I don't get the 'lazy developer' criticism. I feel that type of criticism is also an incredibly lazy one. You can't possibly know the prioritisation decisions that go into making a port. I certainly don't and won't even pretend to try.
@romando so again we're back to expecting a portable PS5-like console at less than $500. I'll eat humble pie if Sony releases a portable PS5 at under $500.
Even Microsoft's foray into a portable Xbox world costs more....
@Toastmaster "...and Switch 2 cost nearly the same as the powerful Rog Ally and Legion Go PC Handhelds. 680$." Didn't the Legion Go launch in Canada for around CAD$950? And didn't the Switch 2 launch for 629? I don't recall a price increase in Canada. Maybe you're thinking of the Mario Kart World bundle?
@ElRoberico on this, we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't feel the race to the bottom pricing is helping the game industry at all and is actually detrimental in the long term. I don't believe that games should be like cars and become effectively worthless after x time.
@ElRoberico they very strongly believe their games have value. Deep discounts destroy that value and conditions players to wait like how many now wait for Ubisoft discounts I guess 🤷🏻♂️
@Striker21 bold claim considering Sony has cancelled most of it's live service games plans. You didn't provide any source for the quotes - guessing it was from AI mode. I dug around to find out they came from a consulting firm's report.
Also, your base premise for all your suggestions is that "Nintendo's sales model heavily relies on nostalgia" - demonstrating you don't know their sales model or their business. The basis for your suggestions then is flawed and doesn't, in any way, support their current strategy or their strengths.
They also already have a subscription model that grants access to several classic games. Can that library be better? Sure. Should they go further and add more and charge more like your suggestion for 25 a month for day 1 releases? Nothing suggests that it would be a good idea and it sounds like a shareholder idea to try to chase the shrinking subscription money tree.
Your gamepass-like idea is also faster way to devalue their games than discounting them and Nintendo has been vocal about not devaluing them. It can be fun to discuss business approaches and ideas, but you're not even starting from the right place.
@Anti-Matter you've implied with this and your previous post that most current Switch 2 owners bought it out of blind loyalty and / or don't see the flaws. That's not particularly likely.
@JaxonH yeah and imagining personal experiences to be what the market is or wants is also one of the fastest ways to fail in business or product development
@Striker21 interesting that a reputable consulting firm would produce such reports. I can see why and how they've come to those conclusions but would personally challenge the basis on which they were created. Thankfully I don't work for them.
@Striker21 you're in denial that the market is actually moving away from live service games. It's bizarre that your claims are like the opposite of what's happening.
@ButterySmooth30FPS he's going to expect 1080p 60fps while playing on battery mode on the laptop. I'd also be impressed to see a sub £400 laptop that would play most games at 60fps.
@OldGamer999 can't say it wouldn't be interesting but can't see it being worth the R&d and effort to bring it to market. Maybe if the PS5 Pro became the biggest and fastest selling console 😁 Fun to dream perhaps! 😃
@OldGamer999 that would be one heck of a dock 😆. Basically would need to be an external graphic card with a another processor to take on the additional CPU loads. And possibly cost more than the switch 2 😬
@Vyacheslav333 laptops have never, ever been portable gaming devices. You'd get laughed out of most gaming circles saying that, including the enthusiast pc ones.
Plus, I'm not sure how anyone can ever play on a laptop while standing up without a table or something to put the laptop on. Physically impossible for pretty much every game not named pacman
@OldGamer999 I get that more frames tends to be nicer but come on. The new high end Rog Ally Xbox X handheld barely even reaches 30fps for cyberpunk and doesn't go above 40fps for Doom the dark ages. Expecting 60fps isn't realistic for every release.
@Solid_Python correct. They can't seem to grasp that it's a portable. Or that they're in the camp that wants Nintendo to sell a powerful home console once again (which isn't happening for a long long long time given the success of this strategy)
@MrStark it's been noted a couple of years back that prices of older electronics were going up. That plus tarrifs meant Nintendo would need to raise the price of the og switch to remain profitable
@Erigen be careful with AI summaries, there are often glaring mistakes where things are lumped together that don't belong together. Data accuracy is relatively poor so always cross check what you get
@BrintaPap I'm not sure you know this but pc games also have a graphic and performance ceiling, just some games really push the envelope so it takes years before that's reached (hello Crysis). Every enthusiast pc gamer also knows there are diminishing returns to better pc hardware - part of the joy of pc gaming without an unlimited budget is figuring out the balance.
@BoFiS I didn't read any performance issues mentioned? The only thing that possibly fits what you say is a mention of some relatively blurry bits at times.
@topsekret Devs and publishers are absolutely choosing GKCs for cost reasons. Though I recall for Star Wars Outlaws it was also for read speeds due to the game originally being designed for it.
Ultimately, I don't have a great answer. I can only speculate that out of the available compromises, Nintendo chose to improve production efficiency.
They possibly determined that the difference in read speeds between the Switch 2 cartridge and the Micro SD Express cards were not significant enough to result in devs spending much more time in the development process.
@topsekret appreciate the idea. I feel that giving more card options would've increased costs and manufacturing considerations more than Nintendo was comfortable with. More choice is generally better for many but ultimately, I think Nintendo chose to maximise manufacturing productivity and simplify the choices for publishers. Sometimes, too much choices = indecision/no decision gets made. Appreciate the thoughtful response though. My response is just a theory anyway.
@topsekret 3rd parties wanted GKCs. The alternative was probably having fewer 3rd parties on board for the Switch 2 or only having fully digital release or code in a box release.
@Nintendoh Given how big gaming is, the fact the so many don't seem to understand somewhat basic business is still surprising to me. I accept that not everyone studied marketing or business but still....
@GrailUK 20% mark up has never been the norm. While different industries have different margins, a 30% margin at a bare minimum is more 'normal'. The whole point of being a business is to make profit. Your last line is confusing because what I said was along the lines of do gamers want the whole industry to change so that all the video game companies operate as non profits instead?
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Re: Digital Foundry Delivers A Tech Analysis Of Assassin's Creed Shadows On Switch 2
I don't get the 'lazy developer' criticism. I feel that type of criticism is also an incredibly lazy one. You can't possibly know the prioritisation decisions that go into making a port. I certainly don't and won't even pretend to try.
Re: Digital Foundry Delivers A Tech Analysis Of Assassin's Creed Shadows On Switch 2
@Dee123 nonsense.
Re: Mario Kart World Has Been Updated To Version 1.4.0, Here Are The Full Patch Notes
@StampGuy I've done several online multiplayer sessions this past week and pretty much every race had at least one 3 lap option to vote on.
Re: Review: Assassin's Creed Shadows (Switch 2) - An Ambitious Port Of A Captivating Series Refresh
@romando so again we're back to expecting a portable PS5-like console at less than $500. I'll eat humble pie if Sony releases a portable PS5 at under $500.
Even Microsoft's foray into a portable Xbox world costs more....
Re: Random: Timesplitters: Rewind Is An Ultra-Slick Fan-Made Tribute That's Got Us In GameCube FPS Mode
@Vyacheslav333 no pressure to make any of the costs back 🤷🏻♂️
Re: Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade's File Size On Switch 2 Is Making Us Sweat
The weird thing is, there are some who insist this could've been magically compressed to fit a 64gb card
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Are In For Kirby Air Riders
@MamaSymphonia Metro also tore apart Warriors games because they don't like musou games in general
Re: Reggie Is "Surprised" We Haven't Seen More Xbox Titles On Switch 2
@Toastmaster "...and Switch 2 cost nearly the same as the powerful Rog Ally and Legion Go PC Handhelds. 680$." Didn't the Legion Go launch in Canada for around CAD$950? And didn't the Switch 2 launch for 629? I don't recall a price increase in Canada. Maybe you're thinking of the Mario Kart World bundle?
Re: Reggie Is "Surprised" We Haven't Seen More Xbox Titles On Switch 2
@ElRoberico on this, we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't feel the race to the bottom pricing is helping the game industry at all and is actually detrimental in the long term. I don't believe that games should be like cars and become effectively worthless after x time.
Re: Reggie Is "Surprised" We Haven't Seen More Xbox Titles On Switch 2
@ElRoberico they very strongly believe their games have value. Deep discounts destroy that value and conditions players to wait like how many now wait for Ubisoft discounts I guess 🤷🏻♂️
Re: Switch 2 Sells Over 10 Million Units, Nintendo Increases Forecast Even Further
@Striker21 bold claim considering Sony has cancelled most of it's live service games plans. You didn't provide any source for the quotes - guessing it was from AI mode. I dug around to find out they came from a consulting firm's report.
Also, your base premise for all your suggestions is that "Nintendo's sales model heavily relies on nostalgia" - demonstrating you don't know their sales model or their business. The basis for your suggestions then is flawed and doesn't, in any way, support their current strategy or their strengths.
They also already have a subscription model that grants access to several classic games. Can that library be better? Sure. Should they go further and add more and charge more like your suggestion for 25 a month for day 1 releases? Nothing suggests that it would be a good idea and it sounds like a shareholder idea to try to chase the shrinking subscription money tree.
Your gamepass-like idea is also faster way to devalue their games than discounting them and Nintendo has been vocal about not devaluing them. It can be fun to discuss business approaches and ideas, but you're not even starting from the right place.
Re: Talking Point: Smashing Switch 2 Numbers Prove Nintendo's Strategy Is Super Effective
@Anti-Matter you've implied with this and your previous post that most current Switch 2 owners bought it out of blind loyalty and / or don't see the flaws. That's not particularly likely.
Re: Talking Point: Smashing Switch 2 Numbers Prove Nintendo's Strategy Is Super Effective
@JaxonH yeah and imagining personal experiences to be what the market is or wants is also one of the fastest ways to fail in business or product development
Re: Talking Point: Smashing Switch 2 Numbers Prove Nintendo's Strategy Is Super Effective
@Anti-Matter "That's because the big sales from Switch 2 built from blind / brand loyalty, not by common sense."
Alternatively, the general public genuinely doesn't care as much as some do about game key cards.
Re: Switch 2 Sells Over 10 Million Units, Nintendo Increases Forecast Even Further
@Striker21 interesting that a reputable consulting firm would produce such reports. I can see why and how they've come to those conclusions but would personally challenge the basis on which they were created. Thankfully I don't work for them.
Re: Opinion: Third-Party Support For Switch 2 Is Already A Dream Come True
@KociolekDoSyta ooh that's an interesting handheld! I imagine that's what some here want the Nintendo Switch to be while costing £400
Re: Switch 2 Sells Over 10 Million Units, Nintendo Increases Forecast Even Further
@Striker21 you're in denial that the market is actually moving away from live service games. It's bizarre that your claims are like the opposite of what's happening.
Re: Opinion: Third-Party Support For Switch 2 Is Already A Dream Come True
@ButterySmooth30FPS he's going to expect 1080p 60fps while playing on battery mode on the laptop. I'd also be impressed to see a sub £400 laptop that would play most games at 60fps.
Re: Opinion: Third-Party Support For Switch 2 Is Already A Dream Come True
@OldGamer999 can't say it wouldn't be interesting but can't see it being worth the R&d and effort to bring it to market. Maybe if the PS5 Pro became the biggest and fastest selling console 😁
Fun to dream perhaps! 😃
Re: Opinion: Third-Party Support For Switch 2 Is Already A Dream Come True
@OldGamer999 that would be one heck of a dock 😆. Basically would need to be an external graphic card with a another processor to take on the additional CPU loads. And possibly cost more than the switch 2 😬
Re: Opinion: Third-Party Support For Switch 2 Is Already A Dream Come True
@Vyacheslav333 laptops have never, ever been portable gaming devices. You'd get laughed out of most gaming circles saying that, including the enthusiast pc ones.
Plus, I'm not sure how anyone can ever play on a laptop while standing up without a table or something to put the laptop on. Physically impossible for pretty much every game not named pacman
Re: Opinion: Third-Party Support For Switch 2 Is Already A Dream Come True
@Vyacheslav333 are there any handhelds new or not new that play at 60fps?
Re: Opinion: Third-Party Support For Switch 2 Is Already A Dream Come True
@OldGamer999 I get that more frames tends to be nicer but come on. The new high end Rog Ally Xbox X handheld barely even reaches 30fps for cyberpunk and doesn't go above 40fps for Doom the dark ages. Expecting 60fps isn't realistic for every release.
Re: Opinion: Third-Party Support For Switch 2 Is Already A Dream Come True
@Solid_Python correct. They can't seem to grasp that it's a portable. Or that they're in the camp that wants Nintendo to sell a powerful home console once again (which isn't happening for a long long long time given the success of this strategy)
Re: Opinion: Third-Party Support For Switch 2 Is Already A Dream Come True
@Solid_Python I think some expected a portable PS5 for under £400. Which is unrealistic in my view.
Re: Switch 2 Sells Over 10 Million Units, Nintendo Increases Forecast Even Further
@Striker21 based on a fundamental misunderstanding of Nintendo's business model. It's not nostalgia though that's of course a key strength.
Re: Metroid Prime 4's Sweet New Trailer Builds The Hype For Next Month's Launch
@Ejadaddy case in point, gamers weren't asking for Splatoon or a game like it. Splatoon is awesome
Re: Switch 2 Sells Over 10 Million Units, Nintendo Increases Forecast Even Further
@SuntannedDuck2 why is the marketing atrocious?
Re: Switch 2 Sells Over 10 Million Units, Nintendo Increases Forecast Even Further
@MrStark it's been noted a couple of years back that prices of older electronics were going up. That plus tarrifs meant Nintendo would need to raise the price of the og switch to remain profitable
Re: Switch 2 Sells Over 10 Million Units, Nintendo Increases Forecast Even Further
@Striker21 completely misunderstanding Nintendo's business model...
Re: Switch Is Poised To Be Nintendo's Best-Selling Console Of All Time
Not bad considering the number of ppl who insisted sales would fall off a cliff
Re: UK Charts: EA Sports FC 26 Kicks Pokémon Legends Z-A Into Second Place
@Misima all it shows is that several internet areas are just echo chambers which have no bearing on reality.
Re: UK Charts: EA Sports FC 26 Kicks Pokémon Legends Z-A Into Second Place
@Erigen be careful with AI summaries, there are often glaring mistakes where things are lumped together that don't belong together. Data accuracy is relatively poor so always cross check what you get
Re: Nintendo Wins Lawsuit Against 'Pirate' Streamer Who Taunted Company Online
@WiltonRoots maybe he's best mates with the guy
Re: Nintendo Wins Lawsuit Against 'Pirate' Streamer Who Taunted Company Online
@croz so, just a slap on the wrist then
Re: PSA: Don't Expect Animal Crossing: New Horizons - Nintendo Switch 2 Edition To Include The DLC
@BrintaPap I'm not sure you know this but pc games also have a graphic and performance ceiling, just some games really push the envelope so it takes years before that's reached (hello Crysis).
Every enthusiast pc gamer also knows there are diminishing returns to better pc hardware - part of the joy of pc gaming without an unlimited budget is figuring out the balance.
Re: Nintendo Wins Lawsuit Against 'Pirate' Streamer Who Taunted Company Online
@Gen4Fan they do this because pirates of current gen games have lots of fans, including on this site.
Re: Everything Included In The Animal Crossing: New Horizons - Nintendo Switch 2 Edition & Free 3.0 Update
@KidSparta it's disheartening to see such a focus from some about frame rates in a game where you chill
Re: "Go Tell Nintendo" - Ex-Blizzard President Responds After Xbox Calls Exclusives "Antiquated"
It's fascinating seeing arguements that claim exclusives are dead AND exclusives are antiquated/outdated.
Re: "Go Tell Nintendo" - Ex-Blizzard President Responds After Xbox Calls Exclusives "Antiquated"
@1UP-HUSKY mario galaxy =/= mario odyssey =/= super mario 3d world.
Re: Factorio - Nintendo Switch 2 Edition Announced, Free Upgrade For Existing Owners
@Joeynator3000 the developer doesn't believe in devaluing his game.
Re: Mini Review: Lumo 2 (Switch) - A Delightful Celebration Of British Retro Gaming
@BoFiS I didn't read any performance issues mentioned? The only thing that possibly fits what you say is a mention of some relatively blurry bits at times.
Re: Mini Review: Lumo 2 (Switch) - A Delightful Celebration Of British Retro Gaming
You had me at marble madness
Re: Nintendo Reportedly Increases Switch 2 Production To 25 Million Units For Year 1
@topsekret Devs and publishers are absolutely choosing GKCs for cost reasons. Though I recall for Star Wars Outlaws it was also for read speeds due to the game originally being designed for it.
Ultimately, I don't have a great answer. I can only speculate that out of the available compromises, Nintendo chose to improve production efficiency.
They possibly determined that the difference in read speeds between the Switch 2 cartridge and the Micro SD Express cards were not significant enough to result in devs spending much more time in the development process.
Re: Nintendo Reportedly Increases Switch 2 Production To 25 Million Units For Year 1
@topsekret appreciate the idea. I feel that giving more card options would've increased costs and manufacturing considerations more than Nintendo was comfortable with. More choice is generally better for many but ultimately, I think Nintendo chose to maximise manufacturing productivity and simplify the choices for publishers. Sometimes, too much choices = indecision/no decision gets made. Appreciate the thoughtful response though. My response is just a theory anyway.
Re: Nintendo Reportedly Increases Switch 2 Production To 25 Million Units For Year 1
@topsekret 3rd parties wanted GKCs. The alternative was probably having fewer 3rd parties on board for the Switch 2 or only having fully digital release or code in a box release.
Re: Nintendo Reportedly Increases Switch 2 Production To 25 Million Units For Year 1
@Nintendoh Given how big gaming is, the fact the so many don't seem to understand somewhat basic business is still surprising to me. I accept that not everyone studied marketing or business but still....
Re: Nintendo Reportedly Increases Switch 2 Production To 25 Million Units For Year 1
@WiltonRoots It certainly does! I do wish/hope for more colourway options - really want orange
Re: Nintendo Reportedly Increases Switch 2 Production To 25 Million Units For Year 1
@GrailUK 20% mark up has never been the norm. While different industries have different margins, a 30% margin at a bare minimum is more 'normal'. The whole point of being a business is to make profit. Your last line is confusing because what I said was along the lines of do gamers want the whole industry to change so that all the video game companies operate as non profits instead?
Re: Nintendo Reportedly Increases Switch 2 Production To 25 Million Units For Year 1
@WiltonRoots 😊 nice! A bundle or just the console first?