@BlackStar9000 which person in your life is capable of doing this to you on purpose (why are they still in your life?) and if they're not in your life then why would they nerf your console and give it back?
@RPGpro which console bans for knowingly violating TOS weren't permanent?
Surely the bigger issue is those same users getting some or most of their money back by knowingly selling or returning a banned console?
Framing it as Nintendo preventing second hand sales is incorrect. They aren't doing so anymore than Sony and Microsoft are for their own console level bans.
Regarding the physical media comment, you can reportedly even still use the MIG to play Switch 1 games on your banned Switch 2.
@BlackStar9000 my goodness. Thanks for proving me correct.
I'm also not shocked that you managed to say 'fully bricked but still useable offline' without realising that it's impossible for something to be both fully bricked and Useable offline. I blame gaming media for this
@nessisonett good that you agree about banning from online play and revoking of services because that's what Nintendo did. The console still works. Just not online. None have been bricked.
@BloodWolfe I'm 100% sure they're using the term bricked incorrectly - like how (frustratingly) most gamers use the term - The console no longer works online.
The reporting on the TOS is a classic case of gaming media choosing a narrative and running with it instead of being level-headed.
To me, it's frustrating that the term 'bricked' in gaming media has lost it's original meaning. Now, any account ban = bricked.
@TimothyjFeeley they're openly supporting those who knowingly sell or return for resale an item which they pretend is full working order. They don't give a ***** whether someone else loses money because they can always blame Nintendo
@WiltonRoots indeed. We have people openly and loudly defending unscrupulous people who have either sold their knowingly nerfed console for money or gotten a full refund.
I find it completely bonkers that some here are angry at Nintendo for unscrupulous people selling or returning their nerfed switch 2 consoles. I'm going to use nerf because the it's totally incorrect to say bricked.
@rjejr for what it's worth, I feel you've tried too hard with the analogies given that you've totally rejected the basic premise of Nintendo's hybrid console. At the end of the day, might as well agree to disagree
@RupeeClock the disinformation online is pretty bad when it comes to mario kart work with plenty of commentators online claiming that Nintendo saw in their stats that ppl were choosing Random to avoid intermission tracks.
These people possibly have never analysed any form of data in their lives because data can never tell you why something is happening. It can only tell you what is happening. Heck, I chose Random a few times myself, so that I could have a Random selection, not because I wanted to avoid intermission tracks.
They may also claim Nintendo can see in online comments that ppl are choosing random to avoid intermission tracks. Social media monitoring doesn't work that way. There'll be certain themes that get highlighted by the social media company to Nintendo but I can't any world where Nintendo got that feedback that quickly and decided within the space of a week or two and then completed and tested the update in a week before rolling it out.
People are getting unnecessarily angry over this update and the most likely scenario is that the online matchups weren't working as originally intended since choosing Random to make something more certain means that Random selection is broken.
@Kilroy now that I've played the game a bit more, characters are indeed unlocked the same way as mk8. It's only mk8 deluxe where characters were unlocked from the start and frankly, that's a special edition with previous dlc included from the get go.
It's only the new costumes in Mario kart world (that are a new addition) that have a new way to unlock through races and free roam when using the relevant character.
@Aawill91 revisiting my earlier comment now that I've played the game a bit more. To clarify, You do unlock characters the same way as mk8, by finishing Grand Prix races and getting a gold trophy. It's only the new costumes that are unlocked in a new way so it's not accurate to say that characters are unlocked differently
@hammers1man 22% heavier feels a heck of a lot heavier after extended playtime. I already feel the Switch 2's weight after an hour of playing in bed and my hands start getting uncomfortable
@Aawill91 Indeed you are correct. As some sort of atonement I shall stand in the corner with the figurative egg still on my face from my rather public error and I will forth a massive line of blue shells on my racer wherever and whenever I race.
@GgGames as much as it's incredibly popular to believe that Nintendo doesn't want you to have fun - there's actually no way Nintendo would know that ppl were picking Random to avoid intermission tracks. I played online and picked random because I genuinely wanted a random selection
@MTMike87 "I think someone on the team noticed that the Random option wasn't working as intended and they simply fixed it to its intended use-case."
Finally, one of the more plausible scenarios instead of the wild accusation that Nintendo somehow knew a large majority of players were using Random to avoid 'intermission' tracks. Data collection simply doesn't work that way.
To other commentators, Nintendo might know how many players choose Random but crucially, there's no sure way to know WHY outside of running surveys and focus groups and there's zero chance that happened in time. This is large corporation not a small business being run from a garage. It'll take a week or two to even finalise a survey and definitely longer for a focus group. Media monitoring is certainly a thing but also, the PR or media analysis company involved will have sentiment analysis and topic monitoring but the players are probably kidding themselves in thinking that using Random to purposely avoid straight tracks was a huge topic for Nintendo
@larryisaman Only if you're a small company. Even then, any reasonable company will check further to see if the feedback were genuine concerns that would measurably improve gameplay or whether they were just online rants and storms in teacups. Acting without further data just because a section of your userbase has a complaint is a recipe for bad decisions.
@larryisaman "...they have the data and will know just how many people on average are choosing random to get around the intermissions and instead chose to actively push back to force how they think it should be played..." I'm afraid product analytics does not work this way. They might know how many are choosing random (if that data point gets recorded - and it seems perfectly reasonable to record it) but they won't know WHY without asking directly. That kind of data collection and analysis takes time, especially on this scale.
They might have a partnership with other PR companies in different countries to track social media sentiment, social engagement, and things like key talking points - I doubt intermission races would be a direct talking point. It's more likely to be about the commentary around the number of straight tracks.
@chess227 There's zero chance of an OLED Switch 2 within 15 months I'm afraid. The technology and mass market adoption is just nowhere near outside of very niche, and very expensive experiences. There aren't any OLED 120hz VRR panels at that size anywhere
@Fiergala "...the only thing that matters are people's subjective experiences"... yeah, actually. To a fairly large extent too. Largely because those experts are measuring and reporting on only a relatively small aspect of a product.
Anyway, the experts also don't share the same experiences. for example, PC Gamer happily reported that one expert showed that the Switch 2's screen had terrible response times that were worse than the OG Switch. While another 'expert' showed that the Switch 2's screen had a better response time than the OG Switch (assuming that one of the measurements of the response time being 21ms is correct) but left out the Switch 1 in his comparison chart. PC Gamer said there was no clear explanation why the results varied but insisted that the screen was still terrible compared against PC Gaming monitors.
@WiltonRoots I'm reasonably sure Axel is part of the group of people who believe that Nintendo is always greedy and will look to maximise profits at the expense of consumers by using cheap, low quality parts while maintaining high prices.
@axelhander Weird that people are attacking Nintendo's budgeting considering Nintendo's live streams were famously spammed with irate people saying Drop the price!
@hammers1man I grew up in the arcade era where hardware slowdowns were effectively a feature to me (was the only way I stayed alive in several shmups!) and some other games were also really slow since I never had a cutting edge PC growing up so 30fps is fine for me
@hammers1man way too many people are happier to believe the Nintendo are choosing to screw people over by not using an OLED screen. Of course, these are likely the same people that believe Nintendo both drives artificial scarcity during console launches and isn't popular enough so that's why there's enough launch units this time around.... shrugs It's just business at the end of the day.
@hammers1man Come to think of it, I had forgotten about it but Asus's interview also probably reveals why Nintendo's screen choice compromise makes sense. They prioritised vrr and didn't want the switch 2 to retail at over $500
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Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@WiltonRoots 😅
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@BlackStar9000 which person in your life is capable of doing this to you on purpose (why are they still in your life?) and if they're not in your life then why would they nerf your console and give it back?
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@TheBigK it's existed pretty much ever since we had internet enabled consoles with online accounts
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@KITG_GROUP pretty much all false. They 100% didn't brick any console. The console still functions offline
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@RPGpro which console bans for knowingly violating TOS weren't permanent?
Surely the bigger issue is those same users getting some or most of their money back by knowingly selling or returning a banned console?
Framing it as Nintendo preventing second hand sales is incorrect. They aren't doing so anymore than Sony and Microsoft are for their own console level bans.
Regarding the physical media comment, you can reportedly even still use the MIG to play Switch 1 games on your banned Switch 2.
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@nessisonett https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/xbox/forum/all/xbox-360-banned/99e9892a-caab-480f-beb6-57c319811658 console bans have been happening pretty much ever since we had fully internet capable consoles.
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@Uberfish that's totally false. Offline play isn't affected.
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@BlackStar9000 my goodness. Thanks for proving me correct.
I'm also not shocked that you managed to say 'fully bricked but still useable offline' without realising that it's impossible for something to be both fully bricked and Useable offline. I blame gaming media for this
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@Elitepatriot why? Why not the people brazenly selling or returning knowingly nerfed consoles for refunds?
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@nessisonett good that you agree about banning from online play and revoking of services because that's what Nintendo did. The console still works. Just not online. None have been bricked.
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@BloodWolfe I'm 100% sure they're using the term bricked incorrectly - like how (frustratingly) most gamers use the term - The console no longer works online.
The reporting on the TOS is a classic case of gaming media choosing a narrative and running with it instead of being level-headed.
To me, it's frustrating that the term 'bricked' in gaming media has lost it's original meaning. Now, any account ban = bricked.
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@BloodWolfe then everything is fine here cos no Switch 2 unit has ever been bricked. They're still useable offline
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@Amatossy given how easy it is to spoof IP addresses that idea is a little too flawed.
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@TimothyjFeeley they're openly supporting those who knowingly sell or return for resale an item which they pretend is full working order. They don't give a ***** whether someone else loses money because they can always blame Nintendo
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@enigmaxtreme when has Nintendo ever nuked a system in its entirety? They've never totally bricked a console as far as I know.
Even now, these affected Switch 2 systems can still play offline games on physical cards
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@Sgtkeebler that's never been the case for any console manufacturer
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@WiltonRoots indeed. We have people openly and loudly defending unscrupulous people who have either sold their knowingly nerfed console for money or gotten a full refund.
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@kabal82 they're not banned from offline play though. Where did you read that?
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@larryisaman I wouldn't worry about server shut downs since you can STILL redownload Wii games.
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
@huroma none of Nintendo's consoles were bricked. You could still use physical games
Re: Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water
I find it completely bonkers that some here are angry at Nintendo for unscrupulous people selling or returning their nerfed switch 2 consoles. I'm going to use nerf because the it's totally incorrect to say bricked.
Re: Nintendo's President Apologises For Not Being Able To Meet Switch 2 Demand
@rjejr for what it's worth, I feel you've tried too hard with the analogies given that you've totally rejected the basic premise of Nintendo's hybrid console. At the end of the day, might as well agree to disagree
Re: Nintendo's President Apologises For Not Being Able To Meet Switch 2 Demand
@WiltonRoots ah you're right. I've just reported it for trolling now 🤷🏻♂️
Re: Of Course Mario Kart World Is Being Review Bombed
@Jedrus_Lilac responding seriously to every review bomb is the absolute fastest way to make a gigantic mess of your product
Re: Of Course Mario Kart World Is Being Review Bombed
@RupeeClock the disinformation online is pretty bad when it comes to mario kart work with plenty of commentators online claiming that Nintendo saw in their stats that ppl were choosing Random to avoid intermission tracks.
These people possibly have never analysed any form of data in their lives because data can never tell you why something is happening. It can only tell you what is happening. Heck, I chose Random a few times myself, so that I could have a Random selection, not because I wanted to avoid intermission tracks.
They may also claim Nintendo can see in online comments that ppl are choosing random to avoid intermission tracks. Social media monitoring doesn't work that way. There'll be certain themes that get highlighted by the social media company to Nintendo but I can't any world where Nintendo got that feedback that quickly and decided within the space of a week or two and then completed and tested the update in a week before rolling it out.
People are getting unnecessarily angry over this update and the most likely scenario is that the online matchups weren't working as originally intended since choosing Random to make something more certain means that Random selection is broken.
Re: Fans Reckon Nintendo Has "Killed" Mario Kart World With Its Latest Update
@Kilroy now that I've played the game a bit more, characters are indeed unlocked the same way as mk8. It's only mk8 deluxe where characters were unlocked from the start and frankly, that's a special edition with previous dlc included from the get go.
It's only the new costumes in Mario kart world (that are a new addition) that have a new way to unlock through races and free roam when using the relevant character.
Re: Fans Reckon Nintendo Has "Killed" Mario Kart World With Its Latest Update
@Aawill91 revisiting my earlier comment now that I've played the game a bit more. To clarify, You do unlock characters the same way as mk8, by finishing Grand Prix races and getting a gold trophy. It's only the new costumes that are unlocked in a new way so it's not accurate to say that characters are unlocked differently
Re: Nintendo's President Apologises For Not Being Able To Meet Switch 2 Demand
@Kristos99 that theory of shutting down servers is pretty ridiculous when you can still reportedly download Wii_era games you already bought
Re: Nintendo's President Apologises For Not Being Able To Meet Switch 2 Demand
@Deadly Sell out = bad. Not selling out = Also bad. shrug
Re: Nintendo's President Apologises For Not Being Able To Meet Switch 2 Demand
@rjejr feels like you're being deliberately argumentative
Re: Feature: 22 Games With 'Secret' Performance Bumps You Should Revisit On Switch 2
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 has much faster load times now
Re: "One Of The Slowest Modern LCDs I've Ever Seen" - Digital Foundry's John Linneman On Switch 2's Display
@hammers1man 22% heavier feels a heck of a lot heavier after extended playtime. I already feel the Switch 2's weight after an hour of playing in bed and my hands start getting uncomfortable
Re: Nintendo's President Apologises For Not Being Able To Meet Switch 2 Demand
I'm shocked some people seem genuinely believe Nintendo should've gotten their sales predictions absolutely spot on to match actual demand.
Re: Fans Reckon Nintendo Has "Killed" Mario Kart World With Its Latest Update
@Aawill91 Indeed you are correct. As some sort of atonement I shall stand in the corner with the figurative egg still on my face from my rather public error and I will forth a massive line of blue shells on my racer wherever and whenever I race.
Re: Fans Reckon Nintendo Has "Killed" Mario Kart World With Its Latest Update
@GgGames as much as it's incredibly popular to believe that Nintendo doesn't want you to have fun - there's actually no way Nintendo would know that ppl were picking Random to avoid intermission tracks. I played online and picked random because I genuinely wanted a random selection
Re: Fans Reckon Nintendo Has "Killed" Mario Kart World With Its Latest Update
@Kilroy I see! I stand corrected!
Re: Fans Reckon Nintendo Has "Killed" Mario Kart World With Its Latest Update
@Aawill91 Hate to break it to you but you unlocked karts and characters in the exact same way in MK8
Re: Fans Reckon Nintendo Has "Killed" Mario Kart World With Its Latest Update
@MTMike87 "I think someone on the team noticed that the Random option wasn't working as intended and they simply fixed it to its intended use-case."
Finally, one of the more plausible scenarios instead of the wild accusation that Nintendo somehow knew a large majority of players were using Random to avoid 'intermission' tracks. Data collection simply doesn't work that way.
To other commentators, Nintendo might know how many players choose Random but crucially, there's no sure way to know WHY outside of running surveys and focus groups and there's zero chance that happened in time. This is large corporation not a small business being run from a garage. It'll take a week or two to even finalise a survey and definitely longer for a focus group. Media monitoring is certainly a thing but also, the PR or media analysis company involved will have sentiment analysis and topic monitoring but the players are probably kidding themselves in thinking that using Random to purposely avoid straight tracks was a huge topic for Nintendo
Re: Japanese Charts: Mario Kart World Speeds Past 1 Million Physical Sales
@larryisaman Only if you're a small company. Even then, any reasonable company will check further to see if the feedback were genuine concerns that would measurably improve gameplay or whether they were just online rants and storms in teacups. Acting without further data just because a section of your userbase has a complaint is a recipe for bad decisions.
Re: "One Of The Slowest Modern LCDs I've Ever Seen" - Digital Foundry's John Linneman On Switch 2's Display
@chess227 it's incredibly refreshing to see you and at least a couple more being level headed about this
Re: Japanese Charts: Mario Kart World Speeds Past 1 Million Physical Sales
@larryisaman "...they have the data and will know just how many people on average are choosing random to get around the intermissions and instead chose to actively push back to force how they think it should be played..." I'm afraid product analytics does not work this way. They might know how many are choosing random (if that data point gets recorded - and it seems perfectly reasonable to record it) but they won't know WHY without asking directly. That kind of data collection and analysis takes time, especially on this scale.
They might have a partnership with other PR companies in different countries to track social media sentiment, social engagement, and things like key talking points - I doubt intermission races would be a direct talking point. It's more likely to be about the commentary around the number of straight tracks.
Re: "One Of The Slowest Modern LCDs I've Ever Seen" - Digital Foundry's John Linneman On Switch 2's Display
@chess227 There's zero chance of an OLED Switch 2 within 15 months I'm afraid. The technology and mass market adoption is just nowhere near outside of very niche, and very expensive experiences. There aren't any OLED 120hz VRR panels at that size anywhere
Re: "One Of The Slowest Modern LCDs I've Ever Seen" - Digital Foundry's John Linneman On Switch 2's Display
@Fiergala "...the only thing that matters are people's subjective experiences"... yeah, actually. To a fairly large extent too. Largely because those experts are measuring and reporting on only a relatively small aspect of a product.
Anyway, the experts also don't share the same experiences. for example, PC Gamer happily reported that one expert showed that the Switch 2's screen had terrible response times that were worse than the OG Switch. While another 'expert' showed that the Switch 2's screen had a better response time than the OG Switch (assuming that one of the measurements of the response time being 21ms is correct) but left out the Switch 1 in his comparison chart. PC Gamer said there was no clear explanation why the results varied but insisted that the screen was still terrible compared against PC Gaming monitors.
Re: "One Of The Slowest Modern LCDs I've Ever Seen" - Digital Foundry's John Linneman On Switch 2's Display
@WiltonRoots I'm reasonably sure Axel is part of the group of people who believe that Nintendo is always greedy and will look to maximise profits at the expense of consumers by using cheap, low quality parts while maintaining high prices.
Re: "One Of The Slowest Modern LCDs I've Ever Seen" - Digital Foundry's John Linneman On Switch 2's Display
@WiltonRoots
Re: "One Of The Slowest Modern LCDs I've Ever Seen" - Digital Foundry's John Linneman On Switch 2's Display
@axelhander Weird that people are attacking Nintendo's budgeting considering Nintendo's live streams were famously spammed with irate people saying Drop the price!
Re: "One Of The Slowest Modern LCDs I've Ever Seen" - Digital Foundry's John Linneman On Switch 2's Display
@hammers1man I grew up in the arcade era where hardware slowdowns were effectively a feature to me (was the only way I stayed alive in several shmups!) and some other games were also really slow since I never had a cutting edge PC growing up so 30fps is fine for me
Re: "One Of The Slowest Modern LCDs I've Ever Seen" - Digital Foundry's John Linneman On Switch 2's Display
@WiltonRoots It's puzzling how people lose their minds over the smallest things.
Re: "One Of The Slowest Modern LCDs I've Ever Seen" - Digital Foundry's John Linneman On Switch 2's Display
@hammers1man way too many people are happier to believe the Nintendo are choosing to screw people over by not using an OLED screen. Of course, these are likely the same people that believe Nintendo both drives artificial scarcity during console launches and isn't popular enough so that's why there's enough launch units this time around.... shrugs It's just business at the end of the day.
Re: "One Of The Slowest Modern LCDs I've Ever Seen" - Digital Foundry's John Linneman On Switch 2's Display
@hammers1man Come to think of it, I had forgotten about it but Asus's interview also probably reveals why Nintendo's screen choice compromise makes sense. They prioritised vrr and didn't want the switch 2 to retail at over $500