I'm imagining the heart wrenching anticipation of the printing out of that page.
I'm sure they knew the game was approved before getting that document but in my headcanon the smiley face was when they realized it was all good and champagne was popped
@KayFiOS I work with disabled people for a living and definitely understand that this is a major negative, but I don't think it necessarily reflects poorly on TPC. When it comes to a place for the public to use and enjoy, everything possible should be done to make it as accessible to all. But a lot of experiences involving nature and heavy physical activity are inherently impossible to be made accessible to people with serious mobility needs. It's a major bummer, but I don't think it's anybody's fault.
@Crecca you may have seen enough to make a decision about whether you want to buy it, and that's fair, but the opinion of a game held by someone who has never played it will always be of extremely limited value to discussion of the game's quality/deserved rating.
@Ghosti if you genuinely think it's among the bottom percentage of all games you've ever played (of course i don't know what your ranking scale is but most people i think wouldn't rate a game they've bought 5/10 very often), that's fine, it seems like you've played enough to form your opinion about it
@DollyrotsFan1 yeah. Holding the most profitable franchise in the world to a higher standard is a good thing, but completely ignoring the positives about it isn't helpful
Anybody who gave this a 1 (or really anything lower than a 6) is just trying to make a point, and also probably hasn't even played it.
Yall, think about the true scale of what a terrible game can be, and understand this isnt that even though the graphics are a bit janky and there's no voice acting.
The NA one is one of the most memorable covers I've ever seen, since i first saw it wayyyy back in the day. There are games that i truly adore whose covers i remember far less distinctly than this one. And i never even knew what kind of game it was, even remotely, until a few months ago. I just knew it was rated M and had a pretty lady's face on it.
Ah yes, the good old American approach of looking at the original Japanese box art, thinking to oneself, "We can do better. What if we just made this so, so much uglier?" and then executing
Ironically the Japanese art looks like it was going for an American cartoon style, and imo succeeds. The European version is arguably even worse than the American one bc it literally just takes the Japanese art, cuts it down, and puts it on a box with incredibly clumsy placement of logos and stuff. At least the American one is original.
@The_Nintend_Pedant i can't believe how many likes their comment got. It's wild the extent to which gamers don't understand the nature of being a professional creative.
@calbeau replacing the voice actor, as long as the new one is compensated fairly, would be absolutely ok. Especially considering JEJ is deceased. There's nuance to how much credit is due to an actor who originates a character, but the point is people getting compensated fairly for their work.
@Edu23XWiiU ok, so i see the issue is you don't understand the issues with union members (or their representatives) acting in their own interests against the interests of other, largely less fortunate union members. You don't understand what a union is at all. You should probably educate yourself on this matter before continuing
@Edu23XWiiU if you understand how unions work, then you will understand how this actually makes the JEJ estate accepting this situation wrong ethically. First of all, it is very likely neither JEJ nor his estate fully understood the terms by which Llama, Epic, and Disney are using as permission to do this chaotic thing with his likeness, especially considering again there may be some shady liberties and deception being taken with the signed agreements. (The unethicalness in this regard would lie in the hands of Disney, Llama, Epic, et. al and not necessarily the JEJ estate.)
Secondly, if you are a member of a union, you must abide by the policies and principles of the union. That's the whole point, acting together and collectively to ensure the well being of the careers of everyone in the union. This is why scabs are detested. If JEJ's estate is willing to knowingly take money for something that the union stands against (and, standing against this kind of AI use is something we voted for and passed with a massive majority), then they are essentially acting as scabs on JEJ's behalf and undermining the solidarity, agency, and protections that the union provides its members, who are in an industry rife with exploitation of all sorts. Allowing this stuff to be done with JEJ's voice can set a precedent that opens the door for all sorts of stuff to be done with the likenesses of all actors, union or otherwise, hired for anything made by people with unsavory AI intentions.
I appreciate the concern but I don't need your pity, I need you to understand the nature of unions, and just generally why any time you hear actual artists standing against a specific use of AI, you should take them very seriously.
@axelhander what is your basis for saying the union is garbage? How much experience do you have dealing with them as a non member talent, member, casting director, agent, or production company?
@Edu23XWiiU As a SAG-AFTRA member myself, as well as a former casting director, and therefore someone who has dealt with them from multiple angles, i can tell you the union is not perfect but they are absolutely doing the right thing here.
The union (as all unions) exists to protect the interests of all its members. If it lets this kind of AI nonsense slide, it will set a precedent that leaves thousands of actors (the VAST majority of whom are NOT wealthy, including myself, and many of whom are straight up poor) vulnerable to the theft and free reign, largely uncompensated and non-negotiable use of our likenesses and performances, which are literally the way we make our living. And of course are integral to our identities as human beings.
If the companies trying to capitalize on this kind of AI use have their way, and I work on one of their projects, they may be able to make my face and voice do whatever they want, without me having any control or additional compensation. If that doesn't sound insanely sinister and terrifying to you, even if you are not an actor or model, I don't know what else to tell you. What could they make my face and voice do with impunity? What is AI Darth Vader already doing?
You could say, "well then don't work on those projects." But: (1) a major point here is that the production company changed the terms of the agreement after it was already signed. I actually have already appeared on a couple of Disney subsidiary projects, so theoretically the union losing this fight could put me in this very dangerous situation, despite me having done these projects on agreements that had no word about AI.
And (2), the vast majority of union actors book only a small handful of projects per year, so it's not like we have a realistic option to decline a project, especially a major one like with Disney.
If SAG AFTRA wins this fight, though, then that's a huge step towards protecting our rights as talent and honestly as human beings. It may help set a precedent that further protects people (not just pro talent) from the unauthorized use of their likenesses for all sorts of nasty stuff.
In addition, whenever a union member (or someone acting on their behalf) tries to take money in a way that violates SAG agreements or policies, this undermines the protections the union offers us, and is essentially scab behavior that harms the union, its members (again, most of whom are poor), and the talent industry at large.
Whenever a non gaming entity makes waves in the gaming space, the tendency among the gaming community is to speak on it with much more authority than their understanding of the situation should afford. Please try to be conscious of this.
Would it have been that much more expensive to at least load SOME assets and stuff onto the card so there doesn't have to be so much data stored on the sd? Idk how this stuff works but it just feels like there should have been SOME kind of compromise
On one hand, hoping the leaker doesn't get caught because they will absolutely receive a massive punishment way disproportionate to the harm they've caused society. Whoever it is doesn't deserve to be destitute or in jail and those are real possibilities. (EDIT i forgot the leak of employee personal info. Nvm screw this leaker, they do deserve heavy punishment.)
OTOH, leaking Nintendo secrets is one of the riskiest things you can do without the aid of a deadly weapon, so it's hard for me to be very empathetic the way it's tough for me to feel bad about illegal street racers wrecking their cars. Also, this stuff isn't just harming corporate profits--there are hundreds of real artists working on these projects, and for any of their work in progress not intended for public consumption to be leaked is a huge downer. Artists spend a lot of time on ideas that don't work to arrive at ideas that do, and if they're worried about the public finding out about the former, they may he a lot less likely to take big risks during their process. Especially interesting here as people constantly criticize Game Freak for playing it safe with their new games.
Whatever writer was responsible for that Typhlosion craziness probably had zero intention of that version of things ever seeing the light of day outside of internal meetings, or even their own computer. Perhaps they were just trying to experiment with the wildest ideas possible, just to see what they can come up with on the way to something more ready for the public.
The Switch was constantly criticized for being very underpowered, even taking into account its focus on portability. It seems Nintendo is taking those criticisms into account while beefing up the specs. The cost of the system is not really shocking with that in account.
$80 games is a bit of a bridge too far. Even if it's economically justifiable from the manufacturing end, on my end as a consumer, especially as the American economy tanks, I just won't be able to afford many games at all.
And, the game key cards are truly reprehensible and indefensible.
I understand it's fun to complain about some of the slop this service dishes out but these are major, very high quality games. A bit niche to be sure but I'm very impressed that they chose to bring these to the service.
@Vyacheslav333 idk how profitable hunters was but i feel like it's possible publishers plan on their f2p trash being disposable. Get in, get ppl to spend exorbitant amounts of cash on cosmetics that don't cost ***** to develop, then shut the servers down and get out. Idk maybe I'm wrong
You know what i just realized? Pictochat will never die as long as functional DSes exist. Because it's not an online service. We can keep the spirit alive
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Re: Random: "Splendid Game" - Shigeru Miyamoto Was A Fan Of Banjo-Tooie
I'm imagining the heart wrenching anticipation of the printing out of that page.
I'm sure they knew the game was approved before getting that document but in my headcanon the smiley face was when they realized it was all good and champagne was popped
Re: PokéPark Kanto Includes A Major Area Those With Limited Mobility Can't Access
@KayFiOS I work with disabled people for a living and definitely understand that this is a major negative, but I don't think it necessarily reflects poorly on TPC. When it comes to a place for the public to use and enjoy, everything possible should be done to make it as accessible to all. But a lot of experiences involving nature and heavy physical activity are inherently impossible to be made accessible to people with serious mobility needs. It's a major bummer, but I don't think it's anybody's fault.
Re: Poll: What Do You Make Of The Mario Galaxy Movie's Leaked Yoshi Design?
It's the irises. That's the problem.
Re: Poll: What Do You Make Of The Mario Galaxy Movie's Leaked Yoshi Design?
@Broch83 that option would be to simply not vote and certainly not comment
Re: Surprise! Animal Crossing: New Horizons - Nintendo Switch 2 Edition Arrives Next Year
Typical animal crossing free update w
Re: UK Charts: Pokémon Legends: Z-A Is The Smallest Retail Launch Since 'Let's Go!' In Europe
We're just talking physical sales, right? That metric is less and less meaningful these days
Re: Dragon Quest VII: Reimagined Producer Reckons We're Ready For Its Dark, Sorrowful Story
@Erigen that's just not something that would work with dragon quest's battle system, narrative, and balance
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Pokémon Legends: Z-A?
@Dyna-Z and absolutely has not played a single second of the game
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Pokémon Legends: Z-A?
@Crecca dude. You haven't played the game.
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Pokémon Legends: Z-A?
@Crecca you may have seen enough to make a decision about whether you want to buy it, and that's fair, but the opinion of a game held by someone who has never played it will always be of extremely limited value to discussion of the game's quality/deserved rating.
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Pokémon Legends: Z-A?
@Keegsy yeah, i also originally (and kinda still) didnt like the lumiose-only concept, but the game is so satisfying and addictive.
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Pokémon Legends: Z-A?
@Crecca so this is a good example of a comment by someone who hasn't even played the game
Other folks have and still dislike it, that's fine, but play the game before deciding to crucify the devs
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Pokémon Legends: Z-A?
@Ghosti if you genuinely think it's among the bottom percentage of all games you've ever played (of course i don't know what your ranking scale is but most people i think wouldn't rate a game they've bought 5/10 very often), that's fine, it seems like you've played enough to form your opinion about it
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Pokémon Legends: Z-A?
@DollyrotsFan1 yeah. Holding the most profitable franchise in the world to a higher standard is a good thing, but completely ignoring the positives about it isn't helpful
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Pokémon Legends: Z-A?
Anybody who gave this a 1 (or really anything lower than a 6) is just trying to make a point, and also probably hasn't even played it.
Yall, think about the true scale of what a terrible game can be, and understand this isnt that even though the graphics are a bit janky and there's no voice acting.
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl - Duel: Forsaken (N64)
The NA one is one of the most memorable covers I've ever seen, since i first saw it wayyyy back in the day. There are games that i truly adore whose covers i remember far less distinctly than this one. And i never even knew what kind of game it was, even remotely, until a few months ago. I just knew it was rated M and had a pretty lady's face on it.
So, there's that
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl - Super Adventure Island (SNES)
Ah yes, the good old American approach of looking at the original Japanese box art, thinking to oneself, "We can do better. What if we just made this so, so much uglier?" and then executing
Ironically the Japanese art looks like it was going for an American cartoon style, and imo succeeds. The European version is arguably even worse than the American one bc it literally just takes the Japanese art, cuts it down, and puts it on a box with incredibly clumsy placement of logos and stuff. At least the American one is original.
Re: Street Fighter 6's Next Wave Of amiibo Cards Surface Online, Here's A Look
Any amiibo functionality beyond just providing in game items is nice. These actually have a use
Re: Pokémon Champions Limited To "Select Pokémon" At Launch
That kind of defeats a large purpose of the game for me. I was hoping a game solely focused on battling would be able to feature every pokemon.
Re: Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics Updated To Version 2.0.1, Here Are The Full Patch Notes
@boxyguy it's kind of hilarious tbh. But yeah super annoying
Options to turn off the music while keeping the sound effects on would be great too
Re: Review: Nintendo Switch Online GameCube Controller - The Return Of The King
The octagonal gates help a lot with some games that require precision, like Monkey Ball
Re: The DK Rap Is Back In Donkey Kong Bananza, But Nobody Told Its Composer
@The_Nintend_Pedant i can't believe how many likes their comment got. It's wild the extent to which gamers don't understand the nature of being a professional creative.
Re: Game Freak's Upcoming Action RPG Looks Awesome, But Don't Expect It On Switch 2 Yet
Imagine a world in which this much effort was put into pokemon's visuals
Re: Early Impressions Of Pokémon Scarlet And Violet On Switch 2 Are Very Positive
It does make a bigger difference than i expected but performance updates sadly do not fix lazy art direction and animation.
Re: Review: SoulCalibur II (GameCube) - One Of The Best Fighters Ever, Playable Oh-So-Soon On Switch 2
"Edge Master"
Hehe
Re: Fortnite Devs Hit With Unfair Labour Practice Filing Following AI Darth Vader Fiasco
@calbeau replacing the voice actor, as long as the new one is compensated fairly, would be absolutely ok. Especially considering JEJ is deceased. There's nuance to how much credit is due to an actor who originates a character, but the point is people getting compensated fairly for their work.
Re: Fortnite Devs Hit With Unfair Labour Practice Filing Following AI Darth Vader Fiasco
@Edu23XWiiU ok, so i see the issue is you don't understand the issues with union members (or their representatives) acting in their own interests against the interests of other, largely less fortunate union members. You don't understand what a union is at all. You should probably educate yourself on this matter before continuing
Re: Fortnite Devs Hit With Unfair Labour Practice Filing Following AI Darth Vader Fiasco
@Edu23XWiiU lol what?
Re: Fortnite Devs Hit With Unfair Labour Practice Filing Following AI Darth Vader Fiasco
@thedicemaster it should simply not have been done.
Not everything is obliged to exist
Re: Fortnite Devs Hit With Unfair Labour Practice Filing Following AI Darth Vader Fiasco
@Edu23XWiiU if you understand how unions work, then you will understand how this actually makes the JEJ estate accepting this situation wrong ethically. First of all, it is very likely neither JEJ nor his estate fully understood the terms by which Llama, Epic, and Disney are using as permission to do this chaotic thing with his likeness, especially considering again there may be some shady liberties and deception being taken with the signed agreements. (The unethicalness in this regard would lie in the hands of Disney, Llama, Epic, et. al and not necessarily the JEJ estate.)
Secondly, if you are a member of a union, you must abide by the policies and principles of the union. That's the whole point, acting together and collectively to ensure the well being of the careers of everyone in the union. This is why scabs are detested. If JEJ's estate is willing to knowingly take money for something that the union stands against (and, standing against this kind of AI use is something we voted for and passed with a massive majority), then they are essentially acting as scabs on JEJ's behalf and undermining the solidarity, agency, and protections that the union provides its members, who are in an industry rife with exploitation of all sorts. Allowing this stuff to be done with JEJ's voice can set a precedent that opens the door for all sorts of stuff to be done with the likenesses of all actors, union or otherwise, hired for anything made by people with unsavory AI intentions.
I appreciate the concern but I don't need your pity, I need you to understand the nature of unions, and just generally why any time you hear actual artists standing against a specific use of AI, you should take them very seriously.
Re: Fortnite Devs Hit With Unfair Labour Practice Filing Following AI Darth Vader Fiasco
@axelhander wow you really checkmated me there
Re: Fortnite Devs Hit With Unfair Labour Practice Filing Following AI Darth Vader Fiasco
@axelhander what is your basis for saying the union is garbage? How much experience do you have dealing with them as a non member talent, member, casting director, agent, or production company?
Re: Fortnite Devs Hit With Unfair Labour Practice Filing Following AI Darth Vader Fiasco
@Edu23XWiiU As a SAG-AFTRA member myself, as well as a former casting director, and therefore someone who has dealt with them from multiple angles, i can tell you the union is not perfect but they are absolutely doing the right thing here.
The union (as all unions) exists to protect the interests of all its members. If it lets this kind of AI nonsense slide, it will set a precedent that leaves thousands of actors (the VAST majority of whom are NOT wealthy, including myself, and many of whom are straight up poor) vulnerable to the theft and free reign, largely uncompensated and non-negotiable use of our likenesses and performances, which are literally the way we make our living. And of course are integral to our identities as human beings.
If the companies trying to capitalize on this kind of AI use have their way, and I work on one of their projects, they may be able to make my face and voice do whatever they want, without me having any control or additional compensation. If that doesn't sound insanely sinister and terrifying to you, even if you are not an actor or model, I don't know what else to tell you. What could they make my face and voice do with impunity? What is AI Darth Vader already doing?
You could say, "well then don't work on those projects." But: (1) a major point here is that the production company changed the terms of the agreement after it was already signed. I actually have already appeared on a couple of Disney subsidiary projects, so theoretically the union losing this fight could put me in this very dangerous situation, despite me having done these projects on agreements that had no word about AI.
And (2), the vast majority of union actors book only a small handful of projects per year, so it's not like we have a realistic option to decline a project, especially a major one like with Disney.
If SAG AFTRA wins this fight, though, then that's a huge step towards protecting our rights as talent and honestly as human beings. It may help set a precedent that further protects people (not just pro talent) from the unauthorized use of their likenesses for all sorts of nasty stuff.
In addition, whenever a union member (or someone acting on their behalf) tries to take money in a way that violates SAG agreements or policies, this undermines the protections the union offers us, and is essentially scab behavior that harms the union, its members (again, most of whom are poor), and the talent industry at large.
Whenever a non gaming entity makes waves in the gaming space, the tendency among the gaming community is to speak on it with much more authority than their understanding of the situation should afford. Please try to be conscious of this.
Re: Fortnite Devs Hit With Unfair Labour Practice Filing Following AI Darth Vader Fiasco
Fortnite is one of the worst things that has happened to gaming culture
Re: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Has Been Updated To Version 3.0.4, Here Are The Full Patch Notes
Now it is perfect
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Dev Tells Studios "Do Not Underestimate The Physical Edition"
I've never been interested in this game but I've half a mind to just buy this to reward these folks for doing the right thing here
Re: Every Nintendo Switch 2 Game-Key Card Release
Would it have been that much more expensive to at least load SOME assets and stuff onto the card so there doesn't have to be so much data stored on the sd? Idk how this stuff works but it just feels like there should have been SOME kind of compromise
Re: Random: It's Official, Nobody Likes Monty Mole
I will be his friend.
Re: Nintendo's On A Mission To Unmask The Pokémon 'Teraleak' Hacker
@MK73DS Might just be a matter of Nintendo having much more powerful legal resources and taking the lead on this as a result
Re: Nintendo's On A Mission To Unmask The Pokémon 'Teraleak' Hacker
On one hand, hoping the leaker doesn't get caught because they will absolutely receive a massive punishment way disproportionate to the harm they've caused society. Whoever it is doesn't deserve to be destitute or in jail and those are real possibilities. (EDIT i forgot the leak of employee personal info. Nvm screw this leaker, they do deserve heavy punishment.)
OTOH, leaking Nintendo secrets is one of the riskiest things you can do without the aid of a deadly weapon, so it's hard for me to be very empathetic the way it's tough for me to feel bad about illegal street racers wrecking their cars. Also, this stuff isn't just harming corporate profits--there are hundreds of real artists working on these projects, and for any of their work in progress not intended for public consumption to be leaked is a huge downer. Artists spend a lot of time on ideas that don't work to arrive at ideas that do, and if they're worried about the public finding out about the former, they may he a lot less likely to take big risks during their process. Especially interesting here as people constantly criticize Game Freak for playing it safe with their new games.
Whatever writer was responsible for that Typhlosion craziness probably had zero intention of that version of things ever seeing the light of day outside of internal meetings, or even their own computer. Perhaps they were just trying to experiment with the wildest ideas possible, just to see what they can come up with on the way to something more ready for the public.
Re: Fans Fight Back Against Nintendo Switch 2 Scalpers
Now if only someone would do this with real estate developers in the US
Re: Opinion: A Few Too Many Questions & Unwelcome Surprises Are Taking The Shine Off The Switch 2 Reveal
The Switch was constantly criticized for being very underpowered, even taking into account its focus on portability. It seems Nintendo is taking those criticisms into account while beefing up the specs. The cost of the system is not really shocking with that in account.
$80 games is a bit of a bridge too far. Even if it's economically justifiable from the manufacturing end, on my end as a consumer, especially as the American economy tanks, I just won't be able to afford many games at all.
And, the game key cards are truly reprehensible and indefensible.
And analog triggers would have been nice.
Re: Opinion: Oh No, I'm Not A Fan Of Switch 2's Mouse Mode At All
@Baker1000 apparently it does though
Re: Nintendo Delays Switch 2 Pre-Orders In The US Amidst New Trump Tariffs
@nocdaes i mean by definition a lot of us don't.
Re: The Nintendo Switch 2 Pro Controller - All New Features Revealed
Lack of analog L/R is a bummer.
Re: Nintendo Expands Switch Online's SNES Library With Four More Titles
@MTMike87 my thoughts exactly
Re: Nintendo Expands Switch Online's SNES Library With Four More Titles
I understand it's fun to complain about some of the slop this service dishes out but these are major, very high quality games. A bit niche to be sure but I'm very impressed that they chose to bring these to the service.
Re: Star Wars: Hunters Servers To Close Later This Year
@IceClimbersMain ooh which one is that? That's hilarious
Re: Star Wars: Hunters Servers To Close Later This Year
@Vyacheslav333 idk how profitable hunters was but i feel like it's possible publishers plan on their f2p trash being disposable. Get in, get ppl to spend exorbitant amounts of cash on cosmetics that don't cost ***** to develop, then shut the servers down and get out. Idk maybe I'm wrong
Re: Miss PictoChat? This New iOS App Brings The Beloved DS Chatrooms To Mobile Messaging
You know what i just realized? Pictochat will never die as long as functional DSes exist. Because it's not an online service. We can keep the spirit alive