@shani
"And what is this "certain price/performance ratio" supposed to mean? I think they don't exist"
It does exist. It's basically "how much does cost to make/buy : how fast it is compared to it's competitors at the time of release". You want to keep it as low as possible.
"So a hybrid console would actually increase such a price/performance ratio."
You don't know what "ratio" means, do you?
"First of all, not everyone buys a new model every year."
You understimate how naive regular people are. Especially Apple/Samsung fans.
"Paying 250-300 for a device that replaces two other devices that right now cost you 450-500 combined isn't expensive at all."
'Jack of all trades, master of none', pal. I already explained the reasons.
@westman98
That pretty much kills the hybrid idea dead.
@shani What I meant is that handhelds and consoles are constrained by a certain price/performance ratio: attempting to mix up both in a single device would pretty much result on a compromised price/performance ratio (you either end up with a really expensive (250+USD) handheld -which is pretty much suicide in this age- or you end up with an underpowered console -sure you can output to the TV, but it won't be at the level of the current consoles due processing and storage constraints-)
Bringing smartphones and tablets into a power argument is risible since those are replaced every single year becuase that market is very different from dedicated gaming systems hardware-wise.
@westman98 that's what I'm thinking as well. No way a hybrid console will ever work in the real world due the different price/performance ratios for consoles and handhelds.
OT: I think a "director's cut" of MK8 is more likely. Or a SMG(2) o even a Metroid Prime Trilogy HD remaster can do the trick.
SMS revealed themselves to be filthy snakes when it was revealed pCars had nVidia Gameworks BS that made AMD and not-so-old nVidia card users have performance issues
@Kaze_Memaryu you know several fighting games are first released on arcade first, then ported to consoles right? Arcade versions are pretty much "figure it out" affairs whose feedback from users end up as tutorial/challenge material for console versions; Smash has not such "luxury" in that regard.
@Kaze_Memaryu As far as I know no fighting or FPS games will give you hints on advanced techniques/mechanics, since its the player's job to uncover or even making them up via exploiting programming quirks (like move cancelling or rocketjumping)
@GMB-001 "And this is also why western developers usually prefer to work with PCs and powerful consoles instead of Handhelds like the 3DS or the Vita, They just don't want to bother with being efficient and fully utilize the hardware's capabilities, they just want to make games quickly and be done with it, that's why you usually see glitches, bugs, game freezes and broken games more frequently with western developers than Japanese ones.. EA, Activison, MS, Ubisoft, LJN and the biggest offender of them all; Bethesda."
They are even getting lazy or incompetent in the PC front: just look at Arkham Knight for PC
When you make a petition to get a game cancelled because you don't like it, that's pretty much the point when it stops being the dev/pub problem and it starts being yours
You are within your right to be disappointed or upset, but you gotta have some degree of restraint, for God's sake.
"In December 2014, Mikael Hed laidoff 110 employees after net profits halved in 2013 due to its recent games, Angry Birds Epic and Go!, which have not being that successful as past games.[24] Rovio closed its Tampere studio, moving its operations to Espoo.
Rovio Entertainment suffered from a 73% decrease in profit, earning only â¬10 million in 2014. Chief executive Pekka Rantala later stated that the decrease is due to the poor sales of the licensed merchandise and the by-products of Angry Birds. He also noted that "the company are unsatisfied over the result of our licensing business".[25]"
@Koz @Hy8ogen Achievements are utterly meaningless in themselves. It's basically like the stupid golden star they give you in preschool. And they become even more meaningless if they are given for rather trivial stuff.
I'd rather have something like the Reward Card system of NFS Carbon (do certain tasks and you unlock stuff)
@Nintendian "That Need for speed is not a good example. It's basically a port" Please show me where the game was developed in other platform than iOS/Android before first, unless you want to come up with a solipisist as hell definition of "port"
"Don't estimate the touchscreen control, Nintendo developed their games based on the input device before anything else, they are the master of interactivity. They will find a novel way to use the touchscreen that will surprise everyone!" Have you tried to use a virtual d-pad for more than 20 minutes? Your hands get sweaty and it literally halts your inputs to a standstill. That's why the touchscreen alone can't beat traditional controllers.
Translation: "we failed at the AAA game so we are going to mobile to raise quick cash and then become nobodies when somebody else gets it's 15 minutes of fame"
@ikki5 "Yes, the Saturn did a little worse than the Dreamcast but it wasn't what buried Sega for the console Market. The Dreamcast did that."
No, Sega was already dead when they released the Dreamcast. The whole Sega CD/32X/Saturn ordeal burned through their finances and consumer trust, and the DC's R&D did also burned quite a lot of money.
Sega was pretty much edging on bankrrupcy when the DC came out and although the console itself was right, Sega couldn't sustain it when the PS2 came around and the whole thing just came apart.
@Quorthon
"I simply do not understand why anyone thinks a major corporation would want to continue applying band-aids to the massive hemorrhaging wound they have in the Wii U. Continuing with a failing product is quite simply not good business.
Continuing with the Wii U is like deliberately choosing to marginalize your company's profits. Many of you (here, on this site, etc) would no doubt quickly ask "why does Microsoft even bother with Japan?" Or have said the same about the Vita (which may well be turning a new leaf this year), but you refuse to say the same for the Wii U. (To be fair, here, the XBO is not Microsoft's most important product, and neither is the Vita for Sony. The losses they are incurring are not nearly as damaging as the public failure of the Wii U, which is the signature backbone of Nintendo's business model.)
From the business perspective, the Wii U is a rat tail in a Big Mac. The longer Nintendo sticks with this losing horse, the worse things will be for them. Again, I bought this on day one, I have loved the console, but I am facing reality here. The reality is that Nintendo needs to drop it for the good of the company."
That reasoning would be true if the Wii U was a through-and-through stinker both in itself and in sales (which isn't the case). While the Wii U is faltering in hardware sales, the software attach rate is what it justifies the continued support Nintendo gives to it (alongside the cushioning 3DS sales give). That's why they can't kill the Wii U right now: that would kill whatever console consumer base they have by doing so, it's preferable to lose some money riding it out than losing existing customers by straight up axing it since the latter is a bigger loss.
Peach: cool, but too damn OOC
Samus: totally missing the point (please tell me how you're going to shove all that obnoxious gear into her Power Suit
Great Fairy: that one is actually nice.
Chun-Li: like the Samus case above (I see that outfit actually limiting her movement)
Seriously, some people should do some basic research on characters before touching them.
I'm kinda wary of the "genderbending Link" idea. Not because it's bad on itself, but the reason why its done: the people who are making the most noise with that idea its because they want to earn some "progressive points", and that's bad because they think the intention will make up for shoddy execution.
We can just wait and see how the mobile side of things unfold.
Also, why people in here takes the NX as the next console like if they are some sort of clarivoyant? It's more likely to be first the 3DS successsor given the timing (2016 showing, possible 2017 release), not to mention that might be the first of Nintendo systems who share architechture and OS between console and handheld form factors.
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Re: Editorial: Super Smash Bros. Should be Integral to Nintendo's NX Future
@shani
"And what is this "certain price/performance ratio" supposed to mean? I think they don't exist"
It does exist. It's basically "how much does cost to make/buy : how fast it is compared to it's competitors at the time of release". You want to keep it as low as possible.
"So a hybrid console would actually increase such a price/performance ratio."
You don't know what "ratio" means, do you?
"First of all, not everyone buys a new model every year."
You understimate how naive regular people are. Especially Apple/Samsung fans.
"Paying 250-300 for a device that replaces two other devices that right now cost you 450-500 combined isn't expensive at all."
'Jack of all trades, master of none', pal. I already explained the reasons.
@westman98
That pretty much kills the hybrid idea dead.
Re: Editorial: Super Smash Bros. Should be Integral to Nintendo's NX Future
@shani What I meant is that handhelds and consoles are constrained by a certain price/performance ratio: attempting to mix up both in a single device would pretty much result on a compromised price/performance ratio (you either end up with a really expensive (250+USD) handheld -which is pretty much suicide in this age- or you end up with an underpowered console -sure you can output to the TV, but it won't be at the level of the current consoles due processing and storage constraints-)
Bringing smartphones and tablets into a power argument is risible since those are replaced every single year becuase that market is very different from dedicated gaming systems hardware-wise.
Re: Editorial: Super Smash Bros. Should be Integral to Nintendo's NX Future
@westman98 that's what I'm thinking as well. No way a hybrid console will ever work in the real world due the different price/performance ratios for consoles and handhelds.
OT: I think a "director's cut" of MK8 is more likely. Or a SMG(2) o even a Metroid Prime Trilogy HD remaster can do the trick.
Re: Nintendo Quality Of Life Patent Applications Appear Online
I don't see anything of this pointing at the NX
stop with the b8, pls
Re: If Nintendo Did Decide To Make A Smartphone, We'd Want It To Look Like This
A slider design with a 2nd screen in it would be better
Re: Exclusive: Project CARS "Simply Too Much For Wii U", Developer Now Waiting On New Nintendo Hardware
@Gso PS4 and XBO use AMD APUs, so... no
Re: Industry Analysts Speculate On Nintendo's Future And Satoru Iwata's Possible Successor
>Pachter

Re: Exclusive: Project CARS "Simply Too Much For Wii U", Developer Now Waiting On New Nintendo Hardware
SMS revealed themselves to be filthy snakes when it was revealed pCars had nVidia Gameworks BS that made AMD and not-so-old nVidia card users have performance issues
Re: Devil's Third is Being Published by Nintendo of America in Q4, Also Coming to PC as 'Free-to-Start' Title
That was unexpected
Re: Talking Point: Competitive Gaming With Super Smash Bros. and More Can Be Vital for Nintendo
@Kaze_Memaryu you know several fighting games are first released on arcade first, then ported to consoles right? Arcade versions are pretty much "figure it out" affairs whose feedback from users end up as tutorial/challenge material for console versions; Smash has not such "luxury" in that regard.
Re: Talking Point: Competitive Gaming With Super Smash Bros. and More Can Be Vital for Nintendo
@Kaze_Memaryu As far as I know no fighting or FPS games will give you hints on advanced techniques/mechanics, since its the player's job to uncover or even making them up via exploiting programming quirks (like move cancelling or rocketjumping)
It also takes away some of the fun
Re: Interview: Senran Kagura Producer KenichirÅ Takaki Bares All
"Senran Kagura x Splatoon?"
That a rapid-fire money printer right there
Re: Nintendo President Satoru Iwata Passes Away Aged 55
No way he's dead.
No way.
Re: Nintendo of America Confirms Plans to Bring Devil's Third to Region
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Re: Devil's Third Will Be Released In North America, Just Not By Nintendo
The game is still coming to NA, why are you getting mad?
Re: Unseen64 Digs Up Development Insights Into Metroid Prime: Hunters, Dread and Federation Force
@Quorthon Nah, Fusion was OK and I like where the ending leads to.
Re: DeNA Executive Confirms Plans For Five Nintendo Smart Device Games in Five Genres
@McoobabWATP
>Mach Rider
holy crap, that could work
Re: Unseen64 Digs Up Development Insights Into Metroid Prime: Hunters, Dread and Federation Force
@Quorthon All they have to do is simply retcon the hell out of Other M and pick up from either Fusion or Prime 3 since there are loose ends
Re: Gunpei Yokoi Discusses The Struggle To Make The Game Boy In One Of His Last Interviews
@GMB-001
"And this is also why western developers usually prefer to work with PCs and powerful consoles instead of Handhelds like the 3DS or the Vita, They just don't want to bother with being efficient and fully utilize the hardware's capabilities, they just want to make games quickly and be done with it, that's why you usually see glitches, bugs, game freezes and broken games more frequently with western developers than Japanese ones.. EA, Activison, MS, Ubisoft, LJN and the biggest offender of them all; Bethesda."
They are even getting lazy or incompetent in the PC front: just look at Arkham Knight for PC
Re: Talking Point: Raw Power Isn't Vital to Nintendo's NX, But It Does Matter
Feel free to express your opinions without using profanity in the future.
Danke,
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Re: Rumour: Nintendo NX Won't Be As Powerful As PlayStation 4
>all the people taking this rumor as a fact set on stone

you guys are so embarrassedly gullible to the point of causing me physical pain
Re: Rumour: Nintendo NX Shipping This Time Next Year, 20 Million Sales Targeted In First 12 Months
I might get a couple of this after hearing these news

The Feb/Mar 2016 release date is rather implausible: I bet on a late 2016/early 2017 release if Nintendo is working on NX launch games
Re: Nintendo NX Will Avoid The Launch Issues Which Plagued 3DS And Wii U, Claims Iwata
So what I'm gathering is that Nintendo might transition from the Wii U/3DS to the NX slower than previous gens.
Re: Blast Ball is Actually the Tutorial in Metroid Prime: Federation Force, With an Intriguing Story Promised
Most of the comment section needs to get a grip

Re: Masahiro Sakurai Confirms That Recent Super Smash Bros. DLC Additions Weren't From the Fan Ballot
Terry Bogard or bust
Re: Exclusive: We Almost Got A Wii U F-Zero Created By Burnout Studio Criterion
goshdang it, EA...
Re: Editorial: Nintendo's Approach to amiibo is Increasingly Frustrating
I think Nintendo simply underestimated (certain) amiibo demand while having their hands tied on resources.
Re: Nintendo Is A Slave To Its Past Success, Says Gearbox President Randy Pitchford
"what are Splatoon and Codename STEAM?"
He would have been right before E3 '14
Re: Talking Point: Metroid Prime: Federation Force and Entitled Fury
@bezerker99
>implying that petition would amount to anything
>implying those 7000+ people aren't making fools out of themselves
Re: Talking Point: Metroid Prime: Federation Force and Entitled Fury
When you make a petition to get a game cancelled because you don't like it, that's pretty much the point when it stops being the dev/pub problem and it starts being yours
You are within your right to be disappointed or upset, but you gotta have some degree of restraint, for God's sake.
Re: Just Dance 2016 is Bringing Its Funky Moves to Wii U and Wii
So it's nothing
Re: The First Mother Game Is Finally Coming To The West As EarthBound Beginnings
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Re: Project CARS Studio Boss Admits to Problems With Wii U Version, Hoping For Nintendo Hardware Announcement at E3
Oh SMS, first the Gameworks blunder and now this.
Re: Nintendo President Satoru Iwata Is Skipping E3 Again This Year
I need a gangsta shoop of that pic
"Me 'n mah boys gonna mess you up"
Re: Mobile Is Konami's Future, According To President Hideki Hayakawa
@Dr_Lugae
holy crap it's true
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rovio_Entertainment#History
"In December 2014, Mikael Hed laidoff 110 employees after net profits halved in 2013 due to its recent games, Angry Birds Epic and Go!, which have not being that successful as past games.[24] Rovio closed its Tampere studio, moving its operations to Espoo.
Rovio Entertainment suffered from a 73% decrease in profit, earning only â¬10 million in 2014. Chief executive Pekka Rantala later stated that the decrease is due to the poor sales of the licensed merchandise and the by-products of Angry Birds. He also noted that "the company are unsatisfied over the result of our licensing business".[25]"
Re: Satoru Iwata Highlights The Planned Connectivity of the Club Nintendo Replacement
@Koz @Hy8ogen Achievements are utterly meaningless in themselves. It's basically like the stupid golden star they give you in preschool. And they become even more meaningless if they are given for rather trivial stuff.
I'd rather have something like the Reward Card system of NFS Carbon (do certain tasks and you unlock stuff)
Re: Mobile Is Konami's Future, According To President Hideki Hayakawa
@Nintendian
"That Need for speed is not a good example. It's basically a port"
Please show me where the game was developed in other platform than iOS/Android before first, unless you want to come up with a solipisist as hell definition of "port"
"Don't estimate the touchscreen control, Nintendo developed their games based on the input device before anything else, they are the master of interactivity. They will find a novel way to use the touchscreen that will surprise everyone!"
Have you tried to use a virtual d-pad for more than 20 minutes? Your hands get sweaty and it literally halts your inputs to a standstill. That's why the touchscreen alone can't beat traditional controllers.
Re: Mobile Is Konami's Future, According To President Hideki Hayakawa
@Nintendian
"Console quality games are now possible, years ago probably not."
define "console quality", because that's a moving target.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX3F7OF6qKo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkQZgX-_T1M
Mobile games are still weak, partly because of power and partly because of the default control (touch screens are limited compared with gamepads)
Re: Mobile Is Konami's Future, According To President Hideki Hayakawa
Translation: "we failed at the AAA game so we are going to mobile to raise quick cash and then become nobodies when somebody else gets it's 15 minutes of fame"
Re: Nintendo Announces Its Plans for E3 2015, Headlined By New Nintendo World Championships
the ending... my sides are in orbit
Re: Xenoblade Chronicles X and Dragon Quest Help Wii U to Top Spot in Japan
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Re: Nintendo Highlights Increased US Hardware Sales for Wii U and 3DS in 2015
@ikki5
"Yes, the Saturn did a little worse than the Dreamcast but it wasn't what buried Sega for the console Market. The Dreamcast did that."
No, Sega was already dead when they released the Dreamcast. The whole Sega CD/32X/Saturn ordeal burned through their finances and consumer trust, and the DC's R&D did also burned quite a lot of money.
Sega was pretty much edging on bankrrupcy when the DC came out and although the console itself was right, Sega couldn't sustain it when the PS2 came around and the whole thing just came apart.
Re: Video: Xenoblade Chronicles X May Have Been Subject to a Slight Graphics Downgrade
I put my money on the "E3 intial cutscene was pre-rendered" camp.
Re: Talking Point: It's Too Early to Write Off the Wii U Over The Legend of Zelda's Delay
@Hotfusion
"Personally I would kick the fanboys and try to appeal to the masses. A handful of fanboys ain't going to bring home the bacon."
And why not keep both? It's not like they are mutually exclusive.
Re: Talking Point: It's Too Early to Write Off the Wii U Over The Legend of Zelda's Delay
@Quorthon
"I simply do not understand why anyone thinks a major corporation would want to continue applying band-aids to the massive hemorrhaging wound they have in the Wii U. Continuing with a failing product is quite simply not good business.
Continuing with the Wii U is like deliberately choosing to marginalize your company's profits. Many of you (here, on this site, etc) would no doubt quickly ask "why does Microsoft even bother with Japan?" Or have said the same about the Vita (which may well be turning a new leaf this year), but you refuse to say the same for the Wii U. (To be fair, here, the XBO is not Microsoft's most important product, and neither is the Vita for Sony. The losses they are incurring are not nearly as damaging as the public failure of the Wii U, which is the signature backbone of Nintendo's business model.)
From the business perspective, the Wii U is a rat tail in a Big Mac. The longer Nintendo sticks with this losing horse, the worse things will be for them. Again, I bought this on day one, I have loved the console, but I am facing reality here. The reality is that Nintendo needs to drop it for the good of the company."
That reasoning would be true if the Wii U was a through-and-through stinker both in itself and in sales (which isn't the case). While the Wii U is faltering in hardware sales, the software attach rate is what it justifies the continued support Nintendo gives to it (alongside the cushioning 3DS sales give). That's why they can't kill the Wii U right now: that would kill whatever console consumer base they have by doing so, it's preferable to lose some money riding it out than losing existing customers by straight up axing it since the latter is a bigger loss.
Re: Gallery: These Artistic Recreations of Women Characters Set a Different Tone
Peach: cool, but too damn OOC
Samus: totally missing the point (please tell me how you're going to shove all that obnoxious gear into her Power Suit
Great Fairy: that one is actually nice.
Chun-Li: like the Samus case above (I see that outfit actually limiting her movement)
Seriously, some people should do some basic research on characters before touching them.
Re: Talking Point: The Legend of Zelda on Wii U May Benefit From a Delay, But It Leaves a Blockbuster-Sized Gap
I have the feeling Devil's Third will be this year's blockbuster for Nintendo in lieu of Zelda.
Re: Game Jam Tasks Developers With Creating A Zelda Title Starring A Female Link
I'm kinda wary of the "genderbending Link" idea. Not because it's bad on itself, but the reason why its done: the people who are making the most noise with that idea its because they want to earn some "progressive points", and that's bad because they think the intention will make up for shoddy execution.
Re: Iwata: Nintendo NX Will Surprise People And Change Their Video Gaming Lives
I just hope Nintendo can extract all the potential of whatever concept they come up with
Re: Poll: Where Do You Stand On DeNA, Smart Device Games, Nintendo 'Membership' And The Nintendo NX?
We can just wait and see how the mobile side of things unfold.
Also, why people in here takes the NX as the next console like if they are some sort of clarivoyant? It's more likely to be first the 3DS successsor given the timing (2016 showing, possible 2017 release), not to mention that might be the first of Nintendo systems who share architechture and OS between console and handheld form factors.