@Kirgo There are many cases throughout history (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_genericized_trademarks), I've already shown you the escalator example where a company lost the trademark over the name.
It's not common largely because of what companies like Nintendo do to protect their trademark. They take it very seriously because the consequences are irreversible (As in the brand value of the trademark becomes pretty much zero)
I've seen almost identical messaging over the years from other companies for products like Rollerblade (They used to put out terse messaging in ads during the 90s telling everyone to stop using Rollerblading as a verb) and Xerox
Edit: To be fair, unless you've studied or are studying marketing/business, you're unlikely to know when companies lose a trademark - simply because it's used so often as part of regular speech. I mean, when I did marketing I was surprised to learn of words that used to be registered trademarks. Funny you should mention Jacuzzi though as that's still an active trademark - thanks largely to Jacuzzi's efforts to get everyone to use the term hot tub instead of Jacuzzi.
@zool Product name branding can be a funny thing - but the official names for the three companies products are different. Nintendo is the only one to put their company name there. Possibly to reinforce that it's a Nintendo product and possibly to help differentiate from the Wii and Wii U era
@GravyThief It also applied in Southeast Asia in the 90s (looking at the ad, produced in 1990 - the time period matches with the time Nintendo was widely used to describe videogames).
Nintendo largely doesn't have this problem anymore (though my wife still calls my Switch 'the Wii'). Sony and Microsoft are the ones with greater concerns in this area I think.
@boxyguy Large companies have ALWAYS been careful about possibly losing their trademarks. This is nothing new. I learnt this stuff over two decades ago.
@Octane_st1m I thought more Malaysians started paying attention to E3 like about a decade or more ago? I'm reasonably certain local Nintendo fan circles talked about it
@Giancarlothomaz To be fair, you saw a bit more of BotW 2 even before E3 2022 - only thing was, it was slightly extended footage as part of an announcement about a delay till 2023.
So, we're probably unlikely to get more footage until Q4 2022.
Remember when people (and some sections of the gaming press) loudly claimed that Nintendo had given up on E3 with it's Nintendo Directs? Nintendo were ahead of the curve.
HAHAHA! The top level is over 2500.... 1100 is just an average player who would get easily beaten by club level players (or any experienced player really...).
@Yorumi oh I don't mean it as a criticism of your previous comment. I posted it as I didn't factor in that updates will also take up a significant portion of storage.
I'm still interested in the Stream Deck but this discovery does temper my expectations somewhat. Notably, I'm primarily interested in the Steam Deck for the possibility of playing the big releases on the go. Knowing that I can only hold a few before needing multiple SD cards isn't great for me
@SportyMarioSonicMix ah. I did some googling around. Confusion solved. Dsi shop closed in 2017. Some DSiware games are still available only through the DSiware part of the 3DS eShop until that eshop closes.
Tbf, NL mentioned that last part in their article.
@Ultimapunch "It’s that they seem to have overt contempt for any and all actions to preserve their past titles."
Usually because those attempts involve keeping them in a playable form in a publicly accessible website where people probably don't have to pay any fee to experience a particular title.
Alternatively, keeping them in a downloadable form in a publicly accessible website where people may or may not need to pay to download that experience for themselves.
i have a theory that joycon drift gets bigger press because there are just so many of them - after all, every Switch console comes with double the number of controllers that the Xbox/PS comes with .... and.... a lot of Switch consoles have been sold...
@Banjo- I'm active on HotUKDeals and whenever a post about the Elite controller pops up, drift is inevitably mentioned. Also, Microsoft had to extend the warranty because of the volume and frequency of reported issues (which led to a lawsuit): https://www.thegamer.com/microsoft-warranty-elite-series-2-joystick-drift/
@Yorumi Gosh - I saw this on GamesRadar - "Dying Light 2 was 44GB, Elden Ring is 47GB, God of War is 64GB. Updates took up 80GB of space, and the mysterious "Other" category ate just 13GB."
That's nearly 256GB already for just 3 games.....
I know you can easily expand storage through microSD cards but still......
@Dirty0814 I agree. I LOVED the concept and the system. I think Nintendo's hands have been well burnt by the reception - and, crucially, the tech crowd never warmed to asymmetric gaming or the other good parts of the Wii U. A revisit to the same dual screen concept would need something majorly good to avoid significant bad press.
I preferred playing Mass Effect 3 on the Wii U because the gamepad offered tactical options that was not possible anywhere else including the PC. I could direct flanking manoeuvres! Pikmin 3 was a delight to play as an RTS with the gamepad set as a second screen and using the Wii remote + nunchuck as the primary control setup.
@Dirty0814 I enjoyed the asymmetric gaming experiences but it's not coming back. The Wii U failed hard enough to 'prove' that it's not a great selling factor.
@sixrings You are a bit more reasonable than others ...
I constantly read demands (including snarky comments) for a 1080p screen for portable gaming. None of them believe/consider that the battery life would be measured in minutes, rather than hours with that kind of screen (I'm exaggerating slightly for effect)
@edusoares edusoares12:59pm @Rika_Yoshitake "A hardware issue isn't as "fast" to fix"
It also don't take 5 years with nothing being done.
That's objectively false. There have been multiple tweaks and fixes over the years. Nintendo has been done things behind the scenes to improve the durability and this has been confirmed by other YouTubers.
@Banjo- I've heard lots of comments about the Xbox Elite controllers getting drift issues - yet no story about resolving them. Arguably, that's a worse(r) issue considering the relative price difference between a single joycon and a single Elite controller
"Companies, since when to "major world events" need to have any impact on your activities? Hint: They shouldn't. Never. Ever. Neither. Happen. In the first place."
Nintendo. Damned if they do. Damned if they don't.
@Mando44646 why do some fans act like everything Nintendo does is to spite them?
This decision should've been the most obvious normal decision to avoid silly stuff like Nintendo advertising PlayStation on Nintendo's YouTube channel and yet I see fans claim that this is an anti-fan move. Smh
@Savage_Joe Perhaps Nintendo might not have removed Smash if any company other than Sony purchased it. Or, they might still have due to the previous numerous controversies that's tainted the event
@Madao there are more positions between than "blind worshipping" and "hating". Not everyone who provides more context is a "blind worshipper" and it's terribly unhelpful to throw terms like that around
@Arisen then perhaps you should direct your ire at Sony for buying Evo and Evo itself for all the previous controversies that make family friendly brands shy away
@diwdiws I would assume because the Steam Deck has a custom Steam OS UI. I don't really know outside of multiple sources saying it isn't a great idea even if it possible.
I imagine that screen size would be the first issue. I already run into annoyances when I use my slightly-smaller-than standard laptop
I'm personally interested in one for the future but need a price drop first because, realistically speaking, only the 256 or 512GB versions are really worth getting due to the mega large install sizes of games.
For example, the base model doesn't seem capable of playing Borderlands 3 without a giant micro SD card.
Reading some reviews, just because a game can run on Steam Deck doesn't mean that it runs well (Tiny text on Borderlands 3 for example and I saw someone comment earlier that Hades runs better on the Switch).
Also: Valve recommends not wiping SteamOS for Windows — naturally — but designer Lawrence Yang told IGN that it was possible.
"We don't think people should be locked into a certain direction or a certain set of software that they can install. If you buy a Steam Deck, it's a PC. You can install whatever you want on it, you can attach any peripherals you want to it. Maybe a better way to think about it is that it's a small PC with a controller attached as opposed to a gaming console."
What you would lose by installing Windows is all of the UI optimizations that Valve has designed with SteamOS to make it a good experience on a handheld. But you're going to be free to do as you wish with it. With 16GB of RAM onboard and a custom quad-core AMD APU, it'll certainly have enough horsepower for Windows.
@SwaySnivy "I already see Steam deck as a win because Steam offer a regional price for games."
So does Nintendo Russia was one of the cheapest places to get games but of course now is probably the worst time to use it. South Africa was another option.
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Re: Random: Here's Why Nintendo Doesn’t Want You Using The Word "Nintendo" To Describe Video Games
@Kirgo There are many cases throughout history (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_genericized_trademarks), I've already shown you the escalator example where a company lost the trademark over the name.
It's not common largely because of what companies like Nintendo do to protect their trademark. They take it very seriously because the consequences are irreversible (As in the brand value of the trademark becomes pretty much zero)
I've seen almost identical messaging over the years from other companies for products like Rollerblade (They used to put out terse messaging in ads during the 90s telling everyone to stop using Rollerblading as a verb) and Xerox
Edit: To be fair, unless you've studied or are studying marketing/business, you're unlikely to know when companies lose a trademark - simply because it's used so often as part of regular speech. I mean, when I did marketing I was surprised to learn of words that used to be registered trademarks. Funny you should mention Jacuzzi though as that's still an active trademark - thanks largely to Jacuzzi's efforts to get everyone to use the term hot tub instead of Jacuzzi.
Re: Random: Here's Why Nintendo Doesn’t Want You Using The Word "Nintendo" To Describe Video Games
@zool Product name branding can be a funny thing - but the official names for the three companies products are different. Nintendo is the only one to put their company name there. Possibly to reinforce that it's a Nintendo product and possibly to help differentiate from the Wii and Wii U era
Re: Random: Here's Why Nintendo Doesn’t Want You Using The Word "Nintendo" To Describe Video Games
@GravyThief It also applied in Southeast Asia in the 90s (looking at the ad, produced in 1990 - the time period matches with the time Nintendo was widely used to describe videogames).
Nintendo largely doesn't have this problem anymore (though my wife still calls my Switch 'the Wii'). Sony and Microsoft are the ones with greater concerns in this area I think.
Re: Random: Here's Why Nintendo Doesn’t Want You Using The Word "Nintendo" To Describe Video Games
@Kirgo Did it happen before? Yes, many times throughout modern history. Escalator is probably the most famous example that transcends international cultures. https://www.consumerreports.org/consumerist/15-product-trademarks-that-have-become-victims-of-genericization/#:~:text=Aspirin%3A%20Formally%20known%20as%20acetylsalicylic,German%20name%20for%20salicylic%20acid.
@boxyguy Large companies have ALWAYS been careful about possibly losing their trademarks. This is nothing new. I learnt this stuff over two decades ago.
Re: Hands On: 4K Gamer Pro - A 4K 'Silver Bullet' For Your Nintendo Switch?
To me the main question is:
Is the quality difference the same as that between a Gamecube component video cable and a Gamecube composite cable?
Re: E3 2022 Is Officially Cancelled
@Octane_st1m I thought more Malaysians started paying attention to E3 like about a decade or more ago? I'm reasonably certain local Nintendo fan circles talked about it
Re: E3 2022 Is Officially Cancelled
@Giancarlothomaz To be fair, you saw a bit more of BotW 2 even before E3 2022 - only thing was, it was slightly extended footage as part of an announcement about a delay till 2023.
So, we're probably unlikely to get more footage until Q4 2022.
Re: E3 2022 Is Officially Cancelled
I'll miss E3 for sure - even though it became more of an MS and Nintendo (albeit separately through their E3 Directs) showcase in recent years.
Re: E3 2022 Is Officially Cancelled
Remember when people (and some sections of the gaming press) loudly claimed that Nintendo had given up on E3 with it's Nintendo Directs? Nintendo were ahead of the curve.
Re: Grab Some Headphones For This Chrono Cross: The Radical Dreamers Edition Music
@Daniel36 Lazy comments about lazy ports are the laziest of all
Re: Shin'en Kicks Off 'Everything Must Go' 3DS And Wii U eShop Sale, Up To 80% Off
@PtM discounts only going up to 50% sounds more like Capcom and Koei Tecmo
Re: QubicGames Celebrates 18th Anniversary With A Big Switch Sale And Giveaway
I recommend Space Pioneer at this price
Re: Nintendo Download: 3rd March (North America)
"Play from beginners level to top level ELO 1100"
HAHAHA! The top level is over 2500.... 1100 is just an average player who would get easily beaten by club level players (or any experienced player really...).
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@Yorumi oh I don't mean it as a criticism of your previous comment. I posted it as I didn't factor in that updates will also take up a significant portion of storage.
I'm still interested in the Stream Deck but this discovery does temper my expectations somewhat. Notably, I'm primarily interested in the Steam Deck for the possibility of playing the big releases on the go. Knowing that I can only hold a few before needing multiple SD cards isn't great for me
Re: Feature: "These Older eShop Titles Paid Our Office Rent" - 3DS And Wii U Devs Discuss The eShop Closure
@SportyMarioSonicMix ah. I did some googling around. Confusion solved. Dsi shop closed in 2017. Some DSiware games are still available only through the DSiware part of the 3DS eShop until that eshop closes.
Tbf, NL mentioned that last part in their article.
Re: Anniversary: The Nintendo Switch Is Now 5 Years Old
Well done Nintendo! Congratulations on surviving 5 (no, 6 or 7) years of constant negativity from pixel counters
Re: There Are Some Tempting Deals On The 3DS eShop Right Now
@garfreek @Richnj Great! You can experience my line in the game "Rust in pieces!"
Re: There Are Some Tempting Deals On The 3DS eShop Right Now
@sailornic Nintendo doesn't decide prices of eShop games
Re: Feature: "These Older eShop Titles Paid Our Office Rent" - 3DS And Wii U Devs Discuss The eShop Closure
@Ultimapunch "It’s that they seem to have overt contempt for any and all actions to preserve their past titles."
Usually because those attempts involve keeping them in a playable form in a publicly accessible website where people probably don't have to pay any fee to experience a particular title.
Alternatively, keeping them in a downloadable form in a publicly accessible website where people may or may not need to pay to download that experience for themselves.
Re: Feature: "These Older eShop Titles Paid Our Office Rent" - 3DS And Wii U Devs Discuss The eShop Closure
@SportyMarioSonicMix Thought that was shut down already? Or am I misremembering?
Re: Don't Panic, Valve Has Already Resolved Steam Deck's Supposed Switch-Like "Drift" Issues
i have a theory that joycon drift gets bigger press because there are just so many of them - after all, every Switch console comes with double the number of controllers that the Xbox/PS comes with .... and.... a lot of Switch consoles have been sold...
Re: Don't Panic, Valve Has Already Resolved Steam Deck's Supposed Switch-Like "Drift" Issues
@Banjo- I'm active on HotUKDeals and whenever a post about the Elite controller pops up, drift is inevitably mentioned. Also, Microsoft had to extend the warranty because of the volume and frequency of reported issues (which led to a lawsuit): https://www.thegamer.com/microsoft-warranty-elite-series-2-joystick-drift/
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@Yorumi Gosh - I saw this on GamesRadar - "Dying Light 2 was 44GB, Elden Ring is 47GB, God of War is 64GB. Updates took up 80GB of space, and the mysterious "Other" category ate just 13GB."
That's nearly 256GB already for just 3 games.....
I know you can easily expand storage through microSD cards but still......
Re: 'Switch Pro' Trends On Social Media After Massive Nvidia Leak Reignites Speculation
@Dirty0814 I agree. I LOVED the concept and the system. I think Nintendo's hands have been well burnt by the reception - and, crucially, the tech crowd never warmed to asymmetric gaming or the other good parts of the Wii U. A revisit to the same dual screen concept would need something majorly good to avoid significant bad press.
I preferred playing Mass Effect 3 on the Wii U because the gamepad offered tactical options that was not possible anywhere else including the PC. I could direct flanking manoeuvres! Pikmin 3 was a delight to play as an RTS with the gamepad set as a second screen and using the Wii remote + nunchuck as the primary control setup.
Re: 'Switch Pro' Trends On Social Media After Massive Nvidia Leak Reignites Speculation
@Dirty0814 I enjoyed the asymmetric gaming experiences but it's not coming back. The Wii U failed hard enough to 'prove' that it's not a great selling factor.
Re: 'Switch Pro' Trends On Social Media After Massive Nvidia Leak Reignites Speculation
@sixrings You are a bit more reasonable than others ...
I constantly read demands (including snarky comments) for a 1080p screen for portable gaming. None of them believe/consider that the battery life would be measured in minutes, rather than hours with that kind of screen (I'm exaggerating slightly for effect)
Re: Don't Panic, Valve Has Already Resolved Steam Deck's Supposed Switch-Like "Drift" Issues
@edusoares edusoares12:59pm
@Rika_Yoshitake "A hardware issue isn't as "fast" to fix"
It also don't take 5 years with nothing being done.
That's objectively false. There have been multiple tweaks and fixes over the years. Nintendo has been done things behind the scenes to improve the durability and this has been confirmed by other YouTubers.
Re: Don't Panic, Valve Has Already Resolved Steam Deck's Supposed Switch-Like "Drift" Issues
@Banjo- I've heard lots of comments about the Xbox Elite controllers getting drift issues - yet no story about resolving them. Arguably, that's a worse(r) issue considering the relative price difference between a single joycon and a single Elite controller
Re: Don't Panic, Valve Has Already Resolved Steam Deck's Supposed Switch-Like "Drift" Issues
@Snatcher Nintendo will replace your joycons for free - no need to shell out on new ones
Re: Poll: Are You A Fan Of Nintendo Switch Online's Game Pass-Style Missions And Rewards?
@PcTV too bad some can't see past the end of their nose to appreciate your view of it
Re: 'Switch Pro' Trends On Social Media After Massive Nvidia Leak Reignites Speculation
@sixrings the deck docks (hah!). When people want the Switch Pro, nearly all the comments I read talk about having 1080p on the go
Re: 'Switch Pro' Trends On Social Media After Massive Nvidia Leak Reignites Speculation
@sixrings it can't show 1080p full stop. The Steam Deck screen is 720p
Re: Promotion Of Pokémon Scarlet & Violet Reveal "Significantly Reduced" Due To "Major World Events"
"Companies, since when to "major world events" need to have any impact on your activities? Hint: They shouldn't. Never. Ever. Neither. Happen. In the first place."
Nintendo. Damned if they do. Damned if they don't.
Re: 'Switch Pro' Trends On Social Media After Massive Nvidia Leak Reignites Speculation
Watch the upgraded Switch get named........
"New Nintendo Switch"
Re: 'Switch Pro' Trends On Social Media After Massive Nvidia Leak Reignites Speculation
@LOGICWINS "1080p/60fps should be the NORM, not a privilege."
How much are you willing to pay?
Not even the fancy Steam Deck offers it yet
Re: It's Official, Nintendo Has Withdrawn Super Smash Bros. From EVO 2022
@Mando44646 why do some fans act like everything Nintendo does is to spite them?
This decision should've been the most obvious normal decision to avoid silly stuff like Nintendo advertising PlayStation on Nintendo's YouTube channel and yet I see fans claim that this is an anti-fan move. Smh
Re: It's Official, Nintendo Has Withdrawn Super Smash Bros. From EVO 2022
@twztid13 https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/11/nintendo-announces-first-ever-officially-licensed-smash-bros-championship-circuit-for-north-america
Re: Pokémon Scarlet & Pokémon Violet Announced, Releasing Worldwide On Switch In "Late 2022"
@nhSnork yeah - gameplay > graphics. Heck, I played many text-based games in the past, I used to dream of having graphics
Re: It's Official, Nintendo Has Withdrawn Super Smash Bros. From EVO 2022
@Savage_Joe Perhaps Nintendo might not have removed Smash if any company other than Sony purchased it. Or, they might still have due to the previous numerous controversies that's tainted the event
Re: It's Official, Nintendo Has Withdrawn Super Smash Bros. From EVO 2022
@Madao there are more positions between than "blind worshipping" and "hating". Not everyone who provides more context is a "blind worshipper" and it's terribly unhelpful to throw terms like that around
Re: It's Official, Nintendo Has Withdrawn Super Smash Bros. From EVO 2022
@Savage_Joe Imagine a "Sony - For the players" ad sting on every EVO Smash video... doesn't seem like such a dumb Nintendo decision now...
Re: It's Official, Nintendo Has Withdrawn Super Smash Bros. From EVO 2022
@Arisen double facepalm
Re: It's Official, Nintendo Has Withdrawn Super Smash Bros. From EVO 2022
@Arisen then perhaps you should direct your ire at Sony for buying Evo and Evo itself for all the previous controversies that make family friendly brands shy away
Re: It's Official, Nintendo Has Withdrawn Super Smash Bros. From EVO 2022
@MrHonest more mind boggling that people would treat those offering reasonable explanations as corporate suckers.
Some haters gotta hate no matter what I guess.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@diwdiws I would assume because the Steam Deck has a custom Steam OS UI. I don't really know outside of multiple sources saying it isn't a great idea even if it possible.
I imagine that screen size would be the first issue. I already run into annoyances when I use my slightly-smaller-than standard laptop
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@Yorumi I hope compatibility improves.
I'm personally interested in one for the future but need a price drop first because, realistically speaking, only the 256 or 512GB versions are really worth getting due to the mega large install sizes of games.
For example, the base model doesn't seem capable of playing Borderlands 3 without a giant micro SD card.
Reading some reviews, just because a game can run on Steam Deck doesn't mean that it runs well (Tiny text on Borderlands 3 for example and I saw someone comment earlier that Hades runs better on the Switch).
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@Zenszulu "...even the lowest spec model which isn't much more expensive than the OLED Switch probably won't sell as much as some seem to think..."
It definitely didn't sell as much as the most expensive model - "the most expensive version ($649.99 with 512GB of storage) is the most popular"
https://www.gamesradar.com/the-most-expensive-steam-deck-is-the-most-popular-and-its-changing-how-valve-thinks-about-steam-deck-2/
I guess this doubles down on the viewpoint of some that the Steam Deck is primarily for the (smaller) enthusiast market.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@diwdiws shrug https://www.windowscentral.com/why-you-shouldnt-install-windows-steam-deck
Also: Valve recommends not wiping SteamOS for Windows — naturally — but designer Lawrence Yang told IGN that it was possible.
"We don't think people should be locked into a certain direction or a certain set of software that they can install. If you buy a Steam Deck, it's a PC. You can install whatever you want on it, you can attach any peripherals you want to it. Maybe a better way to think about it is that it's a small PC with a controller attached as opposed to a gaming console."
What you would lose by installing Windows is all of the UI optimizations that Valve has designed with SteamOS to make it a good experience on a handheld. But you're going to be free to do as you wish with it. With 16GB of RAM onboard and a custom quad-core AMD APU, it'll certainly have enough horsepower for Windows.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@SwaySnivy "I already see Steam deck as a win because Steam offer a regional price for games."
So does Nintendo Russia was one of the cheapest places to get games but of course now is probably the worst time to use it. South Africa was another option.
Re: Round Up: The Reviews Of Valve's Steam Deck Are In - What's It Like Compared To Switch?
@diwdiws " its a PC! nothing needs porting!"
Not quite true of the Steam Deck. Games don't technically need to be ported but they do need to be made compatible. Not every game is compatible.