@ProjectCafe Yes, those that downloaded the game (even if they already paid for and own the game) totally deserve to die. Heck, forget identity theft, murder, soliciting drugs, physical abuse - not paying for content that should be paid for is the worst of crimes, therefore deserves the most extreme of consequences!
The side of the argument that you didn't address though is people taking issue with the legality of all of it. Some people are just obsessed with staying within the confines of the law when it comes to a certain issue but all of them are complete hypocrites (breaking the speed limit, as a small example). For emulation it's fine if individuals abstain - that's their choice. The second they try to impose their opinion on others however is when they start abusing their opinion.
@CartoonDan You are incorrect in your statement. It is both morally and legally a grey area.
Also, as a quick comment, people are misusing the word "wrong" more often than not. "Wrong" in this argument relates to two subjects which people confuse with each other:
Morality is a subject closely tied to religion that has no absolute answer. Toss in the subject of an intangible intellectual property and you're going to get a whole slew of answers addressing morality. Everyone that says they're against emulation undoubtedly have double standards (e.g. buying a used game, borrowing a game, entitlement to download a ROM/ISO just because you own the game, recording TV shows or movies off of tv). If abstaining from emulation helps you sleep at night then that's fine, just don't pretend you're "too good for McDonalds" when you indulge in something ignorantly/knowingly "compromising."
Getting to the point, it comes down to the individual in this situation. There is no right or wrong for emulation, only an individual's opinions and how their decisions will impact their mental well-being.
For "inheriting the cost of the dock" though I meant that the only way to use the DIY shell is to cannibalize the circuit board and ports from the Switch dock, currently requiring one to own an official switch dock (the dock may be extremely overpriced and have practically nothing in it, but as of now there is only one way to get the parts needed and that's through Nintendo's official dock).
Having overlooked jolimon's 5th edit on his reddit page clarifying that the main purpose for his creation is to have a far more portable dock, it's existence seems to make a lot more sense now. I've noticed some people have mentioned that they haven't used their dock at all, so this may be a better way for them to put it to use. Also, it may be impractical now to turn the official dock into a useless hunk of plastic, but a 3rd party of some sort may create and sell the components needed to implement into DIY docks instead.
Also, my "fanboy paranoia" comment was basically just taking a jab at the " ...and only the 'pure and righteous' original Nintendo product is legitimate" part of your post. It just annoyed me that this statement was thrown in there as calling fault with the DIY project doesn't mean that someone holds Nintendo's design as some golden standard either - but I get where you're coming from.
You're right though, heck with how much effort, time, and enthusiasm it takes to get even a small project like this going, power to him if he can make it a success (as well as possibly inspire other projects).
@PlywoodStick "Even though it's just a couple chunks of hard plastic, and a small circuit board with Power and A/V ports with an attached USB-C connector... It's like seeing a congregation of Puritans shooting down something new because it doesn't fit their narrow world view."
Careful now, that high horse of yours is walking on stilettos
I think you're overlooking that this DIY project absorbs the resources that the Switch dock uses. It inherits the cost of Nintendo's dock in addition to the cost he will sell the shell for and it takes the 1-step practicality of the Switch dock as it is and completely removes it for the sole purpose of correcting the extremely rare, if existent "scratched screen" problem.
Would this be helpful if it was being sold as a complete dock alternative at a lower price than Nintendo's? Absolutely. Otherwise, is it helpful for anything other than avoiding the screen problem? Not really.
Also be careful with that "fanboy paranoia", just because someone isn't too keen on the design of a DIY project doesn't make them a devout Nintendo fanboy. Nintendo's design most certainly isn't perfect, but when it takes $$ to use an alternative constructive criticism is certainly deserved.
@thedevilsjester The Switch just lays flat on top of it and u have to plug the usb-c cable in manually (the short "u-shaped" cable on the right). Not a very clever or practical design...
Looks like someone took Unity 101 and regurgitated parts of what they learned into this. They didn't even bother to give the character movement animations of any sort - It's just a motionless object that rotates. Hell the wheels on the motorcycle aren't even spinning.
@Louie06 I could care less, but I don't care less. Also sacrifices must be made for a heightened level of immersion. Some people just simply want to play a game, others want more than that.
Best Buy has had preorders up for nearly a week, not a day - since Feb 7th... (Zelda master edition popped up again on BB on the 7th too but sold out promptly)
@Swaz Speaking as someone that exclusively plays fps games with a mouse, Splatoon's method of aiming takes quite a bit of getting used to (using a mix of analog + motion). Once u get the hang of it tho it's almost as fast/precise as a mouse, but a lot more fun.
I hope the price difference for digital vs. physical is an incentive we continue to see on the Switch; It wasn't present at all for the Wii U. I almost exclusively buy physical copies, but for a smaller game like this I might be tempted to buy digital.
I really hope this crashes and burns sales wise. The Wii did so much harm in relation to what Nintendo thinks people want. Don't need this crap adding to that.
@JaxonH I think that's actually exactly what Nintendo is aiming for the Switch to be used as (they are mostly targeting adults in their advertisements after all). I've seen too many people already say that their Switch is never gonna leave the dock, but when you don't have much time to play games because you have a job it makes the hobby a lot more accessible. They really might hit upon a majorly untapped area of appeal again.
This isn't a surprise at all. No company is gonna be putting one of their big titles on the switch unless they see the switch being successful. We're lucky to even see a company dipping their toe in at this point with a low production cost title, and it'll most likely be after the holiday season until we potentially see otherwise.
I'm actually expecting the lack of a dpad to really not matter, even for VC games. I use a moga hero controller on my phone for some older platformers (ones that utilize only four directions) and actually find that I prefer using the joystick instead of the dpad most of the time (for fighter games though I can definitely understand wanting a dpad)
As others have said the list of developer names is completely meaningless unless the Switch is a success. Third parties dropped the Wii U like a hot sack of crap when everyone realized it wasn't taking off.
ARMS keeps on looking more appealing, but I can only imagine paying $20 US at most for how shallow it seems. $60 for it seems far more outrageous than $60 for Star Fox Zero.
It'll be nice if u can use those points on the new VC online games. That'd make so much sense to the extent that I doubt Nintendo has even considered it...
In relation to the LAN adapter, please don't waste ur money on it; there r much better options. Anker has a great one for around half the price, or for a little more one that's also a USB 3.0 hub. Heck even the amazon basics one is USB 3.0 w/ gigabit at literally half the price of hori's.
I'm really hoping theyre just gonna release a few more "big" titles for the 3ds and be done with it. It's been nearly 6 years - the 3ds needs to be good and dead so 100% can be focused on the switch.
Some people seem to keep trying to legitimize the Switch's weak launch window by saying that it's quite a bit like any other console's launch window. What these people aren't thinking about at all is how much time Nintendo has had a long time to prepare for the Switch's launch. Nintendo started to give up on the Wii U years ago, with a lot of game development being moved to the Switch due to Wii U's failure. Also Zelda may be out for launch, but we were initially promised this game back in 2015 and it's release is purposely being held back for Switch's launch; it's a given that we finally get this game and shouldn't favorably skew one's view of the launch.
The reason everyone is so upset about the launch is because Nintendo has had PLENTY of time to ensure a rock solid launch for the Switch and this is all they have to show for it.
What have they been doing all this time? How is that NOT concerning/frustrating?
@capitalism Yeah no problem at all because Splatoon 2 will only be relevant for a few months /sarcasm. Their online plan + the lack of launch titles + the mere existence of 1, 2 Switch really worries me about the Switch's future.
I traded in my crystal blue Dreamcast at Gamestop back in the day... have regretted it ever since. I'd be an even bigger idiot if I ever considered doing that again with any other system.
Gonna treat preordering a Switch like it's gonna be sold out within an hour (if not sooner). The moment the presentation starts I'm gonna be simultaneously glued to Amazon.
@AshFoxX it was said in Weekly Jump back in 2015 that the games will have the traditional turn-based battle system. I don't believe they've shown it in action yet though.
@Fazermint Exactly. People kinda forget too that BotW was quite literally the only game shown at e3. Nintendo isn't gonna have their most highly hyped and anticipated title for the past year miss the Switch's launch. People soak up rumors like sponges.
There's no way this is true. The Wii U has been dead since the release of Paper Mario: Color Splash Almost nothing has been released for the Wii U since Star Fox Zero. Is it to be believed that after the financial disaster that has been the Wii U the only new worthwhile game they have to show for the Switch's launch is a 3D Mario title? Especially after having Zelda as the entire focal point of this last E3? I don't think so.
Having a second screen was at times nice (Zelda, Xenoblade X), but instances in which it was used well were very few and far between. One less distraction for software developers is the way I see it.
@InternetBowser They fused their console and portable divisions to focus all efforts on one system. Very unlikely that the 3DS will have a direct successor.
At the moment my biggest question is if the dock is just a chunk of plastic with a power supply and HDMI or if there's also a processing unit in it that adds to what the tablet has.
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Re: Team Behind Wii U Emulator, CEMU, Makes Surprising Progress With Zelda: Breath of the Wild
@ProjectCafe Oh woops, you're right. It says right there in big bold letters:
"If you download an ISO of our games, you deserve to die. This being the case, we will hire a hitman with discretion."
Honestly how could I overlook that? I need to stop skimming.
Re: Team Behind Wii U Emulator, CEMU, Makes Surprising Progress With Zelda: Breath of the Wild
@ProjectCafe Yes, those that downloaded the game (even if they already paid for and own the game) totally deserve to die. Heck, forget identity theft, murder, soliciting drugs, physical abuse - not paying for content that should be paid for is the worst of crimes, therefore deserves the most extreme of consequences!
Ah, that fulfills my satirical quota for the day.
Re: Team Behind Wii U Emulator, CEMU, Makes Surprising Progress With Zelda: Breath of the Wild
@shani Took the words right out of my mouth.
The side of the argument that you didn't address though is people taking issue with the legality of all of it. Some people are just obsessed with staying within the confines of the law when it comes to a certain issue but all of them are complete hypocrites (breaking the speed limit, as a small example). For emulation it's fine if individuals abstain - that's their choice. The second they try to impose their opinion on others however is when they start abusing their opinion.
@CartoonDan You are incorrect in your statement. It is both morally and legally a grey area.
Also, as a quick comment, people are misusing the word "wrong" more often than not. "Wrong" in this argument relates to two subjects which people confuse with each other:
Morally wrong
Legally wrong
The two are not interchangeable.
Re: Dolphin Emulator Now Allows Wii Shop Access and Purchases
Morality is a subject closely tied to religion that has no absolute answer. Toss in the subject of an intangible intellectual property and you're going to get a whole slew of answers addressing morality. Everyone that says they're against emulation undoubtedly have double standards (e.g. buying a used game, borrowing a game, entitlement to download a ROM/ISO just because you own the game, recording TV shows or movies off of tv). If abstaining from emulation helps you sleep at night then that's fine, just don't pretend you're "too good for McDonalds" when you indulge in something ignorantly/knowingly "compromising."
Getting to the point, it comes down to the individual in this situation. There is no right or wrong for emulation, only an individual's opinions and how their decisions will impact their mental well-being.
Re: Video: See Sonic Forces At Its Best in Official Gameplay Footage
No notes taken from Sonic Utopia I see. Well at least there's still Sonic Mania to look forward to
Re: Random: Check Out This Travel Nintendo Switch DIY Dock
@PlywoodStick
...That picture made my day o.o
For "inheriting the cost of the dock" though I meant that the only way to use the DIY shell is to cannibalize the circuit board and ports from the Switch dock, currently requiring one to own an official switch dock (the dock may be extremely overpriced and have practically nothing in it, but as of now there is only one way to get the parts needed and that's through Nintendo's official dock).
Having overlooked jolimon's 5th edit on his reddit page clarifying that the main purpose for his creation is to have a far more portable dock, it's existence seems to make a lot more sense now. I've noticed some people have mentioned that they haven't used their dock at all, so this may be a better way for them to put it to use. Also, it may be impractical now to turn the official dock into a useless hunk of plastic, but a 3rd party of some sort may create and sell the components needed to implement into DIY docks instead.
Also, my "fanboy paranoia" comment was basically just taking a jab at the " ...and only the 'pure and righteous' original Nintendo product is legitimate" part of your post. It just annoyed me that this statement was thrown in there as calling fault with the DIY project doesn't mean that someone holds Nintendo's design as some golden standard either - but I get where you're coming from.
You're right though, heck with how much effort, time, and enthusiasm it takes to get even a small project like this going, power to him if he can make it a success (as well as possibly inspire other projects).
Re: Random: Check Out This Travel Nintendo Switch DIY Dock
@PlywoodStick "Even though it's just a couple chunks of hard plastic, and a small circuit board with Power and A/V ports with an attached USB-C connector... It's like seeing a congregation of Puritans shooting down something new because it doesn't fit their narrow world view."
Careful now, that high horse of yours is walking on stilettos
I think you're overlooking that this DIY project absorbs the resources that the Switch dock uses. It inherits the cost of Nintendo's dock in addition to the cost he will sell the shell for and it takes the 1-step practicality of the Switch dock as it is and completely removes it for the sole purpose of correcting the extremely rare, if existent "scratched screen" problem.
Would this be helpful if it was being sold as a complete dock alternative at a lower price than Nintendo's? Absolutely. Otherwise, is it helpful for anything other than avoiding the screen problem? Not really.
Also be careful with that "fanboy paranoia", just because someone isn't too keen on the design of a DIY project doesn't make them a devout Nintendo fanboy. Nintendo's design most certainly isn't perfect, but when it takes $$ to use an alternative constructive criticism is certainly deserved.
Re: Random: Check Out This Travel Nintendo Switch DIY Dock
@thedevilsjester The Switch just lays flat on top of it and u have to plug the usb-c cable in manually (the short "u-shaped" cable on the right). Not a very clever or practical design...
Re: You Can Earn My Nintendo Gold Points on Nintendo Switch Physical Retail Copies
Nintendo: Here's more ways to get points for our useless rewards!
Rides ass backwards into the sunset
Re: Vroom in the Night Sky Joins the Nintendo Switch Launch Line-Up
Looks like someone took Unity 101 and regurgitated parts of what they learned into this. They didn't even bother to give the character movement animations of any sort - It's just a motionless object that rotates. Hell the wheels on the motorcycle aren't even spinning.
Re: Gallery: These Nintendo Switch VR Mock-Ups Are Rather Eye-Catching
@Louie06 I could care less, but I don't care less. Also sacrifices must be made for a heightened level of immersion. Some people just simply want to play a game, others want more than that.
Re: Best Buy and GameStop Offering Switch Pro Controller Pre-Orders in the US
Best Buy has had preorders up for nearly a week, not a day - since Feb 7th... (Zelda master edition popped up again on BB on the 7th too but sold out promptly)
Re: Talking Point: Splatoon 2 is Set to be a Vital Early Arrival on Nintendo Switch
@Swaz Speaking as someone that exclusively plays fps games with a mouse, Splatoon's method of aiming takes quite a bit of getting used to (using a mix of analog + motion). Once u get the hang of it tho it's almost as fast/precise as a mouse, but a lot more fun.
Re: Splatoon 2 Global Testfire To Take Place During Nintendo Switch Launch Month
@masterLEON @KiWiiU_Freek Best Buy is still taking preorders for the pro controller fyi (if u live in the US). Free day 1 shipping.
Re: GameSeek States It'll Keep Selling Nintendo Switch for £198.50 Up to Release
Best Buy takes the money upfront here in the US for the record. I 100% trust them with my money but they also aren't offering any sort of discount.
Re: Puyo Puyo Tetris Confirmed for April Release on Nintendo Switch
I hope the price difference for digital vs. physical is an incentive we continue to see on the Switch; It wasn't present at all for the Wii U. I almost exclusively buy physical copies, but for a smaller game like this I might be tempted to buy digital.
Re: Video: More 1-2-Switch Mini-Games Shown Off In New Series Of Trailers
I really hope this crashes and burns sales wise. The Wii did so much harm in relation to what Nintendo thinks people want. Don't need this crap adding to that.
Re: Nintendo Hopes the Switch Can Be A Bridge Between Home Console and Portable
@JaxonH I think that's actually exactly what Nintendo is aiming for the Switch to be used as (they are mostly targeting adults in their advertisements after all). I've seen too many people already say that their Switch is never gonna leave the dock, but when you don't have much time to play games because you have a job it makes the hobby a lot more accessible. They really might hit upon a majorly untapped area of appeal again.
Re: Nintendo Switch Version Of For Honor Out Of The Question Right Now
This isn't a surprise at all. No company is gonna be putting one of their big titles on the switch unless they see the switch being successful. We're lucky to even see a company dipping their toe in at this point with a low production cost title, and it'll most likely be after the holiday season until we potentially see otherwise.
Re: Feature: Nintendo Switch Countdown - Considering the Joy-Con
I'm actually expecting the lack of a dpad to really not matter, even for VC games. I use a moga hero controller on my phone for some older platformers (ones that utilize only four directions) and actually find that I prefer using the joystick instead of the dpad most of the time (for fighter games though I can definitely understand wanting a dpad)
Re: Rolly Roguelike TumbleSeed Confirmed For Nintendo Switch
looks at the picture
"Looks boring"
Watches the video
"... I'm getting this day one"
Re: There Are Now Over 100 Games from 70+ Developers in the Works for Nintendo Switch
As others have said the list of developer names is completely meaningless unless the Switch is a success. Third parties dropped the Wii U like a hot sack of crap when everyone realized it wasn't taking off.
Re: Video: New Extended Nintendo Switch Trailer Showcases Launch Window
ARMS keeps on looking more appealing, but I can only imagine paying $20 US at most for how shallow it seems. $60 for it seems far more outrageous than $60 for Star Fox Zero.
Re: New My Nintendo Rewards Try to Show The Love for Valentine's Day
It'll be nice if u can use those points on the new VC online games. That'd make so much sense to the extent that I doubt Nintendo has even considered it...
Re: Hori Range of Nintendo Switch Accessories, Including LAN Adapter, Arrives on Amazon UK
In relation to the LAN adapter, please don't waste ur money on it; there r much better options. Anker has a great one for around half the price, or for a little more one that's also a USB 3.0 hub. Heck even the amazon basics one is USB 3.0 w/ gigabit at literally half the price of hori's.
Re: Kimishima on the Role of the 3DS After the Switch Launch
I'm really hoping theyre just gonna release a few more "big" titles for the 3ds and be done with it. It's been nearly 6 years - the 3ds needs to be good and dead so 100% can be focused on the switch.
Re: Soapbox: Nintendo's Switch Plan is Starting to Take Shape
Some people seem to keep trying to legitimize the Switch's weak launch window by saying that it's quite a bit like any other console's launch window. What these people aren't thinking about at all is how much time Nintendo has had a long time to prepare for the Switch's launch. Nintendo started to give up on the Wii U years ago, with a lot of game development being moved to the Switch due to Wii U's failure. Also Zelda may be out for launch, but we were initially promised this game back in 2015 and it's release is purposely being held back for Switch's launch; it's a given that we finally get this game and shouldn't favorably skew one's view of the launch.
The reason everyone is so upset about the launch is because Nintendo has had PLENTY of time to ensure a rock solid launch for the Switch and this is all they have to show for it.
What have they been doing all this time? How is that NOT concerning/frustrating?
Re: Breaking Down the Nintendo Switch Online Service Details
@capitalism Yeah no problem at all because Splatoon 2 will only be relevant for a few months /sarcasm. Their online plan + the lack of launch titles + the mere existence of 1, 2 Switch really worries me about the Switch's future.
Re: Hands On: Putting the Nintendo Switch Hardware Through Its Paces
"Weight wise it's slightly heavier than a Wii U GamePad"
Pretty sure that doesn't sound like a VR-friendly weight, but I guess I could be surprised.
Re: Hands On: Putting the Nintendo Switch Hardware Through Its Paces
Hoping so bad Nintendo doesn't drop the ball. They really need to keep the games coming this time.
Re: Nintendo Switch Parental Controls to Utilise Smartphone App, Shown Off With Awesome Bowser Advert
I'm surprised this is being posted just now. This was revealed like 10 hours ago at least
Re: Guide: Where To Pre-Order The Nintendo Switch, Games And Accessories
@Grez dunno if ur joking but no perks listed for preordering on Amazon atm. U get 20% off preordering games though if u have Amazon Prime.
Re: Guide: Where To Pre-Order The Nintendo Switch, Games And Accessories
In case anyone from the US hasn't seen yet, the grey Nintendo Switch is up for perorder on Amazon US now.
I secured a preorder at Best Buy for the colored one, but I might preorder one at Gamestop instead if they list the colored.
Re: Sources Outline GameStop Trade-In Deals and Pre-Order Details for the Nintendo Switch
I traded in my crystal blue Dreamcast at Gamestop back in the day... have regretted it ever since. I'd be an even bigger idiot if I ever considered doing that again with any other system.
Re: Amazon UK Confirms Time for Nintendo Switch Pre-Orders
I'm surprised this statement is exclusively for UK. Why not throw Amazon NA in while they're at it >.>
Re: Nintendo NY Store Confirms A 'Limited Quantity of Pre-Orders' for Nintendo Switch on 13th January
Gonna treat preordering a Switch like it's gonna be sold out within an hour (if not sooner). The moment the presentation starts I'm gonna be simultaneously glued to Amazon.
MUST. PREORDER. SWITCH. o.o
Re: Nikkei Reports a Nintendo Switch Price of 25,000 Yen, Prompting $250 Speculation
@Incarta This. I'm hoping for a price tag of at least $300 US.
Re: Video: Get a Good Look at Dragon Quest XI on 3DS
@AshFoxX it was said in Weekly Jump back in 2015 that the games will have the traditional turn-based battle system. I don't believe they've shown it in action yet though.
Re: Video: Get a Good Look at Dragon Quest XI on 3DS
@ECMIM ...guess it'd help if I wasn't blind o.o
Re: Video: Get a Good Look at Dragon Quest XI on 3DS
Just wanna see some footage of the console version already
Re: GAME In-Store Advertising Indicates March 2017 Release For Zelda: Breath Of The Wild
@Fazermint Exactly. People kinda forget too that BotW was quite literally the only game shown at e3. Nintendo isn't gonna have their most highly hyped and anticipated title for the past year miss the Switch's launch. People soak up rumors like sponges.
Re: Rumour: Nintendo Switch Release Date and Key Games Outlined
There's no way this is true. The Wii U has been dead since the release of Paper Mario: Color Splash Almost nothing has been released for the Wii U since Star Fox Zero. Is it to be believed that after the financial disaster that has been the Wii U the only new worthwhile game they have to show for the Switch's launch is a 3D Mario title? Especially after having Zelda as the entire focal point of this last E3? I don't think so.
Re: Nintendo Switch Will Be a Single-Screen Experience
Having a second screen was at times nice (Zelda, Xenoblade X), but instances in which it was used well were very few and far between.
One less distraction for software developers is the way I see it.
Re: Nintendo Won't Be Making Any Game or Spec Related Switch Announcements Until 2017
@DiscoGentleman If a date for new info isn't given before January, u can be sure the freaking out will start New Year's Day
Re: Nintendo Won't Be Making Any Game or Spec Related Switch Announcements Until 2017
@Piersen I believe you mean two thousand schfifty five
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XccUMOQ978
Re: Unreal Engine 4 Will Be Supported on Nintendo Switch
I keep thinking of the Domino's logo when i see the Switch logo...
Anywho, It's good to keep seeing more reassuring news about this thing. It's been hard to have some solid faith in Nintendo before today.
Re: Nintendo Declines to Comment On Touchscreen Enquiry but Confirms Switch Dock and amiibo Features
Anyone else a little concerned about the low frame rates seen during gameplay of BOTW on the tablet? Really hope they have this ironed out by release.
Re: Nintendo Declines to Comment On Touchscreen Enquiry but Confirms Switch Dock and amiibo Features
@InternetBowser They fused their console and portable divisions to focus all efforts on one system. Very unlikely that the 3DS will have a direct successor.
Re: Say Hello to the Nintendo Switch, a New Concept for Gaming
At the moment my biggest question is if the dock is just a chunk of plastic with a power supply and HDMI or if there's also a processing unit in it that adds to what the tablet has.
Re: Preview Trailer of the Nintendo NX Confirmed for 20th October
Isn't it redundant to say "preview trailer"?