@TheRealThanos Damn straight, man. Further price cuts would be counter productive unless Nintendo manages to lower production costs.
I mean, $250-275 would be the sweet spot for the Wii U IMO, but they just can't afford it to sell it at that price right now. It would be suicidal in the mid-term.
@rjejr Not so fast, bucko:
1-iOS is a derivative of OSX; that's why you can get and run iOS apps in your Mac.
2-Also, people does not like Windows 8 because the UI is messy. Not to mention Android and iOS has the tablet market cornered.
3-Yeah, that's a somewhat valid concern, but that does not mean they will make the same game for 2 platforms. Instead, it could make developement easier since they would need just 1 engine to run various games.
"It's certainly an interesting concept; a Nintendo OS which can run on multiple hardware configurations and promises widespread compatibility, therefore allowing you to upgrade as time goes on without losing access to older software. It also ties in with Nintendo's plans to create a more robust, account-based user system — another element of Apple and Google's software which Nintendo would do well to replicate."
@Savino Not exactly: there might be a home console and a handlheld after the Wii U and the 3DS, but the architechture between the two will be quite similar.
@unrandomsam
"They could do that immediately by releasing a Wii U with no drive and everything built in to the gamepad. (Obviously not without the risk of destroying the 3DS though)."
Please tell me who is your drug dealer. I want to try his stuff.
OT: Sounds like a kick-ass idea to unite platforms for game developement. It's a win-win situation.
Wow, I already see people feeling "betrayed", even when Nintendo stated they will stick with consoles and handhelds.
This reminds me when Porsche released the Cayenne SUV and people claimed they have sold out and the 911 will die or something. The 911 didn't die. In fact, it got better because the Cayenne provided them enough money to keep building and improving the 911. Heck, it even help to fund their halo cars (Carrera GT and the 918).
This is pretty much a similar strategy: looking for another bigger market to fund its flagship one.
No, since it will leave it at a worse position than it is now. I mean, do you think the concept of a "traditional console, but weaker than the competition (which will be greatly exagerrated, knowing the internet.)" will ever work? I don't think so. Instead, what Nintendo should look for is for ways of making Wii U's production cheaper.
However I could see the Gamepad rendered optional when the Wii U enters it's final stages of life.
Jaffe is right. Iwata needed to taste defeat so he can grow. He's a human (as everyone else), he made mistakes, and so far he's identifying what going on around him.
Of course I won't expect overnight changes, but he might be quicker next time.
@theadrock13 "and if not, then they may become like Sega and stop making consoles." No, they ain't gonna push 3-shortlived consoles in a row trying to hit the sweet spot.
At least they will double down in advertising for the next months. Which is a good thing, since they need to dust off like a mofo after the rocky as hell 2013 start.
@Squiggle55 No, axing the Wii U now will be a huge mistake. People and developers who went for the machine will get burned (Nintendo can't afford that), losing trust and worsening things up. Also, it will be more expensive than soldering on with the U this gen for the next 3-5 years, since it still has to recoup their R&D costs as much as possible.
Also, you're asking to NN to do leaps in an absurd timeframe. It's still in it's infancy, FGS. NN will be as competent as PSN or XBL in 2-3 years.
Its a rather complicated situation that leads to the continuous 3rd party catch-22 problematic (no games, no systems; no systems? no games). Somebody has to yield in, and so far Nintendo's only option is ramping up manpower to get more games out of the gate to accomplish it. I know Nintendo screwed up in some areas (like assuming western 3rd parties have a sense pf goodwill -looking at you, EA-) but 3rd parties also have a share of the blame due late/crippled ports (mainly), and oblivious to the average Nintendo audience.
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Re: Nintendo Completes Share Buyback, Including Some Holdings of Hiroshi Yamauchi's Family
@TheRealThanos no, I was talking about Capcom's money pool.
Re: Nintendo Completes Share Buyback, Including Some Holdings of Hiroshi Yamauchi's Family
@TheRealThanos whoa, that's really slim pickings.
Re: Nicalis: We'd Like To Support Europe, But Nintendo Doesn't Make The Process Easy
@PALgamer Apple's App Store, Google's Play Store and Windows Store have their own rating system.
Re: Satoru Iwata Talks Down Wii U Price Cut Prospects, 3DS to Drive Profits in 2014
@TheRealThanos
Damn straight, man. Further price cuts would be counter productive unless Nintendo manages to lower production costs.
I mean, $250-275 would be the sweet spot for the Wii U IMO, but they just can't afford it to sell it at that price right now. It would be suicidal in the mid-term.
Re: '90s Arcade Racer Targeting Mid-2014 Release, With 60fps at 720p
The tracks are pure scenery porn.
Re: Iwata Looking To Emulate iOS And Android With A Common Platform For Future Nintendo Hardware
@Bliquid
Still cherry-picking and jumping to conclusions? Let me give you the tl;dr version:
Future Nintendo consoles and handhelds will use a single platform coupled with an account-based system.
I know it's on really due time to get on that, but better later than never.
Re: Iwata Looking To Emulate iOS And Android With A Common Platform For Future Nintendo Hardware
@rjejr Not so fast, bucko:
1-iOS is a derivative of OSX; that's why you can get and run iOS apps in your Mac.
2-Also, people does not like Windows 8 because the UI is messy. Not to mention Android and iOS has the tablet market cornered.
3-Yeah, that's a somewhat valid concern, but that does not mean they will make the same game for 2 platforms. Instead, it could make developement easier since they would need just 1 engine to run various games.
Re: Nintendo Is Here To Stay And Will Do Very Well This Year, States Amazon UK Games Boss
Patel knows what's up.
Re: Iwata Looking To Emulate iOS And Android With A Common Platform For Future Nintendo Hardware
@Bliquid
"It's certainly an interesting concept; a Nintendo OS which can run on multiple hardware configurations and promises widespread compatibility, therefore allowing you to upgrade as time goes on without losing access to older software. It also ties in with Nintendo's plans to create a more robust, account-based user system — another element of Apple and Google's software which Nintendo would do well to replicate."
Selective reading too much?
Re: Iwata Looking To Emulate iOS And Android With A Common Platform For Future Nintendo Hardware
@Savino Not exactly: there might be a home console and a handlheld after the Wii U and the 3DS, but the architechture between the two will be quite similar.
Re: Iwata Looking To Emulate iOS And Android With A Common Platform For Future Nintendo Hardware
@unrandomsam
"They could do that immediately by releasing a Wii U with no drive and everything built in to the gamepad. (Obviously not without the risk of destroying the 3DS though)."
Please tell me who is your drug dealer. I want to try his stuff.
OT: Sounds like a kick-ass idea to unite platforms for game developement. It's a win-win situation.
Re: Yamauchi's Heirs Have "Desire To Sell" Shares In Nintendo, Claims Report
@MrGawain Japanese law does not allow foreign companies to buy Japanese ones, so Nintendo is sorta safe in that regard.
Re: Poll: Have Your Say on Satoru Iwata's Nintendo Strategies
@Superryanworld When you're in the red you will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to stay alive.
Re: Poll: Have Your Say on Satoru Iwata's Nintendo Strategies
@Superryanworld You know Sony is still bleeding money from the rest of their divisions, right?
Financially, they're a dead man walking.
Re: Feature: Breaking Down What Nintendo's QOL Platform Could Mean
Wow, I already see people feeling "betrayed", even when Nintendo stated they will stick with consoles and handhelds.
This reminds me when Porsche released the Cayenne SUV and people claimed they have sold out and the 911 will die or something. The 911 didn't die. In fact, it got better because the Cayenne provided them enough money to keep building and improving the 911. Heck, it even help to fund their halo cars (Carrera GT and the 918).
This is pretty much a similar strategy: looking for another bigger market to fund its flagship one.
Re: Satoru Iwata States That Nintendo Should "Abandon Old Assumptions" About Its Businesses
"we should act regally when things are bad, and be calm when things are going well."
Take notes, people.
Re: Feature: 10 Nintendo DS Games We Want To See On The Wii U Virtual Console
I'm torn between GTA and Spirit Tracks.
Re: Satoru Iwata Announces a "Quality of Life" Platform Business of "Non-Wearable" Technology
That's a bold move, Nintendo. Let's see if it pays off (I hope so)
Re: Satoru Iwata Admits The "Wii U Isn't In Good Shape" Ahead of Investor Briefing
@BinaryFragger
No, that's a botched translation.
The real deal is here: m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=98864655&postcount=651
(jesus, is there somebody who can actually read Japanese to clear this up?)
Re: Satoru Iwata Admits The "Wii U Isn't In Good Shape" Ahead of Investor Briefing
@Doma
You mean burning 6 million customers? Like Sega did in a boneheaded way with the SCD, 32X and Saturn? Nintendo can't afford that.
Nintendo has to ride out the Wii U for the next 3-4 years wherether they like it or not; it already passed the point of no return to axe it.
Re: Talking Point: Is There A Future For The Wii U Without The GamePad?
No, since it will leave it at a worse position than it is now. I mean, do you think the concept of a "traditional console, but weaker than the competition (which will be greatly exagerrated, knowing the internet.)" will ever work? I don't think so. Instead, what Nintendo should look for is for ways of making Wii U's production cheaper.
However I could see the Gamepad rendered optional when the Wii U enters it's final stages of life.
Re: The Nikkei Reports Potential Nintendo Smartphone Strategy, to be Announced This Week
I could see Miiverse and eShop apps, alongside Mii minigames (I hope)
Re: Renegade Kid's New 3DS FPS Is Moon Chronicles
So 9 bucks for the base 4 gameplay hours and 6 bucks for 6 extra hours of gameplay?
Sounds reasonable.
Re: EA's Peter Moore States That "Nintendo's A Great Partner" In Reaction To Claims of "Dead" Relationship
Moore, talking is easy.
Show. The. Damn. Games.
Re: Nintendo Was Dead To Us Very Quickly, States EA Source
Wow, if that's legit they just didn't burned bridges with Nintendo, they completely decimated them afterwards.
Can't wait for the day EA's floor crumbles down to a chasm.
Re: Nintendo President Satoru Iwata "Has Earned The Right To Fail", Says David Jaffe
@jhohaness Nintendo tried that with the Gamecube with Eternal Darkness and Geist.
Nobody remembers these games.
Re: Nintendo President Satoru Iwata "Has Earned The Right To Fail", Says David Jaffe
@DarkwingLz any more room in that ship?
Re: Nintendo President Satoru Iwata "Has Earned The Right To Fail", Says David Jaffe
Jaffe is right. Iwata needed to taste defeat so he can grow. He's a human (as everyone else), he made mistakes, and so far he's identifying what going on around him.
Of course I won't expect overnight changes, but he might be quicker next time.
Re: Iwata Accepts Responsibility For Poor Financial Results, Ignores Calls To Resign
^this guy knows whats up
Re: We Cannot Continue Without Winning, But It's Not As Simple As Moving Mario To Smartphones, Insists Iwata
I guess they will use smart devices as an extension of their consoles.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo's Wii U Struggles Bring a Challenge, Not Doom
@SavantSupreme It could be worse - you could have ended up with a console that does not let you use any external HDD
looks at the XBO (and the PS4 in a lesser degree)
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo's Wii U Struggles Bring a Challenge, Not Doom
@SavantSupreme screw materials, I want more colors.
I DEMAND A UNICORN-FART COLORED WII U.
Re: Nintendo Confirms Major Reductions In Sales and Financial Projections
@theadrock13 "and if not, then they may become like Sega and stop making consoles."
No, they ain't gonna push 3-shortlived consoles in a row trying to hit the sweet spot.
Re: Iwata Accepts Responsibility For Poor Financial Results, Ignores Calls To Resign
At least he seems to be commited to Nintendo. Good for him.
Re: Satoru Iwata Explains Reduced Projections and "Large Margin" 3DS and Wii U Sales Misses
@Tritonus I guess both.
At least they will double down in advertising for the next months. Which is a good thing, since they need to dust off like a mofo after the rocky as hell 2013 start.
Re: Nintendo Confirms Major Reductions In Sales and Financial Projections
Ouch. Guess its the time to kick into high gear with advertising and games.
Re: 3DS Tops US Hardware Sales as Wii U Achieves "Its Highest Month" in December
500K units sold in the US last month sounds like a mouthful of fresh air we all needed.
Re: Talking Point: Claims of Wii U Third-Party Development Troubles Shouldn't Be Dismissed Lightly
@electrolite77
>implying the Sega CD and the 32X didn't exist.
Re: Talking Point: An Unplanned Flash Sale Looked Like Retail Download Genius from Nintendo
Not sure about the flash sales, but I will give Nintendo the benefit of doubt.
Re: Talking Point: Claims of Wii U Third-Party Development Troubles Shouldn't Be Dismissed Lightly
@Squiggle55 No, axing the Wii U now will be a huge mistake. People and developers who went for the machine will get burned (Nintendo can't afford that), losing trust and worsening things up. Also, it will be more expensive than soldering on with the U this gen for the next 3-5 years, since it still has to recoup their R&D costs as much as possible.
Also, you're asking to NN to do leaps in an absurd timeframe. It's still in it's infancy, FGS. NN will be as competent as PSN or XBL in 2-3 years.
Re: Talking Point: Claims of Wii U Third-Party Development Troubles Shouldn't Be Dismissed Lightly
@Squiggle55 Sega did that. 3 times in a row.
It didn't work. At all.
Re: Talking Point: Claims of Wii U Third-Party Development Troubles Shouldn't Be Dismissed Lightly
Its a rather complicated situation that leads to the continuous 3rd party catch-22 problematic (no games, no systems; no systems? no games). Somebody has to yield in, and so far Nintendo's only option is ramping up manpower to get more games out of the gate to accomplish it. I know Nintendo screwed up in some areas (like assuming western 3rd parties have a sense pf goodwill -looking at you, EA-) but 3rd parties also have a share of the blame due late/crippled ports (mainly), and oblivious to the average Nintendo audience.
Re: A Third-Party "Secret Developer" Gives an Inside Story of Working on Wii U
@Yorumi
You know what's up.
Re: A Third-Party "Secret Developer" Gives an Inside Story of Working on Wii U
I guess Criterion and SMS are anomalies in space-time, then.
Re: Nintendo Left Online Out Of Super Mario 3D World To Deliver The "NES" Experience
You know, this game was set to be released for Xmas season. Online MP would have delayed it and Nintendo couldn't afford that.
Re: Sega Has No Plans To Bring Alien: Isolation To The Wii U
Ah, the typical 3rd party catch-22...
When they will understand the only way of breaking it is giving in?
Re: Feature: The Biggest Wii U Games of 2014
PROJECT CARS! PROJECT CARS! PROJECT CARS! PROJECT CARS! PROJECT CARS! PROJECT CARS! PROJECT CARS! PROJECT CARS! PROJECT CARS!
Re: Talking Point: New Year Resolutions for Nintendo
Gotta say this article is spot-on.
Re: Nintendo Reiterates Confidence That the Wii U Can Compete
@Doma
I assume you're writing your CV to apply as Nintendo's CEO, amirite?
Re: Nintendo Reiterates Confidence That the Wii U Can Compete
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