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It's the second best in the series, but nothing can beat TotK's intro Ganondorf.

Ugh, TTYD in the first place again. The game has too much needless backtracking. It gets boring combined with the turn- based battle. Some stages such as the jungle are really dull.

My vote goes to Super Paper Mario for the story and gameplay. Smrpg is also great.

OOT's tutorial is definitely up there with BotW's Great Plateau. Or maybe I should say "was, back in its day". If we left the tutorial out and spoke only about intro cutscenes, then I'd vote for TotK all the way.

Song of Time and Prelude of Light

If the "fans" were able to create a Zelda game it would have nothing but water temple- styled dungeons and no overworld at all.

Waiting for the dumb "Nintendo hire this guy"- comments. I mean, what would his role be? Copying artstyles from others and implementing the stuff to Unreal Engine?

OOT and MM have their own artstyles. If they were to make a remake and use the ghibli- style for graphics, to me that would feel like a cheap move. And then everyone would just call it a Ghibli- Zelda. Like yeah, Nintendo would really want the name of another company associated with its highest rated game ever.

@Mgalens
Ehh... you mean more games that look like BotW/ TotK? Here's a prediction: the next Zelda game will have a completely new artstyle.

Hyrule Field was my favorite locale, because at the time it was a huge open space with a realistic and beautiful day and night cycle.

It's also the reason I love BotW: the whole game is like Hyrule Field except this time you can climb over those barriers.

The game already had one remake for 3ds, and I still prefer the original. Of course they could completely reimagine the game like FFVII Remake, but why should they do that? The game is perfect as it is.

Besides, the FFVII Remake is actually worse than the original.

@LadyCharlie
Corporations are made of people. Video game corporations are made of artists, coders and innovators. You really think all these people work with the mindset of hating the people they make games for? When I made games, I did it because I wanted people to play and enjoy the ending product. Getting money for it was secondary.

Of course big companies often go money first, but to get money they need to use the talents of their passionate developers. And those developers almost always make games because they enjoy it and they want others to enjoy their products too. A little free time from the cruel world.

As for this article, the person working for Nintendo told they were good people. You think he was lying about that for no reason? Sometimes you cynics really baffle me.

A corporation can be your friend. Unless it's empty from people, but that would mean it's not even functional. That being said, I'm sure there really are developers who make games thinking nothing but money. It's usually easy to recognize their products. They look either super generic or include soft adult content.

It's an old game at its core so not a big deal.

@FancyGamer
I actually hope we don't see human Ganondorf in the movie. Ganon, or Ganondorf should be this Sauron- level threat, not some funny guy in armor. Ganon is not supposed to be a comical villain like Bowser.

I think they nailed Ganon/ Ganondorf in BOTW and TOTK especially, but this is not animation. They have to make it work in live action.

I think the game might have a new story with several essential elements from the gaming series included such as the Triforce, Sages and Ganon. Simply replicating the story of OOT or aLttP is not really something I would expect from Nintendo.

I don'rt agree with the list. To me, MGS 3 Subsistence is the best closely followed by MGS 2.

I would've voted for Ganondorf. Definitely the most impressive version of the character ever.

My thorough analysis concerning this situation:

Wowie Zowie!

Looking at these games, Sonic seems to be all over the place both thematically and quality- wise.

He's very much like Mega Man, the first 3 games were golden and then it all just went derivative/ obscure.

Let's see I could order this, the MGS collection or pre- order SM RPG.

Who am I kidding. Why would I prefer playing games I've already beaten multiple times before. Of course Wonder is my first choice.

Sonic is forever worse than Mario

Wyh would any retailer even have them?

It kind f funny to be Nintendo player. None of these deals affect to the quality of games we get. As long as Nintendo has their own first party stuff, Monolith and Retro it's all fine to me.

@Reztobi
TotK has at least 3 times the landmass of BotW when you count all the sky islands, caves, wells and the Depths together. And of course there are changes on the surface, all new story, all new shrines (152 of them), all new quests, all new dungeons, all new mechanics, bosses, etc... saying that BotW is 70% of TotK is the most false thing I've heard.

Then again, if you only played 10- 15 hours you must've barely gotten out of the tutorial area which can easily take 10 hours first time.

People at resetera saying "TotK is an improvement of BotW" couldn't be more wrong. I've made several lists with a case of how BotW does almost every basic thing better than TotK. BotW is not better simply because it was released first- it's better as a game

@keatypoo
Lol , I disagree. Demise feels like a braggart who's all talk and no action.

Compared to TotK's Ganondorf, the presentation of Demise is nowhere near as menacing or epic. TotK's intro scene with Ganondorf awakening alone is more intense than anything Demise ever did.

Demise is also one of those bosses who are introduced way too late in the game. Sure, there's the Imprisoned but actual Demise appears when the game is pretty much over. Lame. Reminds me of TP Ganon's late arrival.

Totk's Ganondorf's feats and the final battle also blows Demise out of the water.

Demise is a Ganondorf wannabe despite the fact he precedes Ganon lorewise.

TotK has the best Ganondorf by a landslide. Not only his epic presentation, but also the feats! You ask what he's been doing? Let's make a list:

In the past he

• created all the monsters in Hyrule
• created the blood moon
• waged war on Hyrule and almost won
• Killed Sonia and countless others in the war

In the current day he

• Was the cause of all calamity Ganon events that lead to destruction of central Hyrule and the castle, and killed all the champions except Link with the blights.
• Is the cause of all regional calamities in TotK. The sandstorm in Gerudo region, freezing Rito Village, polluting zora's domain, poisoning the Deku Tree and drugging the Gorons. The boss monsters and puppet Zelda causing them are his direct extensions. You can see the bosses share his eyes.
• Gloom Hands and phantom Ganons are also his extensions. The phantoms are his direct extensions. Why should he get off his throne when he can do it remotely? Wouldn't it be anticlimactic as hell if Ganon himself walked on the surface doing everything by himself?
• Caused the gloom to spread, decaying weapons and making people sick
• the monsters in TotK seem to be more disciplined, carrying out his will on the surface

Compare this to WW Ganon for example who just kind of kidnapped some kids and managed to ravage one island... also, his presentation was weak as hell. Losing a little kid in a sword fight... now that was lackluster.

Looking at the comments some people seem to have nostalgia goggles on. Here's my list of best Ganon's from best to worst:

1. TotK
2. ALttP
3. OOT
4. BotW
5. TP
6. WW
7. The wannabe Ganon called Demise
8. NES Zelda

Just finished the first season of Castlevania: Nocturne. It was phenomenal. These series will have to do miracles if they want to top that.

Gta V would actually run well on the Switch. RDR2? I don't think so.

@TheMegaMarshtomp
Agreed. I highly prefer BotW. TotK just seems so full of stuff. Too much controls makes the controls bad. Too much clutter on the environment makes it look bad. Too much items to fuse makes the weapons look bad. Too much chatter from npcs makes the dialogue bad. Too much space makes the space look empty and meaningless (looking at you, Depths and caves). Too much characters aiding you makes playing bad... although you can at least turn the sages off.

The list goes on. BotW had just the right amount of everything. A perfect game followed by an overstuffed mess. Which I still enjoyed because the foundation is so good.

Is it the Fire Temple?

@Dazman
You don't need to worry about that. Nintendo would rather die than sell themselves. They've got certain pride most other companies don't have. Last time Microsoft proposed that they got laughed at.

They will never be able to buy Nintendo

L and R buttons are not really useful for drifting turns in F Zero. They're used more for general adjustment of the vehicle when you're on a straight line. I can see many people having this misconception because of Mario Kart.

Armored Core sells just because it's a From Software game. I bet many are disappointed because the game doesn't play exactly like the Souls games.
@Truthisrare
It's not just you. To me, BotW is clearly the superior game mainly because it's more grounded and controls better. Sometimes less is more and if you just keep on adding more on top of more, you get a cluster****.

Good news but my favorite is Super Paper Mario

The normal Switch already runs TotK- a game with the most advanced physics engine in the market. I can only wonder what they can do with more powerful hardware.

As for the graphics... I guess we could get more games with photorealistic artstyle. Cartoony games reached the graphical peak already on the Wii U.

(That being said Alien Isolation for the Switch is already photorealistic, so...)

This just confirms that

1. Both BotW and the following TotK happen in a future long after the events of the previous games

2. Not only Link and Zelda, but also Ganondorf can be reborn as a different character with the same characteristics as his previous incarnations

@bunkerneath
The events of BotW are repeatedly told or shown in TotK so it's an obvious sequel. It's just not the school part where the whole story of BotW is directly mentioned, but it's everywhere starting from the regional villages. I believe the old shrines and Divine Beasts were removed just for gameplay reasons, but there could be any story explanation for their disappearance.

As for Calamity Ganon, it was the Malice leaking out of Ganondorf's mummy that created all the Calamity Ganons in history.

The best way to mine rock walls is fusing a zonai cannon on a stake, putting it on the floor facing the wall and hit it. You can also move this cannon around with ultrahand all the while it destroys the walls.

A bit out of subject, but I've had it with indie games. I've been disappointed to almost all of the most popular ones.

Dead Cells was so boring I never got too far in it.

Guacamelee 1 was decent but nowhere close to the best Metroidvania's. Guacamelee 2 is almost the same game except with a worse story. It's bad imo.

Hollow Knight was good while it lasted. Not a masterpiece, but a good game.

Celeste just plain sucks. The most overrated game I've played.

Ori and the Blind Forest. It's got nice visuals but I felt like I've played the same game a million times before. It's hard to put my finger on why it was so boring.

Axiom Verge is like Metroid 1 for NES. Except with better controls and a really bad writing. I couldn't force myself to finish it.

That's just a few examples. The only indie game I'm waiting is Hollow Knight Silksong, hoping it would improve the first one a lot.

As for Soulslike games, the only good ones are from From Software.

So, did they fix the final dupe glitch?

Turok 2 has the best FPS single player campaign ever after Metroid Prime.

I would like to know how Turok 3 compares to that? I never played other entries than the second and I really loved the music, different weapons and the labyrinthine level design.

It's gonna be between TotK and BG3. I hope TotK Wins most of them because it does revolutionary things with Link's abilities and world structure, unlike BG 3 which is basically just DOS2 on steroids.

And if you ask me, Divinity OS2 sucked. Bad writing, bad characters and bad story is not a good thing in rpg.

Divinity OS2 was one of the worst rpgs ever and I remember it getting high reviews despite horrible writing, dull story and annoying characters. I haven't played bg3 though. Can anyone confirm whether it has the same flaws as DOS2?

What baffles me is how everyone praises the fact the game has no microtransactions, ingame purchases, paywalls, etc. I mean, the same is true for pretty much every Nintendo game. Why are they not praised for the same reason?

They didn't have to bother. Other developers are still wondering how to even start coding something like TotK.

FFs you shouldn't include identical releases. How does it make sense the gc version of Pikmin 2 is a lot higher on the list than the Switch version which is identical except with a higher resolution?

I haven't played Pikmin 4, so for me 3 was the best entry so far.

The weather does affect the Sky Islands, though. At least I remember it being cold over Hebra.
@Axecon
That would be a great idea, but makes me wonder how it would affect to the performance.

Just don't release the Switch successor too soon. If they waited like 3 more years for 10 year lifespan I'm sure the Switch could break the record.

Of course this would require 1 or 2 serious heavy hitter exclusives... and I'm not sure if they have anything else but MP 4 and Mario Wonder coming. Then again, TotK might keep on selling well far in the future.

@Axecon
You could argue the same for ps2 since it also had a lite version.

I really don't care too much about Wind Waker, Twilight Princess or Skyward Sword. None of them really did anything new we hadn't already seen in other, better 3d Zelda games before them. Well, perhaps not counting the open world of WW, but then again other games such as San Andreas did it better at the time.

To me, the best Zelda games are the NES original, A Link to the Past, Link's Awakening, OOT, MM, BotW and TotK. These are the most revolutionary entries that actually pushed the medium forward.

If I had to choose the absolute best entry, I guess it would have to be TotK since BotW was like my dream game and TotK is Botw times 10 in terms of both scale and the revolutionary abilities. There's really nothing like it on the market.

My sister tried to play Twilight Princess after BotW and she found it boring, small and restricted in comparison. She doesn't even play games normally even though she's tried some, but when she accidentally got a Wii U and tried BotW it still blew her socks off. I've heard a lot of similar stories about BotW and TotK and they basically prove nostalgia for the series doesn't have anything to do with the quality of these games.

This is just to disprove the tired arguments about BotW and TotK getting good reviews just because the reviewers have nostalgia for the series.

It's the best 2.5d game of all time for sure.

@Rudolf
And what about the Castlevania games from the Advance collection? They are definitely Metroidvania's, and a lot better than stuff like Axiom Verge or Guacamelee 2. Actually, I did slightly enjoy the first Guacamelee but the second game was just too much the same with less interesting story.

Where are all the Metroid games? Are they not part of Metroidvania genre? Because if they were, Dread is the best there is closely followed by Hollow Knight.

Also, Castlevania Advance collection games are definitely Metroidvania's and they should be up there.

This should be called the best indie Metroidvania's.

The only Metroidvania's I've found good are Metroids and the 2d Castlevanias from the genre. And Hollow Knight I suppose.