An End
I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand I’m glad the series is moving on and allowing itself to evolve, but on the other hand this just feels wrong. I’m so used to him being the main character and this change will take some getting used to.
Re: Review: River City Girls 2 - The Girls Are Back With A Strong, Albeit Safe, Sequel
@daveMcFlave I do like it more than Scott Pilgrim. That game copied the River City Formula without understanding what made it work. To this day I have no idea why people like it as much as they do.
Re: Review: River City Girls 2 - The Girls Are Back With A Strong, Albeit Safe, Sequel
@Expa0 I’m sorry but Scott Pilgrim is a far more sluggish brawler.
Re: Princess Peach And Donkey Kong Debut In New Super Mario Bros Movie Trailer
Looking really good so far. I like that Peach has a more active role, the world looks beautiful and the acting seems pretty good from what I’ve heard so far. Yes, even from Chris Pratt.
Re: Pokémon Scarlet & Violet Surpass 10 Million Sales In First Three Days, Setting New Nintendo Record
Despite the glitches and technical hiccups a lot of people are enjoying the game. Let’s be honest, the hardcore gaming crowd, the people who care about these issues that frequent comment sections like this, are not the majority of people who buy video games. It’s the casual audience that makes up the bulk of that, the same casual audience Pokémon is aimed at.
Re: Random: Sony Alleges That Microsoft Is Trying To Turn It Into Nintendo
This whole thing is utterly ridiculous. Sony are the top dog in the console space with plenty of their own IPs, Microsoft are in third with very few IPs. What are they afraid of?
Re: It's Official, There Are Now More Than 1,000 Pokémon
@Dragonite89 it isn’t about the power of the console it’s about saving time on coding each individual Pokémon.
Re: Pokémon Scarlet And Violet Removes All Cases Of Pokérus From The Game
@Gbdub209 yes because it’s not like we’ve just gotten through a distressing pandemic or something.
Re: Pokémon Scarlet And Violet Removes All Cases Of Pokérus From The Game
Honestly with how easier they made EV training it became more and more useless. Plus having a virus affect your Pokémon would not fly these days due to covid.
Re: Yuji Naka Reportedly Arrested During Square Enix Insider Trading Investigation
What the hell happened to the guy?
Re: Review: Pokémon Scarlet And Violet - An Open-World Poké Playground Full Of Promise (And Tech Issues)
After seeing a lot of the technical issues online, a lot of it comes off as funny to me. Like it’s bad, but not so bad that it makes me angry.
Re: Review: Pokémon Scarlet And Violet - An Open-World Poké Playground Full Of Promise (And Tech Issues)
@Jeronan being critical of something is good, it’s healthy for games to receive criticism so they can improve. But going on and on about it like this isn’t healthy at all. Just say your piece and move on.
Re: Review: Pokémon Scarlet And Violet - An Open-World Poké Playground Full Of Promise (And Tech Issues)
@Jeronan dude you need to chill.
Re: Review: Pokémon Scarlet And Violet - An Open-World Poké Playground Full Of Promise (And Tech Issues)
@Jeronan dude there was no need for all that. Everything relevant was in the first paragraph. And Nintendo may have a stake in the Pokémon company but that doesn’t mean they have any control over Game Freak. If they did then we wouldn’t have seen GameFreak games on other consoles.
Re: Review: Pokémon Scarlet And Violet - An Open-World Poké Playground Full Of Promise (And Tech Issues)
@Jeronan you do know Nintendo don’t actually own GameFreak right?
Re: Review: Pokémon Scarlet And Violet - An Open-World Poké Playground Full Of Promise (And Tech Issues)
@Savage_Joe then don’t. If it bothers you then don’t spend anymore time on it. I just don’t understand why people are going on about it when the best thing to do is just move on.
Re: Review: Pokémon Scarlet And Violet - An Open-World Poké Playground Full Of Promise (And Tech Issues)
@Savage_Joe no they aren’t. Because most of them are buying it for their kids. Most adults buying it probably aren’t going to be playing it, and kids will probably enjoy it regardless.
Re: Review: Pokémon Scarlet And Violet - An Open-World Poké Playground Full Of Promise (And Tech Issues)
It’s sad seeing a bunch of adults bemoaning a franchise meant for children.
Re: Review: Pokémon Scarlet And Violet - An Open-World Poké Playground Full Of Promise (And Tech Issues)
So basically it’s a really good game but it’s held back by technical issues. Alright then.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry's Technical Analysis Of Bayonetta 3
@Mgalens but we’re getting to the point where the differences in hardware are becoming less and less apparent. It isn’t like it was during the PS1 and N64 era where the differences in hardware was noticeable and obvious, now it’s outright imperceptible.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry's Technical Analysis Of Bayonetta 3
@Mr_Gamecube I miss the days where we just enjoyed a console for as long as we could. Now it seams all we care about is the next hardware update.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry's Technical Analysis Of Bayonetta 3
@Grumblevolcano the new 3DS also came out at the end of the 3DS life cycle as an attempt ti prolong it, much like the DSI did for the regular DS. The Pro and One X models came out early to address the criticism of the original models being underpowered, something which hurt those more as they were marketed as cutting edge hardware yet were underpowered at launch. I don’t see how these set an expectation of upgraded console models when viewed in context.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry's Technical Analysis Of Bayonetta 3
@Mr_Gamecube the whole “switch pro” thing has been the biggest pain in the neck for the entirety of the Switch’s life cycle. It’s based around Sony and Microsoft releasing updated models of the PS4 and Xbox One. Except those we’re done because both those consoles were outdated when they released. I don’t get why people think that’s the norm.