This game series is definitely worth a try if you like RPGs like Atelier. Despite the modest production values, Adventure Bar Story was ridiculously charming and comfy to play, and is worth way more than it's 5€ price tag. And I'm willing to bet this game will be at least just as good, seeing how I played the original when it was available for Vita on PS Mobile.
If you are curious even a tiniest bit, buy it Day One to support RideOn and Circle. It's not worth it to wait for a sale worth of 1-2€.
Yesterday it was announced that Atlus and Deep Silver have made a publishing deal for Atlus and select Sega games for Europe, and the first game that's coming out of that deal is indeed 7th Dragon. So it's coming here, still no word about when, but it's happening and the info should be coming out in the coming weeks, according to Deep Silver. So no worries.
The fact they straight up confirmed really quickly how they are going to release all games in both retail and digital is a huge plus for everyone involved. Finally I don't have to fear for these games to be brought over sloppily or not at all, I can just safely place my pre-orders and get hyped for the release dates when they come up.
This news made my day and I haven't been this relieved in a long while. Thank you, Deep Silver.
The first Gunvolt with all its contents intact would definitely be my favorite eShop title ever, and seeing how they show footage of the first game with voice acting, I guess including the cut content is finally going to happen.
I'm one more person who bought ZTD for Vita as an US import because of Aksys not making a publishing deal with any EU publisher with it, which I think was a very sucky move. I get that they want all the profit from the release to themselves, but since they can't handle even a limited retail release in here, it leaves many fans feeling ignored. Add to this the usual hardships when it comes to importing US games (possible custom fees, the delay between the delivery and the arrival when compared to buying from a domestic store) and it's not difficult to see why people want to have retail releases of games in their region.
Especially with 3DS the situation is extremely bitter, seeing the asking price is the same you could buy a physical copy with online. Of course you have to wait a good while for it to arrive and all that... really disappointed in Aksys with their release strategy with a game series that had such a large portion of it's fanbase from EU in the Operation Bluebird movement.
I would love to have a Mario RPG style game from Yacht Club with the same kind of care and attention that was given to Shovel Knight. It would have potential to be something truly spectacular.
Should have just called him Eggman from the very beginning. A very silly-billy move by the western side to change things without telling the original dev team. At least it's been fixed for a long time now.
If this comes out in Europe, it will nbe a Day One buy. I absolutely adore Gunvolt.
That is, if they could finally manage to bring back the cut voice acting and dialogue scenes for the 3DS original. Still waiting for that one. At least it's plausible to think that the updated version is included in the Striker Pack, but it should come available for anyone who purchased the original from the eShop when it came out.
I'm glad they are finally ditching the americanized names and keeping the originals. It's nice to see the old ones as easter eggs of sorts, but going with the original names is the way to go nowadays.
This looks way better than Lost Valley. But it's not really saying much. At least I'm way more likely to get this game despite it being the fake Harvest Moon game, this at least has some of the charm from the actual series.
People wouldn't complain about censorship in these games if they weren't interested in them. Of course when something that interests people gets tampered with, people are going to voice their concern about it. I was hyped when the project was initially announced, lost a lots of it when it turned out to be what it currently is, and lost interest and willingness to support it completely when the "localization" changes were made public.
I'm, in turn, sick of all the people who complain about censorship posts in articles about games that are heavily related to it. Just because you happen to be OK with the changes made with the game, doesn't mean everyone else should be. The "if you were a fan you wouldn't complain" card is one of the most idiotic things one could ever use in situations like these.
This is how you make a new game on a franchise - take everything the fans love about it, and fine-tune / expand it. Looking forward to get this game at one point or another, when my backlog isn't as huge as it currently is.
Now those NISA sale prices are something out of this world. Like whoa, never would have expected that level of price drops.
Had they been digital-only games, I would jump to get those all, but seeing there are physical versions available, I really have to think about if I'm OK missing out on them in favor of these way cheaper digital versions.
@JaxonH Like I said, I think it pretty much boils down to marketing. Had they gone the route of clearly explaining Birthright and Conquest being two separate games without the shared opening chapters from the beginning, I think people would have gone the "okay, they're pulling the Oracle way of things, I see" route. Seeing how even to this release date some people were confused about how the different paths and buying them worked, I don't think they did a good job with it. Like I said earlier, implying that there's a choice in the game that branches the paths and it in the end appearing to be a separately sold part of the game in addition to the once purchased game is the thing that pissed a lot of people off, I believe.
And then there's the matter of the limited edition - everything on one cartridge, no confusion about everything, you pay for this one and you get everything. No need to buy any additional stuff on top of the single game purchase. This was made available, but only in very limited fashion. Why was this, exactly? Why not just release the game solely in this form?
@JaxonH Define this "triple sized game". Games come in all sorts of lengths, how is one exactly "triple sized"? Do you mean to the usual size of a Fire Emblem game? The upcoming Dragon Quest 7 is easily over 80 hours without side quests, and it is sold as a single game, like it should be. I think it compared pretty well to Fates' total play time when you just go through the main story.
I can't deny that the Oracle games give a similar vibe, though. I wasn't in charge of my own money when those games came out, but seeing how they were marketed as separate games, I can imagine myself being content with just a single game, since I wouldn't feel like I was missing something from the game by not getting the other game (and the secret code for the Ganon boss could be gotten from a friend for free, like trading Pokemon with the owner of a different version). While with Fates, they marketed the choice the player must take in the game, while in reality it was the choice on which choice or choices to buy. But seeing how the identical beginning in each game is so short and can be easily cast aside when talking about the exclusive content in both Birthright and Conquest, I can see how the pricing may see justifiable since they pretty much are two different games for the most part.
@Dr_Lugae I don't deny that games like that exist, but there are also games that offer many possibilities from the beginning of the game to decide how to play it. When games are being marketed with the ability to make choice on how to play, consumers rightfully expect that if they buy the game, they will be able to make the choice within the game, not between two versions of the game in the store.
Maybe it all just boils down to marketing, after all. Had they been marketed as two separate games without any sort of similar content and not including a version that includes everything in a single game, people wouldn't have problem with two different versions being sold separately. Imagine if the only way Fates would have been released was the limited edition, everything on one cart, released with a little more expensive price when compared to other games, like the often frowned upon Atlus tax. I'm sure many people would have called out on Nintendo for increasing the basic price of a game like that when compared to other games, but I would have much rather seen that happen that an extremely small amount of limited editions being made available, prices of which would be more cheap than buying the more available separate entry, and having to buy two story arcs on top of that.
I get that you think the content available is worth all the money, I really do, but I think it sets a dangerous example for other companies in the future. I wouldn't be surprised if many other games would follow suit and divide themselves in separate games to be purchased separately to get everything you want from them, seeing how well Fates has been doing regarding its sales. Had I not been able to get the limited edition, I would have happily left Fates alone and would have been perfectly content with Awakening. The fact I got all the content on a single cartridge along with all the collector's edition goods made the final price for the whole package acceptable, but if I would have had to buy a single game and buy all the other storylines in addition to it, I would have left the game alone.
The game included in the limited edition should have been the one released for everyone. I think that's pretty much what I'm trying to say here.
@JaxonH The intent to make separate games itself is what comes out as greedy, seeing how so many RPGs before it have managed to put in several paths and routes for players to play through without the need to lock them behind a paywall. Imagine if in future all branching RPGs follow this formula - the basic path is sold as a full-priced game, and all the other ones are being sold as DLC half the price of the main game. What once was a part of RPGs including branching paths and multiple possible storylines right out of the box is locked behind a paywall in Fates. You can't deny that. It might be company's own decision, but it doesn't make it any less greedy.
Of course if you, or anyone else for that matter, is ready to pay for it, that's your own business. As it is mine, since I went and bought the limited edition myself and have been playing it for a while now. But it doesn't change the fact that the game was divided into multiple, separately sold parts to get more money. All of them being released simultaneously (with the exception of Revelations which, for now, is exclusive to the limited edition) reinforces this fact even more. There are numerous ways to sugarcoat it, but it doesn't change the truth that Intelligent Systems decided to charge fans extra for multiple choices, while other companies don't do that (yet).
@Syrek24 I guess you didn't get to read that last comment I made just before you made yours. Might want to check it out, especially that second last part.
@JaxonH The problem was never about the file size. The problem is that the game was split into three separately sold parts even though they could have just given everything in one game, like the majority of game developers do, or did, at least.
The length of a game is irrelevant here, there are loads of games that vary in length and still ask the same price. You can argue about how much length is worth the price for as long as you want, nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't change the fact that this game could have offered everything it had with a single release, without the need to rip fans off for additional money because they knew fans want to see everything the game has to offer. I should know, I have the limited edition.
Yeah, surprised? I bought it because despite all the negative aspects of the "localization" of this game that takes all the progress made with Japanese niche games for several years backwards, I'm still interested in this game because it's Fire Emblem, and I simply wanted the cheapest option for everything. Yes, getting the limited edition in my country was actually cheaper than buying one game and all DLC to unlock all the story content, and that's not even mentioning all the additional maps. And of course Nintendo made sure to print them in such quantities that the stores stocking it sold out in 15 minutes after getting them available to pre-order. I was there, I saw it all live. I'm being part of the problem I'm trying to fight against by giving the full price for a localization job that's way below the acceptable level that the industry has reached as of today.
I can't believe I have to spell it out for third time here, but I DON'T HATE THE GAME. The gameplay has been widely praised and I'm all in for that, the way Nintendo decided to release it and act as moral guardians for consumers to decide what they can and can't see in a game centered on anime-inspired fantasy warfare with human relationships mixed in it is what sucks. Not being OK with that doesn't exclude me from liking the game itself. I'm just one of those people who doesn't like the fact that Nintendo plays a moral guardian in all of this, deciding by their own standards what's appropriate for everyone in the western world, original vision be damned. Removing and altering content just because it might offend someone who is looking at things with a skewed viewpoint is something games wouldn't have to suffer from anymore. But that's Nintendo of America for you, gotta avoid all that evil controversy, let's just remove these parts of the original product we don't find okay in here, because that's how we roll. And that's their decision.
If you don't care about the changes, that's fine, that's your business, but for the love of god don't go around belittling people who care. Going on full frontal personal attack mode and going the "entitled, disgusting, sad, pathetic gamer" route and claiming the other one being childish afterwards is not the way to be credible.
@Dr_Lugae If you want to play everything the game has to offer, you have to basically pay twice the amount of a regular 3DS game with the limited edition, and even more if you couldn't get your hands on it seeing how it sold out everywhere extremely fast with scalpers upping the price even more on auction sites right now.
I'm just comparing the price to an average 3DS game's price. They didn't have to split the game into two separate parts (and the third Revelations path), they could have just gone the usual route and given the whole game in one release, but they decided to reap even more money from the fans who don't want to miss on anything with this game. It doesn't make the game itself bad, but it does come out as greedy.
At least with Pokemon the major difference isn't that you're missing out on whole story arcs, it's just the small amount of different Pokemon you can trade with the one owning the other version. Can't do that with Fates.
@Dr_Lugae I was pointing the facts, nothing more. I would also say that there's a difference in doing that without any hostility towards anyone, and going in full personal attack mode towards someone.
@Syrek24 Amen to everything, huh? Even that part with "If someone liked the game, good for them, If not, leave them alone" ? That's weird coming from you, seeing those few posts earlier.
@manu0 I didn't mean it like that, per se, it's just that when people were claiming that "this game has so much content that it's justifiable to split it into two separate games", that's just a bunch of hogwash. The limited edition proves that everything the game has to offer could have been sold as a single release with all the content on one cartridge.
@Syrek24 If you're fine with denying facts, then be my guest. Nothing I said in my earlier post is false. I'm not saying the game itself is bad, the way they released it and butchered its western version is what sucks.
What's new and different is that you have to pay twice the price for a game that perfectly fits into one cartridge, and you get censorship, removed content and removed original voice acting with it.
I can't believe that the one great new game by Sega themselves they are going to release properly in the US wasn't even being planned for release in here. Honestly made me legit mad. At least they didn't completely rule it out, but I fear for the worst. Sega is one company that shouldn't get away with a belated, digital-only release with all of their prior 3DS games being released in here properly in retail form.
These old commercials have that awesome feeling in them, even though you might have never seen them when they were relevant. Especially those Capcom ones with drawn animations with huge amount of atmosphere in them, makes me miss the times when commercials used to look like this.
I would gladly see more these kinds of promotional campaigns from Nintendo. But in the US the amount of JRPGs is even greater, and arguably, the lack of EU announcement for 7th Dragon III Code VDF is a serious problem. That game needs to come over here and also be paired with this particular campaign.
I'm still salty about the cancellation of Legends 3. It was well on its way to become something great, and then they just pulled the plug on the whole thing.
Inti Creates is keeping the spirit of MMZ games alive with Gunvolt now, so I'm not expecting anything good MM-related from Capcom anymore unless they somehow can make Legends 3 happen the way it was supposed to, but that's not going to happen.
The ability to get an actual physical product for your money, being able to have it on your shelf among all the other games. I think it ultimately boils down to that. There have been many cases (Rune Factory 4, Digimon Cyber Sleuth) when I've been noticeably disappointed by the fact that I can't have such great games in my shelf next to the other masterpieces of games I happen to own because they have been digital-only games in my region.
Come on, we already have some games that are cross-buy between 3DS and WiiU. They should give the N3DS versions for free for those who already own the WiiU versions.
Nintendo movies? I'd be alright with that. Made in Hollywood? Hell no. I just can't see anything but disaster thinking about it. I hope that they can come up with some anime adaptations in Japan if they're aiming for that, but otherwise, just... no.
This pricing is just greedy. It wouldn't be a problem if all the other GB games wouldn't be around 3-6€ each, they just know people are going to buy these games way more than others so they ramped up the price. Not really sure if I want to get any of these at launch, if the price would have been similar to the other ones I could have bought both Blue and Yellow with a smile Day One.
@Yorumi
"What really bothers me so much about the direction this series is going is that they're practically turning it into an eroge."
"At this point there's less suggestive material in a HDN game than FE."
Excuse me, but... what? That just doesn't make any sense. How is a head patting mini game in any way comparable to all the suggestive and straight up raunchy stuff present in eroges? I think you're exaggerating by generalising a bit here.
Please mae the old style available again. Quite frankly I'm not feeling it at all with this new style, makes everything look clustered. A simple option switch to choose either the old or this new style would make wonders and everyone happy. You could also monitor the usage of both themes to see which one users prefer.
Just my two cents, would really love to have the option for the old layout.
Not only one, but two JRPG demos. Awesome. I'm still miffed about Bravely Second's content editing, but at least it's not on the levels of FE Fates. Stella Glow looks intriguing in almost every way (other than not Japanese voice acting when all the songs are in Japanese, like come on). Pretty sure I'm gonna get both at some point.
@Pod
I'm trying to imagine how the actual developers would feel about this. Things they made and poured their time and effort into getting edited and removed even though they were in the final release in their own country.
I should just go to sleep, I haven't been this mad over a game for a while. I just can't fathom why this is a thing in a time we live in, AND there's a huge group of people actually supporting all this, rather than calling out Nintendo's bullcrap policies.
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Re: Adventure Labyrinth Story Begins Its Quest on the 3DS eShop Soon
This game series is definitely worth a try if you like RPGs like Atelier. Despite the modest production values, Adventure Bar Story was ridiculously charming and comfy to play, and is worth way more than it's 5€ price tag. And I'm willing to bet this game will be at least just as good, seeing how I played the original when it was available for Vita on PS Mobile.
If you are curious even a tiniest bit, buy it Day One to support RideOn and Circle. It's not worth it to wait for a sale worth of 1-2€.
Re: Review: 7th Dragon III Code: VFD (3DS)
@PanzerNomad
They even confirmed that their releases would go both physical and digital, 7th Dragon and SMT IV:A included.
Re: Review: 7th Dragon III Code: VFD (3DS)
@PanzerNomad
Yesterday it was announced that Atlus and Deep Silver have made a publishing deal for Atlus and select Sega games for Europe, and the first game that's coming out of that deal is indeed 7th Dragon. So it's coming here, still no word about when, but it's happening and the info should be coming out in the coming weeks, according to Deep Silver. So no worries.
Re: New Atlus and SEGA Publishing Deal is Great News For European Gamers
The fact they straight up confirmed really quickly how they are going to release all games in both retail and digital is a huge plus for everyone involved. Finally I don't have to fear for these games to be brought over sloppily or not at all, I can just safely place my pre-orders and get hyped for the release dates when they come up.
This news made my day and I haven't been this relieved in a long while. Thank you, Deep Silver.
Re: Azure Striker Gunvolt 2 Launches in North America on 30th September
@MitchVogel Yeah, Gunvolt 2 was announced in a Nintendo Direct for both US and EU a good time back.
Re: Azure Striker Gunvolt 2 Launches in North America on 30th September
The first Gunvolt with all its contents intact would definitely be my favorite eShop title ever, and seeing how they show footage of the first game with voice acting, I guess including the cut content is finally going to happen.
So buying the double pack when it comes to EU.
Re: 7th Dragon III Code: VFD is Getting a Demo on the North American eShop
Don't mind me, I'll just be here in Europe and cry.
Re: Fans Create Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Patch Which Uncensors Western Censorship
Hoo boy, another round of censorship apologists flaming away. Nothing new, I see.
Re: Nintendo Download: 30th June (Europe)
I'm one more person who bought ZTD for Vita as an US import because of Aksys not making a publishing deal with any EU publisher with it, which I think was a very sucky move. I get that they want all the profit from the release to themselves, but since they can't handle even a limited retail release in here, it leaves many fans feeling ignored. Add to this the usual hardships when it comes to importing US games (possible custom fees, the delay between the delivery and the arrival when compared to buying from a domestic store) and it's not difficult to see why people want to have retail releases of games in their region.
Especially with 3DS the situation is extremely bitter, seeing the asking price is the same you could buy a physical copy with online. Of course you have to wait a good while for it to arrive and all that... really disappointed in Aksys with their release strategy with a game series that had such a large portion of it's fanbase from EU in the Operation Bluebird movement.
Re: Sega Placing "Huge Emphasis On Quality" With Future Sonic Titles
How about placing huge emphasis on quality publishing of games other than Sonic in Europe? Because that is something that needs improvement and fast.
Re: Let Yacht Club Games Know What Game You'd Like Next
I would love to have a Mario RPG style game from Yacht Club with the same kind of care and attention that was given to Shovel Knight. It would have potential to be something truly spectacular.
Re: Head of Sonic Team Explains Why Dr. Robotnik Started Going by "Eggman"
Should have just called him Eggman from the very beginning. A very silly-billy move by the western side to change things without telling the original dev team. At least it's been fixed for a long time now.
Re: Yacht Club Games Bringing Azure Striker Gunvolt And Its Sequel To Retail In Australia
@SaKo
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Works wonders as a wallpaper.
Re: Yacht Club Games Bringing Azure Striker Gunvolt And Its Sequel To Retail In Australia
If this comes out in Europe, it will nbe a Day One buy. I absolutely adore Gunvolt.
That is, if they could finally manage to bring back the cut voice acting and dialogue scenes for the 3DS original. Still waiting for that one. At least it's plausible to think that the updated version is included in the Striker Pack, but it should come available for anyone who purchased the original from the eShop when it came out.
Re: First Impressions: Kicking It With Kunio-kun in River City: Tokyo Rumble
I'm glad they are finally ditching the americanized names and keeping the originals. It's nice to see the old ones as easter eggs of sorts, but going with the original names is the way to go nowadays.
Re: Hands On: Digging into Harvest Moon: Skytree Village
This looks way better than Lost Valley. But it's not really saying much. At least I'm way more likely to get this game despite it being the fake Harvest Moon game, this at least has some of the charm from the actual series.
Re: Video: New Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Story Trailer Sets the Scene Rather Nicely
People wouldn't complain about censorship in these games if they weren't interested in them. Of course when something that interests people gets tampered with, people are going to voice their concern about it. I was hyped when the project was initially announced, lost a lots of it when it turned out to be what it currently is, and lost interest and willingness to support it completely when the "localization" changes were made public.
I'm, in turn, sick of all the people who complain about censorship posts in articles about games that are heavily related to it. Just because you happen to be OK with the changes made with the game, doesn't mean everyone else should be. The "if you were a fan you wouldn't complain" card is one of the most idiotic things one could ever use in situations like these.
Re: Review: Kirby: Planet Robobot (3DS)
This is how you make a new game on a franchise - take everything the fans love about it, and fine-tune / expand it. Looking forward to get this game at one point or another, when my backlog isn't as huge as it currently is.
Re: Nintendo Download: 26th May (Europe)
Now those NISA sale prices are something out of this world. Like whoa, never would have expected that level of price drops.
Had they been digital-only games, I would jump to get those all, but seeing there are physical versions available, I really have to think about if I'm OK missing out on them in favor of these way cheaper digital versions.
Re: Guide: What's New And Different In Fire Emblem Fates?
@JaxonH Like I said, I think it pretty much boils down to marketing. Had they gone the route of clearly explaining Birthright and Conquest being two separate games without the shared opening chapters from the beginning, I think people would have gone the "okay, they're pulling the Oracle way of things, I see" route. Seeing how even to this release date some people were confused about how the different paths and buying them worked, I don't think they did a good job with it. Like I said earlier, implying that there's a choice in the game that branches the paths and it in the end appearing to be a separately sold part of the game in addition to the once purchased game is the thing that pissed a lot of people off, I believe.
And then there's the matter of the limited edition - everything on one cartridge, no confusion about everything, you pay for this one and you get everything. No need to buy any additional stuff on top of the single game purchase. This was made available, but only in very limited fashion. Why was this, exactly? Why not just release the game solely in this form?
Re: Guide: What's New And Different In Fire Emblem Fates?
@JaxonH Define this "triple sized game". Games come in all sorts of lengths, how is one exactly "triple sized"? Do you mean to the usual size of a Fire Emblem game? The upcoming Dragon Quest 7 is easily over 80 hours without side quests, and it is sold as a single game, like it should be. I think it compared pretty well to Fates' total play time when you just go through the main story.
I can't deny that the Oracle games give a similar vibe, though. I wasn't in charge of my own money when those games came out, but seeing how they were marketed as separate games, I can imagine myself being content with just a single game, since I wouldn't feel like I was missing something from the game by not getting the other game (and the secret code for the Ganon boss could be gotten from a friend for free, like trading Pokemon with the owner of a different version). While with Fates, they marketed the choice the player must take in the game, while in reality it was the choice on which choice or choices to buy. But seeing how the identical beginning in each game is so short and can be easily cast aside when talking about the exclusive content in both Birthright and Conquest, I can see how the pricing may see justifiable since they pretty much are two different games for the most part.
@Dr_Lugae I don't deny that games like that exist, but there are also games that offer many possibilities from the beginning of the game to decide how to play it. When games are being marketed with the ability to make choice on how to play, consumers rightfully expect that if they buy the game, they will be able to make the choice within the game, not between two versions of the game in the store.
Maybe it all just boils down to marketing, after all. Had they been marketed as two separate games without any sort of similar content and not including a version that includes everything in a single game, people wouldn't have problem with two different versions being sold separately. Imagine if the only way Fates would have been released was the limited edition, everything on one cart, released with a little more expensive price when compared to other games, like the often frowned upon Atlus tax. I'm sure many people would have called out on Nintendo for increasing the basic price of a game like that when compared to other games, but I would have much rather seen that happen that an extremely small amount of limited editions being made available, prices of which would be more cheap than buying the more available separate entry, and having to buy two story arcs on top of that.
I get that you think the content available is worth all the money, I really do, but I think it sets a dangerous example for other companies in the future. I wouldn't be surprised if many other games would follow suit and divide themselves in separate games to be purchased separately to get everything you want from them, seeing how well Fates has been doing regarding its sales. Had I not been able to get the limited edition, I would have happily left Fates alone and would have been perfectly content with Awakening. The fact I got all the content on a single cartridge along with all the collector's edition goods made the final price for the whole package acceptable, but if I would have had to buy a single game and buy all the other storylines in addition to it, I would have left the game alone.
The game included in the limited edition should have been the one released for everyone. I think that's pretty much what I'm trying to say here.
Re: Guide: What's New And Different In Fire Emblem Fates?
@JaxonH The intent to make separate games itself is what comes out as greedy, seeing how so many RPGs before it have managed to put in several paths and routes for players to play through without the need to lock them behind a paywall. Imagine if in future all branching RPGs follow this formula - the basic path is sold as a full-priced game, and all the other ones are being sold as DLC half the price of the main game. What once was a part of RPGs including branching paths and multiple possible storylines right out of the box is locked behind a paywall in Fates. You can't deny that. It might be company's own decision, but it doesn't make it any less greedy.
Of course if you, or anyone else for that matter, is ready to pay for it, that's your own business. As it is mine, since I went and bought the limited edition myself and have been playing it for a while now. But it doesn't change the fact that the game was divided into multiple, separately sold parts to get more money. All of them being released simultaneously (with the exception of Revelations which, for now, is exclusive to the limited edition) reinforces this fact even more. There are numerous ways to sugarcoat it, but it doesn't change the truth that Intelligent Systems decided to charge fans extra for multiple choices, while other companies don't do that (yet).
Re: Guide: What's New And Different In Fire Emblem Fates?
@PlywoodStick Thanks for the info. Makes me feel a lot better knowing what kind of poster is behind those messages.
Re: Guide: What's New And Different In Fire Emblem Fates?
@Syrek24 I guess you didn't get to read that last comment I made just before you made yours. Might want to check it out, especially that second last part.
Re: Guide: What's New And Different In Fire Emblem Fates?
@JaxonH The problem was never about the file size. The problem is that the game was split into three separately sold parts even though they could have just given everything in one game, like the majority of game developers do, or did, at least.
The length of a game is irrelevant here, there are loads of games that vary in length and still ask the same price. You can argue about how much length is worth the price for as long as you want, nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't change the fact that this game could have offered everything it had with a single release, without the need to rip fans off for additional money because they knew fans want to see everything the game has to offer. I should know, I have the limited edition.
Yeah, surprised? I bought it because despite all the negative aspects of the "localization" of this game that takes all the progress made with Japanese niche games for several years backwards, I'm still interested in this game because it's Fire Emblem, and I simply wanted the cheapest option for everything. Yes, getting the limited edition in my country was actually cheaper than buying one game and all DLC to unlock all the story content, and that's not even mentioning all the additional maps. And of course Nintendo made sure to print them in such quantities that the stores stocking it sold out in 15 minutes after getting them available to pre-order. I was there, I saw it all live. I'm being part of the problem I'm trying to fight against by giving the full price for a localization job that's way below the acceptable level that the industry has reached as of today.
I can't believe I have to spell it out for third time here, but I DON'T HATE THE GAME. The gameplay has been widely praised and I'm all in for that, the way Nintendo decided to release it and act as moral guardians for consumers to decide what they can and can't see in a game centered on anime-inspired fantasy warfare with human relationships mixed in it is what sucks. Not being OK with that doesn't exclude me from liking the game itself. I'm just one of those people who doesn't like the fact that Nintendo plays a moral guardian in all of this, deciding by their own standards what's appropriate for everyone in the western world, original vision be damned. Removing and altering content just because it might offend someone who is looking at things with a skewed viewpoint is something games wouldn't have to suffer from anymore. But that's Nintendo of America for you, gotta avoid all that evil controversy, let's just remove these parts of the original product we don't find okay in here, because that's how we roll. And that's their decision.
If you don't care about the changes, that's fine, that's your business, but for the love of god don't go around belittling people who care. Going on full frontal personal attack mode and going the "entitled, disgusting, sad, pathetic gamer" route and claiming the other one being childish afterwards is not the way to be credible.
I hope I've made my point clear this time.
Re: Guide: What's New And Different In Fire Emblem Fates?
@Dr_Lugae If you want to play everything the game has to offer, you have to basically pay twice the amount of a regular 3DS game with the limited edition, and even more if you couldn't get your hands on it seeing how it sold out everywhere extremely fast with scalpers upping the price even more on auction sites right now.
I'm just comparing the price to an average 3DS game's price. They didn't have to split the game into two separate parts (and the third Revelations path), they could have just gone the usual route and given the whole game in one release, but they decided to reap even more money from the fans who don't want to miss on anything with this game. It doesn't make the game itself bad, but it does come out as greedy.
At least with Pokemon the major difference isn't that you're missing out on whole story arcs, it's just the small amount of different Pokemon you can trade with the one owning the other version. Can't do that with Fates.
Re: Guide: What's New And Different In Fire Emblem Fates?
@Dr_Lugae I was pointing the facts, nothing more. I would also say that there's a difference in doing that without any hostility towards anyone, and going in full personal attack mode towards someone.
Re: Guide: What's New And Different In Fire Emblem Fates?
@Syrek24 Amen to everything, huh? Even that part with "If someone liked the game, good for them, If not, leave them alone" ? That's weird coming from you, seeing those few posts earlier.
Re: Guide: What's New And Different In Fire Emblem Fates?
@manu0 I didn't mean it like that, per se, it's just that when people were claiming that "this game has so much content that it's justifiable to split it into two separate games", that's just a bunch of hogwash. The limited edition proves that everything the game has to offer could have been sold as a single release with all the content on one cartridge.
Re: Guide: What's New And Different In Fire Emblem Fates?
@Syrek24 If you're fine with denying facts, then be my guest. Nothing I said in my earlier post is false. I'm not saying the game itself is bad, the way they released it and butchered its western version is what sucks.
Re: Guide: What's New And Different In Fire Emblem Fates?
What's new and different is that you have to pay twice the price for a game that perfectly fits into one cartridge, and you get censorship, removed content and removed original voice acting with it.
Someone had to say it.
Re: 7th Dragon III Code: VFD Won't Be Coming to Europe for Now
I can't believe that the one great new game by Sega themselves they are going to release properly in the US wasn't even being planned for release in here. Honestly made me legit mad. At least they didn't completely rule it out, but I fear for the worst. Sega is one company that shouldn't get away with a belated, digital-only release with all of their prior 3DS games being released in here properly in retail form.
Re: Video: Here's A Bunch Of Retro Japanese Game Commercials, Just Because
These old commercials have that awesome feeling in them, even though you might have never seen them when they were relevant. Especially those Capcom ones with drawn animations with huge amount of atmosphere in them, makes me miss the times when commercials used to look like this.
Re: Super Smash Bros. 1.1.6 Patch Is Landing Soon On Wii U And 3DS
Why is the 3DS patch so much larger? Is it plausible to hope that they would finally add an intro cinematic to that version, too?
Re: NIS America No Longer Publishing Atlus Games In Europe
Seeing how Sega has handled 7th Dragon for 3DS in Europe thus far, I'm more than afraid for the future.
Re: Splatoon to Arrive on 3DS Under the Name "Splatoon Legends"
"Not to do so would make you quite a fool."
Oh. OH. OOOOOOOOOH!
Re: Sonic Boom: Fire & Ice Confirmed for 30th September in Europe
And still no mention of EU release of 7th Dragon for 3DS. Come on Sega, you're so much more than just Sonic.
Re: Video: SEGA Shows Off Three Neat Locations for Time Travel in 7th Dragon III Code: VFD
@Retron So far, nothing. And it's really pissing me off.
Re: Video: Nintendo UK Would Like To Remind You That The 3DS Has Some Amazing RPGs In 2016
I would gladly see more these kinds of promotional campaigns from Nintendo. But in the US the amount of JRPGs is even greater, and arguably, the lack of EU announcement for 7th Dragon III Code VDF is a serious problem. That game needs to come over here and also be paired with this particular campaign.
Re: New Capcom Survey Points to Potential Future Plans for the Mega Man IP
I'm still salty about the cancellation of Legends 3. It was well on its way to become something great, and then they just pulled the plug on the whole thing.
Inti Creates is keeping the spirit of MMZ games alive with Gunvolt now, so I'm not expecting anything good MM-related from Capcom anymore unless they somehow can make Legends 3 happen the way it was supposed to, but that's not going to happen.
Re: Poll: Are You Ready to Download More of Your Retail Games From the eShop?
The ability to get an actual physical product for your money, being able to have it on your shelf among all the other games. I think it ultimately boils down to that. There have been many cases (Rune Factory 4, Digimon Cyber Sleuth) when I've been noticeably disappointed by the fact that I can't have such great games in my shelf next to the other masterpieces of games I happen to own because they have been digital-only games in my region.
Re: SNES Games Finally Arriving on the New Nintendo 3DS Virtual Console
Come on, we already have some games that are cross-buy between 3DS and WiiU. They should give the N3DS versions for free for those who already own the WiiU versions.
Re: Nintendo Should Follow In Marvel's Footsteps And Produce Its Own Hollywood Movies, Say Producers
Nintendo movies? I'd be alright with that.
Made in Hollywood? Hell no. I just can't see anything but disaster thinking about it. I hope that they can come up with some anime adaptations in Japan if they're aiming for that, but otherwise, just... no.
Re: Pokémon Red, Blue And Yellow European Pricing Is Confirmed
This pricing is just greedy. It wouldn't be a problem if all the other GB games wouldn't be around 3-6€ each, they just know people are going to buy these games way more than others so they ramped up the price. Not really sure if I want to get any of these at launch, if the price would have been similar to the other ones I could have bought both Blue and Yellow with a smile Day One.
Re: Video: Nintendo's Latest Fire Emblem Fates Presentation Focuses on Relationships and Classes
@Yorumi
"What really bothers me so much about the direction this series is going is that they're practically turning it into an eroge."
"At this point there's less suggestive material in a HDN game than FE."
Excuse me, but... what? That just doesn't make any sense. How is a head patting mini game in any way comparable to all the suggestive and straight up raunchy stuff present in eroges? I think you're exaggerating by generalising a bit here.
Re: Site News: Welcome To The Brand New Nintendo Life!
Please mae the old style available again. Quite frankly I'm not feeling it at all with this new style, makes everything look clustered. A simple option switch to choose either the old or this new style would make wonders and everyone happy. You could also monitor the usage of both themes to see which one users prefer.
Just my two cents, would really love to have the option for the old layout.
Re: Nintendo Download: 11th February (Europe)
Not only one, but two JRPG demos. Awesome. I'm still miffed about Bravely Second's content editing, but at least it's not on the levels of FE Fates. Stella Glow looks intriguing in almost every way (other than not Japanese voice acting when all the songs are in Japanese, like come on). Pretty sure I'm gonna get both at some point.
Re: Nintendo Outlines Future Plans for 3DS and Promises That "Several Strong Titles" are Planned
I just hope that the possible success of Digimon Cyber Sleuth would make the localization of Digimon World ReDigitize for 3DS possible.
Re: Video: Bravely Second Jobs Trailer Features Deadly Desserts And Catmancery
Yep, they are afraid to show the Tomahawk class. I just hope the other two ones were left out because of possible spoilers, not because of editing.
Re: Fire Emblem Fates Removes 'Petting' Feature in Western Localisation
@Pod
I'm trying to imagine how the actual developers would feel about this. Things they made and poured their time and effort into getting edited and removed even though they were in the final release in their own country.
I should just go to sleep, I haven't been this mad over a game for a while. I just can't fathom why this is a thing in a time we live in, AND there's a huge group of people actually supporting all this, rather than calling out Nintendo's bullcrap policies.