It's fair to say that the incredible growth of the internet and in particular social media has changed its feel a great deal over the years. So of us are old enough to remember when the web was a rather quirky and surprisingly friendly place, but its all-encompassing presence in modern life now leaves websites and social media networks grappling with a variety of factors. How do you support 'free speech' but protect people from harassment and bigotry? How do you encourage honest feedback but shutdown the viral trend of review bombing and sustained downvoting campaigns?
In the video above YouTube confirms that, rolling out gradually from today, it'll address part of the challenge by hiding the dislike 'count' on videos. The button will still be there, and disliking content will still influence your recommendations (and likely have some impact on the site's algorithm, but that's a bit of speculation on our part), but the count won't be shown to the public. Creators will still be able to see it in their analytics, though, should they want that data feedback. If you're feeling cynical, too, hiding it from public view may also allow YouTube to sell the data to external marketing agencies in the future.
Of course, in the gaming space we've seen the dislike count 'weaponised' a great deal. Our little gag in the headline was referring to the continual campaign that has seen Nintendo Switch Online videos heavily downvoted, which reached new levels with the overview trailer of the Expansion Pack. Also, in a humorous oversight, YouTube's own video confirming this change has initially shown its rather high dislike count publicly.
It is worth noting, though, that there are valid reasons to hide downvotes and dislike button counts, as it's incontrovertible that they have been used in deeply hurtful and toxic ways online. The anonymity of those vote buttons can allow people to target and harass content creators on grounds of race, sexuality, gender, politics and other factors. Taking away the visible count is an attempt to avoid aggressive and potentially harmful campaigns making use of the metric.
Of course, there'll be lots of different views on this - is it worth also dropping the 'like' count, for example, making the 'votes' a means of managing your own recommendations and little more? There's no simple option to please everyone, that's for sure.
Let us know whether you agree with YouTube's move down in the comments.
Gotta protect the big wigs pathetic.
This sucks, they’re saying that it stops creator harassment but said creators can still see the dislikes on their videos which makes removing it absolutely pointless
I agree with this. Not for big corporations and the like but because negativity online is a huge problem and content creators just don’t need to see that random people ‘dislike’ them. Relevant criticisms will still be made without an arbitrary ‘video bad’ button.
If they were serious about harassment they would focus on comments not the dislike option.
Just in time for footage of GTA Trilogy to hit 😂
Joking aside, for content creators we don't need such negativity out there and much of it is unwarranted
I can get behind this. I'm glad I can't see how many negative thumbs down my comments get! Seriously though, just having likes as a metric is good enough.
YouTube comment dislikes already did nothing, so this is following suit.
Do the dislike on Nintendo Life actually do anything either?
"One goal is to protect creators from harassment"
Translation: Our goal is to protect large corporations and governments from criticism and being held to account. Because ability to turn off comments isn't enough for them.
@Jackpaza0508 in theory it will end pile-ons. Nintendolife did the same on here. There was a certain user here that would always have 5+ dislikes on their comments for just being their passionate selves and it always made me feel uneasy.
Can't wait until they hide the like button because the wrong creators with the wrong political opinions talking about the wrong sensitive topics are getting too many likes.
@MarioBrickLayer Aren't they? Many comments get deleted on YT simply for having certain words present, and not in an offensive context.
Isn't the point of a dislike count to let creators know when they're doing a bad job? If anything this will lead to worse harassment in the comments.
Saw this yesterday. They'll have to forgive me for thinking they are full of it and have not actually done it for noble reasons. Not to mention, if people are truly mounting dislike campaigns against small creators, they will find other ways of harassing, either via comments (if they are not disabled), or via other channels such as Twitter and other forms of social media.
I don't like this, and I'm saying this as a youtube creator with a modest 150 subs since I started in August. The main reason I don't like it: When looking up tutorials for anything, from game walkthroughs to how to build a deck, the likes/dislikes ratio was a strong indicator of how good of a guide the video is.
We are living in a new Golden Age of Censorship:
Despite all the fanheads unironically believing in negative virtual numbers somehow sticking it to the Man, I find it hard to picture downvotes harassing anyone at all... unless they feel stressed due to sharing the aforesaid unironic belief about virtual numbers' impact. But what YouTube wants to do here is most certainly no skin off my back either. And I live in a country where "insulting the president" has literally been a criminal offence for decades, so by all means, folks, come cry about "corporations stripping you of your freedom of speech" on my shoulder.🙄😏
@Clyde_Radcliffe EXACTLY!!!!! As others have said, if they really wanted to make a difference, they would monitor offensive comments. They just do not want large companies to have a lot of negatives on their videos... cough cough Marvel
@victordamazio Grow up. I'm tired of seeing this angle from you over and over and over here. But I'll repeat it again. People calling things sexist/racist/whatever are saying it because they think the thing is sexist/racist/whatever and they want injustice to stop. Conservative politicians attacking video games or rock 'n' roll or whatever as the cause of violence are saying it because they're being paid by gun lobbyists to deflect attention away from the actual causes of violence. There's a huge difference there.
@victordamazio for anyone interested why this is and explanations on the why and how of bullying, harassment and social media:
Incredible interview with a great thinker. Definitely worth a watch!
Everyone is a critic and nobody wants to get criticized.
When did people forget to ignore idiots and concentrate on constructive criticism?
Dangerous times ahead.
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They can do this, but they can't erase the ratio of views and likes.
That disparity will always be on show, and the comments section will stay open.
Taking away people's ways to express dissent is dangerous.
@victordamazio what the ***** are you talking about.
Protect ppls feelings awwwwww. Just another way to keep people from seeing reality.
It's probably the right move. It's not easy keeping places nice on the internet.
@victordamazio But people DID grow up. Now Mortal Kombat does have blood. Resident Evil does have decapitations. One Piece and Pokemon are no longer in the hands of 4Kids and Sanji can have his cigarettes and Brock can have his rice balls. Because that stuff isn't actually offensive. These things you're arguing are not equal, no matter how often you say they are.
Nintendo's lawyers got to them too
Im never updating my youtube
No different than here. You can only see likes here. Not really sure why a dislike or like button at this point is even worth having. After all if someone leaves a bunch of likes on a bad thing that is just as skewed as leaving a bunch of dislikes on a good thing. Just leave comments and let mods sort it out (would be nice if human decency was at play but that is asking too much).
are comments not a far worse form to receive harassment? this just makes it harder to gauge how accurate or true some videos are, now we gotta scope the comments to see if theres any misinformation or scams in the video
@victordamazio Toxic politics. Nice.
So much whinging about this. It just the dislike button. It's not censorship. Give it a rest ffs.
Probably in preparation for YouTube Rewind 2021. This is kind of stupid, especially since comments are the main form of harassment on YouTube, but it doesn't really affect me very much so I'm not going to lose sleep over this decision.
@victordamazio I agree , but I am sure political correctness will die soon
@Purgatorium Seriously. I'm not a fan of this move personally, but "censorship"?! Please.
Especially when it comes to tutorials the like/dislike ratio was crucial to see if it is worth watching or not. Thx for taking this away, YT...
Harassment is a thing, but I don't think that a bunch of dislikes on Nintendo's videos counts as such. Nintendo is a corporation, they can handle it.
I would have been highly against this if it wasn't for the social justice warriors and generally idiots who use dislike buttons as a political/religious/fanboy/whatever tool rather than judging the quality of the content. Review bombing is a perfect example of that. It makes sense that it will help to create a more peaceful culture, but it will also be a huge advantage for YouTube since it also helps to prevent people from being discouraged of creating content on the platform
@Berserker7 It won't. You'll die before political correctness does. It's been around longer than you've been alive, and it's not going anywhere.
@Clyde_Radcliffe Couldn't agree more. All this does is remove one more way could consumers can voice their displeasure with a corporation's actions, like letting Nintendo know of people don't feel the Expansion Pack of NSO brings enough value for the asking price. It's pathetic.
@danemord Review bombing is not an exclusively "social justice warrior" thing, not even close. Plenty of groups of conservative babies have review bombed plenty of games/shows/movies for really, really, really dumb reasons.
@Bret I said it was not censorship. Sometimes I mess up typing too fast and accidentally miss a crucial "not" but not this time lol.
@Purgatorium I'm totally agreeing with you, sorry it didn't come across as such! Calling this "censorship" is nuts
@SuperCharr Uhhh, no. Nah. Biden sucks but there's no way he's getting 95% dislikes. The country's pretty evenly split between democrats and republicans right now. Even less likely for Fauci.
@Debo626 it doesn't really. Nintendo can still see it, and people will still press on the dislike button. However, it will make it less likely for people to press the dislike button just to make it LOOK bad for the sake of being edgy since it's not as fun when you can't see the results
@Bret Ah I see that now. All good lol
Even from a practical perspective this is a bad thing as it will make it impossible to filter out trash, spam videos such a guides that don't work. I seriously can't believe there's people defending this. YouTube doesn't give a crap about you.
@Bret You probably missed it, but I already covered those people in the comment
@Bret No I believe political correctness will end very soon , because the today younger generations after millenial's are more conservative and don't want any more censorship
@Berserker7 Well, I can't stop you from believing that hahaha
@danemord ah yes, the "general idiots"
never found the point of a "dislike" button. why share your dislike about something? Obviously we know the people who disliked it because they didn't click the like button. subtract that number from total views. quick maths
People say that leaving dislikes in a video won't make a difference, but guess it did, a lot of people were upset over their videos getting mass disliked and asked YouTube to remove the functionality.
People said that Nintendo and other big companies are not going to care if their trailers are getting mass disliked, but I think they did.
@MarioBrickLayer that would take effort on YT behalf and last thing they want to do is actually do anything
@SoManyHaveDied Not sure if joking, but...
I don't hit the like button on every video I like. I don't hit the dislike button on every video I dislike. And that doesn't factor in people who loved a video and have watched it multiple times. I can't leave a new like every time I watch this video about the music in Pokemon Gold and Silver. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwQjMC7C2Z0
@Bret that's ok , I am sure you will see it in the future
@SuperCharr I would say that it doesn't matter that way. People and companies will still look at the statistics, so your voices is still heard. However, companies couldn't care less about dislikes as long as people still pay (NSO is a great example of that). People don't really realize that a dislike doesn't really matter as long as you pay up. However, it does affect content creators where it's used for cyber bullying, and that's not okay. If you, want to show a company that something's not okay, show them where it actually hurts. It's quite ironic how people barked about how horrible Pkmn sw/sh and NSO were for example, but apparently very few showed it with their wallets
@Bret couldn't be described any better 😂
Suppression of information is by definition censorship.
To some, this may be considered to be inconsequential, but as others above have already pointed out, one cannot help but suspect that there are far more insidious intentions at play here by concealing public sentiment to certain content/ideas, because God forbid that there should be an open exchange of ideas as opposed to merely the "acceptable" ones that the faceless arbiters of "truth" and "morality" have so ordained.
And of course, wading out rubbish videos by taking a gander at the good old like/dislike counter helps a great deal too.
Ah yes, yet another example of protecting the precious feelings of people and companies.
When did everyone get so absolutely thin-skinned?
Most companies don't give a crap how many YouTube dislikes they get as long as their products sell well.
If you're going to get rid of displaying the dislikes, and this goes for NintendoLife, too, which already does that, you should probably get rid of the likes, too. I can understand the problem with getting rid of dislikes but the inverse is horrid spin. EVERYTHING IS AWESOME! Everybody likes everything, but some people are liked more than others. There's a weird coddling, dystopia about showing only the positive, and tracking, but not showing the negative to paint a perfectly false rosy picture around everything. You can know that 2 or 100 people liked something, but never know that 1 or 5000 hated it, because we're all about positivity! And lying through our teeth.
Some of you will like this post. Some of you will thumbs down it. But I'll never know about all of you who which to rate this as a bad comment, I'll only know about the 3 of you that like me, because there's only positivity and no negativity, and I'm awesome, and perfect, and I know it, and the internet tells me so, every day, everywhere.
Killing the negativity is fine. But kill the positivity with it. Just let posts be posts, and stop tracking likes and dislikes. If you want people to anonymously like/dislike things that nobody but the metrics analytics will ever know about, fine. But that doesn't foster clicks and engagement, so instead we'll get a warped view and dystopia everywhere.
@Silly_G And now, all videos are liked! Every video has hundreds to thousands of likes! And no dislikes because they don't exist. Everything is amazing, and we all love all of it, we just like some things more than others!
I think Amazon should follow up and only show the 4 and 5 star reviews. Who needs to know about the 1-3 star reviews on products that fall apart and give second degree burns? So much negativity. We should hear only from the people that unboxed yet yesterday and think it'll last a long time and love the color.
Honestly this isnt a surprise to me and good on them. In this age of "cancel culture" people will downvote videos for ridiculous reasons. Case in point, any video that has to do with Covid or the President is flooooded with downvotes. Mainly from trolls and/or haters and is the information relevant? No not really
good change, long overdue
YouTube is a zombie, it only remains popular thanks to inertia.
This is the problem not only with YouTube, but internet as a whole, it's super easy to have a monopoly on something, even if competitors are better, they will stay with YouTube just because people are used to it for years and because since everyone is already there, it's not worth it trying to go somewhere else and create a new audience.
Even if someday YouTube manages to get a competitor, the most likely outcome is that YouTube is going to screw up hard, lose most of their users to some alternative and it's simply going to die completely while the new video service is going to get another monopoly they can abuse, it's just like what happened when everyone left MySpace to go to Facebook.
Plus, there are reports that YouTube made Google lose a lot of money and they finished many years on the red, they are keeping it alive for other reasons if you know what I mean.
Yes people should not see how disliked they are. That will help I am sure. Poor "content" creators.
Of course! Big money buys and censors their way out of public reaction.
the future's so dim I actually took my shades OFF!
I post what I want. I don't care if people dislike it. Unless YouTube is your career, you got to not care about the numbers.
@Berserker7 They don't want more censorship cause they are already smart enough to know the kinds of things millennials have been railing against are not cool. So more censorship is pointless.
But political correctness will never die. There will always be politically and socially unacceptable things to say that people will get rammed over, often for good reason.
This in turn basically makes the like button redundant for those simply there to watch videos.
I'll often make decisions to whether or not a video is worth watching based on that ratio because I find it a somewhat accurate indicator of that, especially with a new channel I haven't seen or for content I'm not familiar with (such as if I'm looking for how to do a certain task). If I'm only ever going to see the like button, why would I bother with it at all?
1,000 people liked this video? 10,000? 100,000? That means nothing to me without a comparison of how many didn't.
1 million people liked this video showing you how to bake a cake! But what you can't see is that 100 million people disliked it because the instructions in the video will make you violently sick.
As someone that makes videos, the dislikes actually help. I even leave them on for all to see for the same reason I look at them: that way I have a general idea if a video is good or not.
You'd have to look at the white house's yt videos to see why they are really removing dislikes.
Another reason why this is dumb: you can simply choose to have your likes/dislikes shown or not.
It's clear that they don't want choice.
@victordamazio You 100% nailed it on every point. It's especially true for corporations, that seem to be at the forefront of controlling speech.
If you are bothered by someone disliking a video you put up on YouTube, you really need to look at yourself and find ways to toughen that internal callous. Not everybody will like your content, and learning what people dislike can actually HELP YOU TO GUIDE your content in meaningful ways. A dislike button alone is not a form of harassment.
When we hyper-actively protect the weak, they stay in a weakened state. Let them be exposed to the elements a little, it's how the tough got tough to begin with.
But we really know that this is YouTube's way of not protecting the weak, but protecting corporations whenever they make a bad decision and get videos with tons of dislikes. Pathetic.
We are entering an era where we can accurately use the phrase "toxic positivity" or "fake positivity"
A special thank you to all of you who liked my above posts. So glad everyone agrees with me and nobody disagrees. It's wonderful being perfect and beloved. Thank you, internet for bringing my important and universally celebrated opinions to my people.
@BloodNinja "when we hyper-actively protect the weak, they stay in a weakened state."
That explains a LOT about certain groups.
@Zuljaras False or fake sincerity, as well.
@NEStalgia Don't make me love you
Can't help but feel like this has someone do with Rockstar and Nintendo getting ratioed to hell and getting their feelings hurt.
This is just weak. YouTube is becoming more and more sterile and censored everyday
@BloodNinja And also, the excuse of "It's a private company" keeps ending with government doing the same thing companies did, or forcing companies to do it.
Especially the chinese government, whose censorship became a global issue.
@BloodNinja : Get a room you two or else I'll have to marry you both, and by "marry you both" I don't intend to act as a mere officiator either.
@Bizzyb I hear bitchute and/or oddysee is decent.
@Arkay It's a law of nature, in the end. Survival of the fittest and all that. I saw your mention of making content and that you don't mind the dislikes, as it helps you figure out what to make next. It's really important that you are willing to openly see a "negative" criticism of any work you do. That legitimately helps with growth, if it's constructive criticism.
@Silly_G LOL I love your humor. Almost always get a laugh out of your posts when you are joking, keep it up.
@victordamazio What you mention about Chinese government is especially horrific. It makes me worry when the rest of the world will start to adopt their practices, especially the social ranking system. America is way too judgmental and divided socially for such a practice to bear any positive result. I'm not sure how it is in the UK anymore, since I haven't lived there in over 30 years, but I hope it's better.
"we want your engagement, not your opinion".
@NEStalgia I think it's time for you to lie down...going off the rails a bit.
@MegaVel91 All things die sooner or later . Political correctness is just a another temporary trend and like all trends will end
If you want to curb online harassment, target YT comments not the dislikes. What a stupid decision
More like "pretend big corporations don't embarass themselves regularly". YouTube stopped caring about creators a long time ago and those huge dislike to like ratios are usually accrued by video game trailers, movie trailers or those creepy videos about the pandemic being "a great opportunity" for "a great reset" created by people who probably have butt-wiping robots and think everyone has those too.
Talking points about this being about small creators and marginalized groups is cover for corporations who are mad that their bad products get disliked. It's Capitalism 101.
As someone who thinks there should be no comments on 99% of internet content (except when I'm commenting, of course) I have no problem with this.
Youtube taking stupid decisions as usual. Creator contents doesnt give a damn about dislikes, they only care for making money.
It's just a problem for them only because people can publicly call out their actions and decisions.
They can easily delete comments, but not control dislikes. Also, what a weird socciety where disliking big companies videos count as a form of harrassament.
Actually, now that I think about it, this decision will result in MORE toxic comments, not less.
Before if you didn't like a video, most would simply dislike and be on their way while the more passionate people would comment.
Now, if you want to express that you did not like the video, you will HAVE to comment whether you like it or not. And there WILL be more hate. And there WILL be more flame wars and trolls. Look forward to it. 😑
Well YouTube isn't the first website that private the dislike counts, at some earlier point in time we use to see the dislike counts here too.
Even Gen Z Republicans are more likely to sympathise or even agree with typically left leaning ideals.
Gen Z are either as lefty, or more lefty than Millennials, and both gens are way more lefty than any gen before.
If you think that the young gen are very Conservative, then you must only visit right wing echo Chambers.
Western society is headed left. Always has, always will.
@Richnj that's ok , but I don't believe that will continue
@MarioBrickLayer Took the words outta my mouth
There comes a point in time when a society is taken so far backward that it eventually has no choice but to push forward — there is only so much the common man will tolerate, and even the most frothingly indoctrinated among us today have their limits. It's going to be an interesting 21st century.
I’m ok with this. I do think there’s too much of a narrative to the idea of random people massively disliking a video. Often, it really doesn’t matter in the long run and dislikes are often associated to the viewer not being able to relate to the content. Whatever the video is pertaining to should focus on its audience and that starts with who likes your videos and who wants to give criticism. Dislikes as a button is too vague to be considered criticism, so I’m fine with it not being a point of discussion.
@Threebcisum that's ok , you will see in the future
I can just see there being more “disliked” comments in the comments section in future
@Bret Brock's cooking is considered offensive?
@Berserker7 You are stuck in an echo chamber and you need to get out. Youths have never, ever trended conservative. Conservativism is learned.
@Tempestryke It probably wasn't considered "offensive", more that 4Kids changed it up because they assumed American kids wouldn't know what onigiri were. They're probably right, but there's no reason the show can't teach them.
@Bret we agree to disagree . like the James Bond movie "never say never again"
@Bret Oh. Well, 4Kids was always embarrassingly stupid anyway.
May as well just remove the like buttons too. No point in having those up either.
@Tempestryke I think 4Kids being stupid is something everyone here can agree on.
@nessisonett Except content creators can still see the dislikes. Didn't think about that one did you.
@Munchlax Yep if I recall after 5 dislikes posts get hidden, breaks up the flow a little when you look through and see loads of people @ing someone whose post has been downvoted.
@Berserker7 It has to, it's built in to the idealogies of both sides. Progressives and Conservatives. Time moves on, society progresses, and kids try to change society to meet their particular needs. They become progressives. Meanwhile old people try to keep, or conserve, their society. They are Conservatives.
That is the nature of life.
Define creator Harassment.
@MarioBrickLayer Yeap you could tell that not many are happy about this decision just from the dislikes that the dislike hiding video had.
@Jackpaza0508 Yo wait what!? Then What the hell is the point? LOL.
Nintendo really passed the bag to Google.
@Richnj it depends on the change . There are two kinds of changes : 1) change for the better and there is
2) change for the worse .
@Purgatorium Difference between whinging and complaining
@Entrr_username Ahh right, I didn’t see that bit. Bit of a weird one then.
This only takes power away from people and protects big corporations that want you to shut up and buy their crap.
Definitiely done for corporate reasons, aka £££, but also a win for the safe space generation.
@Berserker7 OK, but who chooses what is better and what is worse?. If dismantling Christian and Conservative values and building a society that values and recognises LGBT people is better for young people but worse for old people. Is that a change for better or worse?
@Bizzyb its actually because of all the dislikes to the White House videos. Can't talk bad about our masters
@Richnj I'm a center-right millennial, and yes, my generation and younger are more leaned towards the left, the extreme left that is. But a trend I see is that the older people get, the more likely they will turn more traditional and even conservative, the extreme one too.
I care squat about the political views of others, but the problem is when they start to impose those beliefs and views to other people. It's like these "atheists" who preach they are and wants us to be atheists the same way religious people do. And is the same thing I see with the usual suspects on this site whether a spicy or dating sim game gets announced...
@Berserker7 Funny to think of conservatives, which are, in the US at least, terrified to legalize a plant (cannabis), being against censorship. Apparently no one remembers reefer madness, the drug war, and their hardline stance on adult entertainment. Just saying both sides do it.
@danemord IDK maybe. From my point of view, speaking only for me, I don't dislike a video to be "edgy" (whatever that means today lol). I do it if I dislike the video. In the specific case of the NSO Expansion Pack, I did it to show Nintendo that their offering didn't bring sufficient value. I couldn't care less about racking up some "high score" but only want to hold corporations accountable for poor business decisions.
@Entrr_username OK thanks.
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@Savage_Joe Atheism as a semi-religion confuses me. I’ve certainly had my issues with religion as I am ‘living in sin’ so to speak, but I don’t get why people would take somebody else’s away from them. It’s a very personal thing after all, whether that’s practiced at a church, mosque or as a Satanist or something.
@CartoonDan "This only takes power away from people and protects big corporations that want you to shut up and buy their crap."
Can you imagine if our entire socio-political system was like this? What a disaster that would be lol.
@nessisonett Except they’ll still see it. Or did I misunderstand you?
@BlubberWhale I replied to somebody else saying the same thing! I naturally thought that removing dislikes would y’know.. remove dislikes. Apparently not.
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@BlubberWhale Creators can still see the dislikes, it's just hidden from the public, which defeats the point YouTube set out to make. This just hides what the public thinks from the public itself.
This news and social media in general get a huge WHATEVER and a shrug from me 🤷🏻♀️
If you’re going to play around and post online, there is no avoiding the haters and trolls. Fortunately, you can choose not to engage or give a s**t.
"Youtube takes away users ability to show they do not approve of content"
I guess it's no different to nintendolife deleting comments that do not match up with the "journalists" very narrowly constructed belief system.
@Richnj ask the people living in the eastern block ex Soviet states over in europe..... I think you will find the answer you are looking for.
@Cosmo_Joe yeah, they just did that to me 😂😂😂😂
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@Richnj That's why Gen X was the last kick ass generation.
@Savage_Joe literally every other comment I seem to make that "disagrees" with the way the journalist was trying to frame a story gets deleted for being "unconstructive". I'm literally just trying to look at the story or article from an alternative angle. Its madness!
@Bret No I didn't , it's in another sentence not the same
@Debo626 and that's also okay. Maybe I wasn't clear about what I meant (it's not my first language, so it's not always perfectly written), but I definitely think there are legitimate reasons to dislike something without being "edgy" I believe the bad cases will be less likely without a dislike count visible for the public, since it's not as "fun" when you can't see your results. the good thing is that companies like Nintendo can still see the dislikes, and I'm pretty sure they still want to compare it for statistics
@Savage_Joe but that conservatism is relative to their current state. So what was once a left ideal (like accepting women, minorities, and LGBT people as equals) becomes a standard of conservatism. And what we once considered standard conservatism becomes far right. The overton window still moves left.
@Grail_Quest Gen X also favoured the left more than the right.
@Berserker7 That's a lie, but your failure in the thought experiment is why young people don't like old conservatives.
Dislikes are usually a result or saying something bad, or doing something dumb. In this case Nintendough did the dumb by overpricing a broken halfassed expansion to their utterly horrible online..no reason to hide the downvotes, pretty sure they're busy laughing at people giving them money for not porting 20 year old games well and not being too upset..
Let's please avoid discussing politics or religion, there's better places on the internet for that!
@Richnj what is the lie you are referring to ?
@Berserker7 Something about all religions being equal and equally respected. I can't quote because it was removed.
Either way, this is the end of the discussion. Mods have spoken.
My values/beliefs/religion is objectively right, and all others that contradict it are factually false. For the betterment of society the believers in the false values should be taught about the true ones until they embrace them. Backwards people that don't want to embrace truth will eventually have to be made to, or will have to be removed so their backward, harmful values are eliminated from a better world.
Same old lyrics, different melody. Whetstones 3 for $20.
And freedom of speech takes another hit. They may as well take away the like button whe there at it.
Good. Now people can move on from pretending that YouTube dislikes matter while still buying said game/service in the end anyway.
@NEStalgia What are you even saying? We're talking about Youtube dislikes.
Sad and stupid, but NL named it in the article: the days of the internet as a quirky and mostly friendly place are long gone. Way too many smart-arses, entitled and or arrogant people and attention-wh*res out there nowadays. And lots of content is either unoriginal or commercialised.
Gosh, I sound like an old man sometimes…
I don't care if they make the dislike number private, but make the thumbs up private too then. Stop trying to police opinion.
I can understand wanting to removed the dislike button but I still think it is an incredibly stupid idea to do so.
My biggest concern is those scam or dishonest videos. Without showing the dislike count, far more people are going to fall for them. Sure you can say it is their fault for not looking into it.
When looking up tech videos where I see a 90% dislike and straight away that tells me that this will be a bs video and I shouldn't waste my time with it. Now without that counter my time will be wasted with these type of videos that will either give wrong information or is a total scam.
@Purgatorium It's true though. Regardless, a change like this is just another example of Youtube fixing a problem with the wrong solution. Hiding dislikes from public viewing isn't going to stop anyone. Criticizing a decision so pointless and confusing isn't whining.
@Xiovanni Yes that is true but I am more talking about at a glance. Yes I could scroll down to the comment section to see if these tips do work or not but I feel seeing the dislike count is far more effective in those situations.
People are literally just going to do this in the comments before a negative comment #dislike. They're just going to create more chaos.
@Xiovanni Comments don't help since they can still be controlled by the creator, unlike dislikes.
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@ParadoxFawkes By removing dislikes from public viewing? Your tin foil hat must be too tight.
Bring down this corrupt giant. Just like Facebook.
This one change is effectively one of the last nails in the coffin for any remaining soul the internet had left, which was very very little, and we’re talking about a police-state-propaganda apparatus to boot.
Really sad, dark times ahead. Rip
@Entrr_username Unironically yes, but that reason doesn’t even touch the tip of the iceberg for the real evil agenda at play here.
@HollowSpectre nah, they need that button so they can use bots or their own software to artificially inflate the number lol
@Entrr_username Sure bro. Insist on a difference between whinging and complaining if that helps you.
I'm one of the people that doesn't want this to happen. Yet I can still see the dislikes on videos. Strange.
NintendoLife hides downvotes. It’s dumb in my opinion. But apparently we’re supposed to be positive all the time in order not to potentially hurt others feelings.
@Entrr_username you should really pay attention to what's going on around you, ignorance is not your friend, best of luck bud
@Tecton217 yep, God bless these poor souls
It got Political, Couldn't see that coming.
@Tecton217 couldn't agree more!
@nessisonett Oh sorry, I was at work so I didn’t take the time to read like I should have. But cool, I gotcha
@Tourtus Which is what I said... but cool. Reiterating never hurt nobody.
And now I’m trying to sound folksy, grammar was deliberate. 😛
"Attack YouTube, defend The Pokémon Company"
Nothing opportunistic about that, NintendoLife. Also, the answer your question,
"How do you support 'free speech' but protect people from harassment and bigotry?"
is that you consider not only the feedback of the people upvoting you but also considering the feedback downvoting (and upsetting/"harassing") you. Blocking commenter feedback and then next baselessly and selectively throwing around the emotion-fueled terms of "review bombing, bigotry, toxic, sustained campaigns, etc" right after no one is able to respond to your feedback-hating tantrums, is not going to solve nor decrease the problems your emotion-fueled terms accuse commenters of doing.
@victordamazio Yeah, these people calling everything sexist need to stop with the censorship and shut up.
Don't want precious snowflakes having their feelings hurt.
@Purgatorium I see what you did there.
@Bret based, people generally start leaning right when they realize they’re going to be stuck on this rock for a while, or when they are able to unshackle themselves from the indoctrination.
@Tecton217 Not sure if you meant to reply to me since I don't see your nonsense relating to my comment. Especially since this is one of your first comments on the site. Not sus at all!
@ParadoxFawkes Like I said, your tin foil hat is too tight. I don't need your luck, bud.
@Entrr_username I thought you were correctly implying that what you had suggested to be the truth, my bad.
YouTube spent months crafting this rather than give us a way to block channels.
@danemord Well from my perspective, your English is quite good. I only have English, and maybe some Spanish, so you're doing better than me in the linguistics department. 😂
I definitely see your point. I wish the count weren't hidden from the content creator by default. To me, that just seems like feedback will have to be actively sought out, and giant mega-corporations aren't known for being overly concerned with consumer feedback, definitely not enough to make me feel they'll still see and care about the counts once they're not right in their faces. But I do agree with you and the article that some people take it too far with review bombing and dislike campaigns. IDK, it just feels like a tiny form of activism is being removed for not much good reason, but at the end of the day, there are bigger problems in the world.
This is a bs excuse. They’re using it to hide the publics dissatisfaction with propaganda and political lies. Keeps people the dark that the majority is upset with the agenda or narrative and keep people silent in fear of sharing an unpopular opinion (that’s actually popular) and assembling against the machine
The creators still see the dislikes, its not hidden from them, and those are the ones Youtube is claiming they are protecting from the harassment or negative opinions. Negative comments are still allowed too
YouTube will push disliked videos because it fits their narrative, but nobody will know it’s actually an unpopular video
@theGamerPad Was this account hacked or something?
That we as a society came to this, it is really sad and pathetic but this is the era we live on, so. ..
@SalvorHardin You can block channels by clicking on the three dotted line and then clicking on "Don't Recommend Channel" and you won't see that channel anymore.
@Tourtus that won't work if by some chance, you end up watching a video from that very channel. Then it gets recommended all over the feed again. Same if I literally blocked a channel. But it mostly work
Nintendo doesn't care about the the video dislikes, i seen far to many people mention about the like/dislike ratio on the online expansion like its a big deal, when in reality its a minority of switch users who bother to do it and not all 90 million users bother with youtube at all. Alot of content creators actively request you to like and dislike because it helps them out.
@Berserker7 Political Correctness obviously isn't a trend and didn't appear just recently. You're blowing smoke up your own backside.
I like how they focus on people's feelings, like the useless police.
What about youtube freely allowing certain users to show blurred murder videos and their edgy reactions seemingly enjoying it? See, this is what's wrong with the world today, pathetic little things are the priority.
Sort out the real problems, all of this control over petty little things is getting way beyond the joke now, this is why comedians like Ricky Gervais and John Cleese are taking notice.
tbh yes they should also just go ahead and make likes private as well
About ten years too late with this update.
Noone ever gained anything from the dislikes.
It was just a cue for stupid jokes in the comments.
@MegaVel91 we agree to dissagre . Political correctness is a trend and will die soon
"Taking away the visible count is an attempt to avoid aggressive and potentially harmful campaigns making use of the metric."
Wow. Just lapping up the big nice corporation's sweet talk, huh?
Dislikes will still exist, they just won't be visible to the public. Meaning that thin-skinned creators will still get the same amount of 'hate', especially because comments are still a thing - so that's irrelevant.
Anyone with a couple functioning brain cells realizes this is a move to protect companies, which are the ones whose terrible products keep getting disliked en masse, and the ones that actually care about having an 'image' to maintain. The option to manually hide or even disable dislikes is already there - just ask yourself why they want to skip the step where "users" need to do it themselves.
This update is also awful for small channels, by the way. The two main ways for people to give a chance to videos from unknown channels are a high viewcount and a high like ratio. Small channels will never be able to compete with bigger ones on the former, so they rely on the latter to draw people in. That'll be gone now and along with it their main avenue of growth. Look up "social proof" in marketing and you'll realize this change does nothing but screw over the startlings.
This is all political gaslighting. Like when they corporate oligarchs want to push some agenda or narrative as popular, when in fact it is not. They want to hide the real voice of the people.
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@Mortenb This feels like its more about protecting corporations than politicians. Though there's hardly a difference lately ("lately" meaning since 2000 or so).
I was about to say the same thing, but you put it much better than I would have. It's both funny and sad that most people think the move is to protect the feelings of gaming channels and such.
@Berserker7 Political correctness has been around for fifty years and civil rights for way longer. Stop embarrassing yourself.
@Mortenb Youtube is not manipulating dislike counts. Why would youtube give a damn if a video about Biden is downvoted? More importantly, why the hell would Biden care? The democrats are going to upvote, and the republicans are going to downvote. If anyone was going to get all pissed off about youtube dislikes and use political power to strongarm them out of existence, it would have been the narcissist who came before Biden.
People. Listen to yourselves. If youtube was trying to "censor" you or "hide your voice" or whatever you think is actually going on here, they wouldn't let you upload videos of you ranting in your truck about how Biden is pushing the vaccine to he can track you with 5G or whatever the popular conspiracy theory is right now. You can basically put anything you want on youtube as long as it isn't gore or porn. You're not being censored because they took your little thumb icon away.
Most likely, this is happening to protect corporations from having their products look bad. Because ads are how youtube makes money. Whether or not political figures appear favorable has nothing to do with how much money youtube is making. Whether or not products appear favorable has a lot to do with how much money youtube is making.
@Bret No political correctness is just the last 15 years and it will die soon .
@Berserker7 It started in the 70s, man. This isn't an opinion, or something that can be argued. It's been around that long.
@Bret No it didn't . If politically correctness in the 70 's was there . there would be no TV shows like Married with children , or freedom of expression , Political correctness is just another form of censorship and it will end soon .
@Berserker7 Quick google...
There's been a ton written about it. Get your fingers out of your ears for a second.
@Bret we agree to disagree . it's your opinion .
Believe anything you want .
@Berserker7 Man, am I tired of reading your disingenuous arguments. I'm obviously not going to convince you of anything if you can't accept literal fact staring you in the face. Whatever. I'm done.
@Bret That's ok we agree to dissagree
@Bret It can be both, you know.
@Brady1138 I've made a lot of comments here and NL's comment system doesn't bother letting people know which comment a reply is in reference to. Gonna need a bit more to go on.
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Protect creators from criticism- there I fixed it
@Mortenb If true this is weird and gross. I have a tough time believing it though as that site has very obvious bias from a quick glance at the comments from the author.
@Mortenb I mean, you're free to believe what you want. There are other countries besides the US, and other presidents and heads-of-state besides Biden, so I don't personally believe it's politically motivated specifically or exclusively. I believe it's more to protect big corporations like Nintendo and Apple, among others (like Hollywood studios) from honest feedback and criticism. Trump was no fan of negative feedback either and melted like a snowflake every time someone asked him an uncomfortable question so I just can't believe that it's American politics specifically that's the ultimate motivation for this.
Again, believe what you want.
@SoManyHaveDied This would only work if the views count were a viewer count.
@westman98 And NSO+ will sell less if people out of the loop can see the dislikes on its video.
The number of people who base their purchasing decisions on YouTube likes/dislikes is negligible.
@Berserker7 "Political correctness" is a conservative term for things that people don't like them to say.
So which one is it? Is it going to die out, or will people suddenly en masse long for the good old days, where you could dump on minorities and they'd keep their mouths shut?
@westman98 Good point, but I'm not sure if corporate marketing think that too.
I'm sure corporate marketing have the numbers to back up what I just said.
Social media metrics as a whole (i.e view counts + engagement levels across all media platforms) is a better indicator of a product's public sentiment than just YouTube dislikes alone, but even that isn't a foolproof method.
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@PtM That's ok . we agree to disagree
@Mortenb Possible. That is usually the way of things. Either way, I'm sure it all comes down to the classic combo: power, and money. 🤷♂🤦♂
@Mortenb Hey bud, this is a site dedicated to Nintendo news and the like. Go away.
Don't know what I said that was so bad. I only provided some links to corroborate my claims. Are we only allowed to link to facts supporting popular opinions? Fine if a topic is not allowed, bit when it is allowed as it is here, then how can one with a straight face remove only one sides links and arguments.
I think removing the dislike total from public view was the wrong decision, they should keep the dislike total viewable but make it so you can view who disliked it so that it means more and will keep people from downvoting without meaning it
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