Over recent months we've often highlighted, in editorials and otherwise, that Nintendo's early focus on describing Switch as a 'home gaming system' may have made marketing sense - in terms of keeping the 3DS relevant - but is unlikely to reflect consumer reality. For some the system will primarily be a home console, but with battery life not too much worse than a 3DS, in reality, those that love gaming on the go may feel it's a super-charged portable. It's both, of course, and can mean different things depending on each individual gamer.
It's pleasing, then, to see two senior Nintendo staff cutting past the early marketing and addressing that angle. TIME has posted an interview with Director Shinya Takahashi and Switch Producer Yoshiaki Koizumi talking about the system, with Koizumi-san being recognisable for his prominent role showcasing the concept and the Joy-Con in January's Tokyo Presentation.
One of the most interesting sets of answers relates to that hybrid nature of the hardware, and how that'll tap into different expectations depending on the gamer. Intriguingly, it's highlighted that the lifecycle could reflect that dual-purpose reality; home consoles typically have a solid lifespan (though Sony and Microsoft are changing this) while portable iterations every few years have been common from Nintendo.
Takahashi-san: It is Nintendo Switch, so maybe we'll switch it up! Certainly, we've designed Nintendo Switch in a way that it can be used by consumers in the way that best suits them. I think we may see that people who have bought a Nintendo home console in the past traditionally, they may treat Switch like a home console and buy it and use it for a long period of time.
Whereas people who have been traditionally Nintendo handheld gamers, they may buy Nintendo Switch and then for example, if a new version were to come out later, then maybe they would decide to upgrade to that. Or, for example, because you can take the Joy-Con off the system, then I guess that leaves open the possibility of something else that might get attached. There's obviously a lot of different developments that we could look at from that perspective as well.
Koizumi-san: We're hoping that Nintendo Switch will be a system that will be the constant in your gaming life. Whereas previously, you would play certain things on your home system and certain things on your handheld. Our hope is that Nintendo Switch can be the system that bridges both of those and becomes the constant system that you're always using.
Certainly, I'm sure you're very busy and I'm very busy and maybe we don't have as much time to play games as we would like. But my hope is that with Nintendo Switch being a system that you can play at home and bring with you, we're going to be able to find more of those moments where we're able to play the games that we all enjoy and be able to enjoy them that much more.
The two senior managers also tackled the concept vs. power angle that always does the rounds when Nintendo hardware is around the corner. Unsurprisingly, they discuss how the capabilities of the system help gamers connect to games in new ways.
Takahashi-san: You're asking this question to two individuals at Nintendo who come from an art background and the computer graphics background. We tend to be among the pushiest when it comes to graphics within the company. That being said, as we mentioned before, at Nintendo we feel like we're an entertainment company rather than necessarily a games or a graphics company. Our priority is always on trying to create new and fun forms of entertainment. That's the top priority.
Certainly, graphic quality falls somewhere within our priority, but our feeling is that Nintendo Switch is a system that really has the best balance of being able to create fun and new ways to play, but doing so with the graphic quality that's still good enough while also being one that's easy to develop for.
Koizumi-san: Graphics and frame rate are important in terms of how you're connecting with or how you're moving the heart of the player who's immersed in that world. Nintendo Switch also has something else that can connect with that player in the form of the HD Rumble, where you can be immersed in that world, but you can actually feel in your hands the sensation of something in that world that you haven't been able to feel before that adds a new layer of immersion to go along with the graphics and the frame rate.
I think when you start to look at the total package of tools that Nintendo Switch has to help bring those worlds to life, I think you'll find that it has some unique ways to connect with you as a player and move you in ways that you haven't necessarily experienced before.
It's certainly well worth a read, with both men also talking up the ease of development for third-parties and their efforts last year to pitch the console to developers and publishers in person.
In fairness to Nintendo, its current websites and recent promotional videos have backed off the 'home gaming system' focus and instead focused on the diversity of what the system can do, and how it suits so many different settings. It'll only become clear in good time whether the Switch concept will take off and excite the wider gaming public, but we think there are reasons to be hopeful that its unique approach could pay dividends for the company.
[source time.com]
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Wasn't that the purpose of the Switch in the first place.
This was common knowledge, no?
"Is the Switch a Portable or a Home Console?"
Yes, that's exactly what it is. A portable, or a home console. Your choice. That's precisely what makes a Switch a Switch.
Nintendo's recent marketing seems to be pushing this point better than their earlier efforts to try and persuade people it was 'primarily' one of the other. The user will ultimately decide what it 'primarily' is. The console has no obligation to declare allegiance to either format.
I hope we'll seed a wide array of games on the system encompassing those that would have previously deemed as 'portable-style' games and 'home-console-style' games, as well as things that could be classed as either.
It's an exciting system for sure, and - hopefully - one with a bright future.
The Switch can be either/or. Plus it can truly be played anywhere, so maybe a successor could be called the Nintendo Omni?
This isn't recent news surely... we knew this months back
Console + Handheld = Brilliant ideas.
I can play Switch with 2 different styles.
I prefer handheld than console actually.
One thing, when the electricity off I still can play my Switch in handheld mode.
@Anti-Matter Not for long.
@ThomasBW84
"Or, for example, because you can take the Joy-Con off the system, then I guess that leaves open the possibility of something else that might get attached."
I don't know about u guys but for me, that sentence may hold some significance! New types of Joy-Con?!
There are reports that some major retailers are cancelling preorders because of shortages.
@audiobrainiac Or a VR headset, or something else entirely...
The Switch is too expensive to be treated like an easily replaceable handheld. Price drop first.
IIt should also be a bridge between mobile and portable/home consoles too, right? That seems like it should be partly the point of designing the core unit like a tablet... Which has distinctly mobile tech in it.
...the fact that they are betting on "HD Rumble, where you can be immersed in that world, but you can actually feel in your hands the sensation of something in that world that you haven't been able to feel before " to be a strong selling point, over graphics, has me more excited for the Switch.. a unique home and portable gaming experience...
Without the games, Switch will ultimately become what Wii U was before it: a jack of all trades, master of none.
The games, Nintendo. This is what Switch needs.
Just here to say I'll be happily buying the inevitable Switch Pokemon game. It's about time the main series took to an HD-tier platform.
@Paddle1 I expect in the future you will be able to buy just an upgraded handheld without needing to get the dock or more Joy Cons. I would think this could get the price to $200 or less upgrade
They really need to dump the 3DS is they want the Switch to take over as the new handheld.
"It is Nintendo Switch, so maybe we'll switch it up!"
WayForward called. They still want their line back.
As for this:
"That being said, as we mentioned before, at Nintendo we feel like we're an entertainment company rather than necessarily a games or a graphics company. Our priority is always on trying to create new and fun forms of entertainment. That's the top priority."
I can almost recall a few systems in Nintendo's past which based themselves on providing "new forms of entertainment" through much improved tech over their predecessors... I can't remember what they were called, though, for the life of me...
I also faintly remember something about them having to do with ushering in a golden age of gaming...? Oh well. It'll come back to me...
@PlywoodStick there's also a YouTube channel called SwitchForce lol
Obviously the Switch will replace the 3DS, it depends on when. First step will be the option to buy the Switch without the dock and grip - probably by the end of the year. Then next year a smaller, cheaper fully integrated unit (with a proper d-pad and no detachable joy cons) will arrive for those only interested in dedicated handheld gaming.
Here's an idea RCDMIAX can use. A game where you are panning for gold. The HD rumble would be ideal to simmulate the sloshing of water in the pan.
It was a home console last month now it is both next it be a portable and then the 3ds replacement
Consoles are not fun, GAMES on consoles are fun. HD rumble Could be the bees knees but it'll boring without games. We're all waiting to see if this steady stream of software over 2017 materialises and what gets announced for 2018 near the end of the year. I'll be anxiously waiting for something to pull me in😵
"if a new version were to come out later, then maybe they would decide to upgrade to that. Or, for example, because you can take the Joy-Con off the system, then I guess that leaves open the possibility of something else that might get attached"
Switch Mini and different types of Joy-Cons confirmed!!
And, here ya go:
http://www.inceptional.com/2017/02/07/all-the-official-nintendo-switch-ads-i-could-find-so-far/
My pleasure.
@ULTRA-64 But I thought the Ultra 64 was supposed to be "The Fun Machine"!?
I've said it since it was announced. Switch looks like a device that will receive upgrades in the future, and given the market, that's not a crazy prospect. Personally, I welcome that since I will likely buy more than one. One will be for the TV, the other will be for my daughter, and the third will be for my son when he's old enough. Switch is perfect for those of us who don't want to buy two Nintendo devices but want to play all of their games (there are many people that complained "x game" was not coming to 3DS or Wii U when the latter was still relevant).
Nintendo doesn't seem to know what the Switch is. They should be going all in, saying that all future home console and handheld games will show up on this one machine. That it is, without a doubt the successor of both the Wii U and the 3DS.
Instead, we get statements like this, contradicted by other statements like "oh it's the successor of the Wii U" and "It's a portable home console". Their userbase is mostly handheld, so focusing on this machine like it's a home console first and a handheld second, rather than as something that's both would put those consumers off. It also raises the question of whether we'll truly see a main line Pokemon game on the system, because of the "home console first" marketing. Marketing like that would surely deter Game Freak from developing anything other than a stupid spin-off for it. If there is no main line Pokemon, you can be sure you're not going to make the bucks you need to.
"our feeling is that Nintendo Switch is a system that really has the best balance of being able to create fun and new ways to play, but doing so with the graphic quality that's still good enough while also being one that's easy to develop for"
This +1
Haven't bought one yet and already they are talking of an upgrade.
@Baker1000 I was thinking a VR headset.
What a bunch of BS. If Nintendo really supported the Switch as a handheld, they would make new games for it, not the 3DS!
@LegendOfPokemon I'm looking forward to when Nintendo has a more portable version of the Switch and it can replace the 3DS smoothly with one major target for deeper games and the mobile target. Right now, though, 3DS is printing money again. In my opinion, it's a horrible time to abandon it when there is only a large portable for adults to replace it. If it wasn't for Pokémon we might have seen 3DS development dry up faster, but we don't live in that world.
@gatorboi352
There will be a lot of games for Switch.
Are keep denying the existence of Zelda Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Odyssey and the other non AAA games both from Japanese and Western developers ?
I think Takahashi's current position in the company makes him the prime candidate as Nintendo's CEO if/when Kimishima retires.
"Whereas people who have been traditionally Nintendo handheld gamers, they may buy Nintendo Switch and then for example, if a new version were to come out later, then maybe they would decide to upgrade to that"
What is he saying, that you'll want to wait for a more portable version??
@Anti-Matter you named two games, both developed by Nintendo and will be released 8 months apart. One of which is also coming to my Wii U same day.
Yup yup. That's exactly how I plan to use mine.
Play Zelda at home, play Mario Kart 8 at work. Play Splatoon 2 at home, play Arms at work. Play Skyrim at home, play Xenoblade 2 at work. Play Fire Emblem at home... still play even more Fire Emblem at work hehe 😄
It's gonna be a long 5-6 years of Switch games to look forward to. The vast majority of which I intend to play pretty much everywhere. I always complain about not having enough time to keep up with all the games that come out. Solution? Divvy up some of that game time into my work schedule hahaaa
I wish it were March 3 already! I've been refreshing nintendolife.com every hour or so for the last month reading every morsel of new information. At this point I am going crazy with anticipation.
I'm getting this. And I will likely get any other variations that my come out.
@JaxonH I think that's actually exactly what Nintendo is aiming for the Switch to be used as (they are mostly targeting adults in their advertisements after all). I've seen too many people already say that their Switch is never gonna leave the dock, but when you don't have much time to play games because you have a job it makes the hobby a lot more accessible. They really might hit upon a majorly untapped area of appeal again.
@LegendOfPokemon I don't know about next year, but the 3DS games I know of that are announced for this year (a new FE in May, Yoshi's Wooly World, which just released, and FE Warriors, which is coming to the Switch as well) were probably in development for at least a year or more, so I just see it as them releasing the last of what they've been working on for the platform. I think E3 will really be revealing. If they announce a good amount of 3DS games to release next year then we should be a little concerned they aren't investing all their resources into the Switch. At the moment I just think it's too early to tell.
@Urameshi Yeah, I think it won't be the Wii levels of success, but unlike the Wii U (IMO) the Switch is just a cool piece of tech and it does something that nothing else is really doing at the moment. The fact you can bring the same game with you wherever you go and it pretty much keep it's visual quality and performance will be enticing to a lot of people, not just the Nintendo fans. I don't know, it's just, to me, the Switch is something that will turn heads if you bring it out in public, but this is just me trying to be optimistic, so who knows.
I really don't get peoples complaints about the price , I think 300.00 is a good price for a new portable tablet console with two controllers packed in . A 3DS XL is still 200.00 and it don't come with a charge adapter, LoL
@Romeo-75 I understand people wanting it cheaper because who doesn't? But I agree with you. For what it is and what kind of tech is packed in, I think $300 is fair. I think the problem is that people are viewing it as a console (it's underpowered compared to PS4 and Xbox One so why does it cost more?) or as a handle where people feel it's too expensive. I think the tech jammed in the thing maybe makes it's worth it. I say maybe because I don't know how much the parts cost, but if people don't anticipate themselves using it as a portable and a home console and only would use it as one or the other, I can see how the value of the system lessens for them.
@Urameshi
It's funny to see some gamers dismiss the concept because it doesn't fit in to how they see gaming i.e. something done by teenagers and menchildren either in their parents bedroom or living alone. There are an awful lot of adults out there with families, jobs, commutes, the requirement to travel etc. and this could fit into that grown up existence perfectly.
a bridge connects two points. the switch seems to accomplish that. i just wished they didn't compromise so much on the 'home console' end. the portable end is fine, tho' that storage shortcoming is going to be an issue in the long run.
Ohhhhhhh so thats why its both a handheld and a console??? Great story if it was written two years ago.
Watch it fail because Nintendo have again ignored the fact that power matters. It's why many third parties are already ignoring it and why there hasn't been even 1 AAA third party game announced yet. Every day we seem to be hearing of such game that won't be on Switch. Yesterday it was For Honor, before that it was Resident Evil 7.
It needs AAA 3rd party or it will be switched off
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Power only matters if threre is a huge gap between the consoles. That does not seem to be the case here. That most likely wasn't the problem with Wii U either, but more of a combination of it being harder to develop for and it not selling.
We don't know how many third party games we will get, most of the typical big games haven't even been anounced at all, like cod. Re7 and FH are both bad examples because they would probably be too late on Switch.
Switch having no AAA third Party games yet is also wrong.
Great quote from the actual article:
"Like a wizard (never late, nor early, but arriving precisely when intended), Nintendo views Switch as neither under or overpowered, but exactly what it needs to be to deliver the experience it hopes players want."
Hah! Nintenodo Switch: the compromise. Naysayers wanted the graphics/power, Nintendo wanted the fun. So now fans get both in a console they can use however they like.
Nintendo basically just chucked a ball of creativity at us and said; "UGH! Fine - here!" and now fans will be laughing come March 3rd as a result.
Well that basically confirms there'll be upgraded/different versions of Switch eventually, just like Nintendo's handhelds. Not that there ever was a shred of doubt in my mind about that.
@Kirgo "Switch having no AAA third Party games yet is also wrong."
Name 1 please?
The Switch clearly not as durable as any previous Nintendo portable (even the Virtual boy) this combined with relatively high price tag make this a portable for young adults and older (maybe responsible teens).
Its also seems quite big for a 7ish year old to hold. The preteen & teen group is a big market for Nintendo I cant see them ignoring. In the near future (2018) I believe Nintendo will replace the 3DS with a new single screen handheld for the pre-teen market. It will similar functionality (no joy-cons) but with less power than the Switch and be priced around the £150 price point. This is what the next Pokemon, Level5 & Lego games etc. will be made for, I am just hoping that the production tools for both the switch and this fictitious handheld are the same so all its games just play on the switch. To this end I have a sneaky suspicion that the new Square Enix game Octopath Traveler is one of these games.
@KiWiiU_Freek
Oh this feels familiar.
Feels like the GameCube, eh?
@JaxonH
(Ha ha, yeah...)
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
"Watch it fail because Nintendo have again ignored the fact that power matters. It's why many third parties are already ignoring it and why there hasn't been even 1 AAA third party game announced yet"
Power isn't keeping AAA 3rd party games away. The lack of demand in the market is. And there's gonna be a loooooooong list of AAA that never come to Switch. Anyone who expected otherwise is a fool. Doesnt mean the system won't sell, doesn't mean it won't have plenty of great games and doesn't mean people won't love it. There's more to life than Western megabudget games. Not saying it isn't nice to have them, but whats nicest of all is simply having great games PERIOD. Western AAA or otherwise.
So tuck that magic 8 ball back in its cardboard box and return it to Walmart. Then sit back, watch what happens over the next 2 years and learn something
"We're hoping that Nintendo Switch will be a system that will be the constant in your gaming life. Whereas previously, you would play certain things on your home system and certain things on your handheld. Our hope is that Nintendo Switch can be the system that bridges both of those and becomes the constant system that you're always using."
but it's totally not a 3ds successor you guys; the 3ds is gonna be around forever just like the gba
@audiobrainiac
That stuck out to me as well. The possibilities that could bring.... they could upgrade or release new joy cons that bring new functionality.
@dizzy_boy
That's actually a fun idea. Say an Oregon trail sort of game, where you can look for gold, and hunt of course, drive the wagon in certain parts. Maybe even a small medical section when someone gets sick.
@Tarvaax
I whole heartedly agree, if they want the Switch to take off, they need to make it clear that to play the games you need a switch. But they will not abandon the 3ds yet.
I say, if at E3 they show 2-4 killer games, xenoblade, Mario, monster hunter, and Pokémon, plus a notable third party or two, then they can make the push to say make the switch.
I assume the touch screen is there to pursuade mobile developers to release their games on Switch.
But can this type of game be played while docked? Is there a handy way of using a MotionPlus style curser on the screen, now that there is no SensorBar? Or will the IR camera in the right JoyCon register hand movements same way as a Kinect/SmartTV?
I still have so many questions.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
Maybe you don't count Dragon Quest because it is not big in the west.
Maybe NBA2k is not quite big enough for you, just as Steep.
Maybe you don't count Skyrim because it is old.
But there is still FIFA.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I think the Wii is proof that power doesn't matter. As long as the concept grabs the attention of the potential buyers, it will sell. If it sells, it gets 3rd party support. You could argue against that with the fact that many Wii 3rd party games were awful but tbh I don't find much outside Nintendo 1st party games worth my money anyway. They make the highest quality games. Everyone else is too busy making sure their framerate doesn't dip below 60fps.
@Maxz I agree, and it's kind of an extension of our conversation yesterday in the SB commercial thread. I think there's different wings of Nintendo focused on presenting it differently. I've said before but I now see Nintendo as an extremely political company with different power groups pushing and pulling for THEIR vision. Iwata was a great unifier in that regard, but even he got overruled often.
October's reveal showed Switch as the hybrid, the console or handheld. It hit home that message. They had the world in their palm. Then they went and massively confused the message on Jan12 and the followup PR statements. It was all about the Joycons, hardly about the hybridization, and they kept reiterating "New Home Console(TM)" They more they've done that, the more I got concerned about the message of the switch.
The paring down of the SB commercial to being all about the hybridization makes me rest easier that they're back on-message. But it does leave one to wonder: Why the multiple personalities in their marketing? It's not pandering, they're not telling different messages to different target groups. They just flip flop the message
What we DO know from this candid commentary from two of the big shots is that we're all right. The REAL message of Switch is the hybridization, and it IS the WiiU + 3DS successor as suspected, regardless of what Kimishima says to investors. And it's reassuring to hear this from these two individuals specifically. Koizumi is pretty blunt about it, "the constant that you're always using", "previously some games on handheld and other games on console" - he's pretty up front that this is the new single unit, full stop.
I found Takahashi's statement refreshingly revealing though:
"Whereas people who have been traditionally Nintendo handheld gamers, they may buy Nintendo Switch and then for example, if a new version were to come out later, then maybe they would decide to upgrade to that. " A very pointed hint at future hardware revisions, and hardware revisions existing owners would want to upgrade to.
I see some talk here about having teh Switch replace the 3DS. Have people forgotten that Nintendo's strategy around the NX (before it became the Switch) was to have one unified platform with several devices?
@iGen
We can only hope.
I love my Cube, one of my favourite consoles.
@jsty3105
I liked your comment purely for your avatar alone.
@KiWiiU_Freek
I love mine too. A close second behind the Wii U, IMO.
Remember the company philosophy in 2000/1?
They wanted to make a brand new game powerhouse that was easy to develop for, was cheap to produce, and a respectable force on the market, too.
Reminds me of this video and the entire message behind it:
THE NINTENDO DIFFERENCE 2017
New version.. So easy to read in their minds....pc ports ( in every single game you can adjust graphics settings to your pc) that's pointing to so simple idea. Switch and powerfull dock stattion.. On the low spec on stattion spec like high ended pc... Everyone see their patent fo extra device.. Imagine that you will be able to upgrade it every 2 years like pc to modern standards.. In this case ps4 pro and x Scorpio they will no underpowered system next year......
@iGen
I'm still waiting for Raven Blade!
Those comments I highlighted above reminded me exactly of their Cube reveal.
Yeah, the Cube and Wii U are level pegged for me, even their covers are similar with the curved bar at the top.
I really hope Switch has the same level of support from third parties as Cube, if not more.
I buy Nintendo systems for their first party games but I would love it if they got more support.
I mean Wii U third party games like Deus Ex, Splinter Cell, Sonic Racing, Mass Effect, NFS Most Wanted and ZombiU really showed what could've been if third parties put a little bit of effort into it.
@KiWiiU_Freek
I hear, brother.
I hear.
@Rumncoke25 indeed! Or one with a proper d-pad or perhaps console themed with like controls. With a modular system the possibilities are endless.
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