We've already seen with parental controls on the Nintendo Switch that the company is keen to utilise apps to link into the new system. In some respects that's a smart move, making it easy and flexible to adjust settings like that without needing to access the console; after all, we always have our smartphones on us.
What's intriguing, when you read the official information for the 'Online Service' details, is how an app will feature in that - whether that's a good thing or not is down to opinion.
As made clear in the main presentation, from the Fall season playing games online will require a subscription, following the lead set by PlayStation and Microsoft with their home consoles. It will be free for early adopters with a Nintendo Account, however, until Autumn / Fall.
Meanwhile a 'free, limited' version of the app for online messages and chat will launch in the Summer, which looks like it's planned to tie in with Splatoon 2, as a logical conclusion. There's some key wording (on the site and in some interview comments) that suggests voice chat will be exclusive to the app:
Our new dedicated smart device app will connect to Nintendo Switch and let you invite friends to play online, set play appointments, and chat with friends during online matches in compatible games─all from your smart device.
Whether third-parties will be able to produce conventional headsets that run out of the Switch itself is something else. It's seems feasible, based on Nintendo's remarks on that page and elsewhere about voice chat through the app, that it could be a way for it to retain control, determining which games have compatibility.
Another key area to pick up on relates to the 'free' monthly game. For those thinking this would be like PlayStation Plus or Xbox Games With Gold, there may be some disappointment. Each month you get a NES or SNES game to play, and then it disappears to be replaced the next month. It's been confirmed that you don't get to keep the game, but merely have an option to buy it.
Subscribers will get to download and play a Nintendo Entertainment System™ (NES) or Super Nintendo Entertainment System™ (Super NES) game (with newly-added online play) for free for a month.
Beyond that, discount offers will be available to those subscribed to the service.
There are some positives here, but certainly also some steps back. The retro game trial will likely be underwhelming to long term fans, while the arrival of voice chat is a positive as long as the app in question works well, and as long as it's used frequently. After all Wii U and 3DS support voice chat, but you could count the games that support the feature on one hand.
The key thing will be the price, of course. In the UK Xbox Live Gold is £5.99 per month or £39.99 for a full year, PlayStation Plus is the same.
What do you think of the early details around the Nintendo Switch Online Service?
This is disgraceful, the retro loan is a joke.
Ill give it a shot why not. Seems like a better way to organise things away from the system. Looking at the p. Bad playstation app now and uuuggghhh.
Honestly though, its no biggy bout free games. We got MyNintendo integration to go over too
I don't see it actually saying voice chat, just chat. Could be like twitch?
This all seems very weird and very unwieldy. To have a key feature of online play separated from the system? So now I have to carry two things and keep the second one charged as well. Hm.... not clear on the thinking on this.
As for the retro loan - do we get to pick any game we want? Then a month long rental is kinda cool rather than buying games I'll play once.
So they ask a monthly fee for renting one (s)nes game (woooooowwww!) and being able to play Splatoon 2 pvp....
And still no words about eshop linked to user account...
Should be something like five games a month, coupled with a Virtual Console featuring a broad array of games at lower prices.
Depends on the price. If it's 2.99 per month. That seems reasonable. At least to me
Wait, is the online sub available at launch? I assumed they weren't going to be taking ANY money for it until the fall....
And is it really that hard to include a headset jack? Granted, I only use voice chat with friends, but if it requires a mobile device.....
If it's reasonably priced ($40?) I don't think this is a bad deal.
If it's very cheap, £1 a month say, fair enough. I shop around and have never paid more than £2.60 a month for PSN or XBL. If it's same price it's a sick joke and another example of stingy Nintendo price gouging that will put off consumers.
It also seems like a missed opportunity. A PS Plus-style option utilising that amazing back catalogue could have been great.
I've been wanting something like this for a while. I just hope it's well executed. It's kinda weird that we have to talk through our phones to chat online though...that's basically like using Skype instead.
So instead of free games, I get to play NES and SNES games for a month and then gotta buy them? Honestly, this is very disappointing to me.
...So I can still go on the eShop and buy whatever games I want?...Because I thought I had to have a subscription to do that, or something. >.>
Of course Nintendo had to make online gaming a paid service, I hope all those trolls complaining about Nintendo being stuck in the past are happy now.
Makes me wonder if there is any benefit to keeping an active subscription vs paying when you plan on playing. (Cheapskate here. )
Nintendos time honored tradition of not getting online continues.
On the plus, most people never hook up their consoles online, by adding a paywall they no longer have to provide services for those people lowering costs and enabling the Wii u services to stay up forever. Right??
Wait... There is no headphone jack in the Switch?????????
Still hugely disappointed by the subscription idea, but the bit that jumps out for me is "play a NES or Super NES game with newly-added online play". So while we will probably have to buy VC games all over again, this time they're adding online play to them.
Their reasoning for the app is baffling. Anyone could use Skype or just call someone if they wanted to voice chat.
You should also be allowed to keep the NES/SNES games.
This is completely bonkers. Why is the retro game only available for a month?
@KirbyTheVampire only reason the app has any meaning is if the game audio will be streamed from Switch to your smartphone while the latter will provide the hotspot...
Still i don t get why has to be so complicated...
I'll only do it if I can pay with eShop funds and it's cheap. I'm not connecting a credit card to something when every month I read "Xbox and PSN hacked again. Credit Cards leaked".
I have to say this is really, REALLY bad. If you need to use the phone - why in gods name don't I just ring them, or text whoever I want to play with?
If this is not integrated into the system, then I am very, very unimpressed.
On that note, though, there's these Zelda earphones, that I THINK had a microphone on, on the Switch accessories page on GAME.co.uk... made me think MAYBE we can do it on the system. I really hope so.
About the time limited NES game... people are going to laugh about this. This isn't going to be good, and will put people off the subscription if anything. This is reallllly bad. So disappointed by all this.
Will we have to pay for the Wii U and 3DS too?
@2CUTE4YOU Nope. They said this new online stuff won't happen with the 3DS or Wii U.
Nintendo better just reasonably price this service at this point.
If it's smartphone centered, maybe we will be able to play over LTE/4G connections ? That would allow for total portable online gameplay. Maybe even make deals with compagnies for free data à la Pokemon Go unlimited data plan !!
But I won't be surprise if in less than 1 year they are gonna close WiiU and 3ds servers
Not really cool for me. Free trial games are a joke imho. Nintendo tries to milk its fanbase in whatever way they can.
Free online play would have been some sort of a killer app.
Wonder what will come next? They havent really gotten into this whole microtransactions thing yet, have they? Supply packs with possible rare guns for splatoon could be awesome.
If the price is the same than what it's for PS+ and Microsoft's service, I will not be subscribing to this one.
Also, why tie the voice chat to a smart device app? Will it be available for us without a newer smart device? Also, will I be able to get the game sounds through the app as well? I'd rather not wear two sets of headphones/headsets at the same time...
I rarely ever play online- and with the introduction of local multiplayer by connecting multiple Switch (not sure if the plural is Switches?) together for games like Splatoon, it really makes it pointless for me to pay.
You know, first off, I'm about 100% certain you will be able to use a headset and join lobbies from the Switch. This is a companion app. Now with that out the way, to me this is a brilliant idea. Most everyone has a phone now, and of course playing online you will be by a wireless router. With a phone, you instantly have a headset that you can use for online play without the need to go out and by one. So for those that don't have the money or are to cheap to buy a headset for the Switch, no problem, you already have a headset with your phone. The app itself I'm about certain would work like the Facebook Messenger. You can contact people in your friend list to call, may be able to join in on voice conversations (group chats), and text through the app. As I said though, I'm certain you will be able to do so on the Switch itself as well. It is a great idea to me. Having said all that, the BIGGEST news no one is talking about (and it is blatantly stated in that feature list), VC games will have online play now!!!! That's a megaton for me at least.
This feels like a massive step back for nintendo
$5 a month to play Mario Kart online, I don't even wanna try Splatoon anymore. They better keep 3DS around because I ain't paying this to play Monster Hunter and Pokemon. You get one rented virtual console game a month what did people expect from a company with a reward plan like my Nintendo. Looks like Switch will be an offline console for me.
Some positives? There's nothing positive here in comparison to the competition. Unless the service is like $10 a year.
Value, Nintendo. VALUE. You seem to be foreign to this word.
So lame on all fronts, it just seems to be such a half-baked throwaway idea someone completely out of touch threw out.
People are upset now, but just wait until those Wii U servers get shut down with little to no warning. Not exactly "fan service" guys.
Is all this DeNA's doing?
@arnoldlayne83 Headphone jack is confirmed for the Switch luckily so you don't have to worry :+).
Hopefully it means as well that there will be a option to have voice chat directly from the Switch as well if you have a headphone and mic at the same time kind of headset.
Nintendo's trying to copy Sony and Microsoft in all the wrong ways. DRM in Super Mario Run, and now paid online.
If you don't have all the NES, SNES, OR N64 games by now on the eye 3DS or WII U, then that's on you. I don't plan on buying ANY OF those games AGAIN. Nintendo should reward those who have those games already but have no system in place, so they gets no $$$ from me on that front.
Is the idea of going through the app to do with online play on the go? The idea being that the Switch would use the phone's connection where no WiFi is available.
Or am I just reaching?
Online play for NES/SNES games? What could that mean?
Hope this program bombs and also very glad to read the comments about this is negative.Tell Nintendo we don't want this garbage
I'm not sure which is more baffling, the needing an app on a smart device for chat (when there are plenty of free options available if you're using an external device/program), or getting 1 NES or SNES game to play for no longer than a month.
Xbox Gold/PS+ at least let you keep the games while subscribed, and as it stands we'll probably have to buy Virtual Console titles again for what, a third time now? And if the exclusive discounts are anything like the My Nintendo discounts then I think you could probably just save money by not paying for Online.
Also, would Splatoon have been as popular as it was if it was locked off from online play by a paid online service?
Expensive console, expensive games, paid online...
Since we don't get to keep the games, they could "give" 10+ games from different consoles each month instead of one. As for using smartphone for online services, I think it's a really smart idea; voice chat and other features will use the smartphone processing power instead of the Switch's.
You make Scrooge Mcduck proud, Nintendo.
@Adroitone It would be a good idea if the app was free. No way I'd ever pay money for this, especially since you can use Skype or call someone to voice chat anyway.
Also, I think you're misreading what it said about the online play. It's talking about the free SNES/NES games you get for a month as a perk for subscribing having online play, not the Virtual Console games. I don't think we've actually heard a single word from Nintendo about the Virtual Console yet.
My the ignorance shown here is astounding.
Switch has a headset jack and there have even been ads for Switch headsets
You can still keep the games as long as you pay for them by the end of the trial period. Most NES games can be easily be beaten in a day or a month anyway so I don't really much of a problem here
I am also fairly certain you will still be able to buy VC games normally considering NEO GEO support has already been confirmed
Even without the subscription you can still access the eShop and share screenshots.
Also having a subscription based service can only mean good things if it results in improved online experience.
Also with PS+ you don't get to keep the games if you cancel your subscription. They aren't really free anyway
Why is it such a problem when Nintendo does something that the others have been doing for years
I did spend some time playing online multiplayer games on the WiiU. Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Brothers were fun, but the PC also has a lot of fun online multiplayer games too.
I will still be getting the Switch, but I refuse to play for online multiplayer. I am unhappy the recent announcement.
Nintendo became too greedy. I wonder if anyone will buy the switch when Last of us 2 and FF7 remake comes out for the ps4....
Being able to play a NES or preferably an SNES game each month sounds pretty cool to me, except with the way I already buy a decent amount of VC games, I'm afraid it'll all be stuff I've already played 100 times. What's that online play for SNES thing though? Does thay mean online play added for Super Mario Kart and such? Just seems hard to beleive. Again, cool idea I think, but as long as they don't want to charge us too much
@gaga64 that is the most interesting thing for me about this story. Contra 3 with online coop would be really cool
@KirbyTheVampire Having to pay for the app is a good point only if you have to pay after you subscribe. I'm sure the app will be available for free after you subscribe to the service. If you subscribe and still have to pay for the app, then that'll confirm that the same features that are in the app will be in the Switch itself. As for the VC, they have in parenthesis "newly added online play" right after they mention NES and SNES games. They are definitely talking about the games since it would be redundant to mention needing to subscribe and add online play in a section that talks about what you will be getting when you subscribe.
@Wolfgabe You shouldn't have to pay, though. It's not that way on PS+. Sure, if you cancelled your subscription you'd lose the games, but on Nintendo's subscription, you lose them even if you didn't unsubscribe. Plus, PS+ doesn't make you pay to keep them.
@speedracer216 that's a good question. I assume it was like a game of if the month club, but now you got me thinking otherwise
I think the use of smart device to tie it all together could work for solving the issue of protecting kids while allowing adults.
Wow this is just bad
@Adroitone I know you can play the games online, but it's the games you get for subscribing, not games on the Virtual Console. Those are two completely different things, unless I'm just blind and am not seeing the Virtual Console part.
Good luck with this one, Nintendo. I'll see you in a year.
I would prefer online gaming to be free, but at least it puts the pressure on Nintendo to make online gaming good: if not, people will not keep paying.
I left a comment in the forum earlier about this.
"Thinking about the NES/SNES games we'll get to pick from each month.If they're adding online modes to them,or at least with SNES they are,maybe even remastering them with widescreen ala Mario Maker,that will obviously take time and money.By limiting the selection to 2 games each month,every subscriber will own either of those games for the month,so there will be a huge number of players online.They can run competitions and mini tournaments for them throughout the month.That would be pretty exciting.One month,Super Mario Kart,next month NBA Jam,NHL 94,Micro Machines,Mortal Kombat,Speedball 2 and so on.Then at the end of the month,the game is moved to the Eshop for purchase with online modes intact but sold for 2 or 3 pound more than they normally sell VC for.It's a good way of refreshing VC and introducing old games to new audiences.Maybbe once they've played it for a month online they might be convinced to purchase it at the end of the month.
If they're going to improve their VC and not just dump the old ROM's on there,I will happily re--buy many old titles.I'd love to play through SMB 3 again with Mario Makers graphics."
If your charging then you need good servers and games that support voice chat! As for free 30trials of Nes and snes is a joke but I can't stand most Nes and snes games so this one I care not for.
Voice chat monster hunter
Voice chat splatoon
And I'll give you £5 a month
@cmk8 Concise and correct.
Yeah if I'm going to be paying for online down the road then I want system wide voice chat that isn't connected to certain games. C'mon Nintendo. And if they're worried about the kiddies then I would be totally fine with friends only.
Still buying a Switch for Zelda but this is pretty terrible, unless it's very cheap (which it won't be). This will probably backfire and hurt sales of Splatoon as it'll be the only game worth playing online and that won't be enough
@Wolfgabe Actually you get to keep the games from Games for Gold. Xbox subscription gets you 4 free games a month to keep forever and PlayStation gives several away every month compared to Nintendo's now 1.
People have argued for years online play should be free like PC since Xbox. The reason I feel most upset is Nintendo has only a handful of online playable games and PS and Xbox have 100s yet they expect the same price that with mediocre "free" game.
This is what happens when you wiat until 49 days before launch to talk about your new hardware, games, and systems, too much info which isn't adequately explained. Nintendo should have started covering this last E3, or at least in the fall. Now everybody is scrambling trying to figure out what's what to get in a pre-order for a system that launches in only 48 days and has only about 5 games listed for aunch.
Guess it's a good thing they didn't launch before the holiday, might have had only 2 games, Skylanders and Just Dance.
It really bugs me that we can't have freel online play. Like without the extra features. We can connect to wifi, and play online. If we want the extra features we can buy them. BuT at least we get eshop and friends list.
@Gunit1099 you can already do this with the 3ds
I'm glad Nintendo are charging for this service - It means they can finance superb servers and keep services at a premium - this is good for gamers!
@Sinton This gives them the finance to make services good and also to make better games - Development is easier t o put forward if there is better profit and/or costs are covered.
@arnoldlayne83 yes there is and it has mic option see spec below
-2 USB 2.0 on outside of dock and 1 USB 3.0 on the inside (where HDMI hook-ups are)
-full charge of system takes 3 hours
-joycon battery lasts 30 hours on a charge
-pro controller lasts 50 hours on a charge
-headphone jack supports microphone
As long as I don't suffer from lag, can communicate with friends easily online, and don't need more than 1 subscription per system, I couldn't care less about paying for online. Though I wish Nintendo (and Sony and Microsoft for that matter) offered a compromise of allowing people to play with people on their friends list online for free and make the subscription only for playing with strangers. I'll probably wait to get online until there's games I want to play that use it
lmao can't wait to savor the 30 day balloon fight rental nintendo gives us
@2CUTE4YOU no Wii u and 3ds are not affected by this but I imagine the online servers will get switched off around fall 2017
I'm all right about this. Why not.
Splatoon will probably release at the beginning of June(just like the first one) at which time the online will still be free. The paid stuff doesn't start til Fall so I don't think this will affect the game at all.
@Kidakairis MS has been requiring people to pay for online ever since the original Xbox. Subscription fees are likely for server maintenence among other things. Running online servers certainly isn't cheap and they need to recoup their costs somehow. Steam probably doesn't have a subscription because Valve probably makes enough money from sales already.
Also if you really think PS+ is much better go on their monthly blog updates and just look at the comments
Since they're charging for online, then they will need to start providing an online service that's good enough to pay for, without too much disconnects and lag.
As for Voice Chat, it seems ridiculous that it can only be done with a smartphone. Having a phone out to chat while I'm busy holding a Switch controller just makes it unnecessarily complex.
A subscription that leads to a better online experience for players? Awesome.
Their policy for the free game? For me, no. Just no.
The only real positive that I see with a paid subscription is better servers, which, in turn, lead to a better online experience.
I accepted their decision to have a paid service. I'm not cheering from the rafters but rather silently nodding in understanding. I have seen quite a few let's plays, here's hoping that Nintendo get's around to changing that policy soon, and the lag has been horrible. A subscription fee that leads to better servers is a good thing, but it's the "free" game that bothers me.
Their plan for a S/NES game just feels wrong. It feels insulting. The idea of being loaned a game for a single month, even assuming it's a game I would want to play in the first place, and then losing it makes no sense. At least, it doesn't to me.
Keep in mind that these games are roughly twenty-five years old. Even multiplayer games have more modern versions available. I can't see anyone wanting to play an SNES game online for any reason outside of novelty.
Hopefully, they will clear this up soon but we're less than six weeks from launch. That's not a lot of time.
I hope to remain optimistic about this whole situation. Nothing is set in stone, though Nintendo is rather legendary for their stubbornness, and they can change it during the free trial that everyone is getting before the Fall deadline.
Really I find it utterly ridiculous that people are just pooping on this service when there are still a lot of details we still don't know such as how much it will cost and what else is there especially considering a lot of features won't go live till fall
lol are you a bad troll? Oh yes..those two games will drive away Switch buyers.
But online behind paywall? What...? Nintendo just no.
I don't care for voice chat and I do not understand why it has to be app.
Ugh, paying for online multiplayer Is probably going to hurt them.
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe will be pretty good regardless, but Splatoon 2 users will need to subscribe if they want to keep playing the meat of the game.
@capitalism Yeah no problem at all because Splatoon 2 will only be relevant for a few months /sarcasm. Their online plan + the lack of launch titles + the mere existence of 1, 2 Switch really worries me about the Switch's future.
@Finntendo not trolling, just take a look what you get for your subscription a 30 year old game for 1 month LOL jut LOL....
I'm not sure if "renting" the games is a bad thing, if anything the Nintendo service will be easier to interrupt.
On PsPlus and XboxGold you keep the games, but the more you build up your free library the more interrupting the service can sound fearsome as all the titles you got in this way will be unusable after the unsubscription.
Still my main problem remain with the basic multiplayer online being part of the paid service, for people like me that play 90-95% offline it's hard to consider acceptable this pay2play service, but I also loved that 5-10% of time I used to spend online >.<
Expecting the service to be priced similar to the competition I kinda hope that nintendo will offer a much cheaper option that only include the online multiplayer without all the other trinkets.
I would definitely consider to pay few euros each year for play online, but an high price for a service and bonuses I would barely use? No thanks >_>;;;
I'm pretty lukewarm to this, but I suspect it's not for me anyway. I like Nintendo's products, but not enough to commit money beyond purchasing the games themselves (but that's usually my policy on any entertainment media--I like my one-time purchases, and am not really into subscribing to stuff I might not care about in a month).
For an offering like that it better not be more than twenty bucks, as there is no way I will shell out sixty bucks for two different online services and if it comes to that I will just stick to the Xbox for my online gaming needs. I mainly play Nintendo's single player offerings anyways.
the big thing is price per month, then 3 months or 1 year if its worse than ms and sony it wil fail, which is a good thing, if they skip on penny s for a dollars, the deals would have to be like atleast 10% off , maybe up to 50% of a few games on your list if it like 60 dollars a year
lucky for me online games i expect are maybe fire emblem warriors and main one, smash bros without a doubt for the ones i will get sooner or later will not really need switch for maybe 10 months if im generous. only xenoblade 2 might come out this year, not sure on fire emblem warriors. i'll be playing new zelda on my wii u, so i don't have to worry about dust after i beat zelda on switch if i would have gotten it. Only e3 can change my mind sooner than black friday. i got burned on wii u early on, maybe its time for nintendo to got of its high horse, ps might get zelda for cheap on switch sometime,
if its cheaper and easier for online, i would expect online multiplayer games to be able to be done in real time, real player in turn based ones, id better look better for $60, if its about $60 a year
launch is bad for me, only have 2 of them this year for certain Zelda and xenoblade 2
reggie coughed metroid announcement in about year so i really can wait around, i'll keep tabs open news
they'll change this policy once splatoon 2's online becomes completely dead the moment they launch this
they are banking on zelda til splatoon 2, if anyone buying it for online and does not know about fall change id feel sorry for them
i rember wii u lineup was atleast time wise better, but not too much worth the trouble.
Well, I suppose a monthly game is a nice bonus. That said, I'm not willing to pay more than 5€/month.
Hmm, does seem a bit weird that the nes/snes game with it is only a rental.
Hopefully that means the service is really cheap, otherwise it is just a bit of a low blow.
@cmk8 spot on!
as i were reading the article one word crept into my mind.....disgraceful.
If it wasn't for the online play i would probably pass on this but we get the free trial too check it all out, the NES/SNES game for a month don't sound worth it even with online modes for these classic games.
Not going to read every single comment, so if anyone already answered this I apologize for asking again. But what I'm most curious about is if we will be able to choose what SNES/NES game we will get to "borrow" for the month? And of course how much will it cost to keep them. I can just play NES/SNES games on my 3DS or through emulation on PC (which is free, but not very morale thing to do). I don't want to pay for a NES/SNES game when I will be already paying a subscription and as we know Nintendo, the game sure won't be as cheap as we would hope... I would pay for those NES/SNES games only if they would be emulated very well and way better than on previous Nintendo's consoles/handhelds, hopefully with updated graphics and sound. And with good pricing of course. Seems very unlikely though.
So this news is a disappointmet in a way for me, but I will definitely stay hooked for any updates and (hopefully better) news.
I might cancel my preorder. This seems bad.
I don't mind paying for online services but it has to be a big improvement over what they have at the moment and also priced righ.
This seems a bit more like EA Access rather than Xbox Live. Somewhere in the region of £15-£20 a year would be good price. But after the price of all the other Switch stuff it'll probably be £30-£40, but I hope not.
Will be interesting to see if you rent any NES/SNES game, whether it's a selection of say 10 games and you pick one or Nintendo just pick one game from NES/SNES library and you rent that.
Hopefully the first option and not the last.
Also would this eventually get expanded to all VC games? that would be good.
Time will tell, but hopefully Nintendo don't muck it up.....You can never be too sure when it comes to them though.
"You can still keep the games as long as you pay for them by the end of the trial period"
Wow. How generous. (Note : sarcasm).
"NEO GEO support has already been confirmed"
"Also with PS+ you don't get to keep the games if you cancel your subscription. They aren't really free anyway
Why is it such a problem when Nintendo does something that the others have been doing for years"
Xbox and PlayStation give you several games each month. Xbox let you keep some permanently. With both services you get to keep all games as long as you subscribe and even get them back if your subscription lapses and you resubscribe.
Nintendo are giving you one game a month that you lose after that month. It's woeful in comparison. The problem is that Nintendo are vaguely doing what the others have done for years but (unless Nintendo are much cheaper) significantly, bafflingly worse.
So it hot spot through our cell phones? What if your cellular provider doesn't offer unlimited data?
More bad news.
At least we know what the reviews will say.
" Weaker in the online department" while ignoring the coming changes. Then, the comments fill up with "explanations".
Good controlled clickbait Nintendo.
I am with most people, without the price the service will be at, I cant say wether it is good ir bad. I dont mind paying for online but we shouldn't pay the same price as PSplus or Gold if Nintendo is offering less.
I am not pleased about having to pay a subscription. I'll reserve judgement until this is officially rolled out.
What I would like is to keep the Wii U level of online play for free, then if you want all the bells and whistles, pay a subscription.
At the moment we don't know how much it is, what's the point throwing toys out the pram?
Really besides the free online retro game trials, nothing has been said as far as the virtual console is concerned. I'd give them a pass as far as the transition from Wii to WiiU/3ds but this time around hopefully it'll be like sonys system (all my ps classics and other games were on my ps account so when I got the vita I just redownloaded for free). Online doesn't really sell me anyway considering the lousy Internet options I have.
I once imagined a Nintendo online service that made a wide variety of virtual console games free as long as you were a subscriber, similar to what Amazon does with prime video and music (think of online play as the free shipping the service provides). I think having access to the virtual console library alone would have been a subscription and console seller; looking at the success of the NES classic. We will just have to wait and see how it goes.
The big issue for me is how many on-line games will there ever be. I been Nintendo owner since SNES and after N64 they have talked a great game regarding the volume of releases and winning back 3rd party support, but repeatedly failed to deliver. If this is pay to play the 1 current on line offering it is a joke. Have been there day 1 on hardware releases since N64, am sitting this one out until the switch proves itself.
Personally I have never owned a PlayStation but my friend said he loved PS+ back in the PS3 era. Also Steam doesn't pay servers it depends on the game. Servers vary in price it just depends on the game.
Also as stated before Xbox and Playstation both offer 100s of games on there servers for there platform for $5 a month and yet Nintendo wants the same $5 a month for a handful of games to play online. Also everyone is entitled to there own opinion I am just stating the reasoning for my own.
An online app for lobbies,chatting, etc. I can see this is meant to remove the trolls, ToS abusers, and so on by identifying them individually using the app. The app gathers your serial# or something else hard-coded off your phone so you can't spoof it, or go on creating multiple accounts. As for the S/NES games, I am in a wait and see pattern.
No need to swear at me. I did not see point why one game and one remake of (awesome) 20-yr-old game would stop people buying Switch? Maybe if those games would be multiplatform. So far Ninty has sold for its own games + 3rd party. Now 3rd party is coming back to Ninty so...
I own gaming PC, Nintyconsoles and PSs... doesn't stop me buying Switch. Making same console with same games three times would be stupid now wouldn't it?
Paid online was a mistake. A subscription model with REAL advantages would be nice, not this insulting "free to try for a month".
Chat I don't care about, but VC games are a nice bonus - underwhelming in the rental term aspect when compared to Plus (maybe an extra discount concluding every such "trial" instead?) but intriguing in terms of upgrading VC to online multiplayer as well. I'm more disappointed by no mention of cloud saving as another (and IMHO most welcome) analogue of Sony's service. Maybe later? Or more flexible external backup process? It matters to me because despite me preferring to buy digital, easy save backup would significantly tone down the necessity of a spacious SDXC card above the 32 Gb on board. Especially as BotW itself - a big open world game - is reported to need just 13 Gb digitally.
Paid multiplayer is no issue to me as long as its price is closer to PS Plus than PS Now. XD It was free for a while as consoles got used to it (the feature is what, some 15 years old here?), but install bases are bigger these days and it sets ky eyes into a rolling motion to read people complaining about Nintendo's multiplayer (can't relate much yet - I haven't played much either, but MK7 and SMB matches have run smoothly for me so far) yet questioning the price. Did you think the money could go to actually improving the experience? Or do we want quality for fre- oh wait, indeed, who doesn't. X^)
@Galactus_33 talk about an avatar/comment combo. XD
So if I'm at home, I need to use my phone to chat? If so that's BS. There's zero chance of me buying a port for Switch when chat is so easy on PS4 etc. Nintendo needed to win consumers back and the game lineup and system won't do that. If you don't care about portability, you will have the same experience as WiiU.
I don't care about paying for online as long as it's a good service.
So you can't set up chats from the system itself? You need a smart device in order to invite friends to games? I'm a little confused.
To clarify, does this mean that the system will not launch with chat or messaging? Good grief!
I think a further issue is how few games will actually utilise online multiplayer - games that hardcore fans already have on their Wii U and can play online there for free!
The thing is, I don't wanna have to pull out my tablet for multiplayer, and I don't want to be spit on the face with rental NES games, but as long as it's cheap and the online is good, it will be alright I guess. Still will be using chat systems like discord to talk with friends though.
@arnoldlayne83 It does have headphone jack.
You can see it on the diagram on this page:
Don't have enough info to form a solid opinion as always.
We don't even have price yet!
For paying online though...sucks but if it means a lagless online, more friends, with the voice chat on nintendo games finally. Then bring it.
Eh, need info before I decide whether to dig into my pockets to pay for the online service.
I dont really see a need for a free game program, but the one explained here definitely sucks.
All I want is for most of my digital library to transfer over to the NS and a year sub of $30 or less for online play + voice chat.
Online chat will NEVER be like XBox or PS, not with all that swearing. This way, at least the parent has some control over it though the app and you can probably do what you want. Really, it's just something else to plug your headset, a phone which can sit on your lap or on your coffee table, etc.
The invite system could work too, I mean your friend is more likely to see the message on his/her phone then hoping he/she will log onto their console and see it.
The VC rental is a shame, but really you could beat most NES/SNES titles in a month anyway. You're getting the whole game for a month, so if you beat it within the time limit, great. If its not your cup of tea, play something else. The online SNES games sounds great not only for the dream of online Super Mario Kart and such, but the fact Nintendo's putting the time to add the feature. So maybe the days of half ass porting will be over and they could even put the time into translations for the likes of Mother 3, the NES/SNES Fire Emblems, etc. And heck, if the voice chat is though the phone, it could mean VC game voice chat would be super easy. VC Leaderboards could be neat as well. Imagine beating Super Mario World or LTTP and you can compare your completion time with your friends right away? Yeah there'll be cheaters, but the friend part would be a neat way to push yourself to trying to beat him/her.
But yeah, still hoping for a discount for VC games we already purchased as well. Reggie was asked about it and said they were very aware about the concern from gamers but they will announce details later, so its sounding hopeful at least.
@Syrek24 Always you. Every damn time. Choosing the company who can give a damn about you over your fellow consumer. Why?
It's going to have to be cheaper than PS+ and XBox Gold with that offering.
I'll be paying for it once Splatoon 2 is out and the trials runs out. But whether or not I keep it depends on if they get the games and if it's cheap enough. I don't give a hoot about the VC titles, at this point I've bought and played all the ones I wanted too already (with the exception of Mother 3). I want new games now.
It if they can get the latest big shooters like Titanfall & Destiny, indie hits like Rocket League and that sort of thing. I might keep it going. And hopefully if it's as easy to port too as is rumoured they will.
The online chat is weird. I'm assuming they mean the app grants you access to it and allows you to organise groups etc whilst the chat itself goes through them console? I hope so at least.
@KirbyTheVampire The thing is, the games from the NES and SNES will have to be VC games right? The VC is confirmed to be coming back.
@Syrek24 you have a point in that we shouldn't expect Nintendo to compete with the other consoles. Nintendo is what it is. For me, Nintendo will have maybe a couple games a year to play, and the rest of my time will be spent playing the other systems. The last two years of Switch might have one game that's worth buying.
@Galactus_33 You will most likely be connected through wifi with your phone. As I said earlier though, I'm sure this is just a companion app.
I'm surprised by everyone critizicing this, when we don't even know the price. I don't like the idea of paid online, but it all depends on its price - maybe its the same as PS/Xbox, in which case I won't get it, or maybe its far cheaper than that.
And it isn't like they can improve the system down the road with feedback...
Ok, we do not know the price, fair enough, better to be cheap...
Moreover, for which and how many games we are going to pay this online fee? . Starting from fall, which game I can olay online??? At the moment we just know splatoon 2, mario kart and...????? Are they asking a subscription for 2 games??? What s the long term plan on multiplayer titles???
@Luna_110 more than price I would like to know the titles. At the moment I see nothing...cos on PS4/XB1 I have 100 titles to play online.
And I just skip the nes trial game, that's utterly ridicolous
I am COMPLETELY fine with only keeping an old game for a month. My Wii U is full of old games that I played only a few times and now regret buying.
Well, hopefully we will see how the Nintendo online service holds up in stability. I already experienced Sony and Microsoft's service, and needless to say both of those services are wack and unstable especially considering the whopping 59.99 price tag for a yearly subscription.
If Nintendo's online turns out (or continues in most cases) to be garbage then I'll just meet friends for local competition.
If I wanted to voice chat with friends through my smartphone I would just call them on speakerphone. Why would I pay Nintendo for that. Also, Reggie tried to play this off like it was more convenient while you are mobile than using a gaming headset. That's ludicrous, what are we going to do, sit in public with our smartphones on speakerphone or attach a headset to our phones. Either way, it is less convenient.
Everything about the Switch is expensive at the moment - or at Least over priced. The cynic in me believes the same of the online services. Like they're over estimating the value of what they're offering.
@Angelic_Lapras_King er have not heard of parental controls. My nephew can play my PS4 quite easily without hearing all the swearing. You do realise that you can mute chat or just have private chats with friends only.
Regarding paying for online. Least with Sony and MS I know each console has tons of online games to play.
With Nintendo you just don't know what you are gonna get.
They had better announce the pricing of the subscription service before Splatoon 2 releases, since whether or not it's a reasonable price will decide whether or not I get Splatoon (or any primarily online Switch game).
With how little the service actually does, I wouldn't be willing to pay more than about $35 a year for it.
Being loaned a game is completely ridiculous. I don't really mind if the price of the service is cheaper than that of Nintendo's competitors, but it better be as this service seems a bit void of benefits compared to the others.
@YeshaYahu5417 yikes, how is it?
I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't exceed 30-40 bucks. If it does then I will never complain about the games on PlayStation Plus or Xbox Live Gold ever again.
I don't want to have to use my phone or any other separate device to chat while gaming. That's totally stupid. I can already chat with my phone without an app; the Switch needs to be able to offer chat on its own.
Such a joke. I'm not switching.
Not surprised at all, its Nintendo, they do one inovative step forward and then 3 steps back in everything else. It's probably gonna cost more than other console online services aswell.
They are very similar companies after all, they both go against the grain. They both do things much more differently than their competitors. Very unique people working there. It's why I love them so much. My pic speaks for itself.
It has to be half the price of Xbox Live/PS+ max to even remotely be worth it.
If Nintendo show some restraint in the pricing of this service then I don't mind playing.
Not to mention an unbelievable $70 Pro Controller!!!! To heck with that..... and all of these highly inflated prices, for literally every element of this new system... and after peacemeal shovelware, holding back content and cancelling WiiU content for half of its short life (plus we all had a high buy-in price for it and never got the worth out of it), and this what they have to "win us over". And do I even need to mention their extreme mishandling of the NES Classic and the black friday bait and switch deals that no one could actually get?
Bah humbug, they are not even being, much less having some humility after we all lost out this past generation (Nintendo included).
Nice to see Nintendo fans so unified in these matters though, good article and topic.
This setup doesn't really bother me. I'll trade my PSPlus for it. You're renting those free games anyway on PSPlus, because if u cancel u can't play them. I don't care about free games. I just wanna play online. Hardly upsetting.
Ok first off, I'm not happy about this. I gave Sony crap when they blocked on line behind a pay wall and I'll give Nintendo crap too.
That said, I tolerate this from both other companies, and I'm not going to single Nintendo out here and give them more crap that I would Sony/MS.
Like it or not this is the industry standard now, and I knew this day was coming the moment people started complaining about their online. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You either get the free online that we had or you get paid online like this. People did moan and whine all generation long about Nintendo having horrible online so people have no one to blame but themselves. You asked for it, you got it.
In the end it all comes down to value. If they price it right, I don't think I'd have a problem with that. If they try to charge $60 like other companies, then I'll probably pass just as I stop to subbing from Sony/MS. The "free games" has never been an issue. You can't keep them on the other platforms so I refuse to even download them in the first place. So I was never going to download any "free games" here no matter how long they let you keep them. Well, I guess I take that back. I would love to play games like Killer Instinct and Fatal Fury online.
The Pro controller is about $10 more than it should be, but I'm not splitting hairs over 10 bucks. At least it packs way more technology than the $65 Xbox One controllers. Now, the $90 dock on the other hand... that's just ridiculous
i dont see online pay as a step back. actually its required for them to move forward and enhance the experience with constant updates and grow the platform. as long as it's less than both xbox live and psn prices.
im sure they will reconsider this or improve upon it, the vast majority of people seem to hate it. oh Nintendo, only a few days ago everyone was rooting for you, between this and your over priced accessories its hard to defend these sort of practices
We're in an era where production of data is essentially Zero. Maintaining a server today should cost LESS than it did when it was free for the past decade.
Unless they improve online compared to the Wii U or provide the same services as PSN or XBOX Live, which I'm not holding my breath about, then it's just Nintendo trying to make an extra buck.
I don't mind, as long as it's not overpriced. If we get Overwatch for Switch I'll stop playing the PS4 version anyways.
@Arngrim I think you've nailed. Nintendo seems to be overestimating the value of what they are offering with Switch. I fear that they are in for a rude awakening, and it'll be sad because they will probably offer the best games, but that does not justify the overpricing they are proposing.
I think I will pass on this online service unless it's very cheap (which being Nintendo, it will not be), it's not for me. After all I'm just a lifelong Nintendo fan with two young children - clearly not their target market it seems.
When you are out and about you can hopefully tether to your phone for non-local multiplayer
Virtual console needs to have a huge library. I've paid for some of these games across 3 virtual console services, not to mention buying them originally in the 90s. The wii was the only decent virtual console. Hopefully these games are subsidised by this new service.
Pay to play feature is only for multiplayer VC/online play. If the switch falls flat like the WiiU no one will pay for the service.
Amazing how they were able to basically undo almost all the joyous noise they made with the Switch during their broadcast....with this..and so quickly too. I'm kinda impressed how quick that took.
@speedracer216 Yeah I agree, having to tie your smartphone into gaming will be annoying to say the least. It better run the app on the switch itself too, but if it does why wouldnt thye mention that on the official website?
Nintendo, one of the biggest reasons why I don't have Xbox and I don't buy ps+(my 15year old does and he has a job to spend his own money) is if I did, then I would have spent like $2000 over the last 10+ years of gaming. That's a lot of games and systems I was able to buy, like the 300+ Nintendo Wii/u/3ds games I own. Gaming as a service is not the gaming I know and want to play. Thankfully Zelda and Mario are not online. And I will always have a Wii U hooked to our tv.
@msvt Oh how I love seeing people complain about prices in USD... Convert that to Australian dollars, add shipping and 10% GST and then come back and complain to me...
The pro controller is retailing for pre-order at $100 Australian... Given im already going to pay 470 for the console and $90 for Zelda BOTW... Guess how many pro controllers I'll be buying...
If I have to use my smart phone to chat, I won't bother. Why would I want to run down my battery and use minutes?
First of all with Nintendo pricing it will be around 50$-60 a year ... + how can you compare this to ps plus or MS gold service !!! They give you 4-6 games a month half of them AAA games the others are indies ... Nintendo will give us NES game !! One game per month and last for one month only !!! And we already played it 20 years ago and we all have it on VC that we already paid for on Wii U or 3DS and we might not even have the chance to transfer out purchas to switch !!While PS plus games last forever as long you pay every year ... and using App on phone for chatting ? Really ?its 2017
@Seacliff I don't think you ahve have your facts correct. More data is being produced than ever before in history. Data is insanely expensive, servers require constant cooling and updating and upgrading and massive arrays of redundant data storage that are always available. It is serious business to host servers and data banks and it costs governments and industry billions upon billions of dollars per year.
If it's a service that compares to the other two, then it should cost the same. No problem with that at all.
I think the most preposterous of all of the issues is that theres not been any mention of keeping the retro games we already own, most of them 3 times, hard copy on my shelf (NES, SNES, GBA, GBC, GB carts) wii, and wii u VC.
If Nintendo wanted to make a bang they would tie all of these games to my nintendo account and stop gouging for them year after year. They seem to be a retro game perpetual reseller and occasional zelda/mario production company these days.
Having said all of that, I think the switch has so much appeal that it will sell completely bonkers and every child in the universe will want one. Any of these online feature issues are miniscule at best.
@bolt05 I feel for you, big time!
A phone or other smart device for voice chat sounds like a waste of battery. And what happens when you get contacted through or want do something else with said device in the middle of a game?
I don't think they'll be shutting down Wii U online since the 3DS uses the same infrastructure and they'll keep it up for Pokemon.
You shouldn't have to pay a subscription just to loan one retro game a month. Honestly, there should be time-limited demos of every retro game.
And they could learn a thing or two from Sony. Make the service a complete package with different kinds of perks - free themes, games, you name it. In truth, people aren't annoyed at the prospect of paying to go online - it's what you get for your money that counts.
If and a big if it is a stable solid service and a reasonable price, that is all you pay for. I think Xbox and Sony go beyond what they need to do as they don't have to give games at all. Also stop saying free games Playstation games are yours for as long as you keep giving them money they are free if you get to keep them.
Yeah I'm a hardcore Nintendo fan but they still not learned the lesson and probably never will, this is the last console under the influence of Iwata and while he was a masterful programmer he was a disgrace to Nintendo as president.
Paid online is a huge turn off for me,I'll still get the Switch,but come on Nintendo....
Paying for a bloody app there online infrastructure is the same as last generation and probably the same as the Wii's , and 20 year old game's for "One Month" we wouldn't think we are in 2017. It's a cheap and nasty way to pump more money out of your customers, sod investing in our online infrastructure just make a app. Its going to be interesting to see how much Nintendo are going to charge, it just better not be £39.99 a year.
@Frank90 The console itself is great. It's the software we need to be concerned about overall. Luckily, there should be more software announcements in the coming weeks, and even more at E3.
Funny how people worried so much about the hardware and tossed around words like "Maxwell" and "Pascal" constantly before January 12th, and ignored everyone who said the software would ultimately define the system. At least they eventually figured out what was really important.
@banacheck It's a little early to judge the quality of the online service when we don't even known the price yet.
Apart from the "paid" portion of this, I think this is ideal for a few reasons:
1/ The console doesn't have a camera - which means NO video chat if it was through the console. And if it did - how would that work in the dock?
2/ The design of the console is looking like a single, dedicated process controls all (most?) of the console at once. So side-process needed for chat / video. This makes development easier, and less scope for "reserve 10% of CPU for this side process", etc.
3/ The console has NO networking ability outside of a Wifi point. Phones do, and can provide the Wifi access point if needed.
4/ How are people supposed to text chat on a Switch?? Unless you are using it in handheld mode, its impossible.
Face it, pretty much everyone has a smartphone these days - so its really smart for Nintendo to leverage this.
Lets see how much it costs, and what the actual benefits are ... but the $$$ argument comes around every time for a new console. Previous generation console is always better value for money ... until new games come out which are "must-buys".
@jimi You misunderstand. You don't need a smartphone to play online or with friends. You just need it for little things like messaging and voice chat. You could just use Skype or speaker phone instead of the app, though.
Does it make sense? Not really, especially if the app costs money. But you don't need an app to play online, lol. Consider reading a little more carefully next time.
So the Nintendo fans who will pay the monthly fee are the people who have bought the NES/SNES games up to 2 or 3 times before and getting shafted by only renting the games and given the option to buy them again? I'd be tempted to pay the fee if you could keep the game like Xbox as I barely play online. The only incentive for day one Switch is the best version of Zelda right now.
I'm in if you can pay with some nintendo point
NINTENDO SWITCH COMPANION APP
New for iOS and Android compatible devices
Control your Switch console from your phone!! This modular app lets you perform a plethora of settings and actions for your Switch.
It's coming people and you are going to be super disappointed. Let me explain.
No additional applications other than the eShop and basic settings will be available to run native on your Switch console.. I know I know please don't shoot the messenger.
There are multiple reasons. Less soft entry points for hacking. Waaay less updates to the console. See you later stability updates!! The phone app is where everything will happen because you phone is always on and using services Nintendo can leverage with the other mobile games they have tailored. As crazy as this sounds I guarantee you this is happening.. It's possible even streaming applications won't run native.. It's quite possible it will push the executable from the phone to the Switch.. You heard it here FIRST!
Paid online services mean better online. It means playable Smash online.
And several of you mention having no interest in chat. What games are you playing online where you don't feel like you need to communicate. Splatoon will be so much better when you can talk with your teammates.
Okay, I remember getting my Xbox roughly 13 years ago and getting an Xbox live cd. I was paying for online BACK THEN. Why is it when Nintendo finally takes a step forward and decides to compete with the competition, they are considered evil? As long as it is better than what it's like currently, I will be content.
@jimi Hey man, I didn't say I like what they're doing, I'm just telling you that you're blowing it way out of proportion and are getting some facts wrong, as you do with everything Switch related.
The subscription is pretty much for the online service of playing games online. No doubt everyone commenting here already owns the nes/snes games that have been released numerous times so no need to complain about a free game per month because you probably have it on your 3ds/wii u or wii. But if we get some gems never released on vc in the past then it is a bonus. If snes mario kart appears with online play then that is a bonus too. Just hope the price is reasonable. I've only ever played mk8 online.
@jimi You realize you don't need to buy a Switch, right? I don't like the PS Vita, but you don't see me on the Sony forums spewing hatred and listing everything wrong with it.
Try playing some Yoshi's Woolly World on your beloved Wii U. It might help calm your nerves.
Apparently there is no internet browser. That's disappointing because the Wii U's is very good for video viewing with its portability, TV support, and most importantly hardware buttons for controlling video. It's also one of the (if not THE) best console web browser.
The disappointment continues...
Really, I didn't want to write anything else besides all that I've written in the last 2 days. Still, when someone says that this is OK, I think that they have been drinking the Nintendo Kool-Aid for far too long.
1) It is not OK to pay more than 25 bucks a year for a subscription were you get to keep the game for just a month, specially NES and SNES games.
2) If we were to keep the game in question, I could see myself paying 60 dollars a year, like PS Plus, which is really mature (but still a mess to sort out).
3) We need real discounts on games, specially permanent price drops on Nintendo's games to really embrace it.
4) Lastly, I really hope for Nintendo to build a robust full console experience on the Switch: that we can purchase and download movies, games, songs (ask Apple for help). I will be happy to give some of the money that I spend in other type of entertainment to Nintendo, usually 40-60 bucks a month for renting movies and buying songs.
@Paddle1 exactly.. this reaffirms my post above.. seriously read it.. it might blow your mind and or get you VERY upset.. the reason is Nintendo no longer needs to "certify" all these applications.. in fact I honestly believe Nintendo might be coming up with some kind of miracast to use on your phone if you want to use streaming services.. so instead of using being able to run the app on the Switch you will need to run it from your other phone/tablet etc.. and then enable the screen sharing with the companion application on your phone and of course some kind of toggle on the Switch
there is possibly one glimmer of hope that I have yet to see one single person point out..
notice the typical web browser icon in the bottom left? maybe it will be a thing but I really doubt it...
I think that paid online is the way to go.
Sorry everyone that thinks otherwise.
I wish that they charged us back with the WiiU, but with a much better experience that the want we receive.
The lack of modern features on the Wii U is one of the reasons my son turned away from Nintendo (at 10) to fully embrace the Playstation: chat with friends, real multiplayer, special discounts on current games, multiple concurrent wifi settings (we have to complete stations, large house, plus his phone), and so on.
I don't mind to pay some fee for online features as long not so expensive and I can get unlimited time to play online anytime I want for 1 year. I'm ready for some changes like this.
Also, having to use a smartphone to chat will be really cumbersome. How the heck are you gonna hold the phone while using the controller? People just use their headphones and text using the controller. Please correct me if I'm missing something...
What a joke
While no one likes paying a subscription service This is a necessary step for Nintendo. If Sony and Microsoft cant manage to give their players free online then why should Nintendo be able to?
Hmm.. I won't complain about the pay-to-play online at this point, but the requirement to use an app on an external device is utterly baffling!! What in the world. You would think that the console could handle match making and social functions on it's own... or maybe it can't? :E
EDIT: Maybe the app is at the same time the channel that handles the internet connection while playing portable? I hope there's in-game chat options that won't require using the smart phone screen even if the phone handles the connection.
I think chat mobile app is made because Joycons doesn't have plug for headset when console is connected to TV.
There's a lot of cool stuff with the Switch but I fear this is one area where Nintendo might balls things up quite a bit.
I still think switch is running on Linux/Android, if that the case all current Android library technically easily portable to switch. We should see plenty of games, quality might be questionable though.
Regarding online gameplay, if it is too expencive to maintain servers, can't they release stand alone server so we can host multiplayer ourselves. Paying for playing MK8 online sounds bad. We only play once in a while now and I would not want to pay monthly or annual fee for occasional round on playing on line.
@DarkJamD You could use wireless headsets though.
@WOLF1313 No need to use those minutes because you must be near wifi to play switch online. Mobile phone's battery life can still be big problem.
@speedracer216 I highly doubt you'll be able to choose what game you want especially if My Nintendo is any indication of the "choices" you'll be allowed to have
I can definitely see this being my absolute favorite console. A true console that I can take anywhere, something I've always wanted. Mine will spend little time in it's dock. I'm curious how many games will fit on a 256 gig SD card. I'm so excited for March 3rd!
I hope online on the Switch will not be as bad as it sounds here. I feel like Nintendo putting voice chat on mobile is a very idiotic move and one that screams of stubborness.
I don't even have a smartphone. I don't care if that makes me a minority, because guess what Nintendo - I'm also the shrinking minority who buys yours systems! Like Wii U. That was a tiny minority of gamers.
Why alienate customers by making this weird, cumbersom, unwieldy chat "solution". Better stick to SNES Mini.
People need to stop freaking out until the price is revealed and the details are 100% carved in stone.
for real. Back on Wii and Gamecube I used to do voicechat with my phone..... by calling my friend when we played each other online in Jump Ultimate stars.
lol. now 12 years later Nintendo tries to pretend that using your phone (?!?!?!?!?) to basically call friends because your system itself can't do chat.... is an advancement? Oh my.
Everyone is over reacting to this... there is a few points here nobody is picking up.
1: VC games will now support online and takes extra work. Hence the rental to try.
2: We have to pay for online on other consoles already for a full experience.
3: Using an app means persistent community interaction wherever you are - regardless of your Switch being with you. Something only Xbox offfers via their app - but no voice chat intergration.
4: you can only keep the Xbox/ps games while you have your subscription. Nintendo may yet offer monthly discounts on its free VC game.
"When asked why voice chat for Nintendo Switch will be tied to a mobile app, Reggie said, "we want to reinforce the capability to take your experience with you on the go.... The ability to do matchmaking, voice chat through your phone, it's a h*** of a lot more convenient than having a gamer headset stuck into your backpack trying to do that. "
My first thought was oh, that kind of makes sense if it's a portable and you aren't near wifi. My second thought was how are you going to game online without wifi? Lol. This is really going to limit the competitive gaming on the Switch. But honestly, I don't really care. I haven't done voicechat by now, so I'm probably not going to.
@speedracer216 actually there is quite a few reasons. They can push out updates to the app anytime without having to update the console and interrupting gameplay. You can take your friends list and chat with them anywhere without a console. Frees up resources to make the games look better. Less work required for 3rd parties to implement (hopefully).
Let's face it - Nintendo needs to capture new audience, not just keep the old happy. This could be a very good way if they can provide and continued experience without needing your console.
@cleveland124 I thought the same thing at first. But the more I think about it, its a smart move. I love using my Xbox app on the go but doesn't provide any of the voice chat intervention or party setup.
If they nail down the features and continue adding more - this will be huge! Can organise parties and gaming land while away. Communicate with your clan.
And the Switch doesn't have internet on the go. So really if your going to play games on the go your going to tether it to your phone also for internet.
@GoldenGamer88 I usually end up buying them, anyway. Depends on how good they can be.
@OzHuski Actually that first point is something I was wondering about. The wording "Nintendo Entertainment System™ (NES) or Super Nintendo Entertainment System™ (Super NES) game (with newly-added online play)" certainly makes it sound like there's online play in retro titles!
That would be lovely!
@cleveland124 I have a hard time believing Reggie used that one specific word. :--D (also edit your post, community rules prohibit swearing) About the wi-fi thing, the phone would obviously provide the internet connection.
@Grawlog @speedracer216 People who don't have a smart phone, or even a compatible one, will have it bad. You can bet your house that the online app isn't coming to Windows phones not initially at least.
Milking games we already bought three times over? What a novel idea!
@Smug43 I'm pretty sure that's a language key for the keyboard. It looks very similar to the iOS one and Wii U had that feature too.
Ok so using you phone is going to seam odd, but it means devs don't have to build chat into their games, and it won't take up system resources. If the app works well you won't even have to be on your console to keep up with what friends are playing and what's going on in the Nintendo community.
Mobile networks have high latency. You wouldn't want to use them to play competitively for gaming.
There's no reason there couldn't be app integration to use as you'd want and also allow for headsets for the system. My understanding is that the Switch still communicates with the phone so the system will still be processing/need updates, etc. If true that would wipe out most of your positves.
Not that I don't think VC having an online component is cool. But I can already see this is the new justification to either charge me an upgrade fee or give me no credit for past VC, because of "new features" even on the single player games.
Anybody mention how you can touch smartphone apps so they are faster for chat, matchmaking, etc. because you can type on the screen directly, and easier to update and add features without updating each game to take advantage. It's sort of like how many PC games went to using web browsers for it. More flexibility when you are traveling as well with multiple people etc.
Anyway, just in case no one mentioned it.
@cleveland124 not really.. as essentially it will just be handling network data. All communication and bandwidth overhead would be handled by the phone.
And not all wireless has bad latency. I use a wifi provider where I am (had no choice) and beat out latency provided by Telstra on cable here in Australia, while also having better upload.
That being said I'm not talking about competitive. Not all multiplayer games is about being no.1 - you can just jump online and have fun.
Sounds interesting. It will be fun playing a different online multiplayer game every month, and since it's not every NES/SNES game at once, there will always be people ready to play a game. I really hope to see Mario Bros., and Balloon Fight, as those are obvious, but I'm not so sure which other games are so multiplayer centric from that era.
I must know,
If I have Splatoon 2 on my Switch and another person has Splatoon 2 on Switch and they're at the Park (no Wifi) (no cell phone) can we play against each other local device connectivity?
Or do we need pay for service thru cell phones to connect? What about cell data? ????
If this is all the Switch's online service offers, and it costs $5 per month (or $50 a year) like PSN/XBL, then it looks like I won't be playing any online multiplayer games on the Switch (when I actually buy the Switch, of course).
I get that Nintendo believes that everyone buying a Switch has a smartphone (because they probably do), but tying voice chat to a phone is just cumbersome. With that being said, Nintendo hasn't provided specifics as to how voice chat works on the Switch, but it still just seems really cumbersome.
@Galactus_33 direct wifi between switches wont be charged as you have no need to access the online service. But if the game is online multiplayer only, regardless if you want to play with just your friend, you will have too.
I will not pay for a service. I just won't play online on Switch. The only game I play online is Kart anyway. That'll remain free on the 3ds & WiiU I have so, that's where I'll play. Access to the eshop is still free so I'm set. If a web browser isn't free(which would be ridiculous) then I can just use my phone for that. All seems trivial really.
@cleveland124 Sure, online through a mobile connection might have more latency than wired (or wi-fi), but you can't use wired on-the-go! That was my whole point. Of course you could use your wired high-speed connection when home.
More reasons I dont need a Switch
I'm a huge Nintendo fan through and through. Loved a load of their games, charmed by Wii U and 3DS and expect big things from Switch.
But... what the hell is Nintendo trying to pull with that NES thing??? That's not even an incentive. That's more likely to turn people away!
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by wifi. Typically wifi attaches to fiber or cable whereas mobile uses cell towers. Wifi adds a small amount of lag. The hyper competitive people will avoid it. But mobile connections add quite a bit more lag.
Unless you are planning on gaming in a car almost everywhere has wifi. That would definitely be preferable to using mobile data.
@Galactus_33 You can play local multiplayer with Splatoon 2. SO yes, going to the park with a buddy, both of you having the game and Switch, you'll be able to play together. No online necessary for that. To what extent - I don't know. But they've made it clear it can be played local multiplayer and online.
Up to 8 Nintendo Switch can be connected together at once, so even if you don't take my word for it, keep that aspect in mind.
Alright, there's a huge flame going on. So I'll just wrap up my thoughts and go.
IF Nintendo is able to provide a quality online service at a good price, I'll bend over. The issue is, we don't even know if the online is better. And they certainly haven't proven in the past that they know how, let alone what is expected with a paid online service.
For example, the randomized match making service that most online Wii U games provide can be traced as far back as the Dreamcast. The servers may be much better than what Sega provided back then, but we are far past the era of basic friend codes.
I think people are making the general assumption that online WILL be better BECAUSE we pay for it. Problem is it's just as likely it's the same servers and service we've always been using. We just don't know. The fact nothing was clarified alongside paid online OUTSIDE the removal of services the Wii U has brings an unknown fear. Fear of the unknown is rational. If Nintendo wants to convince us, they need to tell us what we're getting with these extra costs, the console itself already costs $300 without a single game.
If it's better, like much better, than great. But this is still Nintendo we are talking about, these risky decisions are always going to be a hit or miss with them.
Even so, I still pre-ordered a Switch and looking forward to playing it. I've defended many elements about that triggered controversies online, but I can't defend this one, they have done a poor job convincing consumers if their own service is worth it before even stating a price.
@Rhydas I feel the same. Just loaning a rom for a month sounds like it would encourage piracy of retro games much more than extra sales on virtual console.
So... will I be able to use those USB ports to just plug in my Sony ECMCS3 clip-on stereo mic through a USB adapter, or an RCA splitter to connect both my mic and headphones, and use that for voice chat, or will we be forced to use the crappy headphone drivers and mic of a gaming headset? (Almost all of them suck.)
And for that matter, I wonder if it will be possible to somehow use the Wii Speak...
@OzHuski Thank you for clarifying that for me. 😊
@Rhydas thanks! That's what I understood "local multiplayer" to mean. From the original trailer reveal it looked like they were all sitting around and connected and playing each other. This is going to be amazing!!!!!! Love it! I can play a friend at work while on our lunch break. So cool.
I'm really excited for Switch! I too wish they had more games but at the same time. I'm not rich. I couldn't buy them all at once with the console. So a steady stream will be fine with me. Just as long as it's steady and there's good variety. No more 8 month droughts like with Wii U. That was brutal.
This entirely depends on the price, quality of service, and incentives. So far I simply know too little to say whether or not I think this is good or bad. This could be a nice step forward if it's priced reasonably and works extremely well...but only time will tell.
Im just here to say that this is super stupid. If they charge more than $10 a year for this crappy service I wont be playing online on the Switch... I'm a big Nintendo fan with 60 3DS games and 40 WiiU games, but now after this I really want the switch to flop so they will get their feces together and lower the prices and have some decent bundles... and a system with more storage, they will start releasing digital only games and what Im I supposed to do? have a hanging 500 GB external hard drive from my Switch?? God.. and my hype wasnt that big to start with...
@Seacliff I hadn't even thought about piracy at all, but now that you mention it, I can't see people reacting in any other feasible way. A title loaned to you for a month? Yeah, that'll anger/irritate so many people and I imagine quite a few of those same people are fluent in digital thievery.
I'll admit, the paid service while sounding horrible thus far -I agree with you guys- will turn out much better than many expect. Nintendo never asked for funding to keep their servers and online capacities afloat before, which was arguably why they were allowed to get away with it all.
But now as I understand it - Nintendo has DeNA. And DeNA are supposed to be the ones responsible for creating and maintaining Nintendo's online, services and servers this time around. So I imagine it was DeNA who pushed for the service being charged as they'll be the ones keeping things ticking behind the scenes. Which, arguably, will leave Nintendo more manpower to focus on producing even more games.
Hopefully that made sense. In other words, I'm not so worried about the quality of the online service - just... the NES games we're given a month to trial. That part just sounds god awful. I've sided with Nintendo on many things but this time I really have to draw the line.
@cleveland124 my internet is not provided by cable. Its provided by cellular like towers across multiple areas to get to me. There is no ADSL connection and while cable is laid - its not connected to anything.
It all comes down to who your provider is and the service. My partner at home shares actual mobile data between 3 Xbones to play Overwatch and other games with me and the kids. Latency is perfect until you chuck one or two YouTube streams in to screw with it. Same with me and my Wifi setup.
In the end - the console will deal with just game data packets which is small and easy. Voice data can chew a lot of bandwidth - especially when not super compressed. I get it's not perfect - I'd be nice to have an all in one solution. But there is a lot of positives with the setup - took me a while to realise it as well.
@KirbyTheVampire I hear you man! Thee software is what matter and is all that mattered all along, I kept saying this. Software sells hardware, not the other way around.
@UK-Nintendo True. But maybe streamline the experience for everyone !
@speedracer216 +1 I use an old flip phone. Also if there's no web browser to look up game tips, I'm gonna throw up.
As someone who has clocked 2000+ hours on the Wii-U browser, I would have loved to not be tethered to one room when using it. I'm watching football and using the 3ds browser right now!
@2CUTE4YOU Nope. but you can expect them to do the same with Wiiu/3DS online gameplay, nip it to force people to move onto the Switch prob a year or so after its release ... just like they did with the Wii when MK8 released.
And, LOL at the phone app to voice chat. Discord/Skype has pretty much replaced any videogame system's voice chat service.
Also once you open the app on your phone and initialize a connection to the internet it's basically connecting to the app on the phone and it will then MIRROR the application to the Switch console so you can basically flip between the mirror'ed app on the switch and your game..
I'm really confident Nintendo is going to come out and explain how NOTHING is going to be able to be installed on this device.. it's purely a "gaming console" and your phone or a tablet that has your account is going to be driving EVERYTHING else..
now what is Nintendo going to call this technology?
etc... this makes total sense.. either than or this is without a doubt early access console..
@Smug43 I'm assuming we don't need the app to play with friends, right?
@aaronsullivan This setup makes sense if you're playing on tv mode, but it's extremely redundant when playing on handheld mode. The Switch have a big capacitive touch screen, so why can't I use it for typing messages?
People really need to take off their rose colored glasses.
I can't believe anybody is excited about this trainwreck.
I just hope it doesn't need to be a phone. I'd rather keep a tablet or even a laptop/notebook handy (OS compatibility willing so probably nothing Windows).
The idea of S/NES games reworked to play online sounds really appealing, especially if it gets stuff like Contra.
Not sure on paying for online play without knowing the price or the quality of the service.
Latency shouldn't really be affected by number of devices unless your router can't keep up or you've used all available bandwidth. What's your latency? It's easy to test. My internet is usually about 20 ms at home and if I have a good mobile connection it's 50 ms. In a FPS that's adding alot.
@Smug43 it pretty much is all going tone early access. Nobody has attempted to do a hybrid console/handheld before and they are trying a lot of new ideas which do make sense in a lot of ways.
Problem is everyone expects to be exactly like the Xbone or PS. And when it's not exactly the same, Nintendo have screwed up and has failed.
They are in a unique position here and a lot of there ideas have potential! But there is going to be a lot of trial and error with feedback required by its users.
@Wolfgabe Exactly! I can see PS4/XBOX ONE fanboys being hateful like this, but all these NL subscribers whom it is safe to assume they're Nintendo fans??? Totally ludicrous!!! And don't forge about the comment that said they want the service to be only $40 or he/she won't pay.
First they wanted the Switch price to be $200-$250USD, NOW they want the online service to be only $40!?!? Stingy and haters.
Better be cheap...
@KirbyTheVampire only if it's local play.. Like the whole connecting of up to 8 local switches.. Otherwise, yes..
I hope it's cheap, because these perks don't seem very impressive.
@Dark-Link73 Nintendo has a lot to prove to the gaming audience that they want to bring back into their fold. For a paid online service to require that the gamer use their own separate mobile device for online chat, as well as only providing one game per month and having it expire after that month even if the user's sub continues, it's ludicrous compared to the competition's offerings, especially if they end up charging $60/year for it. That's stingy on Nintendo's part and the gamers will be right and justified in skewering Nintendo over it.
Nintendo still hasn't caught up with Xbox's or Playstation's online service, that they started using over a decade ago. Kind of embarrassing....... how difficult is it to just make the voice chat, friend lists, parties, etc. more convenient and modernized??
@cleveland124 I get anywhere from 14ms to 34 on average. My partner gets roughly 25-40.
And your right. But his router doesn't have game packet priority so any data sued adds increased time to packets.
I don't understand how nintendo still can't put voice chat in their system. I'm starting to wonder at this point if it's some sort of technical hurdle they just can't seem to get over. It's just really crazy.
I'm already paying monthly for PlayStation online. I ain't paying for two, so... hmm 😕
@HawkeyeWii they did? Why does it have to be on the console? Why cant you take it anywhere with you? This allows all of this even without your console being with you. And updates that wont interrupt your game time.
This is pretty darn modern apart from not being on the console itself which doesn't have cellular access on the road. Xbox app wont even have all the features it's cramming into their app - and I wouldn't be surprised if it works, Microsoft follows.
I use the Microsoft app all the time it's great. Just because its different doesn't make it worse. There is lots of benefits to this system - we just have to wait test. And how many times has the xbone UI been updated alone to make it intuitive? That took full system updates. They can update this outside of the system.
Since Splatoon 2 will hardly leave my Switch I'm kinda forced into this. I wish the downloadable game was a GameCube or Eshop title and not a SNES game I've likely got on my Wii U anyway.
@HawkeyeWii not trying to be an arse. But every company out there is trying to make the mobile phone the centre of your life/home. This puts Nintendo slightly ahead of Microsoft as far as features go, and well ahead of Sony.
This could all backfire if the app completely sucks. Let's be honest... but there is a lot more potential for this system if its done right - vs having it on your console.
I can't wait to see the backlash when the free game is Urban Champion 😂
Lol, everyone is just gonna download an emulator if they want the monthly game. It's nice to know literally every game from Gamecube backwards is free to download and play.
@Dark-Link73 @Wolfgabe Just out of sheer curiosity... Is there any possible event whatsoever where Nintendo could do something wrong, in either of your eyes?
I'll say it: I'm going to be mad if Splatoon 2 tanks because Nintendo pulled this greedy B.S.
@Smug43 You sure about that? Someone else said it was just to get notifications that you were invited to a game even when you're away from your Switch.
It sucks but doesn't affect me entirely. I rarely play online anyway. But now those few times I do play online I gotta pay. So I guess I won't be playing online then.
It really makes me sad how far Nintendo's fallen. Hard to believe they were once the KING of gaming. The Switch looks like a great console but a lot of Nintendo's decisions make me not want one.
@Viendra Virtual Console also uses officially sanctioned emulators, just not very good ones lol
Basically, the best thing about the new program is more advanced parental controls? This sounds absolutely terrible.
Yes, I understand that it could be "vastly better" than Wii U's or 3DS' online experience, since we now are forced to pay for it. I seriously doubt that it will be, however. Outside of the occasional "free game" (most likely an NES or SNES game which we've all played a billion times), the alleged benefits sound to run dry rather quickly. Smart phone integration is one thing (though, I'm sure they could've done it for free, especially since it will be cheaper for them this era after dropping Miiverse), but I seldom find the "improved stability" arguments for paid online services convincing nor necessary to the already satisfactory experience, being also very divisive to the system's community. I understand that other new features may be added later because of the paid model, but really...I very much doubt these will be enticing nor incentivisingly proportional to the subscription fee's particular cost, either.
This is undoubtedly an easy way for Nintendo to force more money out of players simply because they can, now seemingly being no better than the ultra-corporate models of Microsoft and Sony. Based solely on this (so far), I do not feel confident in their new direction. Hopefully, in time, they will at least make a permanently-free "limited" option (akin to NWFC and Nintendo Network, hopefully) to compete alongside the paid service.
In the way it has been announced so far, however, I can't believe Nintendo is so out of touch that they genuinely think smartphone and social media integration will convince players to fork over a monthly subscription fee. If the actual reason they are doing this is to entice big publishers "everyone loves" like EA and Blizzard, instead, I think Nintendo will soon cease to exist as a first-party company. They are spiting far too many users for the sake of just a few new ones.
I know someone uses Xbox and PS as example to say nothing wrong with paid online service, but the huge difference is Xbox and PS provide much more than what Switch currently said to provide (for the free game, on Xbox you get them forever, not only during subscription, and not just old platform simulator; one-month (S)NES is more like a game demo to me that want to further attract player to pay them. For online play, so far other platforms has more games require heavy online play than Nintendo), and we yet don't know if Nintendo will ask for the same price or even higher. I'm afraid of that may be true since the additional controllers of switch is more expensive than what they worth and the price of competitors. Let's say, if it's 1~2 dollars per month, it may be acceptable, but if 3~5 dollars per month, I doubt how many players will buy it; and if there are few players buy it, you could not have a better online experience as well since you can't even find your friends online.
The solution to the Switch is obvious. Vote with your wallet! Dont pre order the Switch, dont pay for its accessories, dont buy its games, dont pay for online! Dont let anybody dig into your pockets when you dont want them to! No means no!
What I want to know is... What incentives are there for the hardcore gamers that have already played all these retro games Nintendo is offering for rent? What do they get out of this deal? I'm genuinely wondering. If someone could enlighten me that'd be nice. I guess the price point will be a key factor here.
I think a lot of people are missing a couple of points here:
1- The subscription fee is for the online services, not renting the game. The original Xbox asked for a subscription and you got nothing except online play and chat. So the real issue is price. If it's cheap... it's still a good service.
2- The app on your smart device handles arranging stuff AND chat. It's still possible you could use chat from your Switch, but arranging your friends, adding people etc. is likely going to be easier on your phone. Plus a lot of people Skype anyway while playing online.
This isn't terrible, but it isn't great either. I think the real test is going to be how much it costs & how well the service works.
Since its "pay to use online" now, people expect some really strong online. If its typical "nintendo" online, people will go ballistic. I can't blame them!
So the parental app is free to everyone. Someone on the internet said that wasn't the case. I immediately found that strange!
That's a smart move, trial period for people to try out Nintendo's new online service, then paid subscription relying on word of mouth from people who used it. People who complain about this, shouldn't have asked for it in the first place.
Need to know the price before I form an opinion. But one thing I would say is NES/SNES games with online play is a good idea. I mean if you do have to pay for online getting acceas to a different game you can play online every month is pretty good.
I hope everyone who spent the whole 7th and 8th gen calling Nintendo's online archaic are happy, Nintendo are now doing what MS and Sony are doing.
We've come a long way from the original Xbox. Overtime, Microsoft has added (and subsequently removed) features to it's Live service. Games with Gold, Deals with Gold, and being able to use apps on the console being one of them. The latter becoming free for all silver members shortly after the Xbox One released.
Nintendo's paid online service concerns me because of the way they introduced it. The system is 47 days away from launch, and very few details have been given aside from what's been mentioned in the article. Not only that, but I want to judge how Nintendo is capable of providing a stable service despite varied circumstances. The Wii U and 3DS had adequate online services so I don't think that'll be an issue, but if I'm expected to pony up a few pounds every month I expect to see not only constant improvement serverside but as well as networking on the Switch.
I may have rambled a bit, but what I'm trying to say is that I'm very cautious. I will definitely push Nintendo's trial to the test this coming March, and I won't hesitate to dismiss the service entirely as well as discourage friends and family from signing up. We've come a long way from the large green box and I don't see a reason for Nintendo to start from square zero.
Aside from the online services I love how the Switch is coming along.
@BakaKnight Wait a minute: Do you lose PS4 games earned during subscription if you stop subscribing?
@biscuitsandtea Yes, we need more information about the online services... probably a good reason why we don't have to pay for them for months (the xBox services were paid right at the start & the xBox One as well).
Don't forget that Nintendo isn't handling the online services themselves, they are working with DeNA to help provide the best service they can. This isn't going to be the old Nintendo online.
Also, I already pay Nintendo for an online service. Pokémon Bank, £5 a year. Switch's online could be £12 with Bank included for all we know. How about we give it a spin before assuming it'll not be worth the money?
I think many fans are overlooking some of the more positive aspects of this service.
1. By offloading the bulk of communications to another device, Nintendo are freeing up vital resources, such as RAM, CPU time and battery life. This is extremely important, especially given how poorly implemented Miiverse and other social features were on the Wii U. If an individual uses their smart device to communicate with friends regularly, then it makes sense to take advantage of that hardware.
2. Nintendo's target demographic will likely already own a smart device and use it regularly. Judging from all the promotional photography and videos that we've seen so far, they're selling this product primarily to young adults with disposable income.
3. If the Switch console is to be shared among other people, each person keeps own their social features/friends on their own app. I believe this is more convienent and certainly safer for families. It means that you can interact with friends and software titles while away from the Switch.
4. Paying for online services is a positive sign that Nintendo are actually taking it seriously by building a new infrastructure. You get what you pay for.
Yes, the idea of a retro 'loan' is baffling. But we still don't know the full details yet, so let's reserve judgement until it is finally available.
@Sinton Yes and no.
For put it in another way, all contenent exclusive to Plus members can only be used by a Plus member.
If you interrupt your Subscription, you're not a Plus member anymore and therefore you can't access all the games, themes and DLC you got for free as part of the Plus Subscription, but if you renown the Subscription you gain back your access to them.
So, it's not accurate to say you "lose" all the games by unsubscribing from the Plus service, but that's pretty much the case for those planning to stop using the Plus service and never renown it again.
@BakaKnight I didn't know that. This means you have to buy games to actually own them. Not a problem for the next 2-3 years, but a major problem in say 10 years...
I'm not really a fan of the retro game renting aspect but I hope they use this to improve online multiplayer and their services a lot more this time.
Sounds good to me. I hope I can pair my wireless beats headphones as that's been missing from all hardware to this date
You are right.
An important point would be that you can be connected when not using your Switch, so you can see friends connected and playing, and power on your console to join as with Steam Android App but including chat.
Also you could add your phone contacts easily with no effort (great jump from have to share friend codes or nintendo network id) helping to promote Nintendo platform outside of owners.
If you could add new friends from multiplayer games, Nintendo security and privacy concerns is a plus for a gaming communication network, because android apps privacy politics are often abused by companies for their own interests.
I think it's a smart move by Nintendo. Next step from actual Microsoft, Sony and Valve.
Yes, Switch has an audio jack on top.
@Levi456 I don't know if anyone has told you yet, but Welcome to NL!
This is probably not going to happen but if it's cheap as hell it wouldn't be an awful sell. I'm talking £10 a year, £15 at most. Nintendo are doomed if any higher
Wow, this thread is priceless
It almost feels like I'm back at "VGChartz" ... lol.
Nintendo are not going to leave money on the table any longer everyone ... sorry about that. But make no mistake, once the big gaming titles start rolling in ... everyone will jump back onto the Switch bandwagon. Maybe it will take a price cut or two, but so be it.
Its better they start the price higher (like Sony & MS always do) then can actually bring it down ... rather than start it low, and are cornered on price for the next 4 years.
And regarding online ... there is so much Ninty can do to add value to the online system, its not even funny. Everyone slammed the MS Xbox Live Gold plans, yet they still ended up with 20m subscribers (or something). That's like an extra billion dollars in cash a year. Imagine what games Nintendo could deliver for that...
And ultimately, the Switch is all about delivering console level gaming in a DS-type device. Ever since I got the WiiU, I have wished for a fully-portable WiiU console ... and now Nintendo have delivered.
Given that I have very little time to game at home (but a lot of travel time) this is exactly what I want.
But the real elephant in the room is this ... will the 3rd parties actually start properly supporting this? Maybe their online plans link into full EA support in the future.
@gaga64 oh my god thank you for mentioning that as everywhere I have seen report this exact same story have all just ignored the whole "with added online play" bit. That's HUGE!! Super Mario Kart with online races? Or perhaps they are meaning leaderboards for time trials as an example. Either way, online functionality for NES and SNES games is great i my opinion, and why it's not the part grabbing the headlines is beyond me.
"Nintendo video games are just a little bit more well-renowned than most of the Xbox and PlayStation video games that you get to keep."
Ha ha by who? I'm sorry, I'm no longer deep enough in the Nintendo bubble to think like that. The other subscription services have offered some World class games that, outside of said bubble, are hardly short of renown. It's all about price, if that is really all Nintendo are offering they'll have to be cheap or price gouging klaxons will be going off.
"It's not as if both Sony and Microsoft haven't successfully established a gaming culture in which they can release consoles with aging PC hardware"
And Nintendo are releasing a repurposed Shield tablet. The Wii was a mildly souped up Gamecube. They're not pricing their aging PC hardware as if it was High end so what's the problem? Are you craving more Emotion Engine/Cell BS that makes development difficult?
"and that just provide marginally better graphics than the previous generation for virtually the same video games". The 'but what about' is getting a touch tedious but three of Switch's launch games fall into that category.
"then release upgrade consoles that force gamers to buy 4K TVs in order to maximize the value of those consoles."
Again what's the problem? If you don't have a 4K TV don't buy a PS4 Pro or XB1S. Nobody is forced to do anything, the original consoles still play the same games.
"You also still need to pay lots of money for online subscriptions that allow you to fully enjoy many of the major video games on the Xbox and PlayStation"
Which is what we're discussing Nintendo doing.
"Trust me, Sony and Microsoft have gotten lots of money from their customers, and they're not apologizing for it."
Something I'm well aware of and have tried to impress on other people when they're patrolling this site (or other sites) fending off any criticism of Nintendo (or whichever platform holder they're besotted with). I've posted plenty of times on here about how the relationship between consumer and games company is just that. I buy consoles when the value proposition makes sense to me.
I'm not claiming to be entirely open-minded. My old biases are still in there and deep down I'd be happy if a Nintendo on full power with a more consumer friendly attitude was market leader. But I also understand that getting emotionally attached can lead one to say and do stupid things.
"You want a gaming platform that provides the best value? It's the PC".
Values subjective. The cost barrier of entry has always been too high for me so far especially as I'd lose out on consoles exclusives. The PC games I've played over the last couple of years (I loved Papers, please) run on my laptop. However it's something I'm going to look at again over the next year (assuming my 2-year-old doesn't finish off my laptop earlier). Microsoft are putting their games on PC and if Sony continue to underwhelm with their exclusives it may be time for me to make the jump.
Overall, a PR disaster.
Subscription models for online gaming are nothing new by now.
On consoles, the Xbox 360 was first to hide its online gaming behind a paywall.
Playstation was next with Playstation+, adding an incentive to stay subscribed in the form of monthly games that are "free" as long as you stay subscribed. As an added bonus, these games stay with you even if you are no longer subscribed. You can't play them, but as soon as you go PS+ again, they are back.
Microsoft reacted to this by introducing "Games for Gold". Basically the same model, only that you get the games no matter what, subscription or not.
Nintendo, now joining the subscription model, offers none of that. Offering "free trial months" or SNES / NES games is a farce.
Not only is the long term subscription incentive missing, "renting" out 7 buck games comes off as awfully cheap at best.
This model would work if they would lend out major games, although at a considerable risk.
But this is just a farce. Its now down to pricing, as the usual model of +/- 15 bucks a month would simply add insult to injury.
Sadly, its the usual Nintendo MO:
One step forward, several steps back.
I can see a revision of this model on the horizon already
A few of those are benefits to nintendo. Why should I need to use my device because Nintendo won't build a machine that can handle that feature? Anybody who has a PS4 knows how easy the party chat works. When the Switch is docked, it's competition is PS4 and Xbox one.
This sucks big time. I mean I know I don't have any details like price or functionality or actually any real information but I've made my mind up and I'm going to stick to it. Stupid Nintendo why can't you be more like Microsoft and Sony? Granted they also charge for their online service but at least you know what you're getting, endless carbon copy slightly updated versions of the same games each year.
Nintendo loves to show they are behind the times when it comes to online services. With PSN/Live you can count on lots of online gaming options as most titles good or bad will feature it and there are several free games each month. Renting one retro game most people likely will have played or own in some form isn't interesting at all. It doesn't help fuel interest that only a few announced games are likely to provide multiplayer support and Nintendo's history in hosting games with it is pathetic to say the least. As for the chat app, it isn't a bad idea IF its a side feature rather than the only voice method. If that is their main chat method, then once again Nintendo fails to provide basics that every system has.
Guaranteed Nintendo will charge more for their online services then the competitors and they will give us less... They are not inspiring confidence right now...
I'm so disappointed...Nintendo has just totally disappointed me in the last48 hours
@marko What are you basing your guarantee on? So far they have never charged for online gaming. Could be £1 a year, could be £20 a month. Why don't we adopt a wait and see approach? Or we could just continue shaking our fists at the sky because being angry is much more fun.
But think how superior it allows you to feel! That has to be a perk.
@Wolfgabe The others give you games to keep for as long as you are a paid member & not just one month or limited to 1 retro game.
Just because other systems charge doesn't mean you should follow suit , that doesn't qualify you as having a great online system . Especially when your given less for the fee and also expecting people to pay for an app on top of that subscription to use voice chat in games.
I'll wait for the pricing but as it stands I haven't bothered with psn on the ps4 as I game casually when I get the time or when I want a pick me up. (in fact I traded in my ps4 so I will re pick up nearer Christmas when horizon etc are all on sale or we shall see how many games release on the switch though before xmas maybe sooner if a good deal comes available ).
It looks like I may now need to start getting a paid system just because Mario kart & what's the bets Mario odyssey will have some sort of online features forcing people to get the most out of the game especially if you want to try every aspect of the title and be a completionist.
The only reason it's free for launch is we are testing they're services for them, it will be all Wonderfull until it becomes paid in the fall .
To pick that time there must be some unannounced titles coming that are going to have online play as a main feature and I'm surprised they are not holding splatoon 2 back for this reason I suppose though they have only said summer maybe it will get delayed till practically fall due to some sort of issues.
I have my console preorder so I will be there day one but as for a subscription time will tell, I don't know any other games etc so i don't really see the point unless I'm put into a situation where I will need it to complete the game which I hope they don't start that wth games.
They way I see it now and i get its a new system ( it's not my first ) everything is extremely pricey over and about ms and Sony prices £59.99 for a retail disk game I have yet to pay that price for wiiU, ps4 or xbox titles ( maybe if they are digital but everyone knows they are always inflated for no good reason ) which doesn't bode well for anything else they plan on bringing that's yet to be disclosed.
@DanteSolablood Of course, but I intend to be very critical of the service from the start. I'll be voting with my wallet on this one!
@THENAMESNORM Sony and MS give us several fairly new games per month, that we can keep as long as we pay, while Nintendo will give us ONLY ONE 20+ years old NES/SNES game with added online capabilities, that we can only keep for a month, and you think this is great?
@Moeblob as always, someone negative. And you've not bothered to read the comment or don't understand it. I was highlighting an overlooked part of the story in my opinion. In my opinion. Not fact or anything, my view.
How can you and so many others be critical of something that has not even been confirmed yet - price! Once we know the price, we will have a better idea of the value it represents. Let's not forget that Xbox Live never used to give anything other than a stellar online platform, and they have responded to Sony's fantastic PS Plus offering of up to 6 games per month.
I actually own a WiiU, Xbox One S and PS4 and I have pre-ordered Switch. I have no problem subscribing to all of the online services as long as they represent good value for money. Right now, I have had 2 free games in the last six months from PS Plus that has grabbed my attention, and 4 from Games with Gold. Is that value to me? Well the online functionality is great on those consoles so I can't complain. Whilst the WiiU and 3DS online service are a bit behind, they are FREE and as such I cannot complain about that either.
So please, everyone calm themselves down until we know what value we will get, and remember that online services will be FREE for the first 6 months or so to try out.
@THENAMESNORM Sorry for the negativity and for misunderstanding your comment. I think I'm just fed up with this drip feeding of information from Nintendo, by this point they should've already laid out all the info about the Switch, imo. Lets hope Ninty just want to surprise us. Also, it's good to know you have all 3 consoles and aren't biased, that's rare these days.
@Moeblob fair enough and no worries. You're dead right, the information is being drip fed and one of the problems with the WiiU launch for me was a complete lack of understanding on how the system would work prior to launch, and I hope this isn't the same.
On the plus side, I believe there are lots of reveals to come in the 6 weeks or so until launch, and I expect new information will be available on different aspects of the console on pretty much a daily basis!
For example, the Virtual Console is pretty much confirmed by the snippets of info about the online subscription that we have already, but to my knowledge there's been no official confirmation from Nintendo on this and no mention of it. I was particularly looking forward to that being revealed last week, with the hopes of previous Wii and WiiU purchases either carrying over or available for a huge discount and the announcement of Gamecube games. But I'm confident we'll get good news on that front in the coming weeks.
@Lord Got a smartphone? Get Skype for your phone, link details with who you want to chat with, and boom you have voice chat. Unless you want to chat with rude strangers....
This is a huge chance for Nintendo, offer free online for classic games like Smash, older Mario Karts, Goldeneye, whatever and have people pay online subscriptions and have to pay a fee to upgrade their VC or download the VC
That's very easy to do on PS4 without a smart phone. They have friends only chat.
@gaga64 The question is, will that actually apply to every game that is added to the NS VC? And how much time will it take to wait for new entries, considering they will have to reverse engineer every game that applies to somehow function using an online emulated multiplayer feature, potentially around the world? This is something that has been done on several different unofficial emulators before, but the only recent experience Nintendo has with this is Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow. And we all know how much Nintendo struggles with emulation...
As long as Nintendo gets a solid FG line up I'll pay for online. I am paying for multiplayer...the rest of the stuff is gravy and not the deciding factor of the service. I don't get PS+ to rent games; I get it to play online. Same with Live.
@WOLF13 Yes, but what are you going to do when the PS5, PS6, etc comes out? What if one of those systems drops friends only chat? Using a smartphone (or PC like I do) is a better solution as you almost always have it running along side your console. Yes that is a big assumption to make, but games like Splatoon and others (not familiar with PS games sorry) don't utilize game chat.
That is unless your friends want to keep their PS4 on for just the voice chat in an unrelated/other voice chat service like Skype. Do what you want, but I think a somewhat-future proof solution like that is better than constantly updating platforms.
@Moeblob That's one mode it works in. When playing with two people on a single switch on the go, it doesn't, either. It's sort of a cool bonus that you could have a couple local people playing an online game and they can chat separately.
If ps or Xbox did that, I wouldnt be happy. But there's zero chance of that. They are light years ahead of Nintendo in terms of online. Nintendo is cutting corners by making you use your smart phone. They skimped on specs and this is how they pass it off onto their fans. They aren't leading innovation by doing this.
If somebody doesn't upgrade to new system then we won't be playing the same game anyway.
@FlameRunnerFast Any type of wireless connection is a bottleneck for bandwidth. Only wired connections can streamline bandwidth without interference. Luckily, the NS will support USB to Eternet adapters, so if anything, that's a much better "innovation" than using a crappy phone wifi or even... God forbid... a cell tower antenna connection (BARF!)... Oh my God... I threw up a little just thinking about how terrible that would be...
@aaronsullivan But they should give us the option to chat on both the Switch and on a smartphone, don't you think? There are many people who have old smartphones that aren't supported by new apps, people who use windows phones and people who have no smartphone at all.
@Moeblob if they gave us both, nobody would use the smart phone option.
if its cheap then fine but if its not, it's gonna tank
@WOLF13 @Moeblob Both would be good. Let's see what's offered all we know is that a smart app has been advertised as a method. I'd hope the smart phone option offers advantages. One I know it offers is the ability to ask someone to play when they aren't sitting at the system with it on with no weird transitions after, just stay chatting there while the system boots up etc. chatting the whole time.
Considering we don't know:
-the price of the service
-the connectivity between Switch and app
I think it's stupid to be saying, "OH WOW NINTENDO WAY TO SCAM US!" Maybe the service will be dirt cheap. Sony and Microsoft cater to adults and teenagers- people with money. Nintendo caters more to kids and families- people without money. So it would make sense that Xbox Live Gold and PS+ cost more- they are a premium service for people who probably have a steady stream of income. I'm expecting this to be a dirt cheap service, maybe $10-$20 bucks a year. Nintendo would be shooting themselves in the foot by cutting off children, their primary audience, from playing their games via a paywall. This would also make sense why they make the pathetic offering of 1 rented (S)NES game per month- it's not meant to be the reason you buy it, it's meant to be a perk. Nintendo also cannot offer free full games every month like Xbox and Playstation can because the switch library just isn't that big. When Microsoft and Sony started the free games deal, they had already built up a giant catalog of games. All they had to do was find a good game that wasn't selling anymore because most people already had it and give it up for free. Nintendo doesn't have that luxury because the Switch is just starting out. I'm expecting the service to be very cheap for the first 1-2 years, then Nintendo offers up a secondary alternative to the cheaper service- one which offers the free to keep monthly games.
@PlywoodStick true, there is zero detail here, and added features = extra work = more £$€. But the idea's there, and is one way of tempting fans to buy the same games again.
Of course the marketing spiel for the Wii U probably referred to Miiverse as "added online features for VC games", but that system is being canned and this does specifically say "online play"
I can ask somebody to play on PS4 and it will pop up on their phone with ps app.
"You might think so, but there' no denying the history and acclaim of Nintendo video games. More people are going to recognize the Nintendo brand than something like Trine 2 (a video game I like) or Metal Gear Solid. You should expect the video games to be priced as such"
Again, you have to posting from very deep in the Nintendo fan bubble to think like that. Outside of the rarified air in there are a lot of people who are going to find a one-month loan of 20-30 year-old ROMs a very difficult sell unless it's been priced accordingly. I only hope this sort of overestimation of Nintendo's position isn't prevalent in the Boardroom at Big N otherwise they really are sleepwalking off a cliff.
"Sony and Microsoft are still waist-deep in the graphics wars. As diminishing returns in graphics becomes more and more apparent with each generation, buying console hardware that does nothing but offer better graphics becomes more and more superfluous."
I agree on diminishing returns when it comes to graphics but the same applies to so-called 'innovation'. Both are natural as the industry matures. Outside the bubble are plenty of people who may look at 'innovation' like 12 switch and decide that innovation for the sake of it isn't worth it.
I'm also still not clear what you'd have them do differently. At the time I bought a PS4 you couldn't build a PC to beat it. Each platform holder has a different approach to making money and these approaches compliment each other. Nintendo's approach isn't inherently better because it's their approach.
"....taking Uncharted 3 or The Last of Us and giving it another bloated, poor-man's Hollywood storyline and slightly better graphics; these are radical innovations."
Again you have to be posting from very deep within the bubble to blithely dismiss the work involved in going from Uncharted 3 to 4 but herald the 3 minor Wii U remasters coming to Switch as 'radical innovations'. Are even Nintendo daring to claim that?
"They can successfully fool gamers into thinking they need those consoles to keep up with the "latest" technology, hence the market for the PS4 Pro and Xbox One S. They only provide better resolution, and that's only if you know how to arrange the furniture in your living room so you can perceive the increased resolution over a 1080p TV."
Sony and MS are doing this because they want to lock punters into their ecosystem. Like Nintendo, Apple, Amazon, Steam etc.etc. They're quite open about it.
Incremental upgrades have been part of console gaming for a while now, it's just Pro and Scorpio are the first home consoles to try it. They may fall flat on their behinds (last time I looked Sony was being very cagey about sales figures) and in a few years PC takes over completely, fine with me. But how are they trying to fool anyone? I haven't seen Sony or MS claim these machines can beat a top end PC.
Pro is well worth it if you have a 4K TV, but not if you don't. It's more powerful than an equivalently priced PC, the marketing spiel of 'most powerful console' is (unusually for Sony) accurate and what I've played (PES2017, Shadows of Mordor, Ratchet and Clank, Titanfall 2) are all noticeably improved. For an existing PS4 owner the risk is very low because there's no need to invest in a new games library.
Similarly XB1S is well worth it if you want a 4K Blu-ray player. If you don't have the right TV it's not worth it. If you're not interested in the tech then it has no value but that's true of anything else.g. the Switch having lots built into the Joy Cons or its portability.
I still don't see the problem. Being something MS and Sony have done isn't enough.
@WOLF13 Right, that's a cool feature. Discord has a call feature like that as well using PC. Now, Switch is getting it.
Maybe the Switch keeps the chat on the smart phone maybe it has options on the Switch as well. We don't actually have all the details yet. My point was that having the chat on the phone and staying on the phone can be less friction.
That would make sense. If what we currently know is all they're offering it needs to be cheap.
@Sinton That's right. They're not "free", more like they're "leased" because you have to pay to get them.
@Dark-Link73 And you have to pay the monthly fee when you want to play them. I don't how I've missed this info, but I'm glad I got know this now, as I bought a PS4 Pro only a few months back. I prefer to buy physical games, but if I have to go digital, I do prefer to actually own them. In my opinion, this puts Nintendo's plan in a better light. But in the end, it all comes down to price.
@Sinton I also rather have physical copies and I try not to buy online only games like Splatoon and Destiny (which I own both) because once the servers are down, your gameplay is over. I like to keep my game collections. I doubt I'll be able to play Destiny or Splatoon 20 years from now like I do still with GoldenEye007 and Wayne Gretski 3D Hockey.
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