@Arcticpandapopz Same, they want my whole system and dock to "fix" the problem. At this point they should be sending out docks with charge to your credit card then refunding it when your dock arrives at the repair center..like every sane company on the planet.
@Moistnado Wrong, gold coins come from spending money. Platinum coins are practically Nintendo’s equivalent to achievements. I own and pay for all of the major services…complaining about $20 A YEAR is dumb.
In fact, I’m not even sure you need to have Nintendo Online to acquire this…
@Notsoavid If your score is based on anything but your own feelings towards the game, you’re not being objective. If you are scoring something lower to be “independent”, you’re not independently scoring it.
@Cry_Zero You’re 100% sure because you have no idea what you’re talking about. And now you’re running with it. The fact you’re even talking about “only playing on Nintendo consoles” tells me you’re not even talking on the same level. I own everything that has ever existed from the Magnavox Oddysey to the Switch 2. I have worked for Nintendo’s competitors as an engineer…. Where in this article does it claim that Nintendo has less technology in the controller, by the way? That is in regard to the price of the controller, which isn’t mentioned by anyone but you…
Even at the most basic level, neither standard controller from Microsoft nor Sony has programmable back buttons. Neither are using NFC radios and antennae. Even iFixit misses technology upgrades in the controller that actually make it more repairable in their goal to quickly declare everything is garbage. Almost as quickly as you determine you know more than someone else so you can make stupid comments.
@Cry_Zero No controller from any competitor includes as much technology, that’s where the price comes into play.
There will always be one over the other - making something repairable means more removable parts, which means less durability. No competitor of Nintendo is creating products that you can DIY repair…
@Cry_Zero Nintendo has been building handhelds for nearly 50 years, their durability has been untouchable. Even their home consoles could handle being dropped from two story buildings and still function. This concept of repairability over durability is simply backwards...but to claim they are the worst tells me you have very, very little experience with their competitors.
@JJtheTexan Never going to happen, nor should it. Do you know how little resources this uses? No more than you find on a PS or Xbox for in game voice chat.
@SillyG Nearly all streaming services do not support more than 1080p - add that this is happening alongside online play and I'm sure that there won't be any reason for a great resolution camera other than to have a better resolution on the zoom ins.
@joey302 Because games can now be shared with other accounts and devices in a way MS and Sony haven’t implemented yet. It makes things more complicated when moving between devices but opens up other advantages.
@SpacedDuck The Doom games are probably the most complicated to guess at. They dynamically adjust resolution and effects to keep a great framerate, there may need to be an update to allow the game to access higher resolutions and some of the effects.
@TenEighty You make zero sense. I’m focused on you claiming this device is overpriced without any bill of materials…and you’re already developing conspiracy theories around it. Someone’s missing a picture, that’s for sure.
FYI, making movies and theme parks means they have even more funding for anything else. But that’s not how any of this works anyway…
@TenEighty Not only did I build PC's, I went on to work for the biggest tech companies in the world with that as a launching point. You're completely confused about what made those Sempron processors cheap. They were more powerful chips that were "binned" or they were Athlon processors that were defective in some way that could be reused as a lower priced processor. You're also confusing power consumption here - they consumed less power because they weren't fully utilizing the space on the chip, generating less heat.
A mobile processor uses less power in a number of ways that make them more expensive - such as having big LITTLE cores, powerful ones for burst processes and less powerful ones to "keep the lights on" - which requires more cores. They are cast with a smaller die size using a smaller process...which is even more expensive.
You're also missing a number of other factors that make a Switch 2 more expensive than a traditional console. It needs a screen, it needs a battery, the controller design is actually more robust than Xbox or PS - even the original Switch controllers used more sensors. It also needs a dock.
Really, you're missing so much that you should probably spend less time arguing with people about it and more time understanding it.
@TenEighty Mobile processors are not “cheaper”… you claim something is overpriced without knowing what it costs to build. You can’t make that make sense.
@TenEighty The tech in the switch 2 is quite modern…an iPad already uses mobile chips. If the system isn’t generating more than 10% profit on hardware alone, it’s not overpriced. It likely breaks even.
@Jeronan I would expect a handheld to cost more than a console, it's more expensive to build from the outset. Then add the dock. At 10 euros more, not sure what there is to complain about. Nintendo's controllers have more components and features, they're going to be more expensive.
As far as game prices go, only games with added functionality beyond a 4k upgrade cost $20. Some are free with Nintendo Online, Sony charges far more for PS+ to get similar results. It definitely sucks seeing game prices go up, Nintendo won't be the only one.
@OldGamer999 Switch 2 is about on par with a PS4 in handheld mode (more powerful considering it doesn't need to push as many pixesl), and twice that docked. I doubt it will be running games "slower", maybe missing a shader here and there.
@hbkay It's the roguelite part of the game that makes it better than just some random hack and slash. Every run is different, you might die early on, you might completely break the game, and you will unlock something more for beating it to use next time. I know someone who plays a roguelike/roguelite until beating it once and claiming that was it, they're done. When you've beaten Hades, you're maybe 1% of the way through.
@jesse_dylan What your PS5 does with PS4 games is exactly what you will get from your Switch 2. It's no different than Xbox One/Series running 360 games and older. The fact that Nintendo's going to take the time to make sure all of this works is bad to you?
@jesse_dylan What in the world does how the game runs have to do with any of this? I'm referring to doing exactly what Sony is doing as a company with pricing, not what a PS5 is doing to run a game... Having something run natively does not make it inherently different than having a translation layer. Your PS4 game doesn't get enhanced on a PS5, it just runs better...unless you pay for an upgrade.
@Ulysses TOTK and BOTW have new features. They might be pointless to you and me but having voice actors come in and developing an app aren't just upgrades to framerate and resolution. We will see what happens with Pokemon, even those Zelda games don't list the enhancements.
Doesn't really matter if you consider them to be anything...Sony would charge you $10 for absolutely nothing more. The whining over something that's actually free with your Nintendo Online subscription is also pushing it.
@jesse_dylan It's doing exactly what the PS5 does with enhanced backward compatibility. You have to pay for it just the same. And games that need it but do not add new features have free downloads to recompile the shaders and run Switch games better than previous.
@datamonkey I really feel like there are many people who don't feel a need to comment on anything, Nintendo or otherwise, until it's time to be negative.
@JohnnyMind Exactly, I don't think people are getting what this is. It's not a tutorial or a manual, it's a tour through the schematics of the system. A "how it works" not a "how to use".
@SuperRetroArt It's more of a smart alarm clock than just some regular alarm clock. Considering this is something I use every single day, it's absolutely one of the least frivolous things I've purchased.
You're posting on a site devoted to reviewing and discussing digital games, and you think an alarm clock is the sign of capitalism reaching its peak? Have you considered what the average gamer spends on intangible software every year? If there will be a revolution, don't expect new video games.
I've been to the past few Nintendo launch preview events in my city. They're fun but I wouldn't go out of my way to travel to one. The Wii U and Switch ones made sense, this was new hardware with a new experience. This time around is a bit less ambitious as far as something "new" to be had.
@nathatruc Nintendo did inform shareholders that it will launch by the end of March. The system is already in production, that wouldn't have happened for at least another few months for an end of year launch.
@Keman Typically, new consoles are announced long before they go into production. Nintendo is having the same problems that Apple has keeping each iPhone secret once production starts. So yeah, it's the first time we've seen this happen other than the last Switch.
@IronMan30 It's true but Sabbath is more like Atari or Namco or something in this comparison. Metallica would probably be the best comparison for Nintendo, especially with everyone loving to hate them through the 90's and 2000's.
Comments 174
Re: Video: Metroid Prime 4: Beyond Stuns On Switch 2 In This Side-By-Side Comparison
@OldGamer999 You'd be hard pressed to find a "4k" game anywhere that is actually 4k.
Re: Poll: Have You Had Issues With The Ethernet Port On Switch 2's Dock?
@electrolite77 It's definitely the dock. New docks work.
Re: Poll: Have You Had Issues With The Ethernet Port On Switch 2's Dock?
@Arcticpandapopz Same, they want my whole system and dock to "fix" the problem. At this point they should be sending out docks with charge to your credit card then refunding it when your dock arrives at the repair center..like every sane company on the planet.
Re: My Nintendo Store Adds A New Metroid Reward For Switch Online Members (US)
@Moistnado Wrong, gold coins come from spending money. Platinum coins are practically Nintendo’s equivalent to achievements. I own and pay for all of the major services…complaining about $20 A YEAR is dumb.
In fact, I’m not even sure you need to have Nintendo Online to acquire this…
Re: My Nintendo Store Adds A New Metroid Reward For Switch Online Members (US)
@Moistnado Just using the words "pay" doesn't make any of this equal.
I can't see how you'd even argue when you pay less than $2 a month for Nintendo Online. MS charges more than 5X the price.
By the way, your initial statement is wrong - you cannot buy this, it is only available as a reward.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Are In For Pokémon Legends: Z-A
@Notsoavid If your score is based on anything but your own feelings towards the game, you’re not being objective. If you are scoring something lower to be “independent”, you’re not independently scoring it.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Are In For Pokémon Legends: Z-A
@Notsoavid Giving a game a score to show objectivity and independence shows neither.
Re: iFixit Performs A Full Teardown Of Nintendo's "P**s-Poor" Pro Controller
@Cry_Zero You’re 100% sure because you have no idea what you’re talking about. And now you’re running with it. The fact you’re even talking about “only playing on Nintendo consoles” tells me you’re not even talking on the same level. I own everything that has ever existed from the Magnavox Oddysey to the Switch 2. I have worked for Nintendo’s competitors as an engineer…. Where in this article does it claim that Nintendo has less technology in the controller, by the way? That is in regard to the price of the controller, which isn’t mentioned by anyone but you…
Even at the most basic level, neither standard controller from Microsoft nor Sony has programmable back buttons. Neither are using NFC radios and antennae. Even iFixit misses technology upgrades in the controller that actually make it more repairable in their goal to quickly declare everything is garbage. Almost as quickly as you determine you know more than someone else so you can make stupid comments.
Re: iFixit Performs A Full Teardown Of Nintendo's "P**s-Poor" Pro Controller
@Cry_Zero No controller from any competitor includes as much technology, that’s where the price comes into play.
There will always be one over the other - making something repairable means more removable parts, which means less durability. No competitor of Nintendo is creating products that you can DIY repair…
Re: iFixit Performs A Full Teardown Of Nintendo's "P**s-Poor" Pro Controller
@Cry_Zero Yes, hence durability over repairability.
Re: iFixit Performs A Full Teardown Of Nintendo's "P**s-Poor" Pro Controller
@Cry_Zero Unless you’re drop testing them, what relevance does that have?
Re: iFixit Performs A Full Teardown Of Nintendo's "P**s-Poor" Pro Controller
@Cry_Zero Nintendo has been building handhelds for nearly 50 years, their durability has been untouchable. Even their home consoles could handle being dropped from two story buildings and still function. This concept of repairability over durability is simply backwards...but to claim they are the worst tells me you have very, very little experience with their competitors.
Re: iFixit Performs A Full Teardown Of Nintendo's "P**s-Poor" Pro Controller
@RobertCorwen That law is not as strict as you might think...and doesn't go into place until April 2027.
Re: Review: Nintendo Switch 2 Camera - An Elegant But Nonessential GameChat Companion
@JJtheTexan As with Xbox and PS, as I said.
Re: Review: Nintendo Switch 2 Camera - An Elegant But Nonessential GameChat Companion
@JJtheTexan Never going to happen, nor should it. Do you know how little resources this uses? No more than you find on a PS or Xbox for in game voice chat.
Re: Review: Nintendo Switch 2 Camera - An Elegant But Nonessential GameChat Companion
@SillyG Nearly all streaming services do not support more than 1080p - add that this is happening alongside online play and I'm sure that there won't be any reason for a great resolution camera other than to have a better resolution on the zoom ins.
Re: Publishers Are "Thanking" Nintendo For Game-Key Cards On Switch 2
@TAndvig I doubt they are expecting anything more than you are. It’s merely an option.
Re: Nintendo Switch 2 System Transfer: How To Move All Games, Saves, Profiles From Switch 1
@joey302 Because games can now be shared with other accounts and devices in a way MS and Sony haven’t implemented yet. It makes things more complicated when moving between devices but opens up other advantages.
Re: Nintendo Updates Switch 2 Backwards Compatibility List
@SpacedDuck The Doom games are probably the most complicated to guess at. They dynamically adjust resolution and effects to keep a great framerate, there may need to be an update to allow the game to access higher resolutions and some of the effects.
Re: Yakuza 0 Comparison Video May Give Switch 2 The Edge Over PS4
@TenEighty You make zero sense. I’m focused on you claiming this device is overpriced without any bill of materials…and you’re already developing conspiracy theories around it. Someone’s missing a picture, that’s for sure.
FYI, making movies and theme parks means they have even more funding for anything else. But that’s not how any of this works anyway…
Re: Yakuza 0 Comparison Video May Give Switch 2 The Edge Over PS4
@TenEighty Not only did I build PC's, I went on to work for the biggest tech companies in the world with that as a launching point. You're completely confused about what made those Sempron processors cheap. They were more powerful chips that were "binned" or they were Athlon processors that were defective in some way that could be reused as a lower priced processor. You're also confusing power consumption here - they consumed less power because they weren't fully utilizing the space on the chip, generating less heat.
A mobile processor uses less power in a number of ways that make them more expensive - such as having big LITTLE cores, powerful ones for burst processes and less powerful ones to "keep the lights on" - which requires more cores. They are cast with a smaller die size using a smaller process...which is even more expensive.
You're also missing a number of other factors that make a Switch 2 more expensive than a traditional console. It needs a screen, it needs a battery, the controller design is actually more robust than Xbox or PS - even the original Switch controllers used more sensors. It also needs a dock.
Really, you're missing so much that you should probably spend less time arguing with people about it and more time understanding it.
Re: Yakuza 0 Comparison Video May Give Switch 2 The Edge Over PS4
@TenEighty Mobile processors are not “cheaper”… you claim something is overpriced without knowing what it costs to build. You can’t make that make sense.
Re: Yakuza 0 Comparison Video May Give Switch 2 The Edge Over PS4
@TenEighty The tech in the switch 2 is quite modern…an iPad already uses mobile chips. If the system isn’t generating more than 10% profit on hardware alone, it’s not overpriced. It likely breaks even.
Re: "It's Very Powerful" - Borderlands 4 Dev Hypes Up The "Perfect" Switch 2
@MamaSymphonia That depends, the Switch didn't just replace the Wii U, also the 3DS. Definitely had a generation leap over the latter.
Re: Feature: The Long & Rainbow Road To 'Mario Kart World', From SNES To Switch 2
@darkswabber For many of us, the GBA game didn't exist for 9 more years...
Re: Nintendo Defends Switch 2's Perceived Lack Of Innovation
@Jeronan I would expect a handheld to cost more than a console, it's more expensive to build from the outset. Then add the dock. At 10 euros more, not sure what there is to complain about. Nintendo's controllers have more components and features, they're going to be more expensive.
As far as game prices go, only games with added functionality beyond a 4k upgrade cost $20. Some are free with Nintendo Online, Sony charges far more for PS+ to get similar results. It definitely sucks seeing game prices go up, Nintendo won't be the only one.
Re: Nintendo Shares More Footage Of Zelda: Wind Waker On Switch 2
@OldGamer999 Switch 2 is about on par with a PS4 in handheld mode (more powerful considering it doesn't need to push as many pixesl), and twice that docked. I doubt it will be running games "slower", maybe missing a shader here and there.
Re: Nintendo Shares More Footage Of Zelda: Wind Waker On Switch 2
@N00BiSH WWHD better
Re: Nintendo May Record Video And Audio From GameChat Sessions On Switch 2
@MrGawain It runs smoothly because they are going to limit all of the game stream framerates. That's by design, and a good idea.
Re: MicroSD Express Cards Are Selling Out Thanks To Switch 2 Fever
@OwenGamer22 You know you don't have to copy the data right? You can just download games that you want all over again...
Re: Hades II Will Officially Launch On Switch 2 & Switch Ahead Of Other Consoles
@hbkay It's the roguelite part of the game that makes it better than just some random hack and slash. Every run is different, you might die early on, you might completely break the game, and you will unlock something more for beating it to use next time. I know someone who plays a roguelike/roguelite until beating it once and claiming that was it, they're done. When you've beaten Hades, you're maybe 1% of the way through.
Re: Upgrade Pack Price For Zelda: BOTW And TOTK Has Been Confirmed
@jesse_dylan What your PS5 does with PS4 games is exactly what you will get from your Switch 2. It's no different than Xbox One/Series running 360 games and older. The fact that Nintendo's going to take the time to make sure all of this works is bad to you?
Re: Nintendo Confirms US Price For 'Switch 2 Welcome Tour'
@jesse_dylan What in the world does how the game runs have to do with any of this? I'm referring to doing exactly what Sony is doing as a company with pricing, not what a PS5 is doing to run a game... Having something run natively does not make it inherently different than having a translation layer. Your PS4 game doesn't get enhanced on a PS5, it just runs better...unless you pay for an upgrade.
Re: Nintendo Confirms US Price For 'Switch 2 Welcome Tour'
@Ulysses TOTK and BOTW have new features. They might be pointless to you and me but having voice actors come in and developing an app aren't just upgrades to framerate and resolution. We will see what happens with Pokemon, even those Zelda games don't list the enhancements.
Doesn't really matter if you consider them to be anything...Sony would charge you $10 for absolutely nothing more. The whining over something that's actually free with your Nintendo Online subscription is also pushing it.
Re: Upgrade Pack Price For Zelda: BOTW And TOTK Has Been Confirmed
@jesse_dylan @Ralizah Sony charges $10 to upgrade ONLY the resolution and framerates.
Re: Nintendo Confirms US Price For 'Switch 2 Welcome Tour'
@Ulysses The only games that charge for upgrade packs add enhancements. The ones that only have better framerates and resolutions have free updates.
Re: Nintendo Confirms US Price For 'Switch 2 Welcome Tour'
@jesse_dylan It's doing exactly what the PS5 does with enhanced backward compatibility. You have to pay for it just the same. And games that need it but do not add new features have free downloads to recompile the shaders and run Switch games better than previous.
Re: Nintendo Confirms US Price For 'Switch 2 Welcome Tour'
@datamonkey I really feel like there are many people who don't feel a need to comment on anything, Nintendo or otherwise, until it's time to be negative.
Re: Nintendo Confirms US Price For 'Switch 2 Welcome Tour'
@JohnnyMind Exactly, I don't think people are getting what this is. It's not a tutorial or a manual, it's a tour through the schematics of the system. A "how it works" not a "how to use".
Re: Nvidia: Switch 2 Has "10x The Graphics Performance Of The Nintendo Switch"
@Serpenterror "for once", "finally", "again". Those words just don't work in this combination lol.
Re: Switch 2's Jump From OLED To LCD Wasn't A Decision Nintendo Took Lightly
@MrCarlos46 At some point during this console's lifespan, MicroLED will likely replace OLED as the better screen.
Re: Nintendo Alarmo Update Adds Multiple Highly-Requested Features
@SuperRetroArt It's more of a smart alarm clock than just some regular alarm clock. Considering this is something I use every single day, it's absolutely one of the least frivolous things I've purchased.
You're posting on a site devoted to reviewing and discussing digital games, and you think an alarm clock is the sign of capitalism reaching its peak? Have you considered what the average gamer spends on intangible software every year? If there will be a revolution, don't expect new video games.
Re: Nintendo Expands Switch Online's SNES Library With Four More Titles
@Tyranexx Romance of the three kingdoms was more of a PC game than an SNES one, it's just a port.
Re: Minecraft Movie Tries To Capture Some 'Peaches' Magic With New Jack Black Track
@Zeebor15 It didn't end, new album and tour coming soon.
Re: Registration For The 'Nintendo Switch 2 Experience' Begins Soon
I've been to the past few Nintendo launch preview events in my city. They're fun but I wouldn't go out of my way to travel to one. The Wii U and Switch ones made sense, this was new hardware with a new experience. This time around is a bit less ambitious as far as something "new" to be had.
Re: PS5 Will Sell More Than 'Switch 2' In The US This Year, Says Analyst
@Arkay It's easy to predict how much it will sell...you simply assume every unit made will sell, then you predict how many can be made.
Re: PS5 Will Sell More Than 'Switch 2' In The US This Year, Says Analyst
@nathatruc Nintendo did inform shareholders that it will launch by the end of March. The system is already in production, that wouldn't have happened for at least another few months for an end of year launch.
Re: 'Switch 2' Ergonomic Grip Case Surfaces On Amazon
@Keman Typically, new consoles are announced long before they go into production. Nintendo is having the same problems that Apple has keeping each iPhone secret once production starts. So yeah, it's the first time we've seen this happen other than the last Switch.
Re: Random: PlayStation's Astro Bot Director Pays Tribute To Mario And Nintendo In GOTY Speech
@IronMan30 It's true but Sabbath is more like Atari or Namco or something in this comparison. Metallica would probably be the best comparison for Nintendo, especially with everyone loving to hate them through the 90's and 2000's.
Re: Mario & Luigi: Brothership Is Seemingly Another 'Unreal Engine' Effort
@JohnnyMind That's an interesting theory