You can read our headline in two ways - that the fury towards Metroid Prime: Federation Force and Nintendo's Digital Event as a whole is justifiable, or that 'entitled' is a criticism of attitudes in consumers that make specific, harsh demands and react angrily when they're not met. That's deliberate, as there's merit to either side - the reaction to Federation Force, in particular, has arguably been spectacularly over-blown, but by the same token it's an announcement that's so peculiar that it makes anger justifiable. Naturally, we're going to try and be balanced, and there's definitely been a significant reaction to Nintendo's presentation as a whole - our focus, however, is on the unique maelstrom around Next Level Games' 3DS project.
First of all, let's sketch out what was announced. First we had the peculiar tease of Blast Ball in the Nintendo World Championships, in which we all assumed it was Metroid-related yet all representatives on stage dodged the name carefully. Then the Digital Event - a little under two days later - had a very quick, unclear trailer that concluded with the logo and name for Metroid Prime: Federation Force, then a segway to a brief confirmation that Blast Ball will be included in that main game as a competitive sci-fi sports extra.
There are broader issues around pacing - such as long segments for well-known games yet a short, rapid-fire trailer for a new Metroid title - but the main reaction was seemingly reflecting the fact this isn't the Metroid Prime game that fans expected. An issue with using the Prime brand is that, while spin-offs are acceptable in regular franchises, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption arrived way back in 2007 - not withstanding Metroid Prime Trilogy in 2009. Fans of the IP have waited a long time. After that wait there's an expectation of a main entry, so to serve up a co-op experience that doesn't even feature Samus (at least not prominently so far) is, to be blunt, franchise suicide.
Rather than bemusement or facepalming, the reaction has largely been furious and angry, at least in online communities. Having scanned social media we've been rather stunned by the focused ire on Federation Force, which has made it the biggest disaster of a Digital Event that was - overall - panned by many; we truly feel sorry for Next Level Games, in particular, which won our hearts with Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon on 3DS. Federation Force actually looks like a promising game, based on the Treehouse footage - only Blast Ball is playable on the show floor - but the brand damage has made that practically irrelevant at this stage.
Let's get to the scale of the backlash. Starting with YouTube, the Likes and Dislikes are incredibly one-side for this game. Below are some figures on a few other official trailers, at the time of writing
- Star Fox Zero - around 6000 (85%) Likes and 1000 (15%) Dislikes
- Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam - around 4700 (90%) Likes and 550 (10%) Dislikes
- Nintendo Digital Event - around 6000 (45%) Likes and 7200 (55%) Dislikes
The Digital Event was quite poorly received, but here are the Metroid Prime: Federation Force figures - around 3100 Likes (10%) and 31,500 (90%) Dislikes.
So, that's YouTube, a tough audience at any time, but this reaction goes further. Reaction in live chat in our Digital Event stream - and our series of polls - were extremely tough, with brutal comments there and in our news article for the reveal, while Twitter is an absolute bombardment of disgruntlement. Below are a few select choices, which are about as friendly and family friendly as the responses get.
https://twitter.com/Unlimtedpowa/status/610889673624453122
Then there's the Reddit Metroid Community, though in fairness that overwhelming negative energy is being used by many to create gifs and cartoon strips with dark humour.
Or course, there's the obligatory petition, which is both angry and - frankly - incredibly unrealistic. It demands that Metroid Prime: Force Federation be cancelled, with over 6000 signatures so far:
What we got however is a disgrace of a game with the name "Metroid" slapped on the title. It has no elements at all of what Metroid is about and it's a disrespectful manner to old and new fans of the series of showing them that the Metroid franchise is not dead after all. This is not the Metroid we asked Nintendo to make. We should let Nintendo know what we really think of the game and make them actually LISTEN to their fans for once. Help us stop this atrocity of a game from bearing the beloved Metroid franchise name and make Nintendo halt production on it.
As we stated right at the start, we think it's fair to say that much of the reaction has been overblown, and that - in isolation and ignoring branding - this may actually be a fun game on 3DS. While we may disagree with the extremity of the reaction, however, all of the factors we've highlighted make it understandable. With a 50 second trailer - itself part of poorly received broadcast - Nintendo took a beloved brand and ripped it away from fan expectations, and did so after a prolonged wait.
This is an extreme re-run of Metroid: Other M, in terms of upsetting fans in the portrayal of the IP. It wasn't quite on the same scale, but the same arguments apply - on the one hand Nintendo has every right to do as it pleases with its brands, and there are suggestions this spin-off could play into elements of a future Prime title. On the other hand, brands live and die because of their fans - if you take an IP too far from its popular tradition, the fans can express their disapproval and the game flops in stores. Lest we forget the incredibly hostile reaction that Metroid Prime and Wind Waker received upon their initial unveiling. Had social networks like Twitter, Facebook and YouTube existed in the case of those two titles, then that reaction would have no doubt been amplified considerably. In those cases, though, attitudes softened and sales were eventually strong.
Ultimately, though, the creator doesn't have all the power - it's a relationship with consumers.
Nintendo has a problem, then, and while Federation Force is an extreme example it's evident elsewhere too. Nintendo put 'transformation' at the heart of its Digital Event message, yet has arguably gone too far. Some are uncertain about Star Fox Zero's controls, for example, and it'd be an understatement to say that Animal Crossing amiibo Festival isn't what this writer had in mind when expressing a hope to see the franchise on Wii U. In pursuing its vision of new control schemes, expanding IPs and pushing more amiibo to us, Nintendo is in danger of losing the essence of some franchises that we love.
Satoru Iwata took the unusual step of a half apology after the Digital Event, promising to "better meet your expectations" in future. When it comes to the Metroid Prime series and getting fans on board, in particular, the only way is up.
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Not buying into it. No way. I feel sorry for hardcore metroid fans
A certain amount of entitlement is good. All people are saying is "we like you as a company so give us reasons to continue supporting you".
It's better to at least vocalise that instead of just quietly letting them make crap that don't sell and lead the company to fail.
I will preorder it and I will buy it. Will I like it? That's yet to be determined but I've calmed my rage down quite significantly since yesterday. My initial reaction wasn't good and I'm still not happy about it.
I have made my opinion earlier today and already took a ton of flak from people I consider friends over social media. I will paste here here gain:
"My opinion on "Metroid Prime: Federation Force" has not changed from the second I saw it: I LOVE IT! I don't care how much flak I have already taken and will take for it, you people are out of your minds, so let me put it this simple: YOU are not OBLIGED to buy it! Don't want it, don't buy it! The title also in no way compromised the development of a new Prime series video game, when "Metroid Other M" (which i would also like to state I love) came out and people bashed on it, I believe Miyamoto stated that the "Metroid" franchise was gonna be put on the back burner until they had new ideas on how to work on the franchise, much like "F-Zero" really. So I wake up this morning and there is a 5000 signature petition for Nintendo to cancel the game!? Time to get off the cool aid, people. If I was a developer working on the game , I would be absolutely devastated: You are judging a game you never even played based on the fact that it's not "Metroid Prime 4"! Quoting the Regginator: "What's wrong with you?" I don't often get disappointed at the Nintendo community, but this whole affair is really, really making me absolutely disgusted at this behavior. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Money is the real power here, and I don't see Nintendo's stock pummeling down. Sorry for the long rant but this is getting blow so much out of proportion that it0s taking me back to when people began bashing the "Windwaker" when the first footage was show. Please start making sense again, people!"
Plus: I would buy a full priced, single campaign enabled, multiplayer expanded Wii U version which at one point was what the producers were aiming at.
I'll likely pick it up, the reaction is over blown for sure. Doesn't look the best but looks at least to be fun. besides, an expansion in a Nintendo Universe is likely a good thing, a great way to pull in or introduce new elements that can't be done through the traditional route. I'll look forward to this one to some degree and happily await the next time Samus is the main character of a Metroid title.
So, Metroid is my favorite game franchise, period. As a Metroid fan, I am disappointed that once again they haven't given us a new actual Metroid game with isolated exploration, which is the core of the franchise. I agree with you guys, this game looks quite fun, in fact I'll most likely pick it up and enjoy it, but honestly after this long it's hard not to be saddened that Metroid is apparently now a multiplayer shooter. Fans are disappointed and the easiest way to deal with disappointment is rage, and of course the target will be Federation Force. I hope it's amazing and does well, simply so Nintendo doesn't ax the IP all together, but I still want Dread or something similar
Well, it only makes it slightly embarrassing to be a Metroid fan right now.
And I don't mean the game. The reaction.
This is not feeling entitled. It is disappointment of knowing this is a stopgag game with a beloved franchise name plastered on it to try and sell to unsuspecting fans. There is nothing wrong with being upset about this. Fans should not blindly accept and buy anything Nintendo throws our way without being discerning about it.
Although my true rage didn't start yesterday until the Animal Crossing Wii U nonsense.
A game that's not exactly what we wanted? THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!
This is not the game we wanted hell no one wanted this. But we should at least give this a chance
I'm not a fan of Metroid, at all, and I don't like its fanbase, either. But even I thought Nintendo was pretty much spitting in everyone's faces by showing this off.
It's like the Yamcha of Nintendo IP's – still more than strong enough to blow most others out of the water, but is made into such a joke by its own team at every opportunity that nobody can take it seriously as a contender anymore. First Other M, then Sakurai's relentless spiting of Ridley for Smash supporters, now this. It's like they're trying to blow up the fanbase on purpose.
I think the bad reaction is completely justified. I've seen people comparing this to Metroid Prime Pinball and Mario Kart, but you just can't. Those are stupid comparisons. Those games were coming out along side main series games, not INSTEAD of main series games. Especially since it's been so since we've had a real Metroid game. Stop excusing Nintendo's dumb decision just because it's Nintendo. They don't get a pass this time.
It really couldn't have been more obvious that Nintendo is 100% out for money, completely exploiting their IPs with cheap 'party' or 'chibi' versions! And playing up Amiibo so that we all go bankrupt and they sell 100% of their stock!
Sure, this game looks great, I would totally buy it if Nintendo actually deserved my support! This is shameful time for all Nintendo fans...
Of course we are entitled. Us loyal fans have bought the Wii U when the rest of the industry views it as a pile of ****. We should get the games that we want or Nintendo will lose our support.
This game should not cost more $14.99-19.99. I hate CoD but I rather have a game that can handle 16 players against each other than a co op only. Its a survival round after round like zombies is for CoD. Such a waste of time for Next Level Games they could've been working on something else instead
It's perfectly fine to not hate the game itself, but to hate that it exists. The people who want it cancelled are going too far, definitely. But I don't think it's wrong to feel somewhat insulted by the announcement when we've been wanting a real Metroid game for years. We're allowed to have opinions about the stuff Nintendo puts out, and this has made a lot of us really unhappy. Doesn't make us entitled whiners.
@Shiryu Except they betrayed us on every front, sure if this was announced alongside a SINGLE real game, but COME ON. Triforce heroes, Federation Force, AMIIBO FREAKING CROSSING!? Absolute slap to the face!
I'm a hardcore Metroid fan, and I'm very disappointed! It might be an ok game to play, but it feels insulting they slapped the name Metroid on this thing! I wasn't disgusted with them going third person in prime, I loved it, and I thought Metroid other m was great, dispite it being kinda easy, but this is really horrible! I hate to do this to Nintendo, but I actually signed that petition lol All I could think about when seeing that trailer was "Metroid dread got cancelled, but they think THIS is good?!?".
@A01 Zelda U trailer also, and we got... a Zelda spinoff...
As a fan of metroid I'm actually excited about this game. People wrote it off immediately for not having samus. That is a real shame since the treehouse footage looked too promising.
@ericwithcheese2 The game has a purpose to serve, and is not simply an unrelated game with the name Metroid tacked on. The game has been stated to serve the purpose to expand and justify the role of the Federation Force, in order to set up for the events in the future games.
I can't believe Nintendo hasn't done ANYTHING except issue a vague half hearted apology, seriously, if this is the only way we can get a reaction, freaking sign that idiotic petition!!
I can understand the disappointment, though the level of it just comes across as ridiculous. It's a spin-off game, and one that is exploring the galactic federation and Metroid universe, something I've heard fans in the past suggest. Sure it's not a Metroid game in the style that Metroid fans have been wanting, but it is still a game within the Metroid series that utilise aspects of it's gameplay and universe.
At the end of it all, at least Metroid fans are getting a game in the series, even if it's a spin-off. Furthermore, this entry seems to suggest that there are future plans for the Metroid series. Meanwhile, here I comment on this post as I wait for a new Punch-Out game, as the studio most likely to give me such a thing work on Metroid Prime: Federation Force. For me, this feels like Metroid fans are the lucky ones in all this.
@DarthNocturnal : The "too big/he wouldn't be Ridley anymore" hypocrisy, along with turning him into a stage hazard that even most casual players I know utterly despise.
Remember: I'm someone who hates Metroid and even* I *thought he was being very mean-spirited about the whole thing.
This game is nowhere near as big as a betrayal to the IP as Other M (which is probably why we are getting a game without Samus) plus it's just a spinoff. It hurts that we are getting this when a real Metroid is nowhere in sight but whatever.
Dark Moon is my favorite 3DS game and I love Next Level Games but this is just awful. I feel so bad for them and I know its not their fault, its Nintendo's.
@EverythingAmiibo That was their own fault for thinking Zelda Wii U would be there in the first place. Nintendo clearly said it wasn't going to be there, but people insisted and ended up being disappointed.
I'm pretty hyped about this game. Just watched the Treehouse live demo replay. And guys please stop being bitter and b*tching around (sorry I normally don't curse). Just because it's not our mainstream Metroid you can just say bash the game however you want. If only Metroid wasn't slapped on the title you'll be singing quite differently, I'm sure.
@EverythingAmiibo "Betrayal" is a very strong word and I don't mind, I know it's fueled from your passion that like mine drives us towards Nintendo and it's games. But there has to be a line between the blind hate I am witnessing yesterday and today towards a game very few people played or even watched it being played live at the treehouse event. A petition!? What's wrong with you!?
I must say, I wasn't expecting the Metroid name to be slapped onto this game. I thought it'll be a new IP(Blastball)... but it isn't. Oh well! I'm not disappointed at this. Not hyped, but not disappointed either.
That petition is childish, though.
@Dezzy
Basically, a Simon Cowell-esque "it'd be cruel to be too kind" behavior, huh.
I'll be honest, I was disappointed myself. I was discussing the Digital Event with my Xbox-loving, bizarro-me of a friend and ultimately had to admit Nintendo screwed it up this year - and not as "a" company, but by Nintendo standards, yeah, they screwed it up - especially given, as I mentioned elsewhere, Earthbound Beginnings and the Smash DLC were dealt with before E3, rather than saving them as the "big announcements" of the Event: at this point, they could as well have saved them for the Digital Event proper.
A cutesy-looking multiplayer shooter? Fine. Associating it with the Metroid franchise? Not so fine. Blast Ball? Looks like a blast. Metroid Prime Blast Ball? It sucks. See where I'm going here? That's exactly the point I made when arguing with @Quorthon about Affordable Space Adventures: titles are important, period. If I were to publish a shooter and it has enough to do with Metroid, I could (although that's not necessary by any means) shoehorn the Metroid name into the title and change the game in order to make it fit right in the Metroid series' lore. It worked when the Sakurai-helmed shooter was ultimately revealed as the third Kid Icarus game - but in that case, it worked. It won its audience right with the trailer. Now? It has blown up in Nintendo's face so hard, there's a petition to get it cancelled.
The game itself can still win us over? Yes, it can. But it needs to be retooled into either its own thing, or into a true, honest-to-God Metroid Prime game.
If this was coming alongside a Retro developed Wii U game I think people would be happy with it. As with most of the new announcements, they're feel like filler. Fun games in most likelihood but no big, engrossing experiences.
@NintendoFan990 i agree, ive been a day 1 (waiting 16 hours in line for the Wii) supporter since the N64. When the NX comes i will now wait a year or 2 to see if its worth the time like i do with PS and XB. With Zelda still scheduled for the Wii U i won't need to upgrade to the next one
I like the idea of the metroid universe being expanded. I never got into the series because it is so isolated. While I know it is bigger than this it feels like: "bounty hunter dropped on random planet, kill a bunch of bugs fight ridley or a giant brain then run as fast as possible." Prime 3 did a decent job at adding more people to the universe but it was short lived and other m is hated by all the "hardcore fans" even though it tried to flesh out a pretty quiet character. I don't think Samus is the same empty slate as Link so it helps to understand her world and motivations. I still don't even understand why the space pirates do what they do and for a while I wasn't sure if there were any colonies that were thriving since almost everything you see is a ruin or a blown apart space station. That is great for atmosphere but terrible capturing extended interest. I hope Freedom Force helps me understand and thus care about the Metroid universe a little more so I can enjoy the Metroid games I already have.
The game shouldn't be called Metroid Prime! I will probably buy it but I don't like that its being wh*red out like its a new Metroid or something.
Oh well, at least we get Xeodrifter this week and we have games like Axiom Verge on PS4.
I don't hate this game, I just don't like that this is the Metroid Nintendo has been working on. It would've been OK if we got another Metroid for 3DS or Wii U. One made by Retro.
@Shiryu no one should hate your opinion, if you think this game is great, then by all means buy it and enjoy it! But for me, I need alot of convincing on this one before I think of this as a purchase. Maybe if you can customize your character alot, and the graphics get better, and the reviews of it are pretty good I would buy it, but think what bugs ppl most is that they call it Metroid prime federation force, maybe they should just take out the the Metroid prime name?
The way a lot of people carrying on is simply ridiculous and embarrassing.
I can't believe a lot of the stuff that's been appearing on my Facebook today... Luckily not from any of my friends at least, I want no association with people who react like this.
The game isn't pathetic, the hate is. A lot of people are even so ignorant they think it's just a soccer game. That's just a small part of the whole package.
Also, canceling this game is just STUPID. It only needs a name change to make fans happy.
When you make a petition to get a game cancelled because you don't like it, that's pretty much the point when it stops being the dev/pub problem and it starts being yours
You are within your right to be disappointed or upset, but you gotta have some degree of restraint, for God's sake.
It looks so generic, and somehow manages to look like even less fun than the awful Metroid Prime: Hunters.
Of course, trying to get it cancelled is stupid. I won't be buying it. I hope other people won't be buying it. That would send a clear message to Nintendo that this generic multiplayer stuff is NOT what we want.
Nintendo fans have good reason to be frustrated. The emphasis on Amiibo combined with the failure to meet demand has been painful. And with the Wii U finally gaining some momentum with Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros, and Splatoon fans were hoping that the Wii U would be keeping that momentum going. Nintendo's 1st-party franchises are the biggest thing it has going for it and not seeing much in the way of new entries after the system has been out for so long is not pleasant. The spinoffs that are coming out instead sting even more than when nothing is announced at all. It gives the impression that Nintendo isn't interested in making new entries in the true franchises.
As justified as the frustration is, I certainly think the reaction is more than a little overblown. But I feel it and even before the press conference I was finding myself focusing my time my GameCube and Wii games. The Wii U frankly has me burned out at the moment.
Reaction is way overblown. I would like to see a game like Metroid Dread was supposed to be or whatever as much as anybody. This can still be a fun game even if it is not our usual Metroid Prime game. I haven't seen or heard anything about the co-op portion of it, it might surprise us. I don't mind the cartoony look to it and it could still have decent exploration and enemies to fight.
That horrendous Animal Crossing Amiibo game, to me, is a far worse offence. We just got a new Mario Party! I see no reason why this couldn't have been added to a standard Animal Crossing game! This is like getting just the Blast Ball game and not having the Federation Force game with it. The scary part is that this Amiibo Festival game will sell 1,500,000 copies in Japan and another 1,000,000 copies throughout the rest of the world, plus the Amiibo will be all bought up quickly. Then Nintendo will be thinking "man, what a brilliant idea we had!".
Oh and Metroid Prime was a Metroid game the moment they announced it, it has exploration, Samus, alien life, alien worlds and feels very Metroid. I was sold the moment they showed it. This on the other hand...This shouldn't be the first Metroid fans get after Other M and after waiting so many years.
I think the main problem with this game is that...well...it has Metroid in the title. If this was its own thing, people probably wouldn't be as mad. Also, to those who made the petition for it to be cancelled and those who signed it: You are all acting REALLY immature about this.
@Tsurii
I personally don't like Metroid, but I think it would be like a "Legend of Zelda" without Link... It doesn't really work well. Maybe if they didn't put Metroid in the title, but instead just said that its "Federation Force" and expands the Metroid universe, they'd have less backlash
@hYdeks I too want more information. I want to know if you have a single player campaign, if you can use AI bots to play , etc. I like what I saw, I love the art design (everything that reminds me of TRON usually is OK!) and I really did imagined having a game where I played online with a GFed Trooper versus Space Pirates.
Now the Metroid fan base understand how I feel about FE being butchered since the DS games.
As a fan of Metroid, I am disappointed that we aren't getting a Samus adventure. But do I think the game should be canceled? Heck no! It looks really fun, and the Metroid universe could use some expanding of the lore! I will day one be buying this, and I hope other Metroid fans do too. If anything, simply to prove to nintendo that there is an audience for the Metroid franchise.
@DarthNocturnal It's not a valid reason, though. Look at Melee's intro, for goodness' sakes. Nobody complained that he was barely larger than Samus there.
There are plenty of reasons he could have given. Even "I just plain don't like him" would have been more acceptable. But the reason he gave was flat-out silly. And this was after teasing people who wanted him and leading them on for pretty much the entire development period.
I feel like they should of just made it a new IP "inspired" by Metroid. Really this whole issue is because of the name. Though I was not happy to see this announcement (and animal crossing amiibos festival) I'll give these games a chance. We saw only a trailer and still have time till the final games come out. The reaction to Blast Ball before the Metroid name on it was fine so I feel like fans overreacted this time.
Metroid fans look at this way. At least Nintendo aknowledges Metroid exists. For Mega Man all that Capcom has been doing is make a really, really bad anniversary ios game and recently a anniversary collection for the first six Mega Man games which most fans own in some form.
I think making a petition for cancellation is ridiculous, but that doesn't stop this game from looking like a soulless, hollow cash-in. If Metroid wasn't in the title, I would have thought it was a low-budget indie game. It reminded me of stuff I'd buy on my phone for a dollar or two. But this is a full price retail game. It's unacceptable.
It's baffling to me how Next Level games could put out a game like Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon; a game with passion behind it and a heart that could be seen within 5 seconds, and then make this.
Sigh, glad to see some people in this thread think that Triforce Heroes and MP:FF could be worth playing.
I'm not buying it. You can call it Metroid, but if it doesn't look, feel, sound, or play like it, it isn't Metroid. This wasn't as big of an insult as Animal Crossing Amiibo Parade. I hope that game never sells a single Amiibo.
Why nobody complains about Fallout Shelter, a useless spin-off for mobiles of a great old beloved series?
Well, maybe because we'll got Fallout 4 in few months.
@moomoo
All of what this person said!
Also can we please get over the fact that a mass marketed product is not catered to one person? People act like Iwata cursed individuals out directly. It is a GAME.
You don't like it somebody else will. How the Nintendo crew and the rest of industry devs remain so positive in general is amazing. You come with a new idea people go "omg you changed it! It sucks, or that isn't how it is supposed to be!" go back to the old ideas: "omg you didn't change it! It sucks!"
@DarthNocturnal
Releasing prime 4 on Wii U would be a waste of time and pointless right now.
They should hold off till new hardware is really released.
Now what they should have announced was a 2D metroid game for 3DS.
While it may not have the personality of Luigi I still think this game looks fun to play
@link3710 Wait people think Triforce Heroes looks bad? That game looks cool (at least in my opinion).
@link3710
Yeah. I'm decently intrigued by Federation Force. I am very excited for Triforce Heroes, though. Way back on Gamecube, me and the kids had a blast with Four Swords.
Remember when Metroid had 4 player online co-op with bad graphics, no Samus, and clunky controls (according to N Life)? Me either.
While a petition to cancel the game may be a bit overblown, the mere fact that it has more than 6,000 signatures and that Iwata apologized for fans' reactions to the Digital Event shows that they may need to change up some things. Perhaps Retro Studios is making a new Metroid? (in all honesty, the "Prime" brand should have stopped by now)
"Entitled fury"?
....God forbid someone is passionate about a gaming franchise on a gaming website.
This whole outrage may seem toxic on the surface, but I think this is ultimately healthy for Nintendo because they need a wake up call real bad.
Well, I don't know who "we all" is, but I certainly did NOT get a Metroid vibe from a cute, anime/super deformed-like sci-fi themed multiplayer soccer game. As many, many people before have said: Metroid is about isolation, tension, big @ss bosses and there was none of that to be found here.
@Shiryu I agree with you on the don't like it, don't play it and I DID see the Treehouse session of it and aside from the Metroid branding it actually seems like a fun game, but I strongly feel they should have left it outside of the whole Metroid IP and just let it be a game with it's own title and/or world. The anger may largely be a big overreaction, but I certainly do understand where all the disappointment is coming from.
During the entire Digital Presentation I was sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for that big announcement to come, but it never did.
And they did such a good job setting the stage with the World Championships and by using Muppet characters, which I thought was a brilliant move, but they spoiled it in the end by presenting over 50% of games that were already known, 4 new titles that were okayish, some 3DS stuff and some lame AC themed Mario Party ripoff, so even as a person that loves Nintendo and that wants them to flourish for years to come, I'm not blind to what happened here.
I need to have a positive closure to this decidedly underwhelming Nintendo E3, so I'll be watching the FAST Racing Neo Treehouse session that will start tonight at 22.45h CET. At least Shin'en knows what people really want...
"Or course, there's the obligatory petition, which is both angry and - frankly - incredibly unrealistic. It demands that Metroid Prime: Force Federation be cancelled, with over 6000 signatures so far:"
Holy sh*t. I checked the yesterday, and it had like 2,300 signatures.
All I can say is my first impression is I dont like it. I think alot of it is due to the very limited after thought of a trailer that it was presented in. If Nintendo doesnt take this Metroid game seriously, I wont either. Big first party games that built Nintendo deserve more than just a poor teaser.
Probably one of the biggest Metroid fans on the site. I gave it a day to settle. The game looks okay but why in God's name did they tag "Metroid Prime" on that? Just why? We want either a full on no gimmicks 2.5D Metroid or a new game in the vein of the Metroid Prime series. Not Samus's Friends go to Soccer School.
I don't own a 3DS/N3DS so this game matters very little to me ultimately. But looking at it I get more of a Metroid Prime: Hunters vibe than a true Metroid Prime vibe.
The core Metroid games should be about those core themes: Isolation, exploration, etc. However much like other successful franchises have done, there should be growth in the franchise. The Galactic Federation is a prime candidate in that world to explore more deeply: the culture and the military. It is not like they automatically call in Samus everytime there is a crisis.
I cant help but feel people would of been less upset about this if A) it wasn't teased as blast ball first and B)it was on Wii U and features more... Defined characters and not these Pseudo Samus guys.
I'm hope they are using this opportunity to expand the lore a bit (i've been campaigning for more Luigi Mansion style spin offs) Frankly they wouldn't of needed the Metroid name if the "federation" wasn't so ridiculously generic.
ultimately the name is justified, the co-op mode is set in the same region of space, has the same prime exclusive enemy. Its just unfortunate there was no other Prime game teased so gamers knew this wasn't an INSTEAD of game
I don't think the game should be canceled. What I do think however is it should be delayed until summer 2016 when they can announce the NX and Prime 4 as a launch title. THEN people can be more forgiving towards this game and give it a shot while they wait for Prime 4...
Because frankly, without the knowledge that a new PROPER Metroid is on the way, people are going to boycott this one...
@TheRealThanos Fair enough, I read, understand and respect your opinion. Something that sadly most people out there right now have seem to completely forget and are acting as savages. If only there was such passion for say... saving the environment, we would have this planet squeaky clean in not time.
Ouch, they didn't show a single thing I'm willing to spend money or time on. Being an adult, I don't have time for games like these. Being a parent (of girls) my kids aren't going to be very interested in games like these. Pass all around.
Guess that leaves more money to save for a PS4, Star Wars Battlefront and Disney Infinity 3.0, games I do have time for and my kids will want to play.
If this game didn't have the Metroid name attached to it, and just stuck with Federation Force, the hate would have never gotten this far, if at all. Maybe it probably would have been met with some curiosity instead.
@Shiryu Your fist comment is exactly how I feel about this. I AM going to get this game and give it a fair shake, in 2016, when we have the final build in our hands! This looks like a pretty early build and Next Level Games, built one of the BEST (and dare I say one of the prettiest) 3DS games. I'm not going going to bash on a game I haven't seen in person, played or even really know about!!!!!!!
And also I don't think anyone, but again @Shiryu, is talking about the developers. These poor guys at Next Level Games, they have wanted to work on Metroid, FOR YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEARS! And they had their (rather promising, yet strange looking) 2D Metroid, canned by the higher ups at Nintendo back in 2009 (in favor of Luigi's Mansion 2), to have the opportunity to make their own take on Metroid as a spin-off (while Retro makes Prime IV or whatever else they are working on) must of been HUGE for that team up in Canada. They must be gutted, to see all the hate and vile towards them, and THEIR game! The poor guys are probably begging Nintendo to take the Metroid name off of the game and maybe even slip it under the rug and put it out next summer, in hopes that maybe they'll be able to make money back on this game, that sadly maybe 6 people are going to buy! (I know there will be more, but thats all I've seen on this site....)
It really is unbelievable the amount hate and vile I've seen on this site. I know this website went down the toilet back in 2012, but dear lord....GROW UP! Again this an early build, from Next Level. I know you didn't want this Metroid...but at least Nintendo is giving you guys something! And after the hate this game got....we might never see another Metroid game (I hate to say it, but Nintendo would use the poor reaction that this game got as an easy scapegoat to kill the Metroid series)
I had to get that out of my system, I'll grab this one, and Tri-Force Heroes and enjoy (likely) the last great year of 3DS gaming in 2016. Peace!
I've always thought "entitled" was a really poor excuse to try and invalidate people's criticism. It's just a buzz word.
We're customers at the end of the day but for better or worse we're also Nintendo fans. If people don't like what they see, then they should be allowed to say so, just as much as people who love something can gush about it.
Don't forget these products that are being shown off are things Nintendo are expecting us to buy, with money.
If this game had been presented together with a new "real" Metroid game I think people would have loved it, or at the very least accepted it.
Metroid is one of my favoritgame series of all time and like most people this game is not what I wanted for the next Metroid anouncement. But people are so enraged by this that I don't think they are willing to look att the game on its own merits. No this is not a real Metroid game and no this is not what fans where hoping for but Next Level usually makes incredibly good games when handed a Nintendo license and what they showed of the game and the Blast Ball mini game it actually looks really fun. I wish that it had been a new IP instead so it wouldn't have to be compared to Metroid, but I guess they where hoping it would sell better with the Metroid name. This seems to have backfired but guess we'll see when the dust has settled and more info is revealed.
I'm really feeling... the pain.
Another 3DS game that they poured time and money into that won't sell well. Who is running things over at Nintendo of Japan?
@HandheldGuru97 Plus, they used the multiplayer from "Metroid Prime 2" as a template. For that alone, I would buy the game to make sure it was good.
Metroid Prime: Federation Force is like a disposable toothbrush in a hotel. Once you get a real one, you toss that other one away
Also, this looks so cool now....
What I don't understand is this: We're getting a new Metroid game in less than a year that looks like a fun game (esp. if you watch the treehouse demonstration), and everyone goes hardcore negative. But if Nintendo had released a cinematic trailer of nothing more than Samus and her ship flying around space, promising a (late) 2017 release date, Nintendo would be hailed as saviors. So you get a game, and you're mad. You get a trailer with empty promises, and it's amazing, Nintendo wins E3. What sense does that make?
we all know chibi metroid was targeted at a japanese audience. they're probably surprised at all the hatred it's receiving. nintendo will probably take it as western gamers don't like japanese games, which isn't the case but we all know nintendo is a little daft when it comes to understanding it's western fans.
i blame NOA more than anything because they should have had a freaking clue. either reggie has no input or is a total idiot.
@Morpheel Right? I thought Hunters was fun and this could be good as well. Some people should be ashamed of their behavior, I understand being disappointed but whining like a 4 year old over a game you haven't even played? Come down...
Nintendo needs to develop a METROID MAKER game.
Then the fans could create the next game since Ninty, obviously, is wandering around clueless these days......
@cbkummer You're talkin' too much sense. Get off the internet, 'tis not a place for such Sense Talkers.
@Shiryu
Totally agreed. This whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Some of these "fans" dont deserve a Metroid Prime 4.
@andreoni79 And cos it doesn't have paywalls
I'm a Metroid fan and I think it looks terrible but I'm not up in arms about it. I won't be buying it but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be made. Very disappointing to see that after 5 years since the last Metroid, 8 years since the last GOOD Metroid, and 11 years since the last 2D Metroid...this is all they can offer us. I have no problems with spinoff titles but remember in 2002 when Metroid was thought to be dead back then? The last game at that point was Super Metroid in 1994. But they rectified the drought of 8 years with Metroid Prime AND Metroid Fusion. Job well done. But imagine INSTEAD of Prime and Fusion we got Metroid Prime Pinball and ONLY Prime Pinball? LOL What a joke that would've been. But because they gave us not one but TWO legit entries in 2002 even after an 8 year drought they really made up for lost time in my opinion. But releasing Federation Force after an 8 year drought since the last Prime game and 5 years since Other M which most people hated...this game is a slap in the face.
Calling this a spin-off is giving it too much credit. It's a game that has nothing to do with Metroid that got "Metroid Prime" stuck on it to sell more copies. If they had presented it as a new IP, then people would be ambivalent, or even optimistic about it. I know I would.
Alternatively, they could have kept the Metroid title, but then followed up that trailer with an announcement of the next real Metroid game. Instead, the prospect of another Metroid title is just as bleak as it was before yesterday's event, only now we have "Federation Force" as a reminder that the next real Metroid game still isn't coming.
I really like the looks of this game. I mean it isn't half bad if you watch footage of it. And apparently Next level Games had a "proper" Metroid in development but was canned.
On the subject of Star Fox... the game can be played without gyro controls so I don't understand why people are disliking it for the controls. The game looks phenomenal and was pretty much the only impressive part of yesterday's E3.
@Darkthany Don't let the trolls win. Most of these people are simply misguided, "going with the herd" fellows who let their passion be used against them.
I think Nintendo should remove the Metroid part from the title and just call the game Federation Force. That way Nintendo can still release the game and the Metroid fans will be happy that it doesn't ruin the Metroid name, but will still have to wait until a new Metroid game is created.
@C-Threep Sorry, I'll disconnect my router now. Clearly this isn't the place for me.
@IrishGamer97 That's the part that gets me. If they had a proper Metroid in development WHY would they cancel it and give us Federation Force instead? It literally makes zero sense. Release both then if they're so dead set on making a game that doesn't involve Samus. If they had shown off a Prime 4 or Metroid Dread IN ADDITION to the Federation Force I really don't think people would have flipped out but because Federation Force is all we were given it feels like an insult.
Nobody should ever have to settle with that any gaming company decides to give us. At the end of the idea they have to impress us enough for us to hand over large sums of money, so nobody should EVER feel bad about having too high expectations. They want money of us, we want a certain level of quality in return.
The "fans" reaction is without a doubt overblown but some of the blame lies with Nintendo. I mean seriously, SOMEONE during the E3 planning committe must have raised their hand and said "based on what's being discussed on the internet, don't you think we stand pissing off more fans by revealing this now? They expect more from us. Shouldn't we wait for a Mini Direct perhaps?"
Personally, I feel as if Nintendo chose poorly in what to show off during the event, what to concentrate on, what order to reveal everything and what to skip on. Project Zero should have had its trailer and some discussion, Devil's Third should have had a quick look. Maybe a bit more on Xenoblade. We DID NOT need a long look at the history behind Yoshi's woolly look (no offense to the lady who inspired it but there is such a thing as a proper time & place).
Obviously a counter argument is that Nintendo merely lacked alternatives to show but it could have done so much more to make it better with some retweaking and more information. Even an Indie game montage would have helped; give the little guys some exposure and all. Or even a blunt explanation that this year will be a little brief on new content due to a major shift planned in 2016.
Yes, Nintendo marches to its own beat. Yes, Nintendo's fans can be a fickle bunch. Yes, sometimes gamers do not actually know what they want until its given to them; otherwise we'd have the same old stuff. But at this rate, I'm starting to wonder if Nintendo knows its own fanbase because if I had previewed this event, I could have foreseen the fan reaction a continent away. The fact that Nintendo itself didn't is somewhat worrying.
So basically, it's the way Nintendo went about revealing it that's angering so many people? Yeah, seems like a fair assessment. The last Metroid Prime game was in 2007, and after all these years we get a brief trailer which shows incredibly vague gameplay and generic characters. I think it's also pretty fair to say that not many people, if any, really asked for this. With that said, I agree that it could be a fun game in its own right but Nintendo seemed like they were almost trying to get a negative reaction by calling it "Metroid". Even still, it's not right for people to literally rage against Nintendo or throw a fit. They made a poor reveal and it's not like we're losing anything (besides some respect) by having this game released.
@GH05T I totally agree.
I think the game looks cool, but the biggest problem is that it has "Metroid" in its tittle, if it didnt, nobody would rage.
@Darkthany I've never seen so much hate over a game like this before. I feel sorry for the guys making this at Next level Games, it must be real upsetting having your work criticized like this.
Lol a petition to cancel the game...
How would that get us a real Metroid sooner?
Seriously though, this game is nowhere near as bad as the insult that was Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival.
@krakensoup Maybe they are still making it for NX and don't want to say anything? Or Nintendo didn't want them to continue with it, I don't know maybe we'll never know.
@manu0 Really? There's a petition to get rid of it? That's stupid
@JumpnShootMan It's probably because there's still hope in it.
If you see gameplay footage that you don't like, it's already over. It's easier to form an opinion on something you can see clearly and that goes both ways.
You can't really form a reasonable opinion on something that's vague. Other than complaining that it's vague.
I am angry about this game because of the fact it is everything Metroid shouldn't be.
Metroid made its name on the feeling of isolation & loneliness, the exploration and those pesky Metroids. Not on multiplayer, football, pinball and cinematic stories...
To be honest only 1 of the Prime games got that formula right - the first one. MP2 and MP3 lost all that for me with talking marines and other silly characters, particularly MP3. We knew the federation existed before, but they were never in your face. And the multiplayer in MP2 was just silly. Don't get me started on that Other M "film". MP2 and MP3 were great games to be fair, but they just lost the Metroid "feeling" which MP1 and the 2D games have in abundance.
@Nintendo_Ninja That game looks like a shameful cash grab
I think the fan reaction is silly. Nintendo's been slapping popular IPs on odd game concepts since at least Mario 2 (the western version). Mario has been spun off so many times it's insane. A lot of those games turned out pretty well. Give it a shot. I mean, I would have rather seen a revamped Hunters (which I really enjoyed), but this seems worth at least checking out before we cast it out as heresy.
@IrishGamer97 You apparently didn't read the article
If there had been a Wii U Metroid Prime 4 reveal then this wouldn't have been an issue, it would have been seen more as a little story prequel.
@manu0 I didn't,just skimmed through it I was kinda expecting what it would be about. It seems to me that some of the Metroid fans are bigger complainers than the halo fanbase when Halo 4 came out....Actually scratch that their both overreacting.
All I want is a Metroid 5, why you keep ignoring us Nintendo? Didn't you see Axiom Verge?
Calling criticism "entitlement" has become a trend on the internet. "Stop wanting things and be happy this company is making games".
The anger over this game is 100% understandable. Nintendo has been ignoring their fans wishes for quite a while now and the gap of 6 years in the Metroid franchise is giant and the last game was not that well received (I personally found it unplayable as a lefty). And then you show this. So the anger comes from a place that logically there are only two possibilities: a) This is just a "Here, take this and shut the F up!" kind of situation or b) (More realistic) Nintendo just doesn't care or understand...
Iwata's reaction proofs that further. There was nothing wrong about the direct itself...it was actually really fun and charming. The content is the problem. And the question is not "How do you do a better presentation?" but "How do you bring better content?"
Even if this were to be presented as a normal direct, it still would be panned as slapping the Metroid Prime title by fans.
I'm not hyped about it but I knew that at some point, Nintendo is bound to do some spinoffs for the Metroid series like how they did to Mario, Zelda Kirby etc.
Vote with your wallets. If nobody buys a game, they won't continue making it. If a game sells well, they probably will. If people don't like what they see, they shouldn't buy it. Being disappointed is natural and understandable. Throwing a tantrum is just immature and childish.
They don't dare release this at retail. If Nintendo thought Code Name STEAM flopped, just try and charge $29.99 for the biggest insult to a fanbase since Jar Jar.
Oh and just to add this: The game looks alright. I'm not that interested because I think they are waaaay overdoing it with their coop stuff and I also think the ball game should be an eshop download, but the problem is the attitude of making this Metroid instead of delivering on well....Metroid. ^^
The petition is nearing 7,000 signatures... Now it's almost 7,500
Call them entitled in the article, and they continue to act entitled in the comments
Here's a good analogy of what is happening:
Nintendo took some fresh vegetables, dipped them into beef broth, and threw them in a cage with hungry wolves. The wolves took one bite of them, and spit them out in disgust and anger. The wolves don't eat vegetables, and it has just made them angry because they haven't gotten the meat they desire and need. Nintendo should have taken the vegetables and given them to herbivores who would eat them and enjoy them, without the beef broth. They should have given the wolves a very good side of beef. Even giving them just some chunks would have helped, but not vegetables dipped in beef broth. It only makes them angry, hungry, and nasty.
The anger is justified.
Nintendo badly broke the fanbase with Other M. Samus' high-heeled adventures in Smash haven't exactly made Metroid fans feel that Nintendo is taking the franchise that seriously. A chibi soccer game is about as far as you can get from what the series needs right now.
Luigi's Mansion didn't come after a Mario game that was so badly received that Reggie had to tell an interviewer that Nintendo was looking into where they went wrong.
Its alright to feel upset over this but petitions and calling it the worst game ever is overreacting a bit much
Just 80 more signatures before they reach their goal. lol
https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-petition-for-cancelation-of-metroid-prime-federation-force
I agree thhis hatred is indeed getting out of hand. It just goes to show how shallow and close minded a lot of these so called fans can be. This can be described as practically hate mongering. Also 5 years is nothing. Look at Half Life its been practically 10 years since HL2 ep 2 released which ended on a massive cliffhanger and left a lot of unanswered questions. Also people seem to be ignoring the fact that there are two other Metroids in the works. I give them props for taking steps to flesh out the universe. In fact FF's story is intended to be a lead up to Prime 4 and I have seen people slamming them for that too. Another thing to consider is this Nintendo never made an actual promises there would be a new mainline Metroid at E3 this year. Although I think it has been confirmed that Retro isn't working on the next Metroid suppose they were working on Metroid U. Now consider the fact they most likely started work on their next Wii U game right after Tropical Freeze completed that would mean the game has been in development for a little over a year and a half. For a game like Metroid that would probably be nowhere near ready to show off at this point. On another note I was reading an interview and I find it interesting Miyamoto was considering Monolith for the next Metroid
I also feel sorry for next level games; they're definitely really talented people and Dark Moon was superb. I think this game will turn out to be loads of fun too. It's just not what I wanted at all. Coupled with the monstrosity that was amiibo festival it was all just a bit too depressing. I have to blame many of you for the latter, I'm afraid. If you hadn't all started buying amiibo like loons we wouldn't be in this mess. 😉
To put my perspective in a couple of short sentences:
@RantingThespian Thats a surprisingly accurate analogy there. And sadly, it holds true for pretty much every game shown on the show.
AC fans get Mario Party, Paper Mario fans get Mario&Luigi (both RPGs with drastically different mechanics and gameplay focus), Metroid Fans get...well, a Co-Op shooter with a Soccer minigame. I dont even know what to compare it too.
Those might not even be bad games per se, but its just that they completely miss their target audience.
@bezerker99
>implying that petition would amount to anything
>implying those 7000+ people aren't making fools out of themselves
@NintendoFan990 hear hear if prime iv and the rest of the big guns are kept for the nx and a new audience then I'll be going elsewhere for my gaming.
@bezerker99
So many people are looking at it that the site is crashing!
@Shiryu my thoughts exactly. Tropical freeze was announced and people cried. This game is announced and people cried. But you know what? Prime 4 will be announced and those same people will still cry. They'll cry that something isn't exactly the way they think it should be. They'll cry because Nintendo changed something or didn't change something. They'll cry because Nintendo made a sequel instead of a complete new IP. I think these forums are a place where people can go to complain after they've chased everyone in their lives away because they're sick of their crying.
Prime fans are so stupid. A petition to cancel this game, really? It is entitled behavior when you consider that fans of 2D Metroid games have been waiting even longer than Prime fans. I've also heard people say this game will sell terribly, but most Metroid games don't sell well.
@AJ_Lethal I agree. That petition means nothing. Even if it does get the 7,500 signatures, nothing will change.
FYI - I do not endorse that petition and will not sign it.
Come off it Prime fans. Seriously. Metroid prime got a trilogy and a DS game, StarFox fans are seemingly never going to get a proper starfox rail shooting sequel. Don't even get me started on how screwed Mother fans are.
Am I the only person that thinks a first person shooter is not the 'ideal' area for samus to inhabit.
@Trickbaby14 Amen. Meanwhile, Nintendo stock just keeps rising... reminds me of "Game of Thrones" really: "OH MY GODS, THEY KILLED MY FAVOURITE CHARACTER! I'm not gonna watch this show ever again... until next episode."
Although I am upset about the MP:FF announcement, that petition is absurd and quite rude.
I'm not happy about this either, but a petition to cancel a game? Dear god...
Just a little ignorant. I feel bad for the folks at Next Level.
No Metroid is always best Metroid.
While some fans are pathetic I do understand their pain. If they make something like that with Fire Emblem I would be very pissed.
And I'm still trying forget yesterday.
The feeling to me was the same when the football team that I support (Fluminense, a Brazilian team), lost the final of the championship a few years ago. It was awful.
Nintendo can do what it wants with their franchises that is true, just like George Lucas could add as many aliens as he wanted with his Star Wars movies. Fanboys still ate it up at the box office and similar types will eat this game up too. In fact the game might actually be a lot of fun sure. Problem is, George Lucas became irrelevant as he ignorance for what his fans wanted went to far and Nintendo just accomplished this as well. They've been testing the patience of Wii U owners since day one, and sooner or later fans will leave. And die Hard fans are a stubborn bunch, once they leave, they don't come back. And that's the real problem for me. Not just this one game, but the presentation as a whole cannot be compared to any other event at E3 this year what they represented didn't evoke any significant positive reaction. MICROSOFT- We have tons of exclusives, third party games and the Hallowlens! SONY-We have tons of great exclusives, third party support and yes we listened to our fans, FF7 remake in full HD! NINTENDO- We have Mario Tennis and an Animal Crossing Board Game and an empty release calendar for 2016!
Next Level Games is a great developer, so even if this isn't the Metroid game people were wanting, we can at least expect that it will be fun and well made.
People have really gotta stop over-reacting to stuff on the internet.
Think of it as a spin-off and move on.
@kobashi100 after I've spent money on a wii u why should I buy new hardware just to get the games I could have had but nintendo were too cheap to make?.they made a ton off the wii n ds spend some of that n keep some goodwill with the fans that have actually stuck by them
We wanted an awesome game in order to be proud of Nintendo. Just like we're all happy Splatoon is doing so well!
Mario Maker is super Nintendo focussed, Starfox is to niche, just like Xenoblade Chronicles, no Xbox or Playstation owner is going to buy a Wii U for those games... but a Metroid? Maybe..
The point is that as Nintendo-fans we're backed up in a corner, whether we like it or not, and it's cool to be proud of Nintendo for listening to us and bringing the quality like Mario Kart, Smash, Splatoon, Rainbow Curse, Tropical Freeze, Wooly World, etc.
So many great games these past year, but there's not much on the horizon it seems. Especially since we're all afraid the NX will steal all the good games away...
Metroid Prime: Federation Force, and Animal Crossing Party are called slaps to our collective faces because we feel like Nintendo is letting us down, precisely when we need it the most.
The Wii U is a huge flop commercially, and that sucks for us because it has so much potential!! I never felt like I was missing out when the GC and the Wii were out, but now I am. Both Xbox and Sony seem to have listened to their fans when we look at their remodelled services and announced games that were asked for ages ago!! Shenmue, FF7, 360 backwards compatibility... :/
I am sad and disappointed because I feel Nintendo is wasting its potential
Hug your old Metroid titles and tell them you love them. You never know,....one day they might not be here.
Honestly, the reaction is SO stupid. If they announce no game for a franchise, people get mad that their franchise has been ignored. If they announce a new game in a franchise, it's not good enough. If they announce a new game for a franchise in a different style, then there is rage. There's no winning.
I don't care if a new game in a franchise isn't exactly like every other game in the series. It's a new game that looks fun. Nothing else should matter. It's not like they can't release another Metroid game just because these are coming out.
I really do feel sorry for Next Level Games. This game won't sell well at all - Tropical Freeze suffered in sales because it wasn't a Metroid game, and Metroid fans were pissed. Now this might hurt the chances of another proper Metroid game, and Next Level likely won't be trusted by Nintendo or Metroid fans with the series ever again.
I don't want to jump aboard the hate train but Federation Force looks very poor to me. This could change, if a robust single player experience is included.
I loved the main Prime games but did not like the previous spin offs either. I thought Hunters was impossible to control and the pinball game could not hold my attention for long.
I did however, love Other M. It was no Prime, but I think it deserves more credit.
@sevex "People have really gotta stop over-reacting to stuff on the internet."
Lol, good luck with that wish. I feel like in the last 3 or 4 years, the entire Internet has become a forum of overblown backlash to basically everything that happens, and then backlash to that backlash, and so on until the next trivial thing sucks up our collective attention. I like that the article tries to have an even handed discussion, but very few in forums seem interested in discussion anymore. It's all one giant flame war. It's turning me into a cranky old man.
From my perspective this game looks great, and being developed by Next Level fills me with confidence. But it's not Metroid. Spin-off or no. As a new IP I'd be hyped! As a side serving to the full WiiU entry we all hoped for I'd be hyped. As it stands? I just feel let down.
It feels like they slapped Metroid on it after, regardless if that was the case or not. Which in itself would be disappointing as I thought we were past that with the success of all their new IPs this gen (check the eShop). But specifically for it to be that franchise, that one we'd all be yearning for right from the start of the WiiU's life, that one that had such glaringly obvious potential for the machine? It felt like they actually, had no idea what they had with that franchise, what made it work and what made it special. It dented my confidence in Nintendo knowing what they're doing. Even Wii Music could be shrugged off as an eccentric experiment.
I feel bad for Next Level, this must be heart-breaking. They're super talented and I will support this because it's them. Not because it's Metroid branded.
@Shiryu Well thank you, but then again I didn't expect anything less. I'm just kind of in the middle. If this game is enjoyable and they would like, say it is going to be released on the Nintendo eShop then I might just give it a go because I already previously mentioned that besides the branding, I think it could very well be an entertaining game in and of itself.
And I might cry if a Metroid 4 ever gets released, but not like @Trickbaby14 said because I will still not be satisfied. No: I will cry tears of pure joy. Heck, I'd even be happy with Metroid Prime trilogy HD....
I understand the fans that are upset they don't get a 'true' Metroid game. But imho this game looks fun. I'll judge it for what it is, not for what it isn't when I finally get a chance to play it next year.
@D1Puck1T I didn't think twice about her heels in Smash, personally.
I really hope they don't cancel the game. Remember, these guys made Luigi's Mansion 2. Completely trust them after that. Plus, the 3DS needs more games, and it needs more multiplayer games. I think most people were expecting a 2D Metroid on 3DS and a FPS Prime style game on Wii U - and as a result people are understandably a bit annoyed; but I hope people give this a chance.
While it indeed wasn't what we were expecting, people are overreacting.
You kids want to be Spoonfed everytime with a silver or gold spoon?
Eventually a new good Metroid prime will come on.
This Galactic Federation game might attract younger audience, to prepare them for the full Metroid game we have been waiting.
It's really like the article says: it didn't have to be an enormous, galaxy-spanning adventure with good ol' Sammy - a return to the 2D roots with 16-bit visuals á la Super Metroid would've been enough, but even that seemed to be too much. I find some reactions very justified, but only in terms of keeping it real.
However, trying to get rid of this game entirely via petition is not only one of the most immature ways to express bitterness, it's also completely pointless by now. The game is known, Nintendo won't cancel it, and even if they did, the damage is already done. The same goes for people suddenly wanting Nintendo to go bankrupt over this: it's an insanely stupid overreaction, and is completely unjustifiable.
That's where I draw the line - I can hardly accept this being part of the Metroid franchise, but my reaction towards Link in Mario Kart 8 was largely similar, and I got over that, too (kinda, he's still banned on my WiiU). I'll never accept this as a part of the Metroid franchise together with Other M, but I won't deny the game possibly having potential - though I'm definitely not ready to face the game yet.
Also, a small side note: I told you Next Level Games don't know how to handle Metroid ever since these bizzare concepts appeared - so, yeah. Tolda ya so?
@Shiryu That's pretty narrow-minded of your friends, if I may be so blunt. They don't have to like it, but if you do, so be it.
I fully understand the disappointment, but as usual, people take it too far. Some people just have too much free time on their hands and no lives whatsoever.
@Gridattack That's an interesting point, maybe this game is a kid friendly version to get modern gamers into metroid? All in team for a new NX prime?
@Gridatttack It will eventually come, but not until NX (which appears to be a console replacement if Tanabe is to be believed). It sounds like they haven't been developing Prime 4 and it would take a least 3 years to make. At that point NX would be out. This says nothing of the more traditional metroid games that are made by Sakamoto. So I don't think Metroid fans will be satisfied anytime soon.
@Dizzard That's fair. I just think that the overhyped E3 cinematic trailer that does nothing to represent the game is a bad trend. I'm tired of seeing cinematic trailers that tell me nothing about what I will get to do as a player. Nintendo has stayed away from that for the most part over the last years. (The notable exception is Zelda WiiU). I'm always happier when I see gameplay, even if it's not what I expected.
@Dezzy Entitlement is never good, fool.
This is a game that'd better be served by having a less on the nose name. Galactic Federation Force, for instance. Or if the Metroid Prime name is needed, pair it with information on a fuller Metroid game.
The calls for its cancellation are ridiculous, but the backlash is understandable and also carries the accelerant of coming on a Digital Event that was -very- light, with other missteps like Animal Crossing amiibo Festival (on a console that has Wii Party U and Mario Party 10 in its short lifespan) and a finish that, while for a good cause, was ultimately lacking and poorly placed compared to a 'one more thing' announcement.
I want to see more of it, but I'm not sure if it, with its multiplayer focus, is for me. Same with Four Swords Minus One.
I am sure that this game did not start its life as a Metroid game. Nintendo are bad for taking a game that could probably stand on its own and the tacking on a familiar IP to try and raise its profile (Star Fox Adventures anyone). I feel sorry for Next level Games on this. I'm sure they were eagerly waiting to see how Metroid fans would react and they must be pretty gutted.
On the one hand, this is not the Metroid game that fans were hoping for.
On the other hand, the extreme negative reaction is so over the top as to be juvenile. I can only shake my head at how angry some people are about a flipping video game. If you don't like it, then don't buy it.
Personally, I am going to wait and see what the reviews are like. If its stands up well as a single player experience then I will buy it. If co-op is the only way to really enjoy this game then it will be a pass from me. I have a feeling that after the reaction from Metroid fans Next Level Games will be told to refocus some of their effort to raise the quality of the single player experience. At least I hope that is what will happen.
@Shiryu I agree that we don't have to buy if we don't want to. But since it has the metroid name attached to it and we don't buy, it gives Nintendo every right to stop making Metroid games since it doesn't sell. I think the metroid name just needs to be dropped and renamed or just keep the federation force. Other than that it looks like a good game and might try it out depending if I can play alone.
Metroid is not a system seller. Nintendo is trying to make the series appeal to a wider audience. I can understand that. I think the game looks fun.
@Kaze_Memaryu I live in a Sony dominated market, so I try to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I don't think my expectations were specific and harsh. Literally, all they had to do to make me happen was say "Here's Samus". That's pretty much it. It could have been Prime 4, classic Metroid, Other M 2, it could have even still been Federation Force, as long as Samus is there I would have been happy.
"I want more Samus" being the only thing I ask of in a new Metroid is hardly harsh or specific. I mean, you wouldn't release a new Super Mario platformer and not have Mario be the lead character.
The Metroid crowd is tough to please! I was disappointed as well that Metroid Prime 4 wasn't announced but what's the incentive for Nintendo making it now? The Wii U is on the way out and the fans are too finicky about what the game has to be (see Other M).
My initial reaction to Blastball during the NWC was the same I had to that stupid submarine game and Rusty's Real Deal baseball. The reaction being, "This is friggin' stupid." Then they tacked the Metroid brand onto it and I wasn't happy. I thought the game was fugly during the NWC and now it's fugly, stupid, and ultimately pointless.
I won't fault people for being angry, disappointed, or for liking it; I've only played and completed 1,2, and Super, but the rest are in my backlog and I was not exactly pleased. Oh well, one less game for me to worry about buying. Though I will say that first impressions in this business are everything and not alienating fans of a franchise or insulting them is very important or you end up having your game flop like a 600lb. man in a swimming pool e.g. DMC. Well, DMC had a Donte what nickname should we give to the totally not Samus character.
Poor Next Level Games, Nintendo just doomed them
@Tao But at the same time a super Mario Platformer without Mario would be freakin' awesome, especially if it had Waluigi or Wario as the main character.
And also there's technically New Super Luigi U.
Personally, I'd have been 12x more excited if the federation soldiers where in Samus-like suits and not bulky mech things. And while I'm not absolutely pissed, I don't think I'd buy this cuz it just looks like a generic space fps with Metroid slapped on the title. I didn't watch all the gameplay but from what I saw the only metroid thing I saw was Super Missiles. And that's just missiles with the word super in front.
I feel sorry for Next Level Games, I hope they don't feel discouraged by this. My thought is, the game looks fun but multiplayer focus is a little worrying, I hope they have decent single player campaign as well.
Let's get over this. Asking the game to be cancelled is stupid beyond reason. We know next to nothing about this game. What if they blown you away in their next direct as they show more details? Yeah, that could happen, they did this multiple times already. Let's not give up hope, it could be a faithful spin-off to the Metroid Prime universe.
I think the bigger insult is Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival, that just... uh... I thought Animal Crossing Happy Home Designer is already bad, but this is just worse.
Metroid just blasted its balls.
It's never been more obvious than now that nintendo has zero respect for its fans and the bottom line is trying to make shareholders happy. I believe sony/microsoft have shown a far better balance between the two this year, between the ffvii remake, rare compilation, backwards compatibility etc, it shows thats fans are being listened to and there trying to meet their expectations. Nintendo just s**t on their loyalist supporters at every opportunity this gen giving games nobody wanted but somebody somewhere thought would sell to the casuals and the kids. Everything shown screamed cash and I wont be buying nintendos next console until the games I want are out on it near the end of its lifecycle.
I remember reggie apologising at the end of the wii's lifecycle that there werent enough titles for core and improving on it next time around and there's actually been nothing this gen, spare a few titles. It's obvious now the nx is the big focus for nintendo and that they've all but given up on the u and I for one wont be buying there bulls**t next time around. I dont actually care what they announce or the lies they speak, I'll hold onto the wii u for the last few titles because its worth nothing now and luckily I have an xbone but I wont buying there next home console based on false promises alone which tbh is what they've been peddling for years.
“What I’ll tell you is that with the Wii we did not have the benefit of multiplatform games from key publishers. I didn’t have The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. I didn’t have the best of the Call of Duty games. That’s what I missed. With the Wii U’s graphics capability, processing power, and HD-output, we’ll get those games. That’s a huge competitive advantage versus where we were with the Wii.” Yeah right Reggie, why worry about core games when muck like wii fit sells so well.
That's all the internet needed was something else to complain about. Why are we not ok with something a bit different for the series? I'm a metroid fan too, but man. Chill.
The trailer didn't impress me (neither did the rest of the presentation).
That being said, this is being developed by Next Level Games, who made Punch-Out!! Wii, Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon and both Super Mario Strikers games. For me, that is enough to think it won't be bad. Of course I'd rather have a traditional Metroid (Prime or not), but it's unfair to judge a game, this or any other, from a trailer less than a minute long. So when I play it, or at least have an extensive look at it, will I consider whether to buy it or not.
Also, I didn't knew people were so reactionary. Zelda had spin-offs. Mario had spin-offs, quite a lot of them. Why can't Metroid have one? Yes, it's not the best way to end five years of Metroid drought, but it's being made by a quality developer. No need to channel all the frustration with Nintendo into a single game.
@Shiryu I feel the same way. It definitely wasn't the traditional game the hardcore fans wanted, but it's something different. I love the game,but now I only need to find some other people to play it with. 😝
I've heard ENOUGH! This game is a freaking 4-player co-op spinoff! WHAT IS THE FREAKING BIG DEAL? This is coming out to hold fans over until the next real Metroid game, because Nintendo is the last company that doesn't make shovelware bull$@#! Did people react like this with Metroid Prime Pinball?! IT'S A DAMN SPINOFF! Nintendo has stated hundreds of times that they won't use an IP unless they have an idea for it! F-Zero hasn't got a sequel because they don't have a fresh idea to differentiate from GX! Also, this looks like a ton of fun, and it's one of my favourite things they showed at E3. God forbid Nintendo tried something different...
Nintendo = innovation and not releasing the same games over and over. The minute they become another EActiubibox, Nintendo will begin their exit from video games.
Another Prime would really be too much of what we've already seen, people seem to be judging this as quickly as HALO fanboys when sprint and bloom were introduced. Let's wait and see, it could be the next reinvention that Metroid needs.
@mozie I think quick and easy cash in on old material is more about pleasing shareholders than being innovative and risky.
Sure, it's the internet, and a lot of comments were crazy but any company worth its salt has to read between the lines here. Yesterday's outpouring of bile was pretty extraordinary but it spoke volumes. It's not even about Federation itself per se, which is probably fun. It's the fact that diehard fans felt betrayed that the platform they have invested in and passionately defended is seemingly being wrapped up before its time... and without a beloved single-player experience we think could have justified our HD purchase. Just look at how much the other CEOs bleated on about listening to fans; it's important to stay competitive.
Can you imagine PS3 or PS4 just skipping Uncharted for a generation? Would Microsoft ignore Halo or Forza on Xbox One just... because? Customers would go nuts. Nintendo, for all their glorious idiosyncrasies, seem to have pushed the loyalty of its customers too far this time. One can only hope they listen but, judging by the outpouring I saw last night, it feels like many will approach NX or any future Nintendo platform with more caution than we're used to. It's really sad, yes, but no company nowadays can expect brand loyalty to be lifelong.
Now we're in a strange limbo. Do we buy more games for Wii U or wait, wait to buy them on the eShop when NX happens (whatever it is) or just put the money into a PS4 or Xbox One instead? That's partly where this anger is coming from.
Entitled? Maybe. But it was more than that and Nintendo will ignore it at their peril.
So there's a petition to cancel the game!? That's just absolutely disgusting, anyone who signed that should be ashamed of themselves. Fan reaction went way overboard with this one, Fans don't deserve a new Prime game no matter how much they pay.
@Morpheel Here here. These reactions are what's making me ashamed to call myself a Nintendo fan.
@aaronsullivan @Hero-of-WiiU Can't agree more with you guys.
The petition to cancel the game is sad. Is this all supposed to encourage Nintendo to keep trying with Metroid? Other M got irrational hate. Now this game. If I was Nintendo I think I'd just drop it for another 5 years or so. It's not that much money.
@Hero-of-WiiU
A petition doesn't really strike me as disgusting...Petitions are thrown around so casually these days that they've practically lost all meaning. Petitions have turned into a sad, pathetic joke.
@Hero-of-WiiU @Giygas_95 @aaronsullivan @Tao
The petition is just absurd. Nintendo won't cancel a game that seems to be in the final stage of development because less than 10000 people tell them to (not that it would be cancelled if 10000, or 100000 petitioners requested.).
I just feel like as the 90s gets further and further from us, the rage at it being left behind becomes more and more overwhelming. All these cheers at these endless remakes and sequels, along with the reviews of NEW games that compare current games to stuff many of us have never played. Try finding a good review of a Pokemon game that is written for a new fan, rather than a long-time fan, for example.
Federation Force will be SOMEONE'S first Metroid game, and there should be room for those people in the fandom too. And, hey, maybe they'll go back and play Prime and demand more of that! That's a thing that happens, isn't it?
(Anyway, I think this game looks like Rescue Heroes but it could be fun and it's not like there are FPSs on 3DS).
@MadAdam81 The reasoning behind this was to extend the franchise to kids plain and simple, the hardcore will buy it anyway because it has the metroid name attached or so they believe, minimal risks an tbh what we've seen so far hasen't been exactly innovative.
@Stubborn_Monkey The petition is more a message to Nintendo telling them that we don't like what they are doing to our beloved franchises.
Forget the petition - that's a (grim) sideshow. The real problem is the near unanimous disappointment to the presentation as a whole.
@Evenmoresteven
But that's where your logic runs off track. You ASSUME this is "instead of" despite them saying point blank past year they are pursuing MULTIPLE games in 2D and Prime style on both Wii U and 3DS.
I already know Retro is working on a new entry. All they do is Metroid and DKC, and DKC's turn is up.
So all these people freaking out like this is the new direction of the franchise are gonna feel pretty stupid when the next mainline series entries are announced. Only then it'll be too late because this game will have already taken such a beating.
You can't SERIOUSLY think this is what they have planned as the future of the franchise. It most likely IS a spinoff for the new entries being developed, a stopgap entry, as you stated, to tide us over until the real game is announced
@Hero-of-WiiU
I'm legitmately embarassed to call myself a metroid fanboy after this juvenile display of idiocracy.. If metroid fans don't like the game, don't friggen buy it, but don't ruin it for those who actually have a few brain cells left and want to give a game with only 2 minutes of footage known about it a chance. The only slap to the face in the game is the graphics, but that's something so biased and stupid when minecraft of all things has over a billion sales with it's graphics. Every franchise has it's best and worst game, and people need to except that metroid has had a really good run.. and that's assuming this game will be terrible, as by the looks of it, it seems a lot more entertaining then pinball..
Ok, I'm not in the mood to read 200+ comments, so it's quite possible that someone here already made my point, but I'm going to say it anyway.
I'm not pissed that this is not the Metroid I want. The problem I have with this game lies with the Galactic Federation.
Here's the problem: Other M story was a piece of crap that transformed Samus in a dumb little girl in love with an dominating assh*le. It's Fifty Shades of Grey: The Game. And it also ruined the entire canon, since it doesn't make the slightest sense to have Samus working for the Federation in any moment of her life. Things were simple and made sense before: Samus was raised and trained by the Chozo, they were destroyed by the Space Pirates, Samus seeks justice and finds the perfect ally on the Federation. But now she served there? With her armor and her weapons? And the Federation not only accepted it, they didn't try to study and replicate her armor? This is stupid.
And now I see Nintendo trying desperately to validate this element of the canon with a game focused on the Federation.
No. That won't make things better. Samus is ruined and now Nintendo wants us to accept that the important is the universe, and not the character. Wrong. Characters are important. Samus is important. And the Federation is not.
That's why I hate this game and want it changed. Taken out of the Metroid universe. Make a new IP, anything. Just stop pretending we don't care about Samus. I can't talk on behalf of every Nintendo fan, but at least I care about her. And I want her back.
@VanillaLake
Against a silent majority that doesn't complain, or simply doesn't care? Not very effective.
I think it looks great now, even though I was initially disappointed. I'm looking forward to it.
But I'm horrified that this is still an issue, and worse that 6000 pricks want a game cancelled and actually feel they have a right to demand it. Of all the things in the world to give a damn about!
@earthboundlink I've noticed it too and it really scares me. I am actually really careful about voicing my opinion on the internet these days, cause you never know when you might say the wrong thing.
Nintendo couldent give a damn about petitions or fans, Reggie said as much over the xenoblade one so it's a waste of time in truth. They seem to live in a bubble over there at nintendo its getting ridiculous at this stage.
Not even a little chance to buying it, I hate it.
@IkariStrider
Cause everybody hated halo reach and halo wars since master chief wasn't in it.. or pikmin 3 cause olimar wasn't the main character. Majora's Mask cause zelda, despite being in the title, never appeared.
Samus is fine, and tbh there isn't anything for her to do really, she's already done it all from killing the ing horde, the x parasite, leading the federation to war, and killing all metroids.. anything else is kinda just recycled ideas. This game could explain how she found the federation in the first place (since prime games take place after she leaves zebes for the first time). Or it can be while samus was in her coma from the phazon entity dark samus in corruption and they are trying to harnest phazon for the PED suits. We don't know what the game will have yet, and cancelling it is only worsening the issue.
All this hate for the game isn't bringing another prime game in creation.. nintendo already frowned on the franchise for not being popular in Japan, and if it's rejected in the West, why the hell would nintendo ever consider making a second atempt?
I want to give up on gaming not because of Nintendo but because of the ridiculous cry-baby attitudes of the fans. It is just absurd. I thought the whole point of Nintendo is to be non-judgmental and just wait and try it for yourself. Playing is believing, but I mean this has been going on since the early days. Wind Waker anyone?
Clueless Nintendo
By the time Wii U is 3 years old there will still be no sniff of a Metroid, Zelda has scampered off into the future possibly to pastures new and arguably no genuine 3d Mario game (yes it's fun but no Galaxy or Mario64).
Can you imagine Sony announcing Uncharted football and other activities without Nathan Drake before Uncharted 4 or a Ratchet and Clank board game before a new chapter in the series.
I have owned every Nintendo console but I'm seriously considering not bothering with the NX
It's just a spinoff. For those who don't care that it's a spinoff, Here's a straw.
Now suck it up.
@IkariStrider Metroid Other M's story was actually about trauma and loss IN SPACE. It's just that the game portrays it as "Samus tries to impress a man".
@MegaBeedrill
There's far more issues than just the graphics though, its not a metroid game. Metroid for me personally is about playing as samus, scanning, exploration, isolation. This game has none of that, its not metroid, if anyone believes a metroid game is about 'blast ball' iam sure they'll enjoy it.
@mozie And you're basing that off of 2 minutes of trailer footage and a small tech demo. We don't know what this game will have. Scanning might still be in the game, we don't know. (although I doubt it since the enemy name is displayed)
It's obvious the game is a spin-off, like prime pinball.. it doesn't have to resemble metroid perfectly. Link's crossbow didn't, it was just archery with the name slapped on it, nobody complained. Exploration could still be in the game, we don't know cause again for christ sakes, we didn't see the full game. Isolation is obviously not in here, and boo hoo it doesn't have to be, to be a metroid spin off... honestly, there wasn't even any isolation in MP corruption with the federation being led to war.. or hunters with all the other hunters around.. just cherry picked excuses.
@Yorumi I totally agree. I'm not even sure how much this is about Metroid when you boil it down. I think it's frustration at Nintendo for their non-responsiveness in general, region locking and other issues. The petition may be misguided and puerile but the community really lost it last night. It's down to Nintendo to parse what that means and how to win us back - they can't take us for granted in this marketplace.
I didn't know there were still so many Metroid fans left until yesterday. Hopefully Nintendo will do something about it so they can stop complaining and trashing the company for the most stupid reasons.
@Link506 Come 2016, count on me.
I'd say the entitlement comes over a bit extreme from some, but if you've been good enough to give Nintendo money for one of their consoles then they ought to support it adequately. One game I'm interested in every 4 to 6 months really isn't good enough now is it?
It's a side game, a spin-off. A main entry game is inevitable. Nothing I'm going to get myself worked up over, but to each their own. Vote with your wallet.
I'm not even a metroid fan, but I can feel their pain. Same thing goes for Animal Crossing fans (myself) waiting for an Animal Crossing game on Wii U. What we got yesterday was pathetic. Really?? Animal Crossing Amiibo Tap!? Boo. No one wants that. I want to like Nintendo. This is the company I grew up to love, but the decisions they are making lately has angered me
I think the anger over it is overblown, but it wasn't a smart move of Nintendo to take a game that plays nothing like a Metroid-game and slap the Metroid name on it anyway, that just makes it seem like a cash-grab by relying on an established title, Splatoon proved that a new IP can work if the game is good, so there's no need for this sort of trickery, is there?
@Stubborn_Monkey What you have to compare is the good feedback and the bad feedback. You can't compare any of them to the silent people that is busy with other stuff at the moment or just complaining to their friends and family.
@JaxonH Wow, you really haven't heard the latest news. Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but there's not another Metroid game in development right now.
@VanillaLake
How many times has a game had bad pre-release reception, or just caused controversy, and then enjoyed good sales? I'd say the ultimate way to tell that a video game is disliked is to let it be a disaster in terms of revenue. If there's active hostility before a launch but then money starts to come, it gives the impression that there's a demand for the product and that the only thing in need of repair is how to promote said product.
Seems to me Nintendo has become quite aware that the fanbase isn't pleased with this year's E3 presentation, but it's the economic outcome what will be decisive.
It looks pretty fun to me, then again, I love local multiplayer/Co-op games, and I really did not enjoy the Metroid Prime games. So there ya go!
(People will hate me for saying that, I know, but if I really cared that much what the internet thought of me, I would be dead by now.)
@D1Puck1T
The jet heels in Smash I thought was fun, but now I'm wondering if they were actually mocking Samus and Metroid fans. Or maybe just mocking Other M.
@IkariStrider
You sir win the internet for today. I'm usually quite good at putting my thoughts into words so I was sitting here thinking the very same things: The Federation are complete idiots. They can't even handle bugs that die in one shot from Samus's MOST BASIC GUN in Metroid Prime 2. However I've been holding my tongue because I feared once I started, I'd be unable to stop.
Thank you for expressing what I've been wanting to express. However from what I understand the Federation did apparently study her weapons somewhat. They seemed to have adopted her Power Suit design and weaponry into their forces. Just a lot weaker.
@MegaBeedrill
I disagree strongly. There is more than enough for Nintendo to work with. A sequel to fusion for example, detailing Samus and the consequence of what happened aboard the BSL, Prime 3 ended with a nod to a sequel, etc. The series isn't played out like Mega Man, there's really only been about 10 or so games. Lastly, you're just dismissing everyone's arguments as whining because you can't be bothered to argue intelligently about it. Metroid fans have a reason to be upset.
Nintendo almost comes off as spiteful with this whole thing. You don't show METROID PRIME and then have it be this. It's intentionally teabagging an already suffering fanbase. My only other explanation is Nintendo is so out of touch they honestly did not know their fans were dying for a new Prime or 2D metroid.
@Evenmoresteven
I stand corrected and I believe I owe you an apology. That's horrible news and I partially want to believe retro is still working on a new game. Maybe I'm just being naïve
Dude this is like the exact same gameplay from Metroid Prime: Hunters, just because you fanboys didn't like the game doesn't mean that Nintendo could never make a game like it. Personally speaking I was surprised to see them do Blast Ball initially as a separate IP that was similar to Hunters. I thought it was a good change a pace to take an old form of gameplay that didn't work before and apply it now. The fact that Metroid is in the title is because its a spinoff, which means that the spirit of what made Metroid good will ultimately be included within the game. Even if no one like the chibiness than they just shouldn't buy it if they hate it that much, but don't try and shut it down because you don't like the label. Get with it or get out.
@JaxonH I didn't know you had more information of a new Metroid Prime game than the producer of those games.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/06/next_metroid_prime_home_console_title_would_likely_now_be_on_nx
The hate for this game is excessive, but from what I've seen so far, it doesn't look that good in terms of Metroid standards. If this was a brand new IP, then people may have had a slightly more positive reaction.
@Ezekas
Please look 6 inches above and read my post.
If you ever just known something with all your heart and totally believed it to be true? Like believing your son would never steal from you. Can you believe it so blindly did nobody can convince you otherwise because it would just be unheard of. That's how much I believed they had MP4 in development. Because it would be UNHEARD of for them not to. Especially having given attention to all other franchises- Metroid was far past due.
Then you know that feeling when you find out the truth? You find out your son is a lying thief and has been stealing from you for years? Feeling where you're just totally crushed because the unheard-of has become a reality. That's kind of how I feel right now.
Reasons I dislike this game:
-It's a metroid game in name only. It has nothing to do with Metroid, not even the art style or naming conventions (?) are similar (the ice monster thing is called...ice beast... ... ...while other species in the series have names such as Chozo, Tatori, Etecoon, and of course, Metroid).
-It's an spin-off. I'm sick and TIRED of Nintendo spin-offs, it's the reason so many people are tired of Mario already. Why do that to Zelda, Metroid and Animal Crossing?
-It's not a Wii U game. Not only does the game look worse than freaking Hunters, it's a multiplayer-focused game. Why not make it a console game?
-It's not a new IP. Would anyone really be mad if this game didn't carry the Metroid name? No.
Think of it this way: When Codename S.T.E.A.M. was announced, most people didn't really care about it. They thought the art style looked ugly so they decided not to buy it.
...Now imagine if that game was the new Advanced Wars.
In my life I've learned that I don't need a hot blonde to make me happy. Maybe Metroid fans need to learn that too.
@Melkac
Exactly. Imagine if Splatoon used Mario characters the way it originally intended. Blastball is fine as a new IP but not fine as a Metroid game. This kind of crap is something from the friggin 90's where game designers thought it was cute to take a game like SaGa and call it Final Fantasy Legend. It was frustrating then and it's frustrating now. You can't treat us like we're idiots anymore, we're grown up now and we can see through the BS!
@skjia You're completely missing the point...
They really should have left the Metroid name off this and made it a new IP. Plus it looks poor, like a mobile game. Next Level are better than this.
@Onion Okay people need to lighten up.
1. It was a joke, you know, to be funny.
2. It looks and plays like a Metroid Prime game, except with co-op. The only reason it's "not a metroid game" is because Samus isn't in it. So yeah, based on the very little information we've seen, it's basically Metroid without the hot blonde.
And just to make it clear, Metroid is my favorite Nintendo franchise.
"Ultimately, though, the creator doesn't have all the power - it's a relationship with consumers."
Quite. And if consumers don't get what they want they're entitled to complain and entitled to go elsewhere. You'd think Nintendo may have realised this after 100 million console sales to 10 million but apparently not.
@skjia
Sorry, was not aware it was a joke, I'm a bit tone deaf over the Internet.
As for your point, I think you're in the minority here or have not played a Metroid Prime game. It has nothing in common with Metroid except for the multiplayer element and even that is stretching it fiercely. It has less to do with the lack of Samus and more to do with the lack of Metroid in the game. You know, the source material the game is named after and supposed to be representing? If you can't tell this isn't a Metroid game then I doubt you're a terribly serious Metroid fan. This a 4vs4 Splatoon type game that doesn't have any business bearing the Metroid name. Had it been left simply as Blastball or something else, no one would care. There's a big difference between a new IP and simply sucking on a franchise like Metroid for monetary gain. Dismissing it as "Metroid without the hot blonde" (who has a name, fyi) shows not only how little you know (or care) about the franchise but also works more to prove my point than anything else.
Also as a disclaimer I'm not trying to use the "UR NOT A TRU FAN" argument, but rather pointing out that even non-metroid fans can recognize that this is not a Metroid game. It's a game bearing the Metroid title but is not Metroid. Scroll up through the sea of comments to see arguments as to why, I'm not about to recycle them for you.
This could be a great game for the 3ds and I will probably buy it. However a lot of people wanted a wii u metroid game. Let's hope the big N get the message and the NX gets a full on metroid game.
Listen, I'm the first to admit the conferance wasn't to my expectations, but I cannot help but admire Nintendo at E3 they give us things nobody else does, the championships and let us not forget the smash bros direct, which I would argue had it been in the conferance people would be a lot less disgruntled with what we saw, or shall we say of what little we saw. I never got into metroid, I've playe the 2d ones and loved them and plan to get into the prime series also, as I'm sure I'll love them too, I don't know the differentiation between this game and the original games, obviously besides character etc. but gameplay if I'm honest from what I consider an outside perspective, honestly I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that when I saw it in the treehouse......I thought it looked pretty good...hmm..is that bad?
Also I think it's blindingly obvious their attempt to keep us sweet with starfox and metroid until NX was blindingly obvious, only it backfired and they had to apologise for there conferance
Looks to me that most dev teams are working on the NX - which they said was not the case. What other reason could they have for such week offerings? Again, these games may be fun, but without 3rd party releases to fill in the gaps it just looks like a sad slate. I loved the style of the Event as usual. So charming. Had me smiling. But by the end I was so underwhelmed that I watched the other press conferences to see what they had. I think I've decided to purchase a PS4. A revived Square Enix with a FF VII remake, Kingdom Hearts III, Fallout 4, Arkham...I'll just play Xenoblade and Zelda and maybe even Federation Force (it looks like a Nintendo Land game; which we love - in fact I would have been much more excited for a Nintendo Land 2) next year on the Wii U I bought for my brother at launch. Still love my 3DS, but I was hoping I would be pushed over the edge into getting my own Wii U after this week...but what's the point? And I'm not waiting for an NX. I know I'll love the PS4 this generation. Love you Nintendo. See you in the living room next gen?
@Onion I've played all the Metroid games. And I was being facetious by calling it Metroid without the hot blonde.
Your post also shows how little you've seen of the game. It is in no way a 4vs4 splatoon like game. It is a co-op game with up to four players and you go on missions.
I'm also not sure how you can claim there are no metroids in the game. And it takes place in the Metroid universe; hence Metroid in the title.
I have no idea if the game will be good or bad, but the reaction people have had to the very, tiny bit of information we've seen is ridiculous. The gameplay looks very much based off the prime games but with co-op. Yeah the graphics are a little more kid friendly. Oh well. I would think Nintendo fans would know by now graphics mean nothing compared to gameplay.
Never judge a book by its cover. It doesn't mean it'll be good but people should at least give it a chance.
Not interested..
@skjia
By 4vs4 I actually meant the blastball part, which was 3vs3, so I was definitely incorrect about that part no matter how you look at it. This game began as Blastball when it was first unveiled and at no point did they ever say it was Metroid (to my knowledge) until yesterday. All they did was slap Metroid Prime into the title.
That aside I've seen just as much of the game as you or anyone else has. I never acually claimed there were no Metroids in the game, but that there was a lack of source material, which is something that is undeniable as of right now. But since you mention it, there are no traces of Metroids so far, so that actually does more to strengthen my argument than deter it.
Unfortunately you fell for the whole thing hook, line, and sinker. Just because a game bears a title doesn't mean it is actually part of the series. Many games have incorrect titles, such as Final Fantasy Adventure, Final Fantasy Legend, etc.. And believe me those are not Final Fantasy games.
I do agree there is no way to say if the game is good or bad and I mentioned before that the game should be judged by it's own merits. Which is impossible to do when it's named after a series it has so far proven to have little relation to. Take out the Metroid name and there you go.
I don't really want to get into this because I'm just rehashing what I'm sure thousands have already said on twitter and such, but here goes... 6 reasons why this is not a Metroid game, let alone a Prime game.
1. The graphic style. Graphics don't matter but Metroid has always had 2 distinct styles. The anime style from Super Metroid and most of the 2D games (although darker in tone), and the Prime games, which feature semi-realistic 3D graphics and again a darker tone. This sudden change to cutesy chibi graphics completely undermines the series. Metroid has always been viewed as the more mature of the Nintendo lineup, having been loosely based on an R rated sci-fi slasher film. The Chibi style, while cute and fine by itself, has about as much to do with Metroid as a bowl of Fruit Loops. Sure, if you squint that green fruitloop may resemble a Metroid. But it's just a green fruitloop. It's easy to dismiss this as "just graphics" but it's more than that, it's an overall tone. You know what else would be a great idea? A Great Theft Auto game where all the characters have a super deformed artstyle. It'd go over about as well.
2. The weaponry only barely resembles Metroid technology. The arm cannons and beams are incredibly weak looking and are, in all honesty, embarassing compared to the terrawatts of power the beams Samus uses contain. They even sound weak. It's like comparing the massive, colorful charge shots from the X Buster to Mega Man's little pea shooting lemon gun. Even the lock on seems weak. Have you seen a Plasma Beam? A morph ball? A power bomb? A grapple beam? How about anything that resembles a Metroid weapon? Other than a basic charge beam, I haven't seen a damn thing that resembles anything like Metroid weaponry. Even the Marines from Prime 2 and 3 had more fitting weapons than they do here. See an ice beam? Nope.. A missile? Well, I didn't see one except once, so I am not entirely sure about that. A super missile? Nope. Screwattack? Negative. What do we get? Generic weaponry with names like "Repair Capsule" and "Slow Beam." Yawn.
3. The monsters are generic. It could very easily have used the Sheegoth or other monsters, but instead we get what appears to be generic monsters with generic names. This is a point raised by others but if this is a Metroid game, why is the ice monster called "ice beast" and not a Sheegoth? Nintendo and the fans defending them lose the right to call this a Metroid game when they can't even bother to use the monster names. That's lazy. "Goliath beetle"? Really? The "Trooper" doesn't even have "Pirate" in the name. It's almost as if it was never intended to be a Metroid game and the name was slapped on! Oh wait...
4. Wrong genre. People who know nothing of Metroid are probably quick to label the games as shooters, but this is inaccurate. Metroid games are exploration based adventure games where isolation plays a major role in the game. This has none of those qualities. It's an action/sports game. How can anyone look at this and possibly see Metroid? The only thing it has in common with Metroid are the arm canons, the armor design, and the HUD. Can you imagine if Xcom became a FPS? How about Civilisation becoming a life sim? The only thing this has in common with Metroid or Prime (besides the things I already listed) is the first person view. This is a generic first person shooter, Metroid Prime is not. That's a first person adventure (at least that was how it was marketed). That's like trying to claim that Resident Evil 4 is in the same genre as Resident Evil 2 even though the two games are night and day. How does an intense exploration based series suddenly transform into a multiplayer game seemingly overnight? If nothing else they could have simply called it Metroid Hunters: Federation Force. Even the Lego games do a better job of using the source material than the 12 minute of footage I saw from this game.
5. No trace of source material. Can you find a Metroid anywhere there? No? Can you show me anything from a Metroid game in there? No? Then I believe we're done here. And don't tell me the ice stage is Phendrana Drifts. It's called The Lost World.
6. No Samus. How can you have a Metroid game without Samus? Not even including her in the game at all (from what we've seen) is not a good sign at all. It makes the game appear as if it had a big name like Metroid shoe-horned in. Oh wait...
In conclusion, I actually agree with you about it probably being a good game and I said before in another article that it DOES look fun. But it's not Metroid. It can pretend to be Metroid all it wants, it isn't. And there's simply no way to convince me or anyone else who feels the same that this game has anything to do with Metroid other than the title it bears and having armored guys in arm cannons. And if that's all it takes for a game to pass off as Metroid, then I guess Microsoft also has a Metroid series called Halo.
From what I've seen it looks like a fun multiplayer title that me and my friends can play trough together. What I don't like though is that it's called Metroid. If this was a new IP 1st person sci-fi shooter I think the reaction would have been a lot less negative.
I kind of sensed most people would take this game like wearing a pair of wet socks lol. who knows it might be fun so keep that in mind. my opinion is that it just doesn't look anything like metroid and probably shouldn't have the metroid name on it. people may actually feel better about it if that was the case. Again, the Wii-U is just doing so bad when things like this happen it raised peoples frustrations.
I feel awful for Next Level. It actually looked like fun little game. I was more upset by the double Animal Crossing (2013 Directs soured me on hearing about anything related to the franchise since it took so long to hear remotely anything about XCX or SMT x FE) and Yoshi's Wooly World getting yet MORE TIME explaining it when it didn't need it. At least FE Fates, SMT x FE, and XCX trailers all happened in a row, so I could stop the video right after.
Note to, well, just about everyone: referring to your entitlement as valid criticism and then taking offense that it is being given the proper description makes you even more ridiculous than if you just had a meltdown and started screaming ME WANT PWIME! Note to me: such ridiculous people are incapable of recognizing that, and I should just stop wasting my time.
I really wanted E3 to tell me what Retro, Next Level, and Hashimoto from Platinum were working on. I got two out of three. And I get to play them on hardware I own. Next Level has proven themselves more than capable, and everyone should be excited that they are giving us a game in the Metroid franchise. That's right: Metroid Prime: Federation Force is a game in the Metroid franchise. And it deserves to be judged, sold, and played strictly based on its own merits, not upon what it isn't nor what it isn't intended to be. Anyone who does not understand that concept, or who judges, refuses to buy, or refuses to play it for reasons having nothing to do with the game itself is a [redacted out of respect for the good people of NintendoLife who have to put up with this nonsense, even though a whole bunch of people have proven themselves worse than [redacted] who totally deserve it.].
@PanurgeJr
Thanks for telling us how we should feel, it makes life a lot easier on us when we have superior life forms such as yourself explain to us how we should think, feel, or what opinions we are entitled to.
I recommend you scroll up at my post if you truly want to debate Metroid qualities of this game instead of just randomly yelling and bold texting at everyone, telling them how they should feel. But then you would have to use an actual argument instead of buzzwords about entitlement, so I don't expect much in the way of actual logic or reasoning from you.
Remember folks, opinions are a thing. There's no need to try and invalidate them by abusing buzzwords that don't have anything to do with the subject. This is not about entitlement, this is about Nintendo delivering something no one asked for while blatantly ignoring what fans have been begging about for 7+ years. I don't know about the rest of the fanbase, but I never once said "Gee, we really need a Metroid game without Samus where you play as a bunch of nameless and faceless Federation Marines who run around on a planet shooting generically named monsters who bear little to no resemblance to Metroid and has a weird version of soccer where 3 people take turns shooting a ball into a hole in a wall."
Maybe I'm just weird.
@Onion Oh, my bold texting wasn't random. And I'm going to follow the note I gave myself and not construct an actual argument that would be a waste of my time.
@PanurgeJr
Well, okay then. Suit yourself. I'd rather not argue about the whole thing anyway.
If they were releasing this on Wii U, I maybe could understand the outrage. But does anyone really want the continuation of the main Metroid Prime saga to take place on the 3DS? This is a spin-off title, if you're that offended, just pretend it doesn't exist. I think it looks like it could be fun.
Also, I saw Triforce Heroes mentioned above as another big disappointment. I'm sorry, but that game looks great. And it's a Zelda game with online multiplayer, I didn't think we'd ever see that from Nintendo. They've been so adamant that all their other co-op games are meant to be played in the same room with other people.
I do think the Animal Crossing game looks dumb. I'm not even against doing a Mario Party-style game in that universe, but it looks like the blandest board game experience ever. It looks like Mario Party without the mini-games. Who in the world wants to play that?
I do think people are being quite dramatic considering that since Next Level Games is the developer people should know that this game will likely be quite good. I for one am looking forward to some co-op action, something that is a bit of a rarity for 3DS owners!
I don't write the game 100% of at the moment, since it could still be fun (and its made by Next level games, who made the awesome Luigi's mansion 2). But I fear they are wasting their time/money/talent here. It looks more like a Lego game (you know, with those action-figures, I forgot the name). They should have called it differently, but I guess someone at Nintendo said: Lets slap Metroid on it. Not only that, but they also slapped the holy "Prime" title on it.
The point is: If Nintendo ALSO showed a new, very cool, real Metroid on Wii u and/or 3DS, people would be less harsh about this title. But now that they only revealed this title, people feel like Nintendo laughs in their faces!
I think that anyone who considers the reactions to this over blown simply doesn't get it. The game itself might be an ok product, that's not the issue, the issue is Nintendo's policy and brand management. The devs from Next Level games that worked on the project don't deserve the hate, it's Nintendo's higher ups who make this sort of choices that do. If this wasn't a Metroid game it would be fine. Why is it even labeled Metroid? To cash in on the franchise? To test the franchise's commercial value? It's disrespectful towards the legacy of it's creators and towards the fans aswell. But cheap cash-ins seam to be where Nintendo is going after this e3. Just look at the way they're trying to shove more Amiibo to us with that Animal Crossing minigame title. And even Zelda. Dressing up Link in different outfits? Is it because that kind of thing sells in Japan so they thought "Hey why not, let's put that shit in Zelda too". So taking all this into account , the reaction is not overblown -it's a wake up call Nintendo desperately needs for their own good. Stop making cheap twists & gimmicks and abuseing your IP's and get back to making quality games or many of your loyal fans will be gone before you know it and who'll be left to support you then?
Just as a friendly reminder, those of you using the S word (you know who you are) should probably redact that before the admins do so for you. Just giving a friendly little warning to you guys. I know there's a lot of passion here but I've seen like 4 different people use some stronger words than what's allowed.
"And even Zelda. Dressing up Link in different outfits? Is it because that kind of thing sells in Japan"
The thing is, Nintendo always gives priority to the Japanese fans. If Japanese people love dressing up people in games, then yes Nintendo goes for it. Even if it makes western people roll their eyes.
Me, I find it strange. And I was never a dressing up fan. But I'll give it a chance. At least every suit comes with its own benefits, and it may be fun to collect (maybe).
If anything we should be grateful that the metroid franchise still exists, maybe this is its new beginning, maybe we should just wait to play it ay?
Plus at least we know nobodies buying the Amiibo's which means more Amiibo for meeeee
What bothers me is not Metroid Prime FF. Nintendo can do whatever they want. I'm glad we're getting something. What bothers me is Nintendo made it sound like they were going to release something for 3DS and Wii U. Now the excuse is they didn't have the resources to make a Metroid game for Wii U and making games in HD is hard. I'm sorry, but games in HD have been on the market for over a decade. Being late to the table is not a good reason. And why can't a company with billions in the bank find the resources to make a game for one of their top tier franchises? I call bull.
@MMaxwell83 Why dark and moody? I mean just look at Shadow the hedgehog or call of duty. Darkness and heavily detailed graphics don't equal a good game.
The larger issue with this problem is how Metroid as a whole is being treated by Nintendo. The Wii U has been on the market for 3 years, in development for even longer, and not once during that entire time has a single developer wanted to make a proper Metroid Prime game? The best they can give us until the NX is a crappy co-op based spinoff? For that matter, why was Next Level working on this and not Prime 4? I have a funny feeling that the higher ups at Nintendo are responsible for this nonsense, they cancelled the 3DS Metroid game Next Level was working on and now they're working on this abomination, I think Nintendo put them up to this.
Honestly though, I wouldn't care as much about the lack of a Wii U Metroid if it weren't for the fact that Metroid Prime would be utterly perfect for the Gamepad. It proves that Nintendo's full of crap when it comes to innovation and it's all just PR speak to try and rationalize underpowered hardware.
This game had a chance to be a good,small title on the eShop.Now everyone will just hate it,not for what it is,but for what it wasn't
What baffles me the most, is you have Hyrule Warriors, which was a spinoff game that includes almost every major character from all the zelda games. But they knew not to have "Legend of Zelda" in the title ... to not confuse fans and to keep it out of the core series. And yet here is Nintendo, slapping Metroid Prime on this game without a second glance.
@MrMario02 Pretty much my thought exactly.
I actually really like this game and want to play it with friends so yelling will ensue. It looks fun and the environment + Next Level Games is great.
IF I SEE ONE MORE HATE ARTICLE ABOUT THIS.
I feel bad for the developer, I'm sure they put a lot of hard work into this game, It's too bad that it got overshadowed by rage over the title, And that petition is seriously stupid.
Count me as another supporter of the game. And yes, the amount of gamer entitlement the past few years is just really disappointing. But that's Gen Y/today's world, I guess...
@hcfwesker Nintendo could easily just call this game Federation Force, they do not need to slap the Metroid Prime title on there. The game could still took place in the Metroid universe but with a different title just like how Donkey Kong exist in the Super Mario universe without slapping his brand on those games.
This seems to be suffering from the same issue Starfox Adventures did on the gamecube, where the game is not being judged on the quality of the game itself but the expectations of the title attached to it, Starfox adventures got slated as it was not the epic space flying everyone expected from starfox but a action.adventure on foot. Metroid Prime:FF is not the isolated journey as Samus people expect from Metroid but a multiplayer Co-op. The game is being unfairly judged as a result of its title and not on its own merits (though maybe the reaction was inevitable due to how long since a new Metroid Prime had been released and Nintendo should of made it a new franchise). I actually was not expecting the game to get this degree of backlash, I'm not really a FPS fan and prefer 2D metroid so MP:FF felt like it wasn't for me but it looked fine enough and I certainly didn't start demanding them to cancel it!
They would've been better just showing JUST Starfox ... then cutting the feed .... and ive never liked Starfox!!! Never has so much excitement been destroyed in such a short time!!! Yoshi Yarn was the only thing I liked ... and that was announced ages ago!!! We get a "Non-Metroid" game no-one wants..... a multiplayer Zelda no one wants(4-Swords was the weakest Zelda game), another seemingly identical Mario tennis game, mmmmooooorrree Paper Mario and way too much Mario Maker ..... which is soooo dull to watch!!! You've had a year to prepare and this is the fruits of your labour???!!! Completely unacceptable!!!!
I don't think fans should be accused of entitlement. Cemanding it should be cancelled is a bit far but we all know those petitions do hardly anything. It's more a way to vent fustration.
Whoever wrote the script for the Direct this year is to blame. A lot of the games with negative reception could have been better if presented right, for instance, say that the Animal Crossing party game was free with amiibo or establish why Federation Force is even a thing.
See also JonTron's Nuts and Bolts video
Regardless of the reception this game has received, I know I will be picking it up. I'm eager to try out a co-op alien blasting game, especially with online as well! I'm not too bitter that they didn't announce a new Metroid simply because I have only played one Metroid game. (Metroid Fusion.) So I still have plenty of chances to adventure with Samus. Sucks for hardcore fans though!
Does not seem like Metroid at all, which is a huge disappointment, but it looks like it may be fun regardless. I absolutely loved Onslaught on WiiWare, and this may be a good replacement!
@SMW You liked Onslaught??? it was good for a Wii shooter, but pales in comparison to most FPS's
all i can say is....OUCH!!!
People are pathetic. I'll be forever grateful that i even got to play super metroid full stop. Metroid prime was a bonus. The Beatles stopped after 7 years, if it was the videogame world Paul and Ringo would be bringing out yearly beatles records to this day- thank god they had some sense to quit!
There is a litmus test that can applied to any game, which I first discovered with Phantasy Star 3: How much does the game actually represent the franchise it's placed within if you do nothing more than change the names of characters and plot points? In the case of Phantasy Star 3, if all of the PS-related names were replaced with original names, no one would have been any the wiser- there is nothing in that game which absolutely shows a specific identity.
Let's try that with Federation Force- imagine all of the Metroid monikers and future plot points were all stripped away, in place of original identities and setting names, with no changes at all to the game itself. Can we still say, "yes, I distinctly recognize that as being a Metroid game"?
If the answer is no, then the designers need to seriously consider just making the product into a new IP. Sure, it doesn't have the recognizable name, and it might not sell as much as a result, but at least you will still have your own identity. If you don't even have that, what reason is there for the product's existence? Just to make money? If that's the case, then the situation is even more sad than the FF cancelation petition...
Even original licensed games have often at least served as proving grounds for designers in the early stages of their career... Can we at least say that much about this game?
I must disagree with the position of there only being two sides- in this case, those who are disappointed but accepting of the new product, and those who are mad in more ways than one. There are always more than two sides. What of those who see this as a missed opportunity for a possible new IP, or those who are neutral on the Metroid series, but see this product as a possible symptom of mismanagement from the top?
I would posit that the voice of dissent can be just as reasonable as the voice of support.
I am grateful that we have a another side story in another nintendo franchise have you people ever thought that this game metroid prime federation force could be like the same side stoy in kingdom hearts side story know as kingdom hearts 358/2 days with roxus in it
Everyone that's complaining about this are nothing more than self-entitled fanbrats. To those saying they rather have this be a original IP instead as part of Metroids, the fans still won't be happy because 'Nintendo is waisting time on a new IP instead of Metroids'. And many Nintendo fans don't see this self-entitled attitude is why overs don't take Nintendo fans seriously and see us as a joke.
Anyone else noticed yet that the people who support this game are insulting us (as the post above so bluntly does) but yet don't actually make any real arguments? I think that says enough by itself. As @Yorumi pointed out, this whole "entitled _" insult is getting old and doesn't raise or address any points. People who are for this game can't seem to make any real argument on the games behalf. Why should it exist? How is it a Metroid game? None of these points are ever raised. Instead it's just insults. Those of us who are either against it (I'm not against it personally, just the title) or dislike it raise valid points while most of the people who are in support out it can't quite seem to raise their heads out of their own backsides long enough to articulate their own point of view or side of things. (This is a generalization I know but it's one hard not to make.)
Nintendo fans are doing more harm than good by justifying every single thing they do. Releasing a game that isn't Metroid and calling it Metroid after they have bluntly ignored the existing fanbase for 7 years is a bad move, and by defending it people are actually enabling Nintendo. When people learn that not everything Nintendo does is okay, I think the company as a whole will start to straighten up and maybe the community that surrounds it will be taken more seriously.
Also @Plywoodstick raises a very good point it's something I've been saying as well. This game does not need to exist as a Metroid game. It obviously never was a Metroid game. Splatoon started off as a Mario game but was later switched to a new IP, so why in the name of the Onion Overlord was this game not a new IP? It has about as much to do with Metroid as Halo. Imagine Codename Steam as a friggin' Fire Emblem game. Nintendo are just leeching off the Metroid name and it's an insult to those of us who were waiting for a game that was never being made. It's soul crushing and insulting. Oh and before anyone says you can tell it's a Metroid game because of the hUD (I see this argument a lot), bear in mind there are other games with a similar HUD as well. Look up Star Wars: Republic Commando and you'll see what I mean. Take away the Metroid title and there is only a passing resemblance to Metroid Prime here. They couldn't even be bothered to use weapons or enemies from Prime (as far as I can tell) and instead just use enemies that sorta look like they're from Prime and weapons that sorta could be from Prime. Like the missile weapon I saw in the 12 minute video. Okay it's... A missile. It could be from Metroid. I guess? Who knows.
Change it to a new IP and I think everyone will be happy.
Looks great and I'm sure Next Level games will do the series justice. Disappointing to not get a wiiu instalment though. For the people who don't understand their misplaced sense of entitlement read or watch Stephen king's Misery.
It's seriously annoying to see how many people think they'rr being terribly enlightened with the "oh you're just an entitled brat" stuff. that in itself makes it obvious that you are unable to comprehend the bigger picture. if this was about entitlement, we would be pissed off simply because of the fact there was no real Metroid game presented. however the fact there is no real Metroid is not the problem. the fact that this game, which might be fine in itself, exists , severely misusing the name Metroid, is what the problem is. the message that can be read between the lines of nintendo s e3 presentation is what the problem is. and that would be, if you're unable to figure it out yourself "F you real fans and long time supporters, Nintendo is fully embracing the corporate way and putting marketing schemes & profit before the games themselves". but I guess some of you are sadly unable to see beyond Reggie's "the message of this digital event is >transformation<" PR talk. but no "entitled" is such a big and smart word and it obviously explains the situation into detail so let's stick to that. well goid for you. you know what they say, "ignorance is bliss"
I fail to see how this (which is not using Samus, might be used to build a better portable 3d Metroid engine, and may (god willing) do a little world building to help flesh out future stories) is so much more damaging than the Pinball game, which used Samus and the aesthetic purely to move a pinball game. Or Hunters, which stripped out the feel of exploration and became pure shooter. Or Other M, which officially declared Samus is emotionally dead and has daddy issues big enough to overrule logic.
IMHO the sheer magnitude of the bile has drowned out the argument's ability to sound legitimate. Even arguments just trying to be rational about the disappointment can't help being associated with its ugliness. Like you're trying to justify the motivations behind burning down your local church.
I do not buy the revelation that Nintendo hates its fans as a suitable catalyst. It was literally within an hour of a new StarFox reveal to no such discourse even with the (still argued by some) "unforgivable sin" of motion controls. That game appears extremely traditional, which we haven't seen in a while (save for a release of an older game) with enough of an evolution in mechanics to feel fresh. Even with the "re-imagining, but not a reboot" BS. Even when the first impressions suggested it's flawed, there was only hope Nintendo would clean it up by launch.
If there's a revelation, it's that Nintendo takes its sweet time trying to please its fans and this wasn't the Metroid crowd's year (at least not fully since again, it could be a teaser of the bones to a future game). Next year will probably be Zelda (maybe) to begin the end of Wii U, while they talk about whatever NX is. Mario will be back sooner or later, Pokemon is probably due. And F-Zero's number will never come up. Ever.
So I feel kinda bad that so few people can actually give a convincing argument that this game has anything at all to do with Metroid. I'm going to play devil's advocate here and after looking really hard, I managed to find two screenshots that may actually make this look like a Metroid game. If you squint. And use a lot of imagination. This was like trying to find a turd that looks like a cupcake but I think i've done it!
http://www.siliconera.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/3DS_MeroidPrimeFederationForce_scrn02_thumb.png
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/c/c7/Sheegoth_Chapel_of_Elders.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121229151338
Change the "ice beast" from Federation Farce into the Sheegoth, change the Lost World map to Phendrana Drifts, squint, and throw sand in your eyes, and it may look...Sorta like a Metroid game? It's like one of those 3D posters where if you stare long enough you see something.
There we go. I've done what Nintendo and the people defending this game couldn't do. I made it seem like a Metroid game. Hire me to be the CEO.
Now let's analyze this in depth so I can beat this dead horse a bit further.
First, the arm cannon. It sucks. It looks like a baby's version of Samus's arm cannon. if you've seen how the Federation fights in every game except Corruption, that comparison is probably pretty accurate. The HUD itself is an absolute joke. I already know they moved a lot down to the bottom screen which is a good thing, but the only thing Metroid about this screenshot is that it has a lifebar and the outline of a visor. Wow. How totally Metroid. Lasstly, the graphics are pretty bad. I know this is a 3DS game but if they can run a Wii game on the hardware, they can run a GC game. This game in terms of graphics alone looks nothing like Metroid, but it doesn't even play like Metroid if the videos are anything to go by. Unless of course I missed the Metroid game that played like a lamer version of Monster hunter.
Also I need to address the constant argument about Metroid Prime Pinball and Hunters. The difference here is that those games had flagship Metroid games in between. Here we have no Metroid game in sight. So obviously fans feel a bit shafted that after 7 years, we get Baby's First Metroid instead of a new 2D entry or a Prime 4.
When I come back later I'll use a nuclear bomb on the horse to kill it further. Just wait.
Note: Edited out the map reference. That wasn't a map, that was one of the players on the corner of the screen. >_>
Note 2: The 2nd picture is from Metroid Prime. Yeah I know I'm stating the obvious but sometimes it helps to clarify.
Gotta love people deciding a game is complete crap without having any actual info on it based on a 20 second game clip.
I hate people.
Actually after watching the Treehouse play it on day three. I'm buying this hoping my friends will also buy so we can play co-op. It actually looked awesome. It may have the wrong title but its going to be good. Everyone always wants First person shooters well just look at it that way. Cause what I saw was a cool looking co-op first person shooter with online play
@Onion Correction, you made it seem like a DS-quality Metroid Hunters clone. LOL, good effort though.
What is so wrong in doing a spinoff from a game? We saw this so many times and yet no one was saying "Oh my, how horrible". Yet this game comes out and suddenly everyone is yelling and cursing.
People, don't meet trouble halfways. I'm pretty sure this game will be as funny like Zelda Triforce Heroes... THERE, another spinoff, where no one said a bad word. Honestly guys, calm down. Just because Samus is not in or maybe Metroids, does not mean the game is crap! This acting is just illogical.
And please don't start with graphics... you know why. But before anyone asks, yes.. I will give it a try, just like all the other spinoff's we saw in the NDE.
I have to agree with @Yorumi here, @sp_initiate-001. It is one thing to defend something or someone, but insulting is will not give you any credits. I learned this in my past and let it go pretty fast. Be logical, offer argument and examples but never insult.
@IkariStrider have you even played the game? Have you watched the cutscenes. If you would, you wouldn't talk such a trash. Samus is still the same hunter, who just shows a bit of her emotional side and all of a sudden, fans going insane. "No, we want stone-cold warrior princess Samus Skullbreaker and not this whiny little princess. If you would had paid attention, you know why all this happened, but you didn't. You just heard it somewhere and made your own conclusion, I can't say it differently. Other M started after Super Metroid, after Samus killed the... mhmmmm.... the whole planet with eveyone on it with ZERO chance to escape and then Other M happened. I'm sick and tired that people simply can't let it rest, but I guess I will always meet such people like you and have to repeat myself over and over and over and over... broken record! sighs Anyway, I'm tired of this so much, so do me a favor. If you like to talk, inform yourself first, then rant. Thank you =)
@MrMario02 Oh boy... Not a man, but her mentor and father figure. Why is everyone talking about how Samus tries to woo Adam? This is so ridiculous. Did no one watched the damn cutscen... NO... no.... calm down. I must calm down. Not again!!
@bezerker99 According to Kotaku... I know, I know... Kensuke Tanabe brought up some new points like that there will be a single player mode and Samus as like the Metroids will appear as well, if you read the rest, you know where to go. If people still complain about this game even after this, nothing will. Again, I will try it and see what I think about it.
Sorry if I was a bit overacting here, but Metroid Other M is kinda a red rag for me in certain ways -_-;
And now for some ocean sounds and a nice cup of tea....
@PlywoodStick
Oh... Well I did try at least. I did a comparison between Hunters and Federation Force once already and it didn't hold up very well.
@SnuggleMon
Other M has that effect on almost everyone. Even people who like it, because they get angry thinking about the backlash it got. Personally, I didn't think it was that bad, but the Metal Gear Solid style drama and cutscenes came off as childish and I think people didn't care much for them. It's kinda funny how Solid Snake/Naked Snake can cry in their games and no one bats an eye, but Samus overreacts a few times in a game for the sake of dramatic effect and suddenly her character is assassinated.
Either way I think we can all agree that Other M didn't advance the series very much. It seemed mostly like the game only existed for 3 reasons.
1. To fix all the canon breaking and inconsistency from Metroid Fusion.
2. To try and give us a sequel to Super Metroid.
3. Sakamoto wanted to publish his Metroid fanfic.
Update: Well I watched the 3rd treehouse for this game but I couldn't go on anymore. After the 7 minute mark i just turned it off. "Melee Trooper", really? It actually resembles a Space Pirate but jeez, these lame placeholder names are not helping the situation. It's like if a Mario game called a goomba a "Stompy thing" and a Koopa "Kicking thing". Sure, call it Metroid, just don't use any of the Metroid terminology. Do they think we're idiots?
This is another piece in Nintendo's ongoing effort to embrace their "childstance". At the beginning of the Wii U Nintendo was trying to earn back the older crowds with a system that allowed a broader range of games but after that failed they took their 'kiddy' appeal and adopted it as a rule.
Federation Force is the next in the "Baby's First..." category. We had baby's first fps in splatoon and here's baby's first coop fps adventure. Everything about "Metroid" has been dumbed down or scrapped to accomodate this "Baby's First..." campaign and it's disgusting, annoying, stupid and ignorante.
I've been a Nintendo advocate through all of the Wii U's struggles but now more than ever I feel Nintendo is TELLING me, we're no longer for you. Whether or not they want to state it the message I receive from their current 'Transformation' is "we no longer care about anyone over 10, feel free to go elsewhere" and if something doesn't change then I will.
Yoshi's Whooly World anticipates to have a very difficult platforming experience come later levels. Nintendo has shown that it can create games suitable to BOTH demograhpics but now they're dumping that and becoming the LeapFrog of consoles.
For clarificaton as well I was upset about the Metroid affiliation with Federation Force and then I went to watch Treehouse footage and anything else I could find. To answer they nay'sayers no I'm still not interested. I'm actually uniquely uninspired by this game. I have no desire to get it due to its overwhelming simplicity, unattractive art style and the inability for me to get 4 people in a room to enjoy an experience obviously catered to coop.
I like Nintendo's experimentation - be it Baby's First FPS I still enjoy splatoon. So don't go saying "oh you hate it when NIntendo experiments" that is not the case. I just don't like THIS experiment.
@Onion
I disagree with you in some points of your post:
"Either way I think we can all agree that Other M didn't advance the series very much. It seemed mostly like the game only existed for 3 reasons."
Speak for yourself, not for me or anyone else. Sentences like this gives you no sympathy points.
"3. Sakamoto wanted to publish his Metroid fanfic."
Fanfic? Really? For me, Other M is a good game and not a "fanfic". Sakamoto developed the game with Nintendo and therefore, he has a right to change the story to a direction he things it should go. What I hate to hear, are fans who say "they ruined our game series". What do they owe? They owe nothing. They merely supported the games with their money, but that is all. People forget that this game is not their property. If they don't like the course of action in the Metroid games, then they should not buy it. That simply. It makes me mad because I know what it means to write a story and later hear from fans that "Person A should be with C together and not with B and should not act like this but this". The story is not theirs to command how to it will go, it is the right of the creators, who started and working on it. This is why the whole lamenting about Other M and Federation Force just makes me mad.
And speaking of Federation Force, there are new developments and infos about the game, so please, don't jump to conclusion and inform yourself before you call something bad, because this does not give the game any justice at all.
Update: Well I watched the 3rd treehouse for this game but I couldn't go on anymore. After the 7 minute mark i just turned it off. "Melee Trooper", really? It actually resembles a Space Pirate but jeez, these lame placeholder names are not helping the situation. It's like if a Mario game called a goomba a "Stompy thing" and a Koopa "Kicking thing". Sure, call it Metroid, just don't use any of the Metroid terminology. Do they think we're idiots?
@jakysnakydx
I actually did the same thing. I've been watching and researching as much about Federation Force as possible, hoping to find a trace of Metroid somewhere in there. The more I looked, the less I found.
@Snugglemon
"Speak for yourself, not for me or anyone else. Sentences like this gives you no sympathy points."
Sorry, you must be aware of a sequel to Metroid that occurred after Other M that I'm not. And.. why would I want sympathy points?
"Fanfic? Really? For me, Other M is a good game and not a "fanfic". Sakamoto developed the game with Nintendo and therefore, he has a right to change the story to a direction he things it should go. What I hate to hear, are fans who say "they ruined our game series". What do they owe? They owe nothing. They merely supported the games with their money, but that is all. People forget that this game is not their property. If they don't like the course of action in the Metroid games, then they should not buy it. That simply. It makes me mad because I know what it means to write a story and later hear from fans that "Person A should be with C together and not with B and should not act like this but this". The story is not theirs to command how to it will go, it is the right of the creators, who started and working on it. This is why the whole lamenting about Other M and Federation Force just makes me mad."
That's fair, but it doesn't change the fact that Other M didn't feel anything like a Metroid game. The story, the gameplay, nothing felt remotely Metroid. The story itself was childishly written, with shallow usage of symbolism that even a 14 year old could figure out. The writing got such a backlash because it made no sense, it didn't follow any sort of logic, and it completely disrespected Samus as a character. I respect your opinion on the plot though so I will just leave it at that for now. it's the right of the writers to write it as they see fit, true, but it's also the right of the fans rather or not they accept it. To me, your whole argument seems to be "Sakamoto wrote it so we have to like it!" and I simply can't agree with that. I'm welcome to disagree with and hate anything I damn well please. While I don't HATE Other M I strongly dislike the direction the game went in. By your argument, myself and the others who feel the same way are not allowed that? Oh please.
Other M pushed the fans too far in terms of story and they rejected it, as they were right to do. From your point of view fans are supposed to just choke down everything the writers and developers do and not complain? I don't think so. Also Other M feels more like Metroid than anything I've seen from Federation Force, so it has that much going for it. As far as gameplay goes, I agree, it's not that bad of a game but it's the story most people rejected and for good reason.
"And speaking of Federation Force, there are new developments and infos about the game, so please, don't jump to conclusion and inform yourself before you call something bad, because this does not give the game any justice at all."
I never called the game bad. I just said it has little to do with Metroid. My problem with the game stems mainly from the fact it does not use the brand it's supposed to represent very well. That and the fact I got too much of a Monster Hunter vibe from it, but that's not really bad. As far as the new info goes, yes I am aware of it but as far as I know, this is all just claims by NIntendo. Single player, Samus, and Metroids are supposed to be appear, but I've seen no trace of either of those things. As I detailed with my 5 (I know it's technically 6 but two of the points are actually the same and I'm just too lazy to go back and delete or rewirte one) things wrong with Federation Farce, one of the two points against this game was no Samus and no real usage of source material. If those two things are revealed, then yes I will remove those two points against the game. Until I see a video of these traits though, the points stay and the game has only passing resemblance to Metroid. The fact you're not arguing that means you agree with me or at the very least, aren't really in disagreement too much about it
As I've said numerous times, I think the game SHOULD be judged on it's own merits but this is impossible when it insists on calling itself Metroid and sucking on the franchise. As long as it bears the Metroid name it will continue to be compared to Metroid and will continue to be hated. It's perfectly reasonable for fans to hate something that no longer resembles what they recognize it as. Look at the Final Fantasy series as a good example. Having never played it myself, I can only say that fans rejected the more recent games because it didn't feel like Final Fantasy to them. Which is fair and I agree with them on that. If you're not going to use the brand, there's no reason for the game to exist within the brand. it's better off going the New IP route (which Nintendo needs anyway) rather than continue to damage itself by pretending to belong to a franchise it has little to do with. The single player campaign would have to really Metroid itself up to make up for the failings thus far. As far to my knowledge Samus has only been stated to appear in ONE mission, same with the Metroids. I swear you people will do anything to defend this game. So Samus appears IN ONE MISSION and suddenly that's okay? Sorry but no. Samus getting a cameo in her own series actually adds to the insult. Samus represents Metroid, to only have her in the game as a mere cameo really does not help (it's almost like Nintendo didn't learn from Konami's mistake with Metal Gear Solid 2). Now if they make her the main character of the single player mode, then I believe that would be a step in the right direction.
Even if we ignore the lack of source material though and no Samus, that still leaves 3 major points against the game. Lack of Metroid tech (I've only seen a Missile and read about a Super Missile thus far), a lack of anything Metroid (a few monsters seem to be from Prime but that's about it), and the fact they chose a really bad genre and graphic style to represent a series known for being a bit more adult than the others. I find it funny people defend the graphic style when they don't seem to be aware of the fact that Metroid was one of the few "adult" games in the Nintendo lineup. Now they're taking away even that? it leaves a lot of people feeling alienated.
I personally don't mind the graphics too much but they do undermine the core of the series and any time you do something like that, you're not doing anything good for the series or the fanbase. Like if Halo suddenly went chibi, do you think the fanbase would react well? probably not.
@Shiryu I couldn't have said it better.
Yes, I'm a tad disappointed--and I'm sure the fans are as well--that we're not getting a main series Metroid game made by Retro Studios, and that after all these years they chose to throw a spin-off title our way, but saying the game's going to be horrible, and worse yet, demanding it to be cancelled, is ridiculous.
Who knows? They're probably working on a main series game as we speak. Just because they didn't announce a whole bunch of exciting stuff at E3, doesn't mean they won't announce it soon or some other time.
In conclusion: people are jumping the gun and blowing things out of proportions.
Next Level Games won my heart with Punch-Out!!, but either way, they're great.
Looks horrible.
time to start playing Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. might help ease the trauma the reveal of Federation Force inflicted during these past days
Are you guys stupid if get that game metroid prime fedration force get's cancelled they will never make another game in the metroid Seires again stop the petition for the the cancelation for metroid prime fedration force if the game gets forcibly cancelled by the angry fans and it was the fans that ask for a new metroid game in a long time then nintendo will never make another metroid game ever again
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