BotW makes TotK look like ugly mess with bad controls.
Just because TotK has "more" everything doesn't make it automatically better. It feels like 90% of it is filler.
The worst thing after the ability wheel, sage controls and the stop- and go gameplay with arrows are the weapons. Most of BotW's great looking weapons were removed or replaced with decayed crap you need to fuse on, and if it happens to be a sword say goodbye for the sheathe after fusing.
It even looks worse than BotW. Grass is all jagged and the apparent "better" draw distance makes distant landmarks look uglier. The clutter doesn't help either.
The cherry on the top is the fact you can just cheese almost every shrine by using bombs or rocket shields. What's the point of making a puzzle if the player can just run past it?
It's annoying when people say BotW is "better because it was more impactful." No, it's better because it's a BETTER GAME in most aspects that really matter.
The PS1 games were the best. X was decent. Then the series heart decided to leave its body and go pump life to other games. The series changed from essential to mediocre.
@OldGamer999 Yeah, the story of totK was easily more intense and epic than BG3's story. Execution over complexity: it doesn't matter how long or complex the story is if it doesn't make you feel anything. Larian studios are not good storytellers.
@RupeeClock They're not gonna include sheikah slate abilities to TotK, because it would break the story and render stuff such as bomb flowers meaningless.
I'm not interested about these obscure glitches. Normal players would never encounter them anyway.
I started BotW's Master Mode for the first time ever and damn, there are more changes than I expected. I still think BotW is the superior game since it's more grounded. Instead of flying around on some ugly contraption I find myself riding a horse to places.
It's great how many ways you can support the signs. At first I simply used zonai stakes/ wood logs, until I ran out of stakes and started using stuff such as the floating platforms and stabilizers.
The worst example of useless rupees was Twilight Princess. Every chest contained either rupees or heart piece. And you almost never needed to use the rupees for anything. The game was also so pathetically easy you really didn't need the heart pieces either outside of those you get from bosses.
In BotW you constantly needed rupees for arrows and opening the great fairies, and in TotK you'd better have some cash everytime you need to upgrade armorsets. Hearts are needed so you don't get killed instantly by stronger enemies, because unlike the earlier game they can actually hit 10 + hearts away from you if you haven't upgraded armor. In the older games enemies were much weaker.
I also like the fact there's more than rupees and heartpieces in chests.
As for weapon breaking it's a great game mechanic, imo, because it guarantees you're not using the same boring sword all the time.
That being said, TotK did it even better because you can repair the weapons if you want.
It doesn't really matter. The next Zelda for Switch 2 will look like it's at least a generation ahead of the console's tech. TotK shouldn't have been able to run on the normal Switch either.
@rotekps_aniger
RDR was a ps3 game originally. It's no wonder it runs without problems on the Switch. As for "GTA 6 can run on N64... I don't know what to say Even if it was somehow possible, it's not gonna be even remotely the same game at that point.
I don't think I can ever get tired of the open world formula, since the next game has a whole new world and tricks etc.
The old, linear formula, though. No more of that, thank you. It got so predictable and tiring.
As for the dungeons the old ones had more simple puzzles we've seen in a million game and they weren't really longer than the new ones, so I really don't get them why some people miss them so much.
And how would the gameplay work? Zelda is not supposed to be a fighter in the main series. I'm fine with Link handling the monsters as long as they keep on doing the good job with the series.
It's obvious the next Zelda will have completely new mechanics, artstyle and musical direction.
The only thing common with BotW and TotK will be the fact it's open world. And possibly Link's climbing ability.
Besides, TotK's story had a definitive ending. Ganondorf who was also the Source of earlier Calamities was destroyed. There's no more story for this version of Zelda.
Prince of persia looks pretty good. I feel it might be a good contender for the best 2D game for Switch, possibly with Metroid Dread.
@Friendly
I'm sure Prime 4 will be a big thing. I hope it would be a swansong for the OG Switch. As for the launch title for the next Nintendo console, I believe it will be Mario's next 3D game.
Ugh, TTYD in the first place again. The game has too much needless backtracking. It gets boring combined with the turn- based battle. Some stages such as the jungle are really dull.
My vote goes to Super Paper Mario for the story and gameplay. Smrpg is also great.
OOT's tutorial is definitely up there with BotW's Great Plateau. Or maybe I should say "was, back in its day". If we left the tutorial out and spoke only about intro cutscenes, then I'd vote for TotK all the way.
Waiting for the dumb "Nintendo hire this guy"- comments. I mean, what would his role be? Copying artstyles from others and implementing the stuff to Unreal Engine?
OOT and MM have their own artstyles. If they were to make a remake and use the ghibli- style for graphics, to me that would feel like a cheap move. And then everyone would just call it a Ghibli- Zelda. Like yeah, Nintendo would really want the name of another company associated with its highest rated game ever.
@Mgalens
Ehh... you mean more games that look like BotW/ TotK? Here's a prediction: the next Zelda game will have a completely new artstyle.
The game already had one remake for 3ds, and I still prefer the original. Of course they could completely reimagine the game like FFVII Remake, but why should they do that? The game is perfect as it is.
Besides, the FFVII Remake is actually worse than the original.
@LadyCharlie
Corporations are made of people. Video game corporations are made of artists, coders and innovators. You really think all these people work with the mindset of hating the people they make games for? When I made games, I did it because I wanted people to play and enjoy the ending product. Getting money for it was secondary.
Of course big companies often go money first, but to get money they need to use the talents of their passionate developers. And those developers almost always make games because they enjoy it and they want others to enjoy their products too. A little free time from the cruel world.
As for this article, the person working for Nintendo told they were good people. You think he was lying about that for no reason? Sometimes you cynics really baffle me.
A corporation can be your friend. Unless it's empty from people, but that would mean it's not even functional. That being said, I'm sure there really are developers who make games thinking nothing but money. It's usually easy to recognize their products. They look either super generic or include soft adult content.
@FancyGamer
I actually hope we don't see human Ganondorf in the movie. Ganon, or Ganondorf should be this Sauron- level threat, not some funny guy in armor. Ganon is not supposed to be a comical villain like Bowser.
I think they nailed Ganon/ Ganondorf in BOTW and TOTK especially, but this is not animation. They have to make it work in live action.
I think the game might have a new story with several essential elements from the gaming series included such as the Triforce, Sages and Ganon. Simply replicating the story of OOT or aLttP is not really something I would expect from Nintendo.
It kind f funny to be Nintendo player. None of these deals affect to the quality of games we get. As long as Nintendo has their own first party stuff, Monolith and Retro it's all fine to me.
@Reztobi
TotK has at least 3 times the landmass of BotW when you count all the sky islands, caves, wells and the Depths together. And of course there are changes on the surface, all new story, all new shrines (152 of them), all new quests, all new dungeons, all new mechanics, bosses, etc... saying that BotW is 70% of TotK is the most false thing I've heard.
Then again, if you only played 10- 15 hours you must've barely gotten out of the tutorial area which can easily take 10 hours first time.
People at resetera saying "TotK is an improvement of BotW" couldn't be more wrong. I've made several lists with a case of how BotW does almost every basic thing better than TotK. BotW is not better simply because it was released first- it's better as a game
@keatypoo
Lol , I disagree. Demise feels like a braggart who's all talk and no action.
Compared to TotK's Ganondorf, the presentation of Demise is nowhere near as menacing or epic. TotK's intro scene with Ganondorf awakening alone is more intense than anything Demise ever did.
Demise is also one of those bosses who are introduced way too late in the game. Sure, there's the Imprisoned but actual Demise appears when the game is pretty much over. Lame. Reminds me of TP Ganon's late arrival.
Totk's Ganondorf's feats and the final battle also blows Demise out of the water.
Demise is a Ganondorf wannabe despite the fact he precedes Ganon lorewise.
TotK has the best Ganondorf by a landslide. Not only his epic presentation, but also the feats! You ask what he's been doing? Let's make a list:
In the past he
created all the monsters in Hyrule
created the blood moon
waged war on Hyrule and almost won
Killed Sonia and countless others in the war
In the current day he
Was the cause of all calamity Ganon events that lead to destruction of central Hyrule and the castle, and killed all the champions except Link with the blights.
Is the cause of all regional calamities in TotK. The sandstorm in Gerudo region, freezing Rito Village, polluting zora's domain, poisoning the Deku Tree and drugging the Gorons. The boss monsters and puppet Zelda causing them are his direct extensions. You can see the bosses share his eyes.
Gloom Hands and phantom Ganons are also his extensions. The phantoms are his direct extensions. Why should he get off his throne when he can do it remotely? Wouldn't it be anticlimactic as hell if Ganon himself walked on the surface doing everything by himself?
Caused the gloom to spread, decaying weapons and making people sick
the monsters in TotK seem to be more disciplined, carrying out his will on the surface
Compare this to WW Ganon for example who just kind of kidnapped some kids and managed to ravage one island... also, his presentation was weak as hell. Losing a little kid in a sword fight... now that was lackluster.
Looking at the comments some people seem to have nostalgia goggles on. Here's my list of best Ganon's from best to worst:
1. TotK
2. ALttP
3. OOT
4. BotW
5. TP
6. WW
7. The wannabe Ganon called Demise
8. NES Zelda
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Re: Poll: So, Do You Prefer Zelda: Breath Of The Wild Or Tears Of The Kingdom?
BotW makes TotK look like ugly mess with bad controls.
Just because TotK has "more" everything doesn't make it automatically better. It feels like 90% of it is filler.
The worst thing after the ability wheel, sage controls and the stop- and go gameplay with arrows are the weapons. Most of BotW's great looking weapons were removed or replaced with decayed crap you need to fuse on, and if it happens to be a sword say goodbye for the sheathe after fusing.
It even looks worse than BotW. Grass is all jagged and the apparent "better" draw distance makes distant landmarks look uglier. The clutter doesn't help either.
The cherry on the top is the fact you can just cheese almost every shrine by using bombs or rocket shields. What's the point of making a puzzle if the player can just run past it?
It's annoying when people say BotW is "better because it was more impactful." No, it's better because it's a BETTER GAME in most aspects that really matter.
Re: Poll: What's The Best Final Fantasy Game? Rate Your Favourite Mainline & Spin-Offs
The PS1 games were the best. X was decent. Then the series heart decided to leave its body and go pump life to other games. The series changed from essential to mediocre.
Xenoblade is the new Final Fantasy.
Re: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Just Won Two More Awards
@TruthisRare
I think it was a good enough sequel, but not on par with BotW. TotK is just too much of a mess too often.
Re: The Luigi's Mansion 2 HD Box Art Has Been Revealed
The "realistic" ghosts were the whole draw of the first game. I heard they ditched them for the sequel. Boos and slimes are just boring, not creepy.
Re: You Can Now Buy Your Very Own Sheikah Slate From Zelda: Breath Of The Wild
It should at least have a photograph mode
Re: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Wins D.I.C.E. Awards 'Adventure Game Of The Year'
@OldGamer999
Yeah, the story of totK was easily more intense and epic than BG3's story. Execution over complexity: it doesn't matter how long or complex the story is if it doesn't make you feel anything. Larian studios are not good storytellers.
Re: Nintendo Has Seemingly Filed More Patents For Mario Wonder And Zelda: TOTK
@ancientlii
Nuts and Bolts, the game that plays nothing like TotK.
Re: Random: This Zelda: TOTK Rupee Glitch Might Be The Easiest We've Seen
@RupeeClock
They're not gonna include sheikah slate abilities to TotK, because it would break the story and render stuff such as bomb flowers meaningless.
Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Latest Update Adds New amiibo Support, Here Are The Full Patch Notes
@Joriss
It's possible to dish more than enough damage without using chain attacks. I use them only very rarely.
Re: Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Latest Update Adds New amiibo Support, Here Are The Full Patch Notes
This is the best rpg I've ever played and shares the GOAT with BotW for me.
That being said, I'm not really interested about the whole amiibo business.
Re: Sony CEO Drums Up Hype For Nintendo's Zelda Movie
@calbeau
Isn't Jared Leto like 50 years old? Link should be about 17. Also, Tom Hardy is not big enough to be Ganondorf.
Re: Random: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Glitch Lets You Kill Any Enemy Or Boss In One Hit
I'm not interested about these obscure glitches. Normal players would never encounter them anyway.
I started BotW's Master Mode for the first time ever and damn, there are more changes than I expected. I still think BotW is the superior game since it's more grounded. Instead of flying around on some ugly contraption I find myself riding a horse to places.
Re: Memory Pak: Secret Of Mana's Dazzling World Of Colour Opened My Eyes
I didn't like this game back in the day.
Re: Soapbox: A Love Letter To My Favourite New Character In Zelda: TOTK
It's great how many ways you can support the signs. At first I simply used zonai stakes/ wood logs, until I ran out of stakes and started using stuff such as the floating platforms and stabilizers.
Re: Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door Rated For Switch By ESRB
Not interested. I've played it through several times. I'd rather get Origami King since it's still sitting on my wishlist.
Re: Soapbox: How Zelda's Bad Economy Made Weapon Degradation Great Again
The worst example of useless rupees was Twilight Princess. Every chest contained either rupees or heart piece. And you almost never needed to use the rupees for anything. The game was also so pathetically easy you really didn't need the heart pieces either outside of those you get from bosses.
In BotW you constantly needed rupees for arrows and opening the great fairies, and in TotK you'd better have some cash everytime you need to upgrade armorsets. Hearts are needed so you don't get killed instantly by stronger enemies, because unlike the earlier game they can actually hit 10 + hearts away from you if you haven't upgraded armor. In the older games enemies were much weaker.
I also like the fact there's more than rupees and heartpieces in chests.
As for weapon breaking it's a great game mechanic, imo, because it guarantees you're not using the same boring sword all the time.
That being said, TotK did it even better because you can repair the weapons if you want.
Re: GTA 6 On 'Switch 2' Would Be "Very Tricky To Pull Off", Says Digital Foundry
It doesn't really matter. The next Zelda for Switch 2 will look like it's at least a generation ahead of the console's tech. TotK shouldn't have been able to run on the normal Switch either.
@rotekps_aniger
RDR was a ps3 game originally. It's no wonder it runs without problems on the Switch. As for "GTA 6 can run on N64... I don't know what to say Even if it was somehow possible, it's not gonna be even remotely the same game at that point.
Re: PC Port Of Zelda: Link's Awakening Offers HD Visuals And 120fps Scrolling
The screen to screen movement of the original is probably the most important puzzle in the game. Great work ruining it.
Re: Zelda Producer Responds To Fans Who Want A More "Traditional Linear" Adventure
I don't think I can ever get tired of the open world formula, since the next game has a whole new world and tricks etc.
The old, linear formula, though. No more of that, thank you. It got so predictable and tiring.
As for the dungeons the old ones had more simple puzzles we've seen in a million game and they weren't really longer than the new ones, so I really don't get them why some people miss them so much.
Re: Eiji Aonuma Comments On The Possibility Of A Playable Zelda In The Future
And how would the gameplay work? Zelda is not supposed to be a fighter in the main series. I'm fine with Link handling the monsters as long as they keep on doing the good job with the series.
Re: Zelda Boss Says A "Direct Sequel" To Tears Of The Kingdom Is Unlikely
It's obvious the next Zelda will have completely new mechanics, artstyle and musical direction.
The only thing common with BotW and TotK will be the fact it's open world. And possibly Link's climbing ability.
Besides, TotK's story had a definitive ending. Ganondorf who was also the Source of earlier Calamities was destroyed. There's no more story for this version of Zelda.
Re: Round Up: Everything Announced At The Game Awards 2023 - All Switch Game Reveals & Trailers
Prince of persia looks pretty good. I feel it might be a good contender for the best 2D game for Switch, possibly with Metroid Dread.
@Friendly
I'm sure Prime 4 will be a big thing. I hope it would be a swansong for the OG Switch. As for the launch title for the next Nintendo console, I believe it will be Mario's next 3D game.
Re: The Game Awards 2023: Where And When To Watch The Game Awards
TotK should win this easily. It's the most revolutionary game of the bunch despite the fact 1/3 of it happens in the same environment as BotW.
That being said, I could swear BG3 wins.
Re: Soapbox: Zelda II: The Adventure Of Link Taught Me The Value Of Perseverance
In my opinion the only great 3D Zeldas are OOT, MM, BotW and TotK. The rest are just mediocre.
As for the 2D ones, the original, aLttP and LA are all good.
Re: Best Mario RPGs Of All Time
By the way I loved Sticker Star. Despite getting permanently stuck.
Even though Super Paper Mario is my favorite, I don't think any of these games should get less than a 7,5/ 10 rating.
Re: Soapbox: Ganondorf's Villainous Intro In Ocarina Of Time Is One Of Gaming's Best
It's the second best in the series, but nothing can beat TotK's intro Ganondorf.
Re: Best Mario RPGs Of All Time
Ugh, TTYD in the first place again. The game has too much needless backtracking. It gets boring combined with the turn- based battle. Some stages such as the jungle are really dull.
My vote goes to Super Paper Mario for the story and gameplay. Smrpg is also great.
Re: Soapbox: Zelda: Ocarina Of Time's Kokiri Forest Rivals World 1-1 As A Perfect Intro
OOT's tutorial is definitely up there with BotW's Great Plateau. Or maybe I should say "was, back in its day". If we left the tutorial out and spoke only about intro cutscenes, then I'd vote for TotK all the way.
Re: Feature: Zelda: Ocarina Of Time - Every Ocarina Song, Ranked From 'Worst' To Best
Song of Time and Prelude of Light
Re: Soapbox: Ocarina Of Time's Water Temple Was Tough, But It Doesn't Deserve Its Reputation
If the "fans" were able to create a Zelda game it would have nothing but water temple- styled dungeons and no overworld at all.
Re: Random: Ghibli-Inspired Animation Of Zelda's Castle Town Looks Even Better In Third Person
Waiting for the dumb "Nintendo hire this guy"- comments. I mean, what would his role be? Copying artstyles from others and implementing the stuff to Unreal Engine?
OOT and MM have their own artstyles. If they were to make a remake and use the ghibli- style for graphics, to me that would feel like a cheap move. And then everyone would just call it a Ghibli- Zelda. Like yeah, Nintendo would really want the name of another company associated with its highest rated game ever.
@Mgalens
Ehh... you mean more games that look like BotW/ TotK? Here's a prediction: the next Zelda game will have a completely new artstyle.
Re: Talking Point: Going Home - Ocarina Of Time's Best Locales
Hyrule Field was my favorite locale, because at the time it was a huge open space with a realistic and beautiful day and night cycle.
It's also the reason I love BotW: the whole game is like Hyrule Field except this time you can climb over those barriers.
Re: Talking Point: Does Zelda: Ocarina Of Time Need A Full Remake?
The game already had one remake for 3ds, and I still prefer the original. Of course they could completely reimagine the game like FFVII Remake, but why should they do that? The game is perfect as it is.
Besides, the FFVII Remake is actually worse than the original.
Re: Random: Nintendo Is A "Wonderful" Place To Work If You're A Genius, According To Former Employee
@LadyCharlie
Corporations are made of people. Video game corporations are made of artists, coders and innovators. You really think all these people work with the mindset of hating the people they make games for? When I made games, I did it because I wanted people to play and enjoy the ending product. Getting money for it was secondary.
Of course big companies often go money first, but to get money they need to use the talents of their passionate developers. And those developers almost always make games because they enjoy it and they want others to enjoy their products too. A little free time from the cruel world.
As for this article, the person working for Nintendo told they were good people. You think he was lying about that for no reason? Sometimes you cynics really baffle me.
A corporation can be your friend. Unless it's empty from people, but that would mean it's not even functional. That being said, I'm sure there really are developers who make games thinking nothing but money. It's usually easy to recognize their products. They look either super generic or include soft adult content.
Re: Super Mario RPG Switch Leaked Online Ahead Of Next Week's Release
It's an old game at its core so not a big deal.
Re: Talking Point: So, Who Could Play Link, Zelda, Ganondorf In The Upcoming Zelda Movie?
@FancyGamer
I actually hope we don't see human Ganondorf in the movie. Ganon, or Ganondorf should be this Sauron- level threat, not some funny guy in armor. Ganon is not supposed to be a comical villain like Bowser.
I think they nailed Ganon/ Ganondorf in BOTW and TOTK especially, but this is not animation. They have to make it work in live action.
Re: Miyamoto And Avi Arad Have Been Discussing The Zelda Movie For A Decade
I think the game might have a new story with several essential elements from the gaming series included such as the Triforce, Sages and Ganon. Simply replicating the story of OOT or aLttP is not really something I would expect from Nintendo.
Re: Best Metal Gear Games On Nintendo Systems
I don'rt agree with the list. To me, MGS 3 Subsistence is the best closely followed by MGS 2.
Re: Zelda Voted 'Favourite' Tears Of The Kingdom Character In Recent Famitsu Survey
I would've voted for Ganondorf. Definitely the most impressive version of the character ever.
Re: Super Mario Bros. Wonder Is The Fastest-Selling Mario Game Ever In Europe
My thorough analysis concerning this situation:
Wowie Zowie!
Re: Best Sonic Games Of All Time
Looking at these games, Sonic seems to be all over the place both thematically and quality- wise.
He's very much like Mega Man, the first 3 games were golden and then it all just went derivative/ obscure.
Re: Poll: So, Will You Be Getting Super Mario Bros. Wonder?
Let's see I could order this, the MGS collection or pre- order SM RPG.
Who am I kidding. Why would I prefer playing games I've already beaten multiple times before. Of course Wonder is my first choice.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Are In For Sonic Superstars
Sonic is forever worse than Mario
Re: Random: One "New" Wii U Was Apparently Sold In The US Last Month
Wyh would any retailer even have them?
Re: It's Over, Microsoft Has Officially Acquired Activision Blizzard
It kind f funny to be Nintendo player. None of these deals affect to the quality of games we get. As long as Nintendo has their own first party stuff, Monolith and Retro it's all fine to me.
Re: Zelda: Breath Of The Wild Tops Another 'Greatest Games' List
@Reztobi
TotK has at least 3 times the landmass of BotW when you count all the sky islands, caves, wells and the Depths together. And of course there are changes on the surface, all new story, all new shrines (152 of them), all new quests, all new dungeons, all new mechanics, bosses, etc... saying that BotW is 70% of TotK is the most false thing I've heard.
Then again, if you only played 10- 15 hours you must've barely gotten out of the tutorial area which can easily take 10 hours first time.
Re: Zelda: Breath Of The Wild Tops Another 'Greatest Games' List
People at resetera saying "TotK is an improvement of BotW" couldn't be more wrong. I've made several lists with a case of how BotW does almost every basic thing better than TotK. BotW is not better simply because it was released first- it's better as a game
Re: Soapbox: TOTK's Ganondorf Is Great, But Zelda Needs To Do More With Its Villain
@keatypoo
Lol , I disagree. Demise feels like a braggart who's all talk and no action.
Compared to TotK's Ganondorf, the presentation of Demise is nowhere near as menacing or epic. TotK's intro scene with Ganondorf awakening alone is more intense than anything Demise ever did.
Demise is also one of those bosses who are introduced way too late in the game. Sure, there's the Imprisoned but actual Demise appears when the game is pretty much over. Lame. Reminds me of TP Ganon's late arrival.
Totk's Ganondorf's feats and the final battle also blows Demise out of the water.
Demise is a Ganondorf wannabe despite the fact he precedes Ganon lorewise.
Re: Soapbox: TOTK's Ganondorf Is Great, But Zelda Needs To Do More With Its Villain
TotK has the best Ganondorf by a landslide. Not only his epic presentation, but also the feats! You ask what he's been doing? Let's make a list:
In the past he
In the current day he
Compare this to WW Ganon for example who just kind of kidnapped some kids and managed to ravage one island... also, his presentation was weak as hell. Losing a little kid in a sword fight... now that was lackluster.
Looking at the comments some people seem to have nostalgia goggles on. Here's my list of best Ganon's from best to worst:
1. TotK
2. ALttP
3. OOT
4. BotW
5. TP
6. WW
7. The wannabe Ganon called Demise
8. NES Zelda
Re: Netflix Expands Its Animation Line-Up With Tomb Raider, Devil May Cry, More
Just finished the first season of Castlevania: Nocturne. It was phenomenal. These series will have to do miracles if they want to top that.