@sportymariosonicmixx that’s a chicken or egg problem. Besides the fact that the Nintendo 64 was also bundled with Super Mario 64, pack-in titles tend to be chosen because they are expected to be popular e-ticket games that many if not most people would buy anyway (« system sellers » as they’re often called). If the bundle flops (as it would if you put in something like Clu Clu Land), they’ll quickly swap it out for something more profitable.
@Scarftail I get what you’re saying, but Nintendo isn’t going to skip an opportunity to advertise its full-price Mario games that are currently available for purchase.
It's not really part of the Super Mario series (any more than Wario Land is, which actually looks and plays like a Mario game). The full series is listed here.
Still no score after three days? That's ridiculous lol. Is there a financial disincentive against giving it a less-than stellar grade? If so, wouldn't disclosing that in the article be the ethical thing to do?
@KayFiOS just as many Disney remakes have been absolute flops lol (see: Snow White). Not to mention other big name and big budget films. You can insult your audience, but there will often be consequences.
Conversely, Hogwarts Legacy was a massive hit despite being boycotted by trans activists and blackballed by the gaming media. Twitter is not real life.
Lol, we all knew this would happen if they made the mistake of launching a new console that's exactly the same as the current Switch but with marginally better graphics (Gamecube graphics are still closer to Switch 2 than they are to N64). You know it's bad when a site that spent the last 5+ years begging for a new console has an ambivalent reaction like this. Enjoy all new games being locked behind a new 700$ box and with a 33-50% price hike. The only good thing about it is that the "Switch 2 edition" rehashes don't force you to rebuy the game (not that most of them have much additional content).
@Bolt_Strike Wii, Wii U, and Switch were all revealed the year before they actually came out. Their statement on the next console is literally "it will be revealed by the end of March 2024 and it's backwards compatible". That's the only real information anyone has (leakers and insiders have a worse track record than the Selzer poll). 2020 and 2023 were DLC only, and if we exclude Emerald and Platinum (the third wheel game with a small amount of exclusive content) that puts us up to 9 years of the last 20 where there's been no new Pokemon game. Hence, not an annual series.
@Bolt_Strike Pokemon is not every year, absolutely counts as E ticket (take one look at the sales figures), and 1-2 per year is about on par with where they've been over the course of the Switch era. Remember that at this time in 2024, there was nothing on their dance card other than Prime 4 (presumed vapourware). The insiders and leakers were all certain about Switch Pro before it didn't come out (see also: Star Fox Grand Prix, Pokemon Stars, the Switch Smash 4 port, the Retro Studios Mystery Project). And if we're going by past history, new hardware is never released before a price cut of the current console (the Switch has not seen a price cut).
@Bolt_Strike The point is that "no new games in sight, this must be the year" would've held in 2023-2024 (yet neither one really was "the year"; subsequent Switch games were later revealed and released). This year we already have two E ticket games plus whatever else they reveal during subsequent directs.
@WheresWaveRace Had forgotten about Tour, so if they count that there's an argument for calling it Mario Kart 10/X. They consider Run as part of the main Super Mario series, so there's precedent.
@Bolt_Strike It's January 5 lol. We didn't know about Super Mario Bros. Wonder or Zelda Echoes of Wisdom until E3 in 2023 and 2024.
@GrailUK How could you say that? The Switch 2 is going to have magnetic Joycons and marginally better graphics! It's absolutely worth locking all new games (save a token Kirby spin-off or two) behind a new 400$ box.
@GrailUK 2026 or later. Already one or two E ticket games on the docket (depending on whether Prime 4 actually sells; other Metroid games didn’t but Prime is a bigger deal and Switch is a powerhouse).
@WheresWaveRace Skipping 9 and going straight to 10 (or « X ») is a douchey thing to do but there’s no reason to think Nintendo would do it. 7 and 8 are the only numbered games in the series. They’d more likely call it by some other creative title after its new gimmick, or just name it after the new console if feasible.
This is really Star Fox Grand Prix quality lol. That is, it’s a leak designed to test how stupid gaming media and its followers are. It’s clearly not going to be called Switch 2, and « switch but with marginally better graphics and magnetic joy cons that don’t drift » is something internet people would invent out of thin air (not something Nintendo would actually market as its next console).
No, there’s never any real Switch news outside of directs, E3 (RIP), and trailers. TGA 2017 was the exception, not the rule. The show itself has been a joke ever since they blackballed Hogwarts Legacy.
If tariffs prevented Nintendo from locking all of its new releases (save a token Kirby spinoff or two) behind a 500$ box that does exactly the same thing as the current Switch but with marginally better graphics for a few years, that wouldn’t be the end of the world.
@Bolt_Strike What a ridiculous comment. The Supreme Court has ruled against Trump on numerous occasions, most famously going 9-0 against his attempt to stay in office after losing the 2020 election. He then did some bizarre theatrics but peacefully left office on time. The far left just doesn’t like the Supreme Court because they rule based on the US Constitution rather than on their idea of social progress. It is the current administration that defies Supreme Court decisions that don’t go their way (student loan bailouts) and wants to change the way the court works in order to push their extreme agenda (increasing the number of justices and undermining the independence of the court as was done in Nazi Germany and other despot states).
All the screaming about how Trump would be the next Hitler didn’t work because it didn’t happen last time he was in office, so most people were smart enough to tune it out. And the other side had little to offer voters other than « Orange Man Bad » and « MUH ´BORSHUNS ».
@Desrever Violent video games are constitutionally protected speech (based on an 8-1 Supreme Court ruling). Overturning it would require all of Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, and Ketanji Brown Jackson to do so (which is unlikely, as most of them are straight shooters on freedom of speech). Not to mention that any hypothetical ban on violent games would have to get 60 votes in the Senate, as Republicans are committed to preserving the filibuster (which effectively requires legislation to have a reasonable degree of bipartisanship in order to pass).
Seeing that the next console isn’t coming until 2026 or later (they promised only a reveal before March 2025, not a launch), there’s really no reason to hurry.
@OctoCallie20 I think their numbers (used by investors and shareholders) are more likely to be accurate than a random internet person's conspiracy theories. We'll have to disagree.
No because Breath of the Wild and subsequent Zelda games are different in degree from "typical" Zelda games, not in kind. In Zelda 1, A Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, and A Link Between Worlds the dungeons can be completed in many orders without doing anything douchey like entering a dungeon and getting the key item without completing it. All Zelda games contain optional content (including whole dungeons, sidequests where you get a horse, and heart containers), most have some form of open world (every 3D "open world" game ever cites Mario 64 and its sequel, Ocarina of Time, in its design blueprint), and there are often multiple solutions to a given puzzle. Breath of the Wild simply takes it one step further by making most of the dungeons and content optional, allowing more freedom throughout the overworld and more solutions to the puzzles, and allowing players to fight Ganon with three hearts. Open-world vs. linearity is a spectrum, not a strict formula. That's how it's been since 1987. The only real dichotomy is 2D vs. 3D Zelda, both of which get good entries fairly regularly.
@OctoCallie20 20,000,000 copies sold and counting (31,000,000 for Tears of the Kingdom). The third-best selling was Twilight Princess (7,000,000). Sneezing at that is simply delusional.
It's like classic rock, the classical period of history, or antiques (things made before the era of mass production). It refers to a specific time period/style, not the current year less an arbitrary number of years or console generations.
Retro gaming refers to consoles before the Dreamcast (with the Dreamcast itself a grey area - good arguments can be made both for and against it being a retro console). The Gamecube, PS2, Xbox, and later have modern graphics. A Gamecube game like Twilight Princess looks more similar to a ninth-generation Switch game than like an N64 game, even though the timespan and number of generations are less. Retro consoles, in addition to graphics, lack online play. All modern home consoles have some level of online functionality. And critically, the sixth generation saw the exit of Sega from the hardware market and the debut of Microsoft - a major historical event that draws a bright line between the two eras.
Charging what it's worth up front at a flat rate (even if that's a little bit more than people are used to paying) is fine. 90$ for Tears of the Kingdom is a bargain, considering how much quality content there is. Price discrimination, in the form of microtransactions and lootboxes, is where the problem is.
@Zenszulu No, they aren't. It has nothing to do with time. A generation of people were born since the last classic rock song came out, but that doesn't make newer songs "classic rock". Millennia have passed since the classical period of history, but the end date doesn't just move forward every year. The SNES (released ten years prior) would've been considered retro in 2001, but the PS4 (released in 2013) would not be considered retro in 2024. Graphically and game experience-wise, the Gamecube is closer to the Switch than it is to the N64 (much less the NES, which came out 16 years prior to it). And the modern three-party market began in 2001 with the rise of the Xbox and the end of Sega.
No, nothing after the Dreamcast is retro (the Dreamcast itself is a grey area, with reasonable arguments both for and against). Modern graphics + online play (or contemporary handheld consoles from that era) will never qualify as retro, any more than something made from a factory qualifies as antique.
@KoopaTheGamer The "momentum" thing doesn't work given that the Wii, DS, and SNES had no coattails. The next console won't be as successful as the Switch, and it's above even odds that the next console won't even be successful. The Switch is lightning in a bottle and as such, it makes sense to continue supporting it as long as possible.
The Switch is, to date, the only handheld device that can play Mario Kart 8, Breath of the Wild, Pokemon Sword and Shield, Animal Crossing New Horizons, or Super Mario Bros. Wonder. That seems to be more than enough, judging by how well the games are selling. Internet people have a tendency to overestimate the appeal of locking all major new games behind a 400$ box that does exactly the same thing as the current Switch, and underestimate the appeal of new Switch games.
@KoopaTheGamer If the system is selling too well to necessitate a price drop, it's selling too well to necessitate a new console.
Third party support is always limited with Nintendo. It's icing on the cake, not the main course. And if there's money to be made, they'll find a way to make it work on a platform with 139,000,000 users (and counting). Hogwarts Legacy certainly did, even though this site decided to publish a dozen Switch 2 articles instead of reviewing or covering the game.
@LadyCharlie Yes, they officially said in 2022 that the Switch was mid-cycle. That would put the next console at around 2027, which is later than 2026. Additionally, the Switch still sells at the same price it did at launch. Since the N64 these four events have always taken place, in order:
1. Console released. 2. Price drop 3. Next console announced 4. Next console released.
We're currently between 1 and 2. It will be a while before 3 and 4 happen.
No means no. Official statements trump internet rumours and new games continue to fly off the shelves (software sales are where they actually make their profit). At the end of the day there's no need for a new system that does exactly the same thing as the Switch but with marginally better graphics.
More context: this site apparently lacked the manpower to give Hogwarts Legacy a proper review, even though it was one of the biggest releases of 2023.
Funny how everyone that was absolutely 100% positive that "Switch 2" would come out in 2024 (after they were all absolutely 100% positive that it would come out in 2023 and 2022 and 2021 and 2020 and 2019 - though they called it the "Switch Pro" for a while) is hedging, saying that maybe this isn't the year after all. Hardware sales are irrelevant at this point; they're bound to slow down once everyone already has a Switch (inevitable when it's been on the market for 7 years) and profit per console is minimal (it's actually negative for Sony and Microsoft). Software sales are what matters, as games make 80-90$ a piece with few manufacturing costs (none if people buy the game virtually). And Nintendo continues to dominate in that department, which isn't a surprise considering every new game has up to 130,000,000 potential buyers.
@larryisaman ToTK runs well and sold lots of units. Super Mario Bros. Wonder runs well and sold lots of units. Hogwarts Legacy runs well and sold lots of units. Third parties are a small percentage of Nintendo's software sales, but if there is money to be made they will find a way to make it work on a platform with 132,000,000 potential users (and counting). Hardware sales are even less profitable, and only 4 of Nintendo's 7 home consoles were actually successful.
@Yoshif3 Timely they'd re-up this. I'm not seeing many Zelda or Zelda-style games. The term has a specific meaning (platforming + permanent power-ups being some of the key features).
A game can take inspiration from another game or include some of its elements without being part of the same genre. Virtually every game takes inspiration from Super Mario Bros. or Super Mario 64 (including Zelda), but that doesn't mean they're the same kind of game.
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Re: ICYMI: The Super Mario Galaxy Movie Teases Rosalina And Bowser Jr. Scenes, Here's A First Look
Well, at least it isn't going to be Hunter Schaefer.
Re: Review: Super Mario 64 (N64) - The Best Launch Game Ever Made
@sportymariosonicmixx that’s a chicken or egg problem. Besides the fact that the Nintendo 64 was also bundled with Super Mario 64, pack-in titles tend to be chosen because they are expected to be popular e-ticket games that many if not most people would buy anyway (« system sellers » as they’re often called). If the bundle flops (as it would if you put in something like Clu Clu Land), they’ll quickly swap it out for something more profitable.
Re: Former GTA Boss Dan Houser Says Zelda: BOTW And TOTK "Feel Like Hitchcock"
According to Polymarket there is a 46 percent chance Jesus Christ comes back before GTA VI.
https://polymarket.com/event/what-will-happen-before-gta-vi?tid=1762538209482
Re: Video: Feeling Rough? This Orchestra's 5-Minute 'Super Mario Retro Suite' Will Sort You Out
No, New Super Mario Bros (a game that was released on a wifi-compatible system) is not retro and never will be.
Re: Nintendo Highlights Super Mario's Game History In 40th Anniversary Timeline
@Scarftail I get what you’re saying, but Nintendo isn’t going to skip an opportunity to advertise its full-price Mario games that are currently available for purchase.
Re: Anniversary: No Way Is Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island 30 Years Old Already
It's not really part of the Super Mario series (any more than Wario Land is, which actually looks and plays like a Mario game). The full series is listed here.
https://mario.nintendo.com/history/
Re: Random: Mario Kart World Players, Take Heed - This Is What Happens When You Throw A Blue Shell In First Place
Yes, and if you jump down the pit in Super Mario Bros. 3 after you defeat Bowser you lose a life. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Re: Review In Progress: Mario Kart World (Switch 2) - The Perfect Introduction To A New Console Generation?
Still no score after three days? That's ridiculous lol. Is there a financial disincentive against giving it a less-than stellar grade? If so, wouldn't disclosing that in the article be the ethical thing to do?
Re: Rumour: Zelda Live-Action Movie Eyes "Popular" Princess Pick
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@KayFiOS just as many Disney remakes have been absolute flops lol (see: Snow White). Not to mention other big name and big budget films. You can insult your audience, but there will often be consequences.
Conversely, Hogwarts Legacy was a massive hit despite being boycotted by trans activists and blackballed by the gaming media. Twitter is not real life.
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Re: Opinion: A Few Too Many Questions & Unwelcome Surprises Are Taking The Shine Off The Switch 2 Reveal
Lol, we all knew this would happen if they made the mistake of launching a new console that's exactly the same as the current Switch but with marginally better graphics (Gamecube graphics are still closer to Switch 2 than they are to N64). You know it's bad when a site that spent the last 5+ years begging for a new console has an ambivalent reaction like this. Enjoy all new games being locked behind a new 700$ box and with a 33-50% price hike. The only good thing about it is that the "Switch 2 edition" rehashes don't force you to rebuy the game (not that most of them have much additional content).
https://x.com/juneybee03/status/1907560983251284091
Re: Nintendo Highlights Multiple Switch Games Launching In 2025
@Bolt_Strike Still a holiday season went between reveal and release. And no they don’t count as new games.
Re: Nintendo Highlights Multiple Switch Games Launching In 2025
@Bolt_Strike Wii, Wii U, and Switch were all revealed the year before they actually came out. Their statement on the next console is literally "it will be revealed by the end of March 2024 and it's backwards compatible". That's the only real information anyone has (leakers and insiders have a worse track record than the Selzer poll). 2020 and 2023 were DLC only, and if we exclude Emerald and Platinum (the third wheel game with a small amount of exclusive content) that puts us up to 9 years of the last 20 where there's been no new Pokemon game. Hence, not an annual series.
Re: Nintendo Highlights Multiple Switch Games Launching In 2025
@Bolt_Strike Pokemon is not every year, absolutely counts as E ticket (take one look at the sales figures), and 1-2 per year is about on par with where they've been over the course of the Switch era. Remember that at this time in 2024, there was nothing on their dance card other than Prime 4 (presumed vapourware). The insiders and leakers were all certain about Switch Pro before it didn't come out (see also: Star Fox Grand Prix, Pokemon Stars, the Switch Smash 4 port, the Retro Studios Mystery Project). And if we're going by past history, new hardware is never released before a price cut of the current console (the Switch has not seen a price cut).
Re: Nintendo Highlights Multiple Switch Games Launching In 2025
@Bolt_Strike The point is that "no new games in sight, this must be the year" would've held in 2023-2024 (yet neither one really was "the year"; subsequent Switch games were later revealed and released). This year we already have two E ticket games plus whatever else they reveal during subsequent directs.
Re: Nintendo Switch 2: Everything We Know About Nintendo's Next Console
@WheresWaveRace Had forgotten about Tour, so if they count that there's an argument for calling it Mario Kart 10/X. They consider Run as part of the main Super Mario series, so there's precedent.
Re: Nintendo Highlights Multiple Switch Games Launching In 2025
@Bolt_Strike It's January 5 lol. We didn't know about Super Mario Bros. Wonder or Zelda Echoes of Wisdom until E3 in 2023 and 2024.
@GrailUK How could you say that? The Switch 2 is going to have magnetic Joycons and marginally better graphics! It's absolutely worth locking all new games (save a token Kirby spin-off or two) behind a new 400$ box.
Re: Nintendo Highlights Multiple Switch Games Launching In 2025
@GrailUK 2026 or later. Already one or two E ticket games on the docket (depending on whether Prime 4 actually sells; other Metroid games didn’t but Prime is a bigger deal and Switch is a powerhouse).
Re: Nintendo Switch 2: Everything We Know About Nintendo's Next Console
@WheresWaveRace Skipping 9 and going straight to 10 (or « X ») is a douchey thing to do but there’s no reason to think Nintendo would do it. 7 and 8 are the only numbered games in the series. They’d more likely call it by some other creative title after its new gimmick, or just name it after the new console if feasible.
Re: Those Switch 2 Leaks "Might Be Legit" According To A New Report
This is really Star Fox Grand Prix quality lol. That is, it’s a leak designed to test how stupid gaming media and its followers are. It’s clearly not going to be called Switch 2, and « switch but with marginally better graphics and magnetic joy cons that don’t drift » is something internet people would invent out of thin air (not something Nintendo would actually market as its next console).
Re: Poll: It's Almost Time For The Game Awards, But Are You Expecting Much Switch News?
No, there’s never any real Switch news outside of directs, E3 (RIP), and trailers. TGA 2017 was the exception, not the rule. The show itself has been a joke ever since they blackballed Hogwarts Legacy.
Re: Mailbox: The Death Of GameCube, Mario Party Matchmaking, Tariffs - Nintendo Life Letters
If tariffs prevented Nintendo from locking all of its new releases (save a token Kirby spinoff or two) behind a 500$ box that does exactly the same thing as the current Switch but with marginally better graphics for a few years, that wouldn’t be the end of the world.
@Bolt_Strike What a ridiculous comment. The Supreme Court has ruled against Trump on numerous occasions, most famously going 9-0 against his attempt to stay in office after losing the 2020 election. He then did some bizarre theatrics but peacefully left office on time. The far left just doesn’t like the Supreme Court because they rule based on the US Constitution rather than on their idea of social progress. It is the current administration that defies Supreme Court decisions that don’t go their way (student loan bailouts) and wants to change the way the court works in order to push their extreme agenda (increasing the number of justices and undermining the independence of the court as was done in Nazi Germany and other despot states).
All the screaming about how Trump would be the next Hitler didn’t work because it didn’t happen last time he was in office, so most people were smart enough to tune it out. And the other side had little to offer voters other than « Orange Man Bad » and « MUH ´BORSHUNS ».
@Desrever Violent video games are constitutionally protected speech (based on an 8-1 Supreme Court ruling). Overturning it would require all of Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, and Ketanji Brown Jackson to do so (which is unlikely, as most of them are straight shooters on freedom of speech). Not to mention that any hypothetical ban on violent games would have to get 60 votes in the Senate, as Republicans are committed to preserving the filibuster (which effectively requires legislation to have a reasonable degree of bipartisanship in order to pass).
Re: Anniversary: 8 Years Since Nintendo Unveiled Switch, The World Awaits The Next Reveal
Seeing that the next console isn’t coming until 2026 or later (they promised only a reveal before March 2025, not a launch), there’s really no reason to hurry.
Re: Talking Point: Could Another Nintendo Series Take Over The 'Traditional' Zelda Template?
@OctoCallie20 I think their numbers (used by investors and shareholders) are more likely to be accurate than a random internet person's conspiracy theories. We'll have to disagree.
Re: Talking Point: Could Another Nintendo Series Take Over The 'Traditional' Zelda Template?
@OctoCallie20
https://www.nintendolife.com/guides/best-selling-nintendo-switch-games
Data comes from Nintendo's shareholder report.
Re: Talking Point: Could Another Nintendo Series Take Over The 'Traditional' Zelda Template?
No because Breath of the Wild and subsequent Zelda games are different in degree from "typical" Zelda games, not in kind. In Zelda 1, A Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, and A Link Between Worlds the dungeons can be completed in many orders without doing anything douchey like entering a dungeon and getting the key item without completing it. All Zelda games contain optional content (including whole dungeons, sidequests where you get a horse, and heart containers), most have some form of open world (every 3D "open world" game ever cites Mario 64 and its sequel, Ocarina of Time, in its design blueprint), and there are often multiple solutions to a given puzzle. Breath of the Wild simply takes it one step further by making most of the dungeons and content optional, allowing more freedom throughout the overworld and more solutions to the puzzles, and allowing players to fight Ganon with three hearts. Open-world vs. linearity is a spectrum, not a strict formula. That's how it's been since 1987. The only real dichotomy is 2D vs. 3D Zelda, both of which get good entries fairly regularly.
@OctoCallie20 20,000,000 copies sold and counting (31,000,000 for Tears of the Kingdom). The third-best selling was Twilight Princess (7,000,000). Sneezing at that is simply delusional.
Re: Talking Point: How Do You Define 'Retro'?
It's like classic rock, the classical period of history, or antiques (things made before the era of mass production). It refers to a specific time period/style, not the current year less an arbitrary number of years or console generations.
Retro gaming refers to consoles before the Dreamcast (with the Dreamcast itself a grey area - good arguments can be made both for and against it being a retro console). The Gamecube, PS2, Xbox, and later have modern graphics. A Gamecube game like Twilight Princess looks more similar to a ninth-generation Switch game than like an N64 game, even though the timespan and number of generations are less. Retro consoles, in addition to graphics, lack online play. All modern home consoles have some level of online functionality. And critically, the sixth generation saw the exit of Sega from the hardware market and the debut of Microsoft - a major historical event that draws a bright line between the two eras.
Re: Talking Point: 'Remake' Vs. 'Remaster' - What's Your Definition?
I go with the all inclusive term “rehash” to describe an 80$ game with less than 80$ worth of new content.
Re: Saber Interactive CEO Doesn't Think $70 Video Games Are Sustainable
Charging what it's worth up front at a flat rate (even if that's a little bit more than people are used to paying) is fine. 90$ for Tears of the Kingdom is a bargain, considering how much quality content there is. Price discrimination, in the form of microtransactions and lootboxes, is where the problem is.
Re: Feature: Is Any Mario Game Genuinely 'Underrated'? - 10 Super Mario Games To Reconsider
Lost Levels, 64 DS, Super Paper, 2, and New 2 in that order.
Re: Random: New Pokémon Ad Positions 3DS As 'Retro', And The Internet Disagrees
@Zenszulu No, they aren't. It has nothing to do with time. A generation of people were born since the last classic rock song came out, but that doesn't make newer songs "classic rock". Millennia have passed since the classical period of history, but the end date doesn't just move forward every year. The SNES (released ten years prior) would've been considered retro in 2001, but the PS4 (released in 2013) would not be considered retro in 2024. Graphically and game experience-wise, the Gamecube is closer to the Switch than it is to the N64 (much less the NES, which came out 16 years prior to it). And the modern three-party market began in 2001 with the rise of the Xbox and the end of Sega.
Re: Random: New Pokémon Ad Positions 3DS As 'Retro', And The Internet Disagrees
No, nothing after the Dreamcast is retro (the Dreamcast itself is a grey area, with reasonable arguments both for and against). Modern graphics + online play (or contemporary handheld consoles from that era) will never qualify as retro, any more than something made from a factory qualifies as antique.
Re: The 2024 'State Of Switch' Survey Is Here And It Wants Your Gaming Opinions
« There appears to be a focus on 'Switch 2' this year»
(that is, One page out of 20).
2026 or later.
Re: Talking Point: Switch Is Nintendo's "Main Business" Right Now, But All Eyes Are On The Horizon
@KoopaTheGamer The "momentum" thing doesn't work given that the Wii, DS, and SNES had no coattails. The next console won't be as successful as the Switch, and it's above even odds that the next console won't even be successful. The Switch is lightning in a bottle and as such, it makes sense to continue supporting it as long as possible.
The Switch is, to date, the only handheld device that can play Mario Kart 8, Breath of the Wild, Pokemon Sword and Shield, Animal Crossing New Horizons, or Super Mario Bros. Wonder. That seems to be more than enough, judging by how well the games are selling. Internet people have a tendency to overestimate the appeal of locking all major new games behind a 400$ box that does exactly the same thing as the current Switch, and underestimate the appeal of new Switch games.
Re: Talking Point: Switch Is Nintendo's "Main Business" Right Now, But All Eyes Are On The Horizon
@KoopaTheGamer If the system is selling too well to necessitate a price drop, it's selling too well to necessitate a new console.
Third party support is always limited with Nintendo. It's icing on the cake, not the main course. And if there's money to be made, they'll find a way to make it work on a platform with 139,000,000 users (and counting). Hogwarts Legacy certainly did, even though this site decided to publish a dozen Switch 2 articles instead of reviewing or covering the game.
Re: Talking Point: Switch Is Nintendo's "Main Business" Right Now, But All Eyes Are On The Horizon
@LadyCharlie Yes, they officially said in 2022 that the Switch was mid-cycle. That would put the next console at around 2027, which is later than 2026. Additionally, the Switch still sells at the same price it did at launch. Since the N64 these four events have always taken place, in order:
1. Console released.
2. Price drop
3. Next console announced
4. Next console released.
We're currently between 1 and 2. It will be a while before 3 and 4 happen.
Re: Talking Point: Switch Is Nintendo's "Main Business" Right Now, But All Eyes Are On The Horizon
No means no. Official statements trump internet rumours and new games continue to fly off the shelves (software sales are where they actually make their profit). At the end of the day there's no need for a new system that does exactly the same thing as the Switch but with marginally better graphics.
2026 or later.
Re: Community: What's The Best Switch eShop Game We Missed? (January 2024)
Hogwarts Legacy. Not an option for January, but you haven't done one of these little polls since it came out.
Re: Talking Point: What Will The 'Switch 2' Actually Be Called?
Periodic reminder that Nintendolife apparently lacked the resources to give Hogwarts Legacy a review, despite being one of the biggest titles of 2023.
Re: 'Switch 2' Will Be An Iterative Evolution And Will Cost $400, Predicts Analyst
Context: this is the same guy that predicted a Zelda remake in 2023 and that the current Switch would launch with a Super Smash Bros. 4 port:
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/01/rumour_super_smash_bros_planned_as_nx_launch_title_bandai_namco_working_on_several_games
More context: this site apparently lacked the manpower to give Hogwarts Legacy a proper review, even though it was one of the biggest releases of 2023.
2026 or later.
Re: Talking Point: Could Nintendo Go Another Year Without A Switch Successor?
Funny how everyone that was absolutely 100% positive that "Switch 2" would come out in 2024 (after they were all absolutely 100% positive that it would come out in 2023 and 2022 and 2021 and 2020 and 2019 - though they called it the "Switch Pro" for a while) is hedging, saying that maybe this isn't the year after all. Hardware sales are irrelevant at this point; they're bound to slow down once everyone already has a Switch (inevitable when it's been on the market for 7 years) and profit per console is minimal (it's actually negative for Sony and Microsoft). Software sales are what matters, as games make 80-90$ a piece with few manufacturing costs (none if people buy the game virtually). And Nintendo continues to dominate in that department, which isn't a surprise considering every new game has up to 130,000,000 potential buyers.
2026 or later.
Re: Nintendo Switch "Lifetime US Unit Sales" Surpass Xbox 360
@larryisaman ToTK runs well and sold lots of units. Super Mario Bros. Wonder runs well and sold lots of units. Hogwarts Legacy runs well and sold lots of units. Third parties are a small percentage of Nintendo's software sales, but if there is money to be made they will find a way to make it work on a platform with 132,000,000 potential users (and counting). Hardware sales are even less profitable, and only 4 of Nintendo's 7 home consoles were actually successful.
Re: Nintendo Switch "Lifetime US Unit Sales" Surpass Xbox 360
All the more reason to keep making Switch games rather than a new console we don't need.
2026 or later.
Re: Sega Appears To Be Teasing A Game Awards Surprise
Dreamcast mini console confirmed.
Re: Random: More Kids Want In-Game Currency Over Physical Media This Holiday
Nintendo's microtransaction-free games are still topping the charts, and doing better than ever.
Re: Soapbox: Ocarina Of Time's Water Temple Was Tough, But It Doesn't Deserve Its Reputation
@Yoshif3 Timely they'd re-up this. I'm not seeing many Zelda or Zelda-style games. The term has a specific meaning (platforming + permanent power-ups being some of the key features).
https://www.nintendolife.com/guides/best-nintendo-switch-metroidvania-games
A game can take inspiration from another game or include some of its elements without being part of the same genre. Virtually every game takes inspiration from Super Mario Bros. or Super Mario 64 (including Zelda), but that doesn't mean they're the same kind of game.