My name is Thomas Whitehead, and I am a Nintendo Switch Online Expansion Pack subscriber.
This is the point where you all smile and say "hello Thomas, you're with friends here". Because a lot of us are in this room, nervously clutching a cup of stale coffee, aware that out in the world there's judgement and downvotes galore. We're not supposed to have paid for the Expansion Pack and, good grief, we're not supposed to enjoy it.
But, actually, in my case the Expansion Pack is ludicrously good value. However, I do share agreement with some of the sentiment around what Nintendo's got wrong with the service, even if they don't necessarily impact me. The Nintendo 64 emulation / implementation simply isn't up to a good enough standard in a few cases; I'm not personally overly bothered about fog effects (though understand why some are), but the absence of easy in-app button mapping is a poor choice. The N64 controller is weird, and though nostalgia made me buy the Switch version of the iconic controller and therefore actually enjoy the N64 games, they're not all optimal (or particularly playable in one case) with a Pro Controller or two Jon-Con controllers.
And I do agree that, in the current market, the value proposition for a single-user is questionable with the launch batch of N64 and SEGA Genesis / Mega Drive games alone. When it comes to those libraries Nintendo is probably guilty of not reading the room - a room in which the likes of Epic Games through its PC store and Microsoft through Game Pass have transformed the value associated with games. I also dislike the fact it's 12 months or nothing, and that 12 months is added to your current term for NSO as well. That was an unnecessary move, even if I can see the incentive was to commit people to the service. Ultimately, it's not a consumer friendly approach.
In any case, this week the Expansion will feel like brilliant value to me, and it may start to feel that way for a number of people. I'm talking, of course, about the addition of the Animal Crossing: New Horizons - Happy Home Paradise DLC expansion. In fact, Nintendo probably made a strategic error releasing the expansion when it did in late October; if it had held off and launched it all together this week, with that DLC included, the reception may have been a little different. Though, admittedly, the announcement trailer got downvoted to oblivion before any of it was released, so maybe the difference would have been minimal.
The original (NSO) membership came to £8 each for a year of cloud saves and some retro games, which was absolutely fine.
Back to Animal Crossing, the standalone DLC will cost $25USD, and in my case both myself and my family will actually be saving a notable amount of money by getting it through the NSO expansion. From day one of NSO I've been the 'administrator' of a family membership for my immediate family, all of whom have their own Switch. That's my parents, one Switch each, and my older brother. Even with the original membership that came to £8 each for a year of cloud saves and some retro games, which was absolutely fine.
Due to my 'upgrade' window the Expansion Pack and the extra NSO time cost me about £33, so another £8-9 each. Now, back in the day and with his first ever pay cheque as a very young man my brother went out and bought a Nintendo 64 with Star Fox 64, or Lylat Wars as it was to us. To say we have nostalgia for the system would be an understatement, which prompted me to order us both that Switch N64 controller. For both of us that makes the new content enticing. Oh, and I was a Mega Drive kid, the N64 was our first Nintendo console. So you can see why I was perfectly happy with the new apps (and the prospect of additional games to come in the future).
Which brings me to my mother and I. We both play Animal Crossing every single day; in my case I may just check none of my islanders are sick and get a turnip price update. My mum's island is far fancier than my own 'Llareggyb' and I'd bet money her hours in the game will be around double mine. But the point is we're both daily players, both get joy in talking to our quirky game buddies, and frequently fly to each other's islands to make lucrative turnip profits. I still watch K.K. Slider every Saturday evening, it'd feel wrong to have him sing to himself.
The free updates will be great in themselves, but the Happy Home Paradise expansion looks terrific. In reality it's more catered to my mum's genuine strengths and enthusiasm as a designer, but I'm also looking forward to jumping head first into its overload of charm. And the first thing I said to her when it was announced? "Ooh, don't pre-order it, we can both get it with the Expansion Pack".
Instead of spending £22.49 each, it'll just be there courtesy of the Expansion Pack. Sure, we won't own it but I for one will probably get my fill in the coming months, and will cross the bridge of whether to renew the full NSO package a year from now. And what does my Dad get out of this? Well for one thing whatever he wants out of the retro games, and he gets to see us grinning like crazy people as we play more Animal Crossing. As a result combining the family membership with the Expansion Pack is downright perfect for my particular group.
While there's some justified grumbling and disappointment with Nintendo Switch Online + Expansion Pack, just try to keep in mind that some of us do actually like it. Controversial, I know. As for Nintendo, it'll probably be bemoaning the decisions to a) phone in its N64 emulation and b) release the pack a week before the Animal Crossing DLC. Without those errors, perhaps the current online chatter would have a slightly different tone.
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But if you love Animal Crossing it makes much more sense to just buy the expansion. Even if you’re not playing much, when it expires you’ll be having stuff “taken back” and one day it will be a nuisance.
Well, IF they start adding content like this to the expansion maybe it will be worth it for most, but let's not hold our collective breaths, not like nintendo is actually trying to compete with PS Plus or Xbox Live Gold.
NSO in general is a good value only if you take advantage of the family membership.
Yea....no. Seems best to just buy the expansion and just keep my normal NSO family subscription.
As an individual subscriber, I'm asked to pay an additional 25€ to renew my subscription ending September 2022. And I was going to do it, but didn't like the way Nintendo is like "buying my remaining subscription period and reselling me at a higher price"?
I'll take the AC DLC and go on. I'm not too interested in retrogaming anyway, the NSO has been a Tetris 99 pass for me, basically.
I think that’s a big thing a good amount of people have missed, the value of the family plan. I have two almost maxed out family plans(one for me and my fam, one for the wife and her family) ALL of them play Animal Crossing pretty often, so instead of paying for each dlc ($325) I got with everyone and decided two expansions packs were worth it($140 and some change due to discounts)
That’s the value. I still feel though…. A single person unless they love N64/Sega should probably skip this until they add more value
"As for Nintendo, it'll probably be bemoaning the decisions to a) phone in its N64 emulation and b) release the pack a week before the Animal Crossing DLC. Without those errors, perhaps the current online chatter would have a slightly different tone."
I can't speak for others, but my reaction would certainly not be any different. If it is a good deal for you, then good, Nintendo have done the job. People might be annoyed you are supporting it, but I doubt anyone is going to hate you for it.
Strong disagree but y'all do you lol
If you aren't interested in the N64 and Sega stuff (which my wife and I are not), then the expansion can be pre-ordered from CDKeys for a mere £16.29 !
*If you love Animal Crossing New Horizons and have a family that also loves and continually plays Animal Crossing New Horizons.
I don’t love Animal Crossing Horizons though. I don’t even have New Horizons so I can’t even play this game with the subscription. I probably would have picked it up if the DLC could be played standalone like Happy Home Designer, especially since I have alot of love for HHD. So ultimately it really comes down to the dozen N64 and Genesis games I’ve yet to purchase.
@FightMikes It won't take very long to have paid more than $325 with two family plans, and then all of you will either no longer have access to the DLC or you'll keep paying, eventually doubling what it would have cost to just purchase, until everyone agrees they're completely done with Animal Crossing. I don't know if it's as tantalizing as you make it seem.
Picking up a white chip and it has the Nintendo Seal of Quality on it
It’s worth it for me personally but I do see why people are annoyed. So I’ll pay for it and other people won’t. That’s kinda how it works.
In no way can I see the subscription worth it when it's a continuin payment for something that an Animal Crossing fan could just buy outright and have without the need to continue paying for it.
@nessisonett That's my mindset as well
It really does depend on your situation. The addition of the N64 and Genesis games, especially with the poor emulation of the former, is a downer when it comes to the value proposition of the service.
I'm in a similar boat to Thomas, in that as part of a family plan for six people, that pans out to just over $13 a year per person. Potentially less if I find a couple friends to add to the plan. And with all six of the current members ACNH players, it truly does equate to a lower price point than individual purchases.
It’s a good enough value without the DLC as you get access to genesis an N64 games for a few bucks a month. Cheaper than renting in the 90s or VC prices. Plus I get access to games that I may not have tried otherwise. The DLC is just added frosting.
Thanks-I agree Thomas. And there 10s of us there that do.
It's a better deal for me to purchase HHP and have it permanently. I don't want something so important to me tied to a super pricey subscription service.
They should have just called it "The Animal Crossing Pack for NSO Family Memberships" then.
@SpaceboyScreams They'll still have access to all the unlocks, just won't be able to visit the archipelago any longer, but your right in year two it doubles and becomes nearly the same.
@SpaceboyScreams that’s very true, we discussed that too, I doubt more than half of my group plays AC in a year as is😂 but you never know. I’m optimistic though, with the backlash Nintendo got for its pricing, hopefully it translates to them beefing up the pass even more. If anyone remembers Xbox Game Pass at the start, it was awful and almost not worth the money. Years later? I think that’s changed
@Browny As long as every single member agrees to quit Animal Crossing after one year. As soon as year 2 rolls around you'll all have broken even, and you still won't OWN the DLC, and every year after that will be a loss compared to buying it outright from the start. I know my girlfriend and my mom and my sister who are all on my base plan will be playing this game for years to come even if I know I'll probably be over it after another year or two, I couldn't just rip this huge DLC from them once it starts to feel too pricy.
As a family plan subscriber, I guess I vould see the value of multiple people having access to the dlc. As an individual subscriber such as myself, I don’t see the value of paying an extra $30 a year every year I want to have access to the dlc rather than a one time payment of $25. Furthermore, if I do buy the dlc but decide to subscribe to the expansion pack later on, I am essentially paying for something I already own.
And this is why you should be able to buy it without the AC content as it is useless to me. Will never play AC.
When they finally get the emulation right I might re-subscribe, but only if Banjo Kazooie is up to scratch. Which i really doubt if the videos I've seen of OoT are true
the value proposition is unacceptable to me, not only due to the poorly small library and lack of button mapping, but also the fact that Nintendo wants more money for a service that they have not improved in the slightest.
Cloud saves still don't universally work (unlike on PS+/XBL Gold). Still no trophies/achievements (unlike on PS+/XBL Gold). Online multiplayer is still a miserable, laggy experience (unlike on PS+/XBL Gold). Voice chat is still MIA (unlike on PS+/XBL Gold). There are no discounts given in the store for subscribers (unlike on PS+/XBL Gold). Still no matchmaking with friends in most games (unlike on PS+/XBL Gold). And this list can go on and on and on.
Nintendo deserves $0 for offering no online experience of value. They're lazy as all hell and they get a pass. PS and Xbox wouldn't get away with offering the same crap for the same price.
@FightMikes It's like this was all almost a good idea but they just had to make it a little too confusing and complicated. I'll check back in after a year to see if the value is closer to realistic for the asking price, for now if I'm not absolutely excited by the idea then it doesn't get my money.
@BlueMonk but it won't expire if you never unsubscribe
@Johnnel exactly what I am doing…maybe I will get the upgraded plan later if they add more. I have a massive backlog anyway. But I figure $25 will add at least a hundred hours in a year.
I also have a family plan, so I am one of those saving quite a bit with the subscription. I see the expansion pack as an overpriced “premium” product that best benefits families with multiple Switches. If you’re only looking at the N64 part, it’s a terrible buy, and I get the frustration.
I’m only confused by the people who focus so heavily on the fact that the Animal Crossing DLC is “taken away” if your subscription runs out. Every subscription service removes certain benefits when you no longer buy the subscription. Yes, you shouldn’t buy this expansion pass if you’re only interested in Animal Crossing. However, it’s otherwise a nice addition to the subscription. It’s a “rental” per se, and if you’re like me who will always have the subscription, it’s good value. If you’re getting the expansion pack for only a month, then it isn’t good value.
so…if NSO expires, you lose AC progress?
anyhow, the AC DLC is not for me. I own the game but personally it lost it’s charm within the first two months that I purchased. I doubt the DLC will make me return to my island
Throw in Octo Expansion then it will be solid. Sorry its not for me but I know some others will be very happy with the N64 games.
Wouldn't it be nice if there where options so that this expansion would both be a good deal for both families who love AC and individuals who don't? Lack of options is what I don't get. Wanna play N64 games? You gotta get a 12-months pack that also comes with a DLC you might not care about... ugh.
@BlueMonk Nintendo has already clarified you just lose access to the archipelago islands and the request to design a vacation home. You keep the features and items that come along with it.
Edit: I also point out maybe the ability to have the DLC as a rental is okay for some who try it out and find out they don't necessarily care for that mode, but still want the items and features associated with it. At the very least, you aren't saddled with content you don't plan on partaking in after getting what you want
@SpaceboyScreams
Well, the tricky part is that as a family, we still need to pay for the online service, which is $6 a year per person. So in actuality, the additional cost for the expansion would only be $7 a year. After 4 years, we are paying more than we need to.
But this is still not taking into account the value of the N64 and Genesis titles, or anything added to the service down the line.
It's not an easy thing to break down monetarily, and truly is up to the individual whether it's worth the investment or not. For a few of us, a single year of the HHP content will be more than enough. For a few others, they may get two, even three years out of the game. But since I know I will want to play the classic games more than ACNH, the value remains, if only for myself. And being the family admin, what I want goes, and the price difference yearly is still negligible that the rest of the family won't argue the tier of membership.
they defos jacked up the price of the dlc to make the expansion pass more seem more justifiable, classic manipulation tactics
No, it’s awful value, hear me out.
You’re being sold nothing. You exchange money for a service, in this case, and the service is made of thin air. You think you’re getting something, because a small part of your video game is changing, but when you look back on this in ten years you will chalk it up as more money wasted with a corporation that doesn’t care about your individual needs.
@SpaceboyScreams classic case of Nintendo trying to be Nintendo and over complicate something simple, then falling flat on there face.
Should’ve been closer to the Xbox/PS model. $40/year or something, you get classic Nintendo games, some discounts, Sega games, and dlc for these games at no extra cost(AC, Smash FP1, Splatoon, Arms) and have it separate from NSO completely
Family subscription is great value even if you don’t play animal crossing.
I got the single plan. I've paid for a year, of course, and at the end of that time I will re-evaluate and see if Nintendo comes thru with enough N 64 games that I want to play and if the emulation improves. If so, I'll subscribe again. If not, I'll drop it and buy the AC dlc.
Nintendo is always going to do what they want. Many of their decisions seem to make no sense. There are threads on NL telling people that buying this is making it so Ninty won't change their ways. I've got news for them: I've been playing their games since the NES days and nothing we do or don't do will make a difference. Nothing. Right or wrong Ninty is going to keep being Ninty. It's not my job to take a stand on something I don't agree with.
We're being told we're stupid, fools and worse for deciding how to spend our money. I'm a little old widow woman. Money is not to be squandered, but in western NY the winters are long and dark. I'm satisfied with my purchase which is the only thing that should matter, to me or anyone else.
In today's world there are lots of mountains to die on. This ain't one of them.
It's poor value however you slice it.
Why would you pay £20 per year for something you can pay £22 for once?
Nintendo Life charm offensive methinks.
This is one those times when "editorial" is synonymous with "advertisement".
Yeah, I don't know. What's the difference between the cost of splitting the rent on this for one year and buying the DLC outright? If it comes down to just a few [units of local currency] then is there really much value in that?
It seems like this is more of a bet than actual money saving. You're betting that next year, you'll still want the NSO expansion, that something more will be added (maybe another AC DLC!), so you can pay again and not feel like you lost the DLC you should have bought outright the first time.
In the sense that you could just buy it instead? With Switch online you'll have to pay again next year and the one after and again. Yeah sure in one specific scenario you can make it arguably worthwhile, I'm not sure how many others could
Or you can simply purchase the ACNH DLC outright for half the price of said expansion pack and actually get to keep it and access to it "forever" instead of for a single year along with a bunch of poorly emulated N64 games and Genesis games you'd also already have permanently on any given platform. Articles like this can try all day to spin this fiasco by Nintendo, but the bottom line reminds me of a rather crude but applicable saying: "You can't polish a t--d".
I agree with the sentiment of this to an extent. I've got a family plan for myself and two teenagers, both of whom play Animal Crossing. As such, was happy to get the extension for now. I was annoyed though that the only option was a new 12 months. When I read you could upgrade your current membership and receive a discount I read that as being for the length of your current membership - not that you'd have to start again. I had 5 months left on my family membership but still had to pay £48 through Nintendo (couldn't see anywhere else selling it yet) for a new 12 months. Felt a bit annoyed, but the kids will be all over the Animal Crossing DLC and I've never played Majora's Mask. Not sure what I'll do next year - see what happens. I love Nintendo and probably am a fanboy - this still feels a bit rubbish though and in the case of the N64 emulation, even a bit amateurish.
This is where you guys, the (gaming) media, could really hold a company (Nintendo) accountable, but you don't. Instead, you just carry water for them.
THE EXPANSION PASS IS 💩, AND YOU KNOW IT, Tom. 😡
@BlueMonk If I understand correctly, you won’t have anything you gained on your island “taken back”. You will lose access to the design islands, but you will keep everything you already have.
I'm just so glad that this can of worms got opened for the third time this week.
I swear I was saying this exact same thing!
@SirKif And presumably if you buy the DLC you get everything back?
It is a simple calculation i guess, for me.. my family has three switches (at my ex's at my borther's and mine), buying the expansion thrice would be more expansive, so for this first year it is a simple choice.. for me the more interesting question will be next year.. will we still be playing the expansion much? will there be enough content added ?
( i still have my n64, so although nice to play some mario tennis, I have more ways... let alone Megadrive games (i even bought the segamegadriveclassics switch game for 10 in a sale or so, next to emulation and my own megadrive)
Nintendo is a company, and has shareholders... thus make a simple calculation too, based on profits..(margin x users) so should we: is the offer worth the extra money for me... ... don't be mad, that is just like it is...speculating about some dream expansion pack can be fun, but feeling cheated isn't really useful use of energy
I actually like the pack. Sure, I'm waiting until Banjo and hopefully Wave Racer to come out, but for the price I pay to try some games, $30 more seems reasonable. As someone who never owned original hardware, I like the idea of trying new games and even some weird gems. Solomon's Key is one of my favorites in the NES pack, but I would never have given it the time of day otherwise.
It's just such a Nintendo move to bundle a game with the service that many people don't care about. I can imagine a couple of old suits sitting in an office saying "throw in animals crossing. Everyone loves animals crossing."
@idork99 I don’t think u lose progress, you just won’t have access to it until you resubscribe… I am not sure how they will handle this, but cloud saves are good for six months without a sub. Once u resubscribe, u have access, if I understand correctly…
I can definitely see the value in the Expansion Pack... if you're in a family plan and at least two of the people in said family plan love Animal Crossing: New Horizons.
I'm not in a family plan, and I don't like New Horizons enough to even be sure I want the DLC, so for me it's just $30 extra for Mega Drive/Genesis games (most of which I've already bought as a bundle in a Steam sale for like $15 at most), a not-ideal version of N64 games, and DLC that I may or may not play for more than half an hour.
If your justification for why the service is a good value is that you have to have multiple family members under an account who all happen to want the $25 DLC to the same game, and thus a $45 expense per-year is now justified assuming that whole group doesn't want to play that DLC for more than 2 years, the service is, in fact, not a good value.
I mean a superyacht can be a "good value" if you plan on using it to charge $20 fares to transport people across a canal for 8 years..... that doesn't mean it's actually a good value for most people as a product.
There's a difference between "it's not expensive" and "it's a good value." It's almost $50 a year to get access to 25+ year old video games emulated poorly that you probably already own on more than one system for half the price already and a DLC for a game you may not want for a game you may not own. $45 may not be "expensive" but what you get for $45 isn't worth that under any calculation except splitting the DLC 4+ ways for a single year only.
I have this old 486 PC sitting here......I'll gladly sell it to you for $45 a year..... It's a great value. People payed over a thousand for that back in 1994!
I cant help but see the Expansion Pack as an incomplete picture. $25 a year for this piece of AC DLC does not make sense at all, unless they plan to include more DLC even from other games. A Nintendo-wide DLC Pass is potential unexplored territory and something the game industry hasnt seen yet. Ive seen complaints about PS Plus games (yes even on PushSquare) and Game Pass titles having poor selections of monthly titles and are timed to go away and they get frustrated to the point where they want to choose a game elsewhere. But with this concept of a Nintendo DLC Pass in the Expansion Pack, you still get to choose where you get your games and pay a lower rate for DLC. Paying a flat rate of $25 a year for DLC in this manner is more enticing, because how much have we been paying for DLC these past several years? And even if its not worthy to you now, the selection would build up later so you can hold your $25 a year for later if you choose. As for the emulations, $5 a year is $5 a year. It couldve been worse than it already it is.
The value definition is going to be different for different people. For me, it's not a great value...yet. I don't have Animal Crossing, and I still have the Wii U hooked up with the N64 games I want to play, and I have the Sega Collection on Switch (not perfect, but good enough). If more is added to the expansion pack, I'll upgrade. For now though, the base account is just fine, especially at that price.
I miss Mario 35.
The most frustrating thing about this to me is that, well to begin at the beginning, when Nintendo's paid online first launched, many people grumbled about the lack of features as compared to their rivals ie standard of monthly games, paywalling cloud saves, no integrated voice chat, messaging or a friend list that functions or can be created with the same ease as on rival platforms. While there was no shortage of people ready to defend Nintendo on the basis of their lower price point, there were many others happy to suggest that people should pay even if they weren't happy with the service, because Nintendo would take the money that they made from it and plow it back into improving the service. To be fair, it wasn't actually Nintendo saying this, but it seemed a reasonable assumption at the time, but one that turned out to be overly optimistic.
While I have previously had an xbox live gold subscription, and currently have ps plus, I have never cared for or downloaded any of the "free" monthly games. I just pay for online gaming because it's a paywall, this is where many that prefer physical games are. If there's a subscription for online and you don't want the games that are on offer, then what you're paying for are the social features and servers and Nintendo isn't providing any of that. We get nothing but another fee to pay.
To me, this is just like those situations when a publisher has launched a game in broken condition, and instead of patching it, the first thing they push out is paid dlc. They get backlash and they deserve it. This "expansion pass" has reinforced the idea that, rather than having an intention to improve their online service over time, they consider what they are offering for the base subscription to be just fine and they have no plans to improve their system at all. There is already a template for them to copy, they just need to copy it. All they need to do is imitate what Microsoft and Sony have done, they've already laid the groundwork for what a functioning online offering should be.
Will the Switch fail? No. Can it fail? No ... but there may well be a reckoning for them again come the next generation, with the reputation they're making for themselves with this one.
@N1ntendodo This is Nintendo. They have never, ever offered value, anywhere, that wasn't necessitated by disastrous sales, or initial product offering, and even then, they rarely do. They're not going to just start offering a system wide DLC pass if they didn't announce a system-wide DLC pass. Not unless the current pass is such a dismal sales failure they have to pull it out of the fire. They may add some other DLC to some other big game (BotW2 etc) if sales are slumping heavily on the service, otherwise, you might see AC HH as the only DLC ever on the service, forever. That would be classic Nintendo.
They could have taken the existing NSO and added GB. Or GBA. Or N64. They could have added Virtual Boy to 3DS. They could have added lots of value. But they didn't. Because they're Nintendo, and they didn't need to. They finally did add N64. They bundled it with a single game DLC, and the almost 30 year old Genesis and charged more than double the price for the access.
At which point Thomas, here, went insane and had a bizarre public fever dream about how it's not such a bad value, after all.
People complain about PS Plus and XBLG because the monthly games are often terrible (but not THIS terrible.) But the service is offering a lot more than just the games in terms of online features, sales, discounts, etc. Nobody really complains about Game Pass except PS die-hards....what's there to complain about? It's $180 a year for full online service, free games, rental games, access to all first party games on launch day, sales and discounts, plus robust online. NSO+ is $80 a year for low quality online service, and access to some games from 1983-1999, plus one games' DLC?
Imagine if Super NSO + gave you unlimited access to all Nintendo published games, on launch day for $180? That would be the Game Pass comparison. Metroid Dread? Warioware? SMTV? Bayo 3? BotW1, 2, Sushi Striker, Odyssey, FE3H, Pikmin deluxe, etc....all included for $180. Maybe not a fair comparison since Nintendo has more first party titles at the moment...but those titles also aren't as massivley expensive to make as FH5, Halo Infinite, and Starfield.
PS Now sits between. It's very cheap, almost the same price as NSO+. It doesn't give you day and date first party releases like Game Pass. But it gives you lots of newish third party games, classics much newer than N64, and lots of recent 1st party games (imagine all WiiU games included in NSO+.)
In terms of dollar price, NSO+ is cheaper than the other services. In terms of value, it's not even playing in the same ballpark. NSO+ is a sandlot, PS+&Now are a major league field, and Game Pass Ultimate is an Olympic Stadium. And NSO+ want's to charge 50% the rent of that stadium for access to their sandlot. And Thomas thinks it's a great value as long as you like sand.
No. (Adding this to increase lenght of the message)
As someone with a family plan and 6 of those people owning Animal Crossing this is a good deal. And the fact that you are renting the DLC isn't a big deal. You get to keep all of your stuff when the subscription ends. You just don't get to go to the work island anymore. I'm quite sure I will have moved on in a year or two's time anyway on that. I think we all agree that Nintendo could do better with this expansion pack, and I hope they do. They do deserve some criticism. However I think some people are just on a vendetta to ruin it for everyone else. Just because Nintendo is probably overcharging on this subscription by about $10 a year. I mean that is the worst thing that has ever happened to anyone. Also I subscribe to many other game services (gamepass ultimate, PS Plus, PS Now, Play Pass, and Geforce Now). I don't think this is the best deal in gaming or anything but overcharging $10 a year (maybe you could argue $15) is hardly a big deal.
@N1ntendodo But that's a big "if." I've seen lot of people try to come up with ways that Nintendo will add stuff later on to make the Expansion Pack worth it, but it's all just speculation, and even if that does happen, that still wouldn't make the Expansion Pack worth it at the moment because it would all be stuff coming later.
Maybe the Expansion Pack will also add DLC for Mario Party and Splatoon 3 and other first-party titles eventually, maybe they'll add other systems. But that's a maybe, and an eventually. Right now, they're charging $30 extra for ACNH DLC, nine N64 games and fourteen Genesis games.
I just don’t understand the arguments about the Animal Crossing DLC making the expansion pass worth it. This article even acknowledges you won’t “own” the DLC, which to me is the whole point. I’d much rather buy the DLC outright than basically rent it for a year. Especially since the current selection of N64 and Genesis games doesn’t really motivate me.
I mean, I guess it’s a nice feature to let people access the DLC for a time, but with something like Animal Crossing, I know I’ll go back to it time and time again. Heck, I still pull out my Happy Home 3DS game for a quick gaming session every now and then. So being able to play it for a year doesn’t sell me on it. If anything, it makes the Expansion have less value for me because, in all likelihood, I’m going to buy the DLC to have it indefinitely.
I suppose, at the end of the day, it comes down to how much you want the DLC and how likely you are to play said DLC a year or two from now.
@StardustWhip This! I’m not against buying the Expansion IF they add more to it. But I’m not about to buy it at the asking price on the hope it gets better. Especially because, beyond a few N64 games, Nintendo hasn’t announced any other upcoming features.
They should have consolidated Pokémon Home with the expansion pass (and had existing subscribers automatically upgrade to the NSO expansion pack if they had an NSO membership already).
Nintendo’s so-called online “services” are looking horribly expensive if you’re paying for NSO + Expansion + Pokémon Home, the latter being the biggest rip-off of them all.
@StardustWhip exactly, right now, its on rocky terrain, but the situation seems to be still steerable, whether its by Nintendo or by us gamers.
@nevillebamshew “It’s poor value however you slice it”
I’m not sure if I agree with this, based on how many different ways there are of ‘slicing it’. For a single user in individual membership, it’s £35 for the year, every year. That’s £12.50 more that it would cost to buy the pack outright and own it forever. Arguably not a great deal.
However, with 8 players on a family pack, that price falls to a mere £7.50 per year, which is like… the sort of price I imagine many Londoners spend on lunch. If each member were to purchase the Animal Crossing pack individually, it’d come to £180 for everyone. Looked at that way, it doesn’t seem like a bad deal at all, especially if you enjoy retro games.
So yeah, depending on how you slice, it’d argue it could range from ‘quite a bad deal’ to ‘quite a good deal’ and anywhere in between.
"If we buy the product now, maybe they'll make it worth the money when we buy another one next year."
Is this where we really are as a consumer base?
It’s not great value. You are far better off paying the twenty bucks or whatever it is one off than having to keep paying the 35 bucks for some 9 broken roms and your DLC….
Has everyone missed the fact that you lose access to the DLC of your do now renew your Expansion Pass subscription? It's in the fine print. That means you are better off buying the DLC outright unless you have a family plan and multiple people on it play AC and that becomes a moot point after a few years.
I see this as no different than buying an unfinished game at launch. This "editorial" is just justifying it or telling us to pay now and wait, which I won't do.
We consumers should demand better! We shouldn't have to wait for later to get our money's worth.
Family Plan (does not equal) NSO+ being a good value proposition.
I for one bought a family plan not to save on some large family of switch fans but as I needed another account (Nintendo to blamed for that) to be able to download and play online games in the Japanese region (anyone said "Region lock" is a bygone?). I am paying from a single salary for two accounts...
Now - my only option to get an NSO+ account is to upgrade the non plus family plan to plus family plan, for a very hefty price.
So yes - I do like Animal Crossing and would probably enjoy the new paid DLC. But where is the great value proposition on the new NSO+? You are right - there is not ...
What if I love Animal Crossing but I don't love New Horizons and I love the Nintendo 64 games but I don't love the NSO service, and I love Nintendo but I don't love Nintendo's business practices?
I have a family membership with my 3 kids and 3 of my friends, so 7 people/switches total. Three are avid Animal Crossing fans and would have bought the DLC if I hadn't gotten the expansion pack. They were thankful, as fits the season.
Really, the main reason I got the expansion pack is I've wanted to buy M.U.S.H.A. since it was released, but I grew up poor and more alarmingly, the game got more expensive as I've made more money ($300 for an authentic Genesis cart now, and I prefer legal gaming). Even if I would have bought a cart, I probably would have gotten stuck on one of the difficult bosses. Instead, I did a playthrough the other day on NSO with rewind and cleared it with officially losing a life. The music and art were good enough I'll probably do another couple clears this weekend. In any case, the original cartridge is now off my (depressingly long) wishlist, saving me $300.
I have Ocarina on an N64 hooked up to a CRT in my retro gaming center. I own the remake on 3DS. I've suggested to my seven-year old son a few times he might like the game, but old consoles are a "special" gaming experience for him. If he's bored, he grabs his Switch instead. The other day, I saw him playing the game on the NSO expansion pack, but I didn't say anything.
Later he was playing in the yard, swinging a stick around like Link swings his Deku stuck. I asked him if he was playing in Hyrule and he said yes, but he was stuck in a dungeon. I asked him if he'd thought about lighting his stick on fire. (Not in real life.) His eyes lit up, and now he's making progress on his adventure.
People can talk endlessly about economics and value and dollars and cents, but this is all kind of crass--like charging interest on a loan to a family member. There's more to a company's value than its offering tickets for rides. Like Thomas and his mom, I appreciate Nintendo for letting me gift my friends, fulfill childhood wishes, and bond with my son. I don't want to put a dollar amount on any of those things.
When you're my age, you end up paying for the whole price of the family plan because you're supporting your spouse and kids, who for some don't have incomes, so they can't contribute. $80 is too much money, we should have tiers and options that fit our needs! Instead we have two one size fits all options.
To be fair, it's an industry wide problem.
Nintendo knows that people coming to this just for the retro games are getting burned, especially the NA prices, but they know they’ll get enough subs that they don’t have to cater nicely to the retro game lover in this instance.
As someone with multiple people on a family plan and over 400 hours in Animal Crossing, and who is very excited to play Sin & Punishment, Star Fox 64, Banjo-Kazooie, Paper Mario, and Majora's Mask with an N64 controller again, yeah, I'm getting my money's worth for sure. The all-or-nothing is the issue. If you don't care about nearly EVERYTHING the service entails, it's way too much money.
@RavenWolfe81 It's the same with cell phone contracts "Only $40/line with 4 lines". Conspicuously, 2 lines, cost as much, or more than 2 individual accounts. All by design. It lets them advertise great prices that only apply to large groups/families because 2-3 people is a far more common scenario than 4+, so they get good optics without having to offer any savings in the most common purchasing scenarios.
It's not a bad deal if they plan to continue adding dlc for the service, but if not it isn't so great. This set a precedent that I hope they continue.
I agree with Thomas on this - I'm the keeper of a 5-person family plan with me and 3 others playing ACNH regularly and me and 1-2 others who will enjoy the N64 and Genesis games, so in my situation the subscription is a decent value. Especially if they add some heavy-hitter games/content later.
Were I on an individual plan, I'd probably say no thanks, though.
To each, their own...
@Lyapunov
In case you were not aware, MUSHA is on the Japanese version of the Mega Drive Mini.
I imported it for that reason, plus it came with the 6-button controller and (most importantly) the Mega Drive Assault Suits Leynos game (Target Earth here in the US), which I really liked as a teen.
I dont think the standalone version is worth it. But I will be getting the family plan. I have myself, my wife, both kids and my mother in law. Each of us who plays Animal Crossing. I will probably be the only one who plays N64 or Mega Drive games (Although they may play Mario Kart) its still a good deal for me.
It's terrible to offer the DLC as a subscription and revoke benefits when the subscription ends, instead of just giving it to subscribers outright. Why not let subscribers keep the dlc after a year? They are expecting people to either buy it for $25 to "own" it, or pay a recurring $50 per year to rent it. What if you want to subscribe for N64 for a year, but also want to own the DLC?
It's only worth it if your family has one switch shared between them, and if you want the other things that the expansion pack offers. If you're someone like me however, who just wants the DLC, and you have a switch to yourself.. it's probably better to buy the DLC outright, given it's much cheaper, and they don't make you pay again to have access to the DLC like if you get it through the online.
Im gonna go a little off the main topic but since many have been mentioning the family plan, just wanna share how I use it to save on game purchases. In some instances I only need to buy a game once if I want to play multiplayer for 2 switches simoultaneously with a single digital game license. This is only possible with NSO because you cannot play the same game copy simoultaneously in local multiplayer. Online will bypass this restriction and to me I get my money's worth in the family sub by not having to buy the same game twice.
@Teksetter I was aware, but I have a story about that too. My mom (who couldn't afford a lot of the Genesis games I wanted when I was little) surprised me with a Genesis mini for my birthday two years ago. It was a really thoughtful gesture for her, because she usually just asks me what I want as far as gifts go, so I didn't have the heart to tell her the Japanese one was better.
Also, MUSHA was apparently on the Wii virtual console, and I totally missed out on that.
To me it is not a great value because it means im basically paying 50 dollars yearly for a DLC I could just buy outright and continue emulating on my M1 Mac android phone iPhone iPad pc xbox etc etc. Point being is pay 25 once for that dlc and emulate properly. Because n64 is kind of a joke and u can get all those Sega games in the Sega 51 classics
@GumbyX84
Nobody's missed that. However for most of us this isn't a big deal. You get to keep all the stuff you got from the island. You just don't get to go back when the subscription ends. However most of us won't really feel the need to go back then. It's much cheaper to rent the DLC for a family plan and get a year or two's enjoyment out of it. I do get that this isn't ideal for plenty of people but there are lots of people who won't care.
@Waluigi451
I agree. This makes you feel dumb for buying the Animal Crossing DLC outright and the NSO Expansion, but also dumb because if you just get the NSO Expansion, you won't own the DLC.
It was just a bad decision to make the Animal Crossing DLC a rental with the NSO Expansion. Making it own-able outright would have eliminated the bad value proposition and the feeling of double dipping.
For me, I tend to measure how many hours I spend on something to gauge how much value for money I get. I've played 10 hours of OoT on Switch so far, and I'll definitely 100% it, so maybe 30 hours total? I've got the AC DLC, which I'll use too, and I've been playing Megadrive games too, as well as other N64 games. For me, the value is alright but it could obviously be much better. I know I'll get my £60 worth but I know that's not the case for everyone.
I'm not overly concerned about "not owning" the stuff. I don't totally feel like I own digital games either, honestly, which is why I tend to buy physical whenever I can.
I just want to say I love how this was written because it acknowledges missteps, but still personally they resonate with what's being offered. That's so different and understandable as opposed to those on previous threads dismissing criticism as "them online kids, they just hate Nintendo" and then going on to compare the service to the cost of some unrelated consumer favorite, usually coffee, as though that's how value works.
I really want this to be the end of the discourse over the past week or so, but if you enjoy the subscription, great for you.
This is a scam for ACNH players. Nintendo tried to ignore their clamor for more content, like they promised, and now they're locking it away behind thirty bucks outright... or an additional fee every month. Milk it for what it's worth, Nintendo. Meanwhile, non-Animal Crossing players, like me, are still asked to pay extra for games that have poor button mapping on the Switch and launch issues. Ocarina of Time and Mario Kart didn't get a smooth transition anyways, and those were games I was most looking forward to. Nintendo listens to money, not fans, and it constantly disappoints me, because the outcry from fans could make them more money than these random price hikes and hardware they refuse to fix. We pay for it anyway because of how protective of their first party games they are, but Nintendo doesn't seem to have a problem bringing Microsoft and Sony first parties to their hardware. I wish I could personally change the direction this company is going in, and stop milking money from children who want to play the games Nintendo made in regard to their age. The goes back to the original Switch Online announcement, back in the days of Mario Odyssey (correct me if I'm wrong), but kids simply cannot pay for that. Nintendo relies on kids begging their parents for these things. Take SSBU for example. To buy everything in the game (I'm a completionist), it would cost $120 for the full game and fighters. Mii Fighter costumes tallies up at... too many costumes to count. I gave myself ten dollars to spend on costumes and ended up getting something like 15 - and there are a total of 144 (93 + 51) outfits, comprised of 53 (36 + 17) Brawler, 51 (29 + 22) Swordfighter, and 40 (28 + 12) Gunner outfits, some of which can only be obtained by purchasing a Fighter's Pass instead of fighters individually. Too much. Waaaaayyy too much.
Pardon my rant
Isn't it just cheaper to buy it on its own? Its only good value if you want the N64 and Sega games as well and plan on only playing AC for another year.
@WallyWest
Especially true considering there's also the genesis collec
Nintendo's online service is like a Blockbuster video without the video's and an empty shop with the promise of more video's to come.
I'll wait until they fill the shop up thanks.
In about 10 years.
Since you don't own the DLC, it isn't worth it at all. Cost me just under $40CDN (with tax), no need to worry about an overpriced online service I use strictly for backing up my Island and gaining designs (something that should have been free).
in the end people will see their own value in the expansion, whether for its actual value or sentiment/nostalgia. i dont have neither, so ill gladly pay $25 upfront for the dlc and continue to forget about the expansion
@Lyapunov
You’re full of stories today! I enjoyed reading about your experience with NSO Ocarina and your son, and that was really very sweet and thoughtful of your mom. 🥰
I’m glad after that you were able to enjoy MUSHA anyway.
I’m optimistic Nintendo and Sega will add more tempting titles like that over time and give the service broader appeal.
I respectfully believe you to be incorrect.
Personally, I'm not sure there's enough info available yet for me to fully understand the value of each option.
I currently have a NSO family plan, as well as 3 family members (plus myself) who play AC on one switch and we all want the new DLC. If I just buy the DLC outright will all 4 of us be able to each have our own HHP archipelago?? Or will we be crammed together arguing over how to decorate each public bldg (school, hospital, etc)?
Only thing close is a blurb in the fine print on the official HHP game page that says "Additional games, systems and/or accessories may be required for multiplayer mode; sold separately."
@Oneironaut0 family plan sounds like way to go…
@rockodoodle
I think so too, IF that meant we'd get four "archipelagos" for our one copy of ACNH, but that's not so clear. Seems just as likely we'd need 4 copies of ACNH & 4 Switches anyway
@AlmightyDerek At 2 years you'll have paid a bit more actually, and you better be damn sure that nobody in your family will want to go back to the island before you eventually cancel. Being able to design entire restaurants, schools, etc. might make it hard to leave behind, as well as the island shop that sells rare items. Also, by canceling, you're conceding that the service holds no real longtime value.
@SpaceboyScreams You guys sure seem to want to ruin it for everyone. Nintendo needs to fix some stuff with this plan, but it's getting way more hate than it deserves. They are over charging like $10 a year. That's not that big of a deal. If it was $10 a month I could see it. Any way the service is $45 a year more for families so 2 years is an extra $90. That's still cheaper than 6 purchases of $25. Also we also get the N64/Genesis games. So still a good deal for people like me. And yeah no on my plan is going to be playing that DLC after 2 years. They all move onto other things super fast. My 2 kids will probably move on after 3 or 4 months. They get bored fast. I super get that renting DLC isn't good for everyone. But you shouldn't act like it's bad for everyone. I can think of lots of DLC through the years I would have been happy to pay less for so I could play it once and finish it.
@AlmightyDerek I'm not acting like anything, I'm expressing my opinion, you can interpret it however you'd like but I'll never claim I speak for everyone and I'll never expect anyone to think I speak for them. If you're excited for this then you shouldn't feel the need to defend that to anyone, please, go enjoy it. I don't want to debate something that brings you joy. I want to debate Nintendo for better value, and in the end that will benefit you too, so either way with me I'm not your enemy.
As a financial advisor however I do urge people to consider the long-term payout of subscription services. Do the math of what you'll have spent in 5 years and make sure that it's either a cost that is equal in value right now or have confidence that it will reach that soon through support. To me, several hundred dollars for N64 games is a hard sell, very few games from that generation have aged well and Nintendo has proven that their support for this service is lackluster at best as evidenced by their NES and SNES offerings. It's all just stuff to take into consideration, I help teens and young adults save thousands of dollars starting by looking at all of their accumulated subscriptions, how often they eat out, vaping habits, etc, and I help them take that money and invest it to make their future selves secure. If you're already an adult and are very clear about your budgeting and your security then what I have to say doesn't necessarily apply to you but I hope some people are listening.
@Oneironaut0 yeah…. I think it’s one ACNH per switch. So u need four Switches.
That's fair of you. Thank you. There definitely are people like that though who just like to stir up anger. I'm all for Nintendo adding more value to this. I feel like they will add more DLC to rent, but of course they didn't announce anything. That was a mistake on them. They need to communicate better and tell us how often they are adding stuff to the service.
It’s $4 a month. It’s already a great value.
I'm glad some people like it and find value in the product. But as an individual subscriber who no longer plays AC and already has the mega drive collection, I am struggling to justify what I'd be getting other than a dlc I wouldn't use and some not wonderfully emulated N64 games I'm not sure will survive the removal of my nostalgia specs.
@SaucyBrotato Thank you so much for letting us know about the CD Keys deal! I'm going to order that!
My dude
You are wasting money by getting with NSO, you won't keep anything except whatever you get from HHP for your island
It's honestly just better to just straight up buy it from the eshop even for 24.99
@Gwynbleidd Alright. That's a lot of negativity there. I hope things work out for you.
Oh, you'll KEEP PAYING FOR DLC now... Great option, what a great road for Nintendo to take.... COME ON PEOPLE!! 🙄😂🤣😒
50$ for NSO+ Expansion Pack and you have to keep buying the DLC is unacceptable, i like Animal Crossing, but this pratice Nintendo is doing is unacceptable.
@Mando44646 best comment in the chat.
Ok quick question for those who might know.
If I get the + subscription for a single person, will only I be able to go to the Happy Homes? Or can my kids also go on their accounts, which cannot use NES or SNES for example?
@Daniel36 unless your kids are on a NSO family plan, you'd have to buy the DLC for them individually like any normal paid content. Its included for anyone who subscribes to the service
@RainbowGazelle Pleasure! Always happy to share a good deal!
@Mando44646 Well, that just rots my turnips!!! >: (
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2.0 is out now!!!! Taking forever to download
I'll still wait a bit to see when some more games are added. It would be nice to see some new NES and SNES scraps handed out to us non-expansion NSO subscribers, but i wont hold my breath.
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