PharoneTheGnome

@LastFootnote wait for a sale. Heck Cyberpunk 2077 has been in the bargain bin a number of times. How it suddenly is worth $70 just because its now available on Nintendo Switch 2 is beyond me lol.

No.

In fact, the only games I will buy for my Switch 2 (when I get one) is first party Nintendo games. Due to the cost of games going up, I will purchase ALL non-first party Nintendo games on more capable systems... aka my PS5.

This is just so silly. It's not a physical purchase and it's not a digital purchase. It's some sort of hybrid that has the worst of both worlds; requiring a cartridge to install the game but not having the actual game on the cartridge to install.

I just can't imagine the initial discussion at Nintendo when this was brought up. I guarantee you there was at least a week long argument about the fact that this new kind of product doesn't have any real reason to exist.

It's a solution to a non-existent problem. Not one single person in the history of gaming has thought, "I sure with I had a physical game cartridge that doesn't have the game actually on the cartridge but will require me to put the cartridge in to install the game that it will actually download from the internet." No one. Ever.

It's absolutely laughable.

The Limited Run website says the following:

"*PC Collector’s Edition includes digital Steam Code

*Switch 2 Collector’s Edition comes with Game Key Card"

So, I am guessing that the Switch, Xbox, PS4, and PS5 versions come with the actual game inside.

I'm not sure why anyone would pay $250 for the Switch 2 or PC versions.

Animal Crossing for me. It would be Luigi's Mansion, but it wasn't on the list.

Imagine, if you will, a world where you go to sleep knowing the Switch 2 is coming out this year, and wake up in a world not remembering it until this same time next year.

In that second world you woke up in, when you go to buy your Switch 2 (a year after actual release), you find plenty of stock, more awesome games made just for it, and great deals.

You missed a year of Switch 2, but was it really a bad thing considering you bought in after all the good stuff is ready to be played?

Just a thought.

I personally love my Switch Pro controller. I think it is one of the best feeling controllers I have ever had for any game machine. The only controller I think competes with it (to me) is the Playstation 5 controller.

If I ever buy a Switch 2, I will buy the Switch 2 Pro controller just because of how much I love the original Switch Pro controller.

@Splash_Woman LOL!! I love all the MiB movies.

It's going to break records initially because the bots are buying up preorders to sell the systems for twice as much this Christmas to the parents that have to get one for their kids.

Scalpers have ruined the gaming industry and turned it in to a horrible existence.

What ever happened to the days of simply being able to go down to a GameStop and plucking down the money to preorder something and not having to be faster than a bot at midnight to have a chance to preorder something?

I can't stand all the greed that our world seems to thrive on these days.

Oh and by the way, yes. I do play Pokemon Aqua Sapphire on my 3DS today. It's the current game I am playing on my 3DS right now.

Just because a company declares a game system is old and not worth their time anymore does NOT make that game system nor the games that were made for it instantly become garbage. Some older games are better than some of the stuff being put out today.

Imagine that this existed back during the Gameboy, Gameboy Advance, Gameboy Color, DS, and 3DS eras.

Now imagine grabbing one of those games off your shelf to play today.

Let's say you wanted to play Pokemon Aqua Sapphire on your 3DS. You grab the box off your shelf, get the cartridge out of it, pop it in your 3DS to play it, and remember that you had to remove it from you 3DS back in the day because you needed more room to play a different game.

You got the physical cartridge. No problem. Start the game, and hmmm... that's odd. It doesn't work. Oh yeah... you needed the Nintendo 3DS service to be up and running to be able to download that game.... and... it's gone now. Uh oh.

The reality about downloaded games is that ALL gaming services go offline eventually. Every company takes down their servers at some point.

Playstation shut down the PS Vita. Nintendo shut down the 3DS and WiiU. They all do it.

Buying a game key card for Switch 2 is not buying a game. It is renting a game until the servers are shut down for good. You do NOT own the game your "bought".

This is why I do not and will not support these game key cards. Enjoy paying upwards of $70 to rent a game. I'll pass.

Pokemon Alpha Sapphire... can't play it on Nintendo Switch. Need I say more? lol

Nintendo 3DS XL for the win! God I love this system.

I wonder how many years it will be until we get the Nintendo Switch 2 OLED version.

It amazes me that in this day and age people still believe there are no consequences for their actions. You commit a crime, you pay the price. Don't commit crimes. It's that simple.

@JumpingJackson They asked what they missed. I said what they missed. Two other people in this thread have suggested it as well, and they have gotten numerous likes. Looks like people are agreeing that Hogwarts Legacy was a miss here.

I really like the idea of the magnets. I just hope that it holds up over time with a lot o usage. I'd hate to see a situation occur like we had with the controller drift of the original Switch.

Pushing the envelope of technology is great until it becomes something that was great on paper and doesn't end up lasting very long in implementation.

Case in point for pushing technologies edge and getting it right is... the 3DS. The 3DS is still an amazing machine that is highly capable of playing a wide assortment of fun games. People are finding that not only is it fantastic for what it was designed for, but it also is working amazingly as a retro emulation machine able to play every Nintendo handheld game ever made as well as other system up to PS1.

The 3DS was way ahead of its time, and the ONLY reason it is now discontinued tech is because Nintendo CHOSE to go in a different direction with Switch. There's nothing wrong with the 3DS. A refreshed 3DS with faster chips, higher resolution and brighter screen, and a modern battery that could last a lot longer would sell today easily in the millions. I'd buy one in a heart beat.

@jco83 I 100% agree that Hogwarts Legacy is a missed game here. It was incredible and should have gotten recognition for all the hard work the team put in to it's development. A lot of hardworking designers, artists, and programmers didn't get the recognition they deserved for making that game, and that's just not right.

@westman98 Thank you for explaining that.

I'm not sure why an upgraded Switch (aka Switch 2) would have any incompatibility issues with previous Switch games. Almost feels like a reason to sell a Switch 2 version later on down the road as a Remake/Remaster. Just seems odd.

It should have been SwitchDS.

• NEW Dual Screen Clamshell
• Improved hardware
• Improved performance

Then it would have easily been worth $450.

This is what Nintendo should do. Allow you to mark your interest in buying one via the Nintendo Shop. As supplies become available, let people complete the purchase in the Nintendo Shop, and ship to them.

Sony had a system setup on their website for the PS5 where you went to their website and put in a request as interest to buy one. It put you in a pool, and as availability came available, you would get an email stating that you had X number of hours to login and make your purchase.

That's how I got my PS5 back when it was IMPOSSIBLE to buy one at stores. It took all of about two to three months, and then one day I got my email. I logged in, made my purchase, and it was shipped to me within a week. Easy... as click click click. No bots. No lines. No BS.

I get the excitement for a new Marko Kart game, but I'm no more excited for this one than the last one. It'll be great... just like the last one was great. Anymore than that just sounds like hype to me.

Hogwarts Legacy at #1. That's awesome. Such an amazingly fantastic game.

I played it on my PS5 and absolutely LOVED it.! I might pick it up again in physical form my Switch just to put on my shelf of games.

Glad to see such a great game getting the recognition it deserves.

@TheMisterManGuy There is a major difference in the amount of work that goes in to make a new GTA game than there is in making a new Mario Kart game.

If you can't see that, then what you are really saying is that you pay based on a brand name rather than the actual content of the game.

I tend to believe a game's worth is based on the game's content rather than just the game's name or who made it.

Honestly, governments should outlaw this behavior because they are selling you a product that they can take away from you at any time by shutting down the servers that supply the game download/install.

It's not right by any means. That is not buying a product. That is merely licensing the right to play a product for an undetermined time period.

I have a PS5, and it was worth every penny I paid for it.

I will not be buying a Switch 2 for two reasons.

1. No matter how you candy coat it, the cost does not match the performance of the machine. I've read all of the justifications for it in these comments, and I still just don't buy it. For $450 it should at the bare minimum be at or higher than the current PS5 and Xbox machine's performance. I don't care that I can carry the Switch 2 around. If I want to carry my PS5 around, I can literally buy the portable that connects to it.

2. The game prices are ludicrously over priced. $80 should be reserved for triple A titles that have a ton of expensive-to-create content in it, and quite frankly, I probably would expect to get a Limited or Collector's edition for that much money.

Normalizing $80 for platformer Nintendo games that literally are just slight variations on each generation is 100% unacceptable. No Pokemon, Mario, Zelda, or Kart game should cost more than $50. The average franchise Nintendo game is not a huge cost development effort.

There is no way you can compare the development cost of a game like Super Mario Bros Wonder to that of:
1. Cyberpunk 2077 at $174 million
2. Red Dead Redemption 2 at $540 million
3. Grand Theft Auto 5 at $265 million
4. Final Fantasy XV at $275 million
5. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare at $250 million
6. Halo 4 at $100 million
7. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt at $81 million
8. Star Wars: The Old Republic at over $200 million
9. Assasin's Creed: Unity at $137 million
10. Marvel's Spider-Man at $397 million

I guarantee you that the average Nintendo franchise game does not cost near as much to make.

Does that mean I didn't love Super Mario Bros Wonder? No. I thought it was a fantastic game. It still was not worth $80.

LOL your starting line up for the Switch 2 includes a lot of already available games on other consoles.. most of which are getting kinda old at this point.

Super Nintendo, Wii, and NES are clear winners over the Switch 2.

It's really very simple honestly. Either people will buy the Switch 2 or they will not. No matter how much damage control anybody tries to do on this or spin it based on their views, consumers either buy it or don't.

If the consumers don't buy it, it will not be the first console to flop. Nintendo isn't even knew to having a failed console. If you remember correctly, the original Nintendo 3DS was by all counts a failed product. It sold so low that people that bought it early on were put in to an Ambassador program. I know because I was one. My 3DS had the Ambassador icon on the home screen.

Sega had a failed console release as well. They're failure was due to not marketing it at all.. just one day saying, "Surprise we got a new console!"

So, yeah it happens.

It will not be the end of the world if it fails. I hope it does not, but, for my money, I will not be paying $450 for a Nintendo console and $80+ dollars for Nintendo games to play on it.

I love Nintendo and I love all the games I bought for my 3DS and Switch. I just also know that the vast majority of those games are not triple A games worth more than $50. They're Nintendo games.

When I think of a $70 game, I think of something like Baulders Gate 3 that has enough development in it to warrant that kind of price. I would pay $70 for a God of War game, Witcher, Red Dead Redemption, or Baulders Gate kind of game.

Most Nintendo games just don't have the kind of depth of development to warrant more than $50, and some honestly shouldn't be more than $30.

Nintendo will keep charging outrageously and raising the bar as long as we, the consumers, keep paying it.

Nintendo 3DS XL is still the best handheld console ever made. Switch was good, but not better than the 3DS. Switch 2 doesn't interest me much at all.

Well no matter what happens, I'm going to keep an eye on what transpires and check back on the Switch 2 in a year from now.

Stay peaceful and happy everyone.

@mikejs78 Wouldn't that be dependent on the idea that no chip factories already exist in America? Even though most chip manufacturing has gone overseas over the past decade, they still do exist in America. America just isn't the big exporter of chips that it used to be before the big names moved their operations to countries with lower average wages and fewer regulations.

@hypercoyote true. I wonder though if the cost of setting up a factory would out weigh the cost of lost sales due to the terrifs. I honestly do not know.

@chardir Nintendo technically has a Nintendo of America corporation. Unless I am missing something here, Nintendo of America should be able to manufacture the cartridges to be sold in America in a factory in America and therefore have no terrifs applied to those games sold in America.

Somebody please let me know if I am understanding that incorrectly.

Well.... Honestly after seeing what they are going to charge for the new system AND the games (especially how much they are charging for DIGITAL versions which should be WAY cheaper due to NO MANUFACTURING COSTS), I've pretty much decided that I will be skipping the Switch 2 generation this year. I'll check back in 2026 to see if anything changes.

Until then, I have a massive back log of games on my STILL WORKING PERFECTLY Nintendo 3DS and my current generation Nintendo Switch. On top of that, I have more games to play on my XBox and Playstation consoles than I will have time to get to in my lifetime.

I just don't see a real reason why I should spend $80+ dollars on games for this new Switch generation.

Best of luck to those that go with the Switch 2. I hope you get your money's worth.

This looks fun. I will be picking it up and playing it for sure.

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This is quite the conundrum we have here with this quiet week in Nintendo news.

Looks like a lot of fun!

This is why I do not like digital games.

Maniac Mansion, Day of the Tentacle, and so many more... fast forward to the late 2010s and we have... Thimbleweed Park.

If you haven't played Thimbleweed Park and you are a fan of old Lucas Art point-n-click adventure games, then you're missing one of the greatest modern day versions of the genre.

I will be picking this one up too of course.

Always sad to see anyone lose their job.

I will play this for sure.

We want a fun game to play, so... FUN. We want fun. Yes. That will do it. Fun.

@SabreLevant right, but they could fix that by assigning a GUID to each chip during manufacturing. That way every single cartridge has a unique identifying ID that can be associated with an install. If someone tries to use that cartridge to install the game, it could deactivate anywhere else it is installed.

@SabreLevant There is NO REASON why they can't make it so you put the cartridge in to "install" the game, and then be able to take the cartridge out to store it on your shelf while still being able to play the game.

@SabreLevant No. But, thank you for asking.

@SabreLevant One physical and one digital. Yes. Yes I am.

It's a life sim... there is no end.

Surely I am not the only one that likes to own every major console each generation and playing them all. I see each console as having its strengths and weaknesses. Where one is weak, another is strong. You don't have to have one console that rules them all.

What the industry SHOULD do is include a one time use code in every physical copy of the game. That way, you can have the PHYSICAL copy of the game (to put on the shelf) as well as having the game downloaded to your console to run anytime, anywhere with out having to put the cartridge in.

I love collecting physical copies AND I love the convenience of purchasing digital copies. That means that I end up buying games I like twice. It's very expensive, and it means I end up buying half as many games each year since I am buying them twice for each title.