@Munchlax Amen. This is the big problem here. I know people had some issues with the remakes in the past, but they were much higher quality than this before. They were always made to stylistically match the current generation and had some nifty new features added onto them. (DexNav or whatever it was called from OR/AS was fantastic) In fact... OR/AS were a complete reversal from R/S for me, I disliked R/S but greatly enjoyed OR/AS.
But BD/SP... They look like 3DS games. They were obviously outsourced to be made in a quick, cheap fashion. This is not the Pokemon remake series I had come to love. And this making so much money puts me into complete despair, as now it looks like the remake series could follow this path. I hate it when companies get rewarded for such poor products.
Who knows, we could be surprised. GF obviously had no reason to innovate and give us Pokemon Legends: Arceus. Nintendo had no reason to make Super Mario Odyssey and bring back the original 3D Mario style when the Galaxy series had such a high reception and sales. I hope that the Pokemon remakes follow this trend and return to their former glory, but it's sad because either way, this is the treatment D/P got. It deserved better.
@johnvboy I had seen somewhere before that he followed some really bad accounts on Instagram, and I just logged on to verify this for myself before saying anything. I scrolled through just a portion of it, and have already run into PragerU and TurningPointUSA.
@Curator Homosexuality is rooted in a natural sexual or romantic desire. Acting on that behavior is widely understood by scientific communities to be the most healthy behavior for people with those desires.
Disagreeing with the "action" is disagreeing with what comes natural for those of us who are homosexual (I am a lesbian, myself). You can't separate these things. Trying to is just apologetics and it's complete nonsense. It's homophobia, you can try to wrap it up in a bow, but it is what it is and always will be.
@Curator "Disagreeing" with homosexuality is homophobia, because you're "disagreeing" with a trait that is inherent to someone. You don't go around saying you "disagree" with someone who is the opposite sex of you or someone of a different race. Or at least I hope you don't. It's not something to disagree with. It's a morally neutral thing.
BTW, if Chris Pratt, you, or anyone else are voting in politicians who take away our rights or otherwise fight against rights being put into law we have EVERY right to be mad at them.
@valcoholic I could say a lot about that, but I'll keep my mouth shut (I'll just say, opinions on video game consoles are entirely different from politics. The former is a mere opinion, the latter is not). In relation to gaming companies, I feel like there's a lot less (public, at least) animosity between them. Things seem a lot more respectful nowadays.
Can't really do anything about the console wars within the fanbases. The console wars arguments pretty much amount to "I know you are, but what am I". Thus, seeing as the fanbases can not mature past the sixth grade, I don't know what can be done. lol
@NinjaNicky Those of us who don't like it, aren't buying it. And that doesn't for one second mean we can't have an express our opinions.
I have played Pokemon since the very beginning, and had set a standard for remakes after FR/LG, HG/SS, and OR/AS. Naturally, I'm disappointed in these games and naturally I'm going to express that.
BTW, it must be really nice to have so much disposable income that you can just throw $60 at a game and then delete it after trying it for a few minutes and buy another $60 game. =/
@mr-duster It's an expression. Saying it in other words: "I liked all of the Pokemon remakes beforehand (excluding LGP/E, which are their own thing), that it feels sad to not be able to be excited for these".
@Greatluigi The majority liking something is not at all a valid argument against someone thinking something is bad.
I wish I could want these remakes, because the Pokemon remake series (setting aside LGP/E) was always great before this point, but these are not worth the asking price. I might get them at $30, but not $60.
@igornorado Yeah, the problem with these weapon/tool breaking games is not eventually giving us a weapon/tool that doesn't break. It makes sense to start off with flimsy tools in New Horizons, it really does. But to have Golden tools that break is a joke. =/
So far I'm very pleased. More than anything I am happy for all of the new furniture items added. New Horizons was lacking so badly in this category, and it really squandered its potential.
But... not even in my wildest dreams did I imagine that they would add as much as they did. It's mind-blowing! But in a very, very, VERY good way. People's islands are going to be decorated in so many unique ways (and not always because of the making items look like something else technique that was used so much on NH islands before now).
All of this time I was complaining about the lack of furniture. All of that time they must have been working hard on this update. And while I can't be blamed for not expecting it, I do want to say WOW. Great job to them. This is seriously impressive. It blew me out of the water. lol
@Abighoul True. Flowers are wild in this game. They spread far too quickly and far too rapidly. The west part of my town is completely covered in them and cleaning them up is really annoying since you have to use a shovel, which can break. D:
Some people were speculating there might be 1000 new items. I thought they were being far too optimistic. Hard to believe they were actually right!
For now, I'm not looking at any lists, I'm going to take my time and find the new furniture for myself. =D It's really comforting to know that there is truthfully a lot. This game needed it, a lot.
@SViper Indeed, The Sims series games are outrageously expensive. Nowadays packs are getting split, as well, meaning you're paying twice as much for what would have all been in one pack back in The Sims 1 or 2.
Now, I love The Sims 3, but it really takes the cake. To have all of the store DLC would cost so much money I can't even fathom it. And even seven years after EA moved on to The Sims 4, it all still costs the same, not discounted! I can't understand.
It's hard to believe but there are people out there in their low to mid 20s for which the GCN would be an early childhood memory for them, like the NES and SNES was for me.
It's a better deal for me to purchase HHP and have it permanently. I don't want something so important to me tied to a super pricey subscription service.
My island has always been incomplete, because the outdoor decor was so limited and thus I couldn't even do what I wanted. So... With this update, that part of my island that hasn't been decorated will finally be decorated, and the rest of it will be refined with all of the new options!
Most of what I've done to prepare has been cleaning up my island. Unfortunately, the biggest mess of all - the flowers - is very hard to clean up. =/
@mr-duster You say the generation that "everybody grew up with", but that is an inaccurate statement. Pokemon as a franchise has been going on for 25 years now. While I may have grown up with Gen I, a heck of a lot of the Pokemon fanbase didn't. I said earlier that there are now fans that began with and grew up with each generation after I. Do you really believe that people like me who have been with the franchise since the 90s are the majority? It's a franchise geared toward children. I'm in my 30s now. lol
But okay, perhaps they are iconic. I still believe this status has been largely manufactured over the past 8 years or so, leading into the 20th anniversary.
"And you literally said that Gen VIII got 19 Gigantamax forms while Gen I had 12. It's not about "overkill", and it's not about "terms of past generations"."
Generation VIII is the current generation. It's only natural that it would get the most focus. What you need to look at is the way the previous generations were treated. That's where you see the dramatically uneven representation. Gen I - 12, Gen II - 0, Gen III - 0, Gen IV - 0, Gen V - 1, Gen VI - 0, and Gen VII - 1. This is Gen I overkill. Completely and totally.
The music in OOT's Shadow Temple/The Well and even Dodongo's Cavern was so terrifying to me when I was little that I had to turn down the volume to play it. lol (and I didn't play through Shadow Temple until I was an adult lol)
@mr-duster And I just got done explaining how gen I wasn't put on a pedestal until recently. Gen I was considered one of the many generations of Pokemon before then. Of course, it had a special place in many old fans' hearts, but that doesn't mean that it's the most "iconic". Sure a Pokemon like Pikachu is iconic, but that's because they made it the mascot.
"A bit more attention"? I think you're severely underestimating how much attention Gen I has gotten as opposed to other generations. In Gen VII, every single regional variant Pokemon was Gen I. Every. Single. One. And even in Gen VIII, when they finally expanded to other generations, Gen I still had more. Literally well over half. That is completely off-balanced representation. And the Gigantamax forms? When I said that I meant previous generations' Pokemon getting them. It turns out that I was wrong... but only in a very small way that doesn't negate my point at all. In terms of past generations, only two Pokemon got Gigantamax forms that weren't Gen I Pokemon - Garbodor and Melmetal. But lets look at the numbers: Gen I - 12 Gigantamax Pokemon, Generation VIII - 19 Gigantamax Pokemon, other Generations - 2 Gigantamax Pokemon. This is far and away from being "a little bit of attention". This is total overkill.
@mr-duster "Iconic" to older Pokemon fans who have been playing since Gen I perhaps. But Pokemon is a long running series now.
We now have Pokemon fans who have grown up with Gen II, III, IV, V, VI, VI, VII, and even VIII Pokemon.
I feel like before Gen VI, Gen I Pokemon were treated differently. They weren't given much special treatment. This special treatment is a recent occurrence. It's like TPC is trying to, themselves, hammer the Gen I Pokemon as the most iconic Pokemon, when it wasn't seen that way before, aside from people who only played Gen I and stopped afterward. Which is the crowd that, for some strange reason, TPC wanted to draw back out. We saw it happen with the Pokemon GO craze back in 2016. I heard time and time again during that craze from people who had long since forgotten Pokemon. They made comments like "There are too many Pokemon", "I don't acknowledge Pokemon past 151". And you know what? Many of these fans did not go on to get back into the franchise. GO was just a passing fad for them that they probably wouldn't even acknowledge they ever took part in now.
Yet somehow, now we have to deal with this continued pandering to them. Perhaps it was just a self-fulfilling prophecy. Perhaps TPC wanted to bring those people back, and in that effort gave Gen I Pokemon so much special treatment that there was no going back after that point. They'd already decided they were iconic, and now they think they've made it so, which many of us longtime Pokemon fans are just annoyed.
I have played since Gen I. I did not abandon Pokemon when they started making more, and have found favorites all across every generation, and don't for even once second think that those favorites are lesser than Gen I Pokemon, in fact, many of them I like so much better.
I think TPC/GF need to go back to approaching Pokemon from an all generation perspective, because fans longtime and new (and everything in between) have favorites that are from all generations, and don't hold Gen I Pokemon on any kind of pedestal.
I think that the GF games are slowly but surely getting slightly better about it, but it's still cringe at points, like all of the previous generation Gigantamax Pokemon being Gen I Pokemon. It's just...overkill. At least regional forms are no longer exclusively for Gen I Pokemon, even if they are still leaning on Gen I far too much. Seeing forms for Zorua/Zoruark (Gen V Pokemon) is very refreshing. They need more of that, and less of Gen I forms.
@Gravitron Thanks for pointing that out. Looks like the article here misrepresented them a little bit. I see that their Hoenn collection is incredibly large. Although the site wasn't loading very well so I didn't really get to see them, but it's nice to know they're there.
@mr-duster It is to me because I'm really tired of having Gen I Pokemon shoved in my face all of the time. It used to be that they weren't focused on as much by Pokemon media and merch (beyond Pikachu, for obvious reasons) and when they appeared in a new Pokemon game, they were a joy to see, giving me a nostalgic feeling (I started playing Pokemon back in 1999 myself).
But now they are everywhere and GF, TPC, etc. have played the nostalgia card way too hard (and constantly) and now I'm unfortunately irritated by seeing them instead of feeling nostalgic. This handling of Gen I Pokemon is a textbook way to completely ruin nostalgia and it's sad.
Sadly this is not substantial at all. Golden Sun could have been a long-running popular series, but Nintendo completely failed to capitalize on it (with the long-awaited sequel to the originals coming out something like 7 or 8 years after the originals and on a dying platform). They couldn't even give it proper Smash representation, time and time again. But sure add more KI characters, FE characters, and third party characters that have absolutely nothing to do with Nintendo. rolls eyes
I can't believe Ocarina of Time now has a higher percentage than people not purchasing the expansion. Imagine spending $50 to play a game that you have been able to play on pretty much every Nintendo system since it was released (including the 3DS).
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Re: Japanese Charts: Pokémon Diamond And Pearl Remakes Go Top In Tremendous Opening Weekend
@Munchlax Amen. This is the big problem here. I know people had some issues with the remakes in the past, but they were much higher quality than this before. They were always made to stylistically match the current generation and had some nifty new features added onto them. (DexNav or whatever it was called from OR/AS was fantastic) In fact... OR/AS were a complete reversal from R/S for me, I disliked R/S but greatly enjoyed OR/AS.
But BD/SP... They look like 3DS games. They were obviously outsourced to be made in a quick, cheap fashion. This is not the Pokemon remake series I had come to love. And this making so much money puts me into complete despair, as now it looks like the remake series could follow this path. I hate it when companies get rewarded for such poor products.
Who knows, we could be surprised. GF obviously had no reason to innovate and give us Pokemon Legends: Arceus. Nintendo had no reason to make Super Mario Odyssey and bring back the original 3D Mario style when the Galaxy series had such a high reception and sales. I hope that the Pokemon remakes follow this trend and return to their former glory, but it's sad because either way, this is the treatment D/P got. It deserved better.
Re: Japanese Charts: Pokémon Diamond And Pearl Remakes Go Top In Tremendous Opening Weekend
Well, that's depressing.
Re: Random: A Bunch Of Little Pikachus Danced Around A Ten-Metre-Tall Pikachu To Celebrate Mall Opening
I'm just surprised that there are new shopping malls being made. lol
Re: New Pokémon Converse Collection Includes Shoes, Shirts, Hats And More
@Munchlax Right? How boring.
Re: Mario Movie Producer Defends Chris Pratt's Casting, Says The Voice Is "Phenomenal"
@johnvboy I had seen somewhere before that he followed some really bad accounts on Instagram, and I just logged on to verify this for myself before saying anything. I scrolled through just a portion of it, and have already run into PragerU and TurningPointUSA.
Sorry, but that is not a good look at all.
Re: Mario Movie Producer Defends Chris Pratt's Casting, Says The Voice Is "Phenomenal"
@Curator Homosexuality is rooted in a natural sexual or romantic desire. Acting on that behavior is widely understood by scientific communities to be the most healthy behavior for people with those desires.
Disagreeing with the "action" is disagreeing with what comes natural for those of us who are homosexual (I am a lesbian, myself). You can't separate these things. Trying to is just apologetics and it's complete nonsense. It's homophobia, you can try to wrap it up in a bow, but it is what it is and always will be.
Re: Mario Movie Producer Defends Chris Pratt's Casting, Says The Voice Is "Phenomenal"
@Curator "Disagreeing" with homosexuality is homophobia, because you're "disagreeing" with a trait that is inherent to someone. You don't go around saying you "disagree" with someone who is the opposite sex of you or someone of a different race. Or at least I hope you don't. It's not something to disagree with. It's a morally neutral thing.
BTW, if Chris Pratt, you, or anyone else are voting in politicians who take away our rights or otherwise fight against rights being put into law we have EVERY right to be mad at them.
Re: Random: Reggie Fils-Aimé Admits He Bought Xbox Over GameCube As He Hosts 20th Anniversary Panel
@valcoholic I could say a lot about that, but I'll keep my mouth shut (I'll just say, opinions on video game consoles are entirely different from politics. The former is a mere opinion, the latter is not). In relation to gaming companies, I feel like there's a lot less (public, at least) animosity between them. Things seem a lot more respectful nowadays.
Can't really do anything about the console wars within the fanbases. The console wars arguments pretty much amount to "I know you are, but what am I". Thus, seeing as the fanbases can not mature past the sixth grade, I don't know what can be done. lol
Re: Best Pokémon Games Of All Time
I'm not in agreement with a lot of rankings here, but I am glad to see BD/SP and LGP/E at the very bottom of the list.
Re: Anniversary: Zelda: Twilight Princess Is Now 15 Years Old (That's 105 In Wolf Years)
This game was released in my senior year of high school. o.o Oh my god.
Re: Pokémon Brilliant Diamond And Shining Pearl Are Out Today On Switch, Which Version Are You Getting?
@mr-duster $60 is a heck of a lot to spend to give something you already feel is lackluster a try.
Re: Pokémon Brilliant Diamond And Shining Pearl Are Out Today On Switch, Which Version Are You Getting?
@NinjaNicky Those of us who don't like it, aren't buying it. And that doesn't for one second mean we can't have an express our opinions.
I have played Pokemon since the very beginning, and had set a standard for remakes after FR/LG, HG/SS, and OR/AS. Naturally, I'm disappointed in these games and naturally I'm going to express that.
BTW, it must be really nice to have so much disposable income that you can just throw $60 at a game and then delete it after trying it for a few minutes and buy another $60 game. =/
Re: Pokémon Brilliant Diamond And Shining Pearl Are Out Today On Switch, Which Version Are You Getting?
@mr-duster It's an expression. Saying it in other words: "I liked all of the Pokemon remakes beforehand (excluding LGP/E, which are their own thing), that it feels sad to not be able to be excited for these".
@Greatluigi The majority liking something is not at all a valid argument against someone thinking something is bad.
Re: Pokémon Brilliant Diamond And Shining Pearl Are Out Today On Switch, Which Version Are You Getting?
I wish I could want these remakes, because the Pokemon remake series (setting aside LGP/E) was always great before this point, but these are not worth the asking price. I might get them at $30, but not $60.
Re: Random: Xbox Celebrates The GameCube (And The Dreamcast!) On Their 20th Anniversary
One of the best eras? It was THE best era, IMO. But then the Wii happened. SMH.
Re: Random: Want A Live Band In Zelda: A Link To The Past? The Game Brass Has You Covered
@Astral-Grain Meh. Live brass is generally a fantastic choice for ALTTP's tracks, actually. A lot of MIDI brass is used in the OST.
A purist of the originals might better appreciate arrangements like this one from Orchestral Fantasy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73CgDnCSEUo
Re: Random: There's A Lot Of Creepy New Stuff In The Animal Crossing: New Horizons Update
It's sad that people see the ruins as creepy. I'm just ecstatic to have ancient Greek-like columns back.
Re: These Are The Most Loved (And Most Hated) Pokémon, According To A New Study
I liked the list posted some time ago that wasn't dominated by Gen I Pokemon somehow.
Re: Animal Crossing Kapp'n's Boat Tours - New Horizons Island Tours Explained
Last night I ran into one with planted potatoes.
Re: YouTube Is Hiding The Dislike Count, Good News For Switch Online's Video Team
Harassment is a thing, but I don't think that a bunch of dislikes on Nintendo's videos counts as such. Nintendo is a corporation, they can handle it.
Re: Animal Crossing Happy Home Paradise DLC: Polishable Items - Every Polish Effect Full List
I wasn't aware of the custom option. That means I can put musical note effects on instruments! =D
Re: PSA: Animal Crossing's Happy Home Paradise DLC Fixes New Horizons' Most-Hated Feature
@igornorado Yeah, the problem with these weapon/tool breaking games is not eventually giving us a weapon/tool that doesn't break. It makes sense to start off with flimsy tools in New Horizons, it really does. But to have Golden tools that break is a joke. =/
Re: Got A Spare $25,000? Then This Baccarat 'Pokémon Pikachu Fragment' Could Be Yours
Rich people stuff.
Re: Hideki Kamiya Says He Wants To Make An Okami Sequel "Someday"
I really enjoyed Okami, and would be super excited to see a sequel! I know they've been saying they want to make a sequel for a couple of years now.
Just please, no blockhead (or whatever he was called) puzzles anymore. Those gave me anxiety. lol
Re: Feature: 30 Things In The Animal Crossing: New Horizons Update You Might Have Missed
@Kidfunkadelic83 I believe you just have to have gotten past the point of getting K.K. Slider, but I may be wrong.
Re: Feature: 30 Things In The Animal Crossing: New Horizons Update You Might Have Missed
The castle set is so cool! I can't wait to get ahold of it!
Re: Poll: Are You Enjoying Animal Crossing: New Horizons Version 2.0?
So far I'm very pleased. More than anything I am happy for all of the new furniture items added. New Horizons was lacking so badly in this category, and it really squandered its potential.
But... not even in my wildest dreams did I imagine that they would add as much as they did. It's mind-blowing! But in a very, very, VERY good way. People's islands are going to be decorated in so many unique ways (and not always because of the making items look like something else technique that was used so much on NH islands before now).
All of this time I was complaining about the lack of furniture. All of that time they must have been working hard on this update. And while I can't be blamed for not expecting it, I do want to say WOW. Great job to them. This is seriously impressive. It blew me out of the water. lol
Re: PSA: Leif Can Now Weed Your Animal Crossing: New Horizons Island, But It's Pricey
@Abighoul True. Flowers are wild in this game. They spread far too quickly and far too rapidly. The west part of my town is completely covered in them and cleaning them up is really annoying since you have to use a shovel, which can break. D:
Re: Datamining Finds Thousands Of New Items In Animal Crossing: New Horizons Version 2.0
Some people were speculating there might be 1000 new items. I thought they were being far too optimistic. Hard to believe they were actually right!
For now, I'm not looking at any lists, I'm going to take my time and find the new furniture for myself. =D It's really comforting to know that there is truthfully a lot. This game needed it, a lot.
Re: Watch: Nintendo Life's Lovely Video Team Plays Animal Crossing: New Horizons Version 2.0 - Live!
@mario-from-mario-64 You can do that? o.o Wow. lol
Re: Watch: Nintendo Life's Lovely Video Team Plays Animal Crossing: New Horizons Version 2.0 - Live!
@mario-from-mario-64 Whatttt? I don't have it yet. =( I even checked if there was an update to add it, and no. =(
EDIT: Oh, he said "in Australia".
Re: Animal Crossing: New Horizons Update 2.0.0 Patch Notes - Final Major Update, Happy Home Paradise DLC And More
That's much earlier than I accounted for. My Switch was not fully charged. Lol. I got to play for a while before the battery went low, though. =)
Re: Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 Legendary DLC Pack 2 Is Detailed, More Coming In 2022
@SViper Indeed, The Sims series games are outrageously expensive. Nowadays packs are getting split, as well, meaning you're paying twice as much for what would have all been in one pack back in The Sims 1 or 2.
Now, I love The Sims 3, but it really takes the cake. To have all of the store DLC would cost so much money I can't even fathom it. And even seven years after EA moved on to The Sims 4, it all still costs the same, not discounted! I can't understand.
Re: Random: Oh No, People Don't Recognise GameCubes Any More
It's hard to believe but there are people out there in their low to mid 20s for which the GCN would be an early childhood memory for them, like the NES and SNES was for me.
Re: Animal Crossing: New Horizons Adds Handheld Lanterns For A Limited Time
I learned recently that these are tied to NSO and since I don't have it currently I can't get them. =(
Re: Soapbox: The Switch Online Expansion Pack Is Great Value – If You Love Animal Crossing
It's a better deal for me to purchase HHP and have it permanently. I don't want something so important to me tied to a super pricey subscription service.
Re: Talking Point: Are You Preparing Your Island For The Animal Crossing: New Horizons Update?
My island has always been incomplete, because the outdoor decor was so limited and thus I couldn't even do what I wanted. So... With this update, that part of my island that hasn't been decorated will finally be decorated, and the rest of it will be refined with all of the new options!
Most of what I've done to prepare has been cleaning up my island. Unfortunately, the biggest mess of all - the flowers - is very hard to clean up. =/
Re: New Pokémon Shirts Show Off Designs For Charizard, Blastoise, And Venusaur
@mr-duster You say the generation that "everybody grew up with", but that is an inaccurate statement. Pokemon as a franchise has been going on for 25 years now. While I may have grown up with Gen I, a heck of a lot of the Pokemon fanbase didn't. I said earlier that there are now fans that began with and grew up with each generation after I. Do you really believe that people like me who have been with the franchise since the 90s are the majority? It's a franchise geared toward children. I'm in my 30s now. lol
But okay, perhaps they are iconic. I still believe this status has been largely manufactured over the past 8 years or so, leading into the 20th anniversary.
"And you literally said that Gen VIII got 19 Gigantamax forms while Gen I had 12. It's not about "overkill", and it's not about "terms of past generations"."
Generation VIII is the current generation. It's only natural that it would get the most focus. What you need to look at is the way the previous generations were treated. That's where you see the dramatically uneven representation. Gen I - 12, Gen II - 0, Gen III - 0, Gen IV - 0, Gen V - 1, Gen VI - 0, and Gen VII - 1. This is Gen I overkill. Completely and totally.
Re: Feature: Spookiest Video Game Music - Halloween Playlist
The music in OOT's Shadow Temple/The Well and even Dodongo's Cavern was so terrifying to me when I was little that I had to turn down the volume to play it. lol (and I didn't play through Shadow Temple until I was an adult lol)
Re: New Pokémon Shirts Show Off Designs For Charizard, Blastoise, And Venusaur
@mr-duster And I just got done explaining how gen I wasn't put on a pedestal until recently. Gen I was considered one of the many generations of Pokemon before then. Of course, it had a special place in many old fans' hearts, but that doesn't mean that it's the most "iconic". Sure a Pokemon like Pikachu is iconic, but that's because they made it the mascot.
"A bit more attention"? I think you're severely underestimating how much attention Gen I has gotten as opposed to other generations. In Gen VII, every single regional variant Pokemon was Gen I. Every. Single. One. And even in Gen VIII, when they finally expanded to other generations, Gen I still had more. Literally well over half. That is completely off-balanced representation. And the Gigantamax forms? When I said that I meant previous generations' Pokemon getting them. It turns out that I was wrong... but only in a very small way that doesn't negate my point at all. In terms of past generations, only two Pokemon got Gigantamax forms that weren't Gen I Pokemon - Garbodor and Melmetal. But lets look at the numbers: Gen I - 12 Gigantamax Pokemon, Generation VIII - 19 Gigantamax Pokemon, other Generations - 2 Gigantamax Pokemon. This is far and away from being "a little bit of attention". This is total overkill.
Re: New Pokémon Shirts Show Off Designs For Charizard, Blastoise, And Venusaur
@mr-duster "Iconic" to older Pokemon fans who have been playing since Gen I perhaps. But Pokemon is a long running series now.
We now have Pokemon fans who have grown up with Gen II, III, IV, V, VI, VI, VII, and even VIII Pokemon.
I feel like before Gen VI, Gen I Pokemon were treated differently. They weren't given much special treatment. This special treatment is a recent occurrence. It's like TPC is trying to, themselves, hammer the Gen I Pokemon as the most iconic Pokemon, when it wasn't seen that way before, aside from people who only played Gen I and stopped afterward. Which is the crowd that, for some strange reason, TPC wanted to draw back out. We saw it happen with the Pokemon GO craze back in 2016. I heard time and time again during that craze from people who had long since forgotten Pokemon. They made comments like "There are too many Pokemon", "I don't acknowledge Pokemon past 151". And you know what? Many of these fans did not go on to get back into the franchise. GO was just a passing fad for them that they probably wouldn't even acknowledge they ever took part in now.
Yet somehow, now we have to deal with this continued pandering to them. Perhaps it was just a self-fulfilling prophecy. Perhaps TPC wanted to bring those people back, and in that effort gave Gen I Pokemon so much special treatment that there was no going back after that point. They'd already decided they were iconic, and now they think they've made it so, which many of us longtime Pokemon fans are just annoyed.
I have played since Gen I. I did not abandon Pokemon when they started making more, and have found favorites all across every generation, and don't for even once second think that those favorites are lesser than Gen I Pokemon, in fact, many of them I like so much better.
I think TPC/GF need to go back to approaching Pokemon from an all generation perspective, because fans longtime and new (and everything in between) have favorites that are from all generations, and don't hold Gen I Pokemon on any kind of pedestal.
I think that the GF games are slowly but surely getting slightly better about it, but it's still cringe at points, like all of the previous generation Gigantamax Pokemon being Gen I Pokemon. It's just...overkill. At least regional forms are no longer exclusively for Gen I Pokemon, even if they are still leaning on Gen I far too much. Seeing forms for Zorua/Zoruark (Gen V Pokemon) is very refreshing. They need more of that, and less of Gen I forms.
Re: New Pokémon Shirts Show Off Designs For Charizard, Blastoise, And Venusaur
@Gravitron Thanks for pointing that out. Looks like the article here misrepresented them a little bit. I see that their Hoenn collection is incredibly large. Although the site wasn't loading very well so I didn't really get to see them, but it's nice to know they're there.
Re: New Pokémon Shirts Show Off Designs For Charizard, Blastoise, And Venusaur
@mr-duster It is to me because I'm really tired of having Gen I Pokemon shoved in my face all of the time. It used to be that they weren't focused on as much by Pokemon media and merch (beyond Pikachu, for obvious reasons) and when they appeared in a new Pokemon game, they were a joy to see, giving me a nostalgic feeling (I started playing Pokemon back in 1999 myself).
But now they are everywhere and GF, TPC, etc. have played the nostalgia card way too hard (and constantly) and now I'm unfortunately irritated by seeing them instead of feeling nostalgic. This handling of Gen I Pokemon is a textbook way to completely ruin nostalgia and it's sad.
Re: New Pokémon Shirts Show Off Designs For Charizard, Blastoise, And Venusaur
New Pokemon shirts? Cool.
Featuring only Gen I Pokemon? Not cool.
Re: Poll: Mario Party Superstars Is Out Today On Switch, Are You Getting It?
I'd like to pick it up someday when it goes on sale. It's definitely not a $60 purchase, though.
Re: Random: Hey, A Switch Online N64 Game Description Mentions Golden Sun
Sadly this is not substantial at all. Golden Sun could have been a long-running popular series, but Nintendo completely failed to capitalize on it (with the long-awaited sequel to the originals coming out something like 7 or 8 years after the originals and on a dying platform). They couldn't even give it proper Smash representation, time and time again. But sure add more KI characters, FE characters, and third party characters that have absolutely nothing to do with Nintendo. rolls eyes
Re: Poll: N64 And Sega Genesis Nintendo Switch Online Games Launch Today - Which Will You Play First?
I can't believe Ocarina of Time now has a higher percentage than people not purchasing the expansion. Imagine spending $50 to play a game that you have been able to play on pretty much every Nintendo system since it was released (including the 3DS).
Re: Poll: N64 And Sega Genesis Nintendo Switch Online Games Launch Today - Which Will You Play First?
This is not the worth the price. I will not be purchasing it.
Re: Random: Now That Smash Is Complete, Sakurai Doesn't Have To Worry About What He Shares On Social Media
Were there any actual hints in his images? I never heard of there being anything of significance. The fanbase needs to stop reading into his images.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (October 23rd)
FFXIV, with some Animal Crossing New Horizons on the side.