Fans Create Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Patch Which Uncensors Western Censorship

I wouldn't care enough to risk any of that but at least it's an option for those truly upset by the changes.

This is actually pretty cool to see. I probably won't install it when I pick up the game next month, but I always think it's neat whenever fans experiment with Nintendo's products.

I really wish people would stop crying “I don’t want games to be censored” or “the way it was meant to be played.”
I would really find fan reaction a lot less questionable if people straight up came out to say “I want games to appeal to my physical predilections so I can get my jollies.”

It's sad, if not troubling, how far some lonely people will go to enjoy the sight of virtual, polygonal skin.

@CharlieSmile kthnxbai

@CharlieSmile It's more about the fact they don't want the censorship to be worst.

While I'm not against patches like this (I support everyone being able to play how they want to play a game), I do wonder where this recent fixation of censorship came from. I didn't hear anyone complain that Kefka's English dialogue didn't match the Japanese one...

Get the removed dungeon or whatever patched in and I might actually be on board.

@CharlieSmile Except that there are cases that a lot more content than just 'graphics' are censored.

It's impossible to do this with your physical disc, so it's pointless at the moment if you ask me.

I'm glad. Fans who think the developers' intention or vision has been altered by the "localisation" process can enjoy the game the way they want. I never saw the point in changing so much for this release, considering people who purchase it probably already understand the cultural differences between Japan and the west.

I have trouble grasping the point of this. The game is perfectly fine as it is (aside of the missing subs for battle banter ^^). I doubt there was much "artistic intent" involved with those bikinis, and I don't think they will add anything to the game.
Japan differs significantly from the "West" on issues like age of consent, and as such, any changes in that regard are pretty much legit in my book.

Much ado about nothing.

Won't work for those who bought the disc version, damn. Can't afford to double dip anymore either.

can we have one for xenoblade now, i want bigger boobs

Not you too, NL. It's not censorship when it's the decision of the people funding the project. Terminology matters.

(waits for the inevitable pro-censorship accusations)

glad to see Nintendolife supporting Loadiine hack

"Completely redid Chapter 2 and a few other small files to return references to Gravure Modelling, this also uses the original voice files."

That's the big one, there. Nintendo/Atlus did not just censor this section, they paid their employees to spend time and energy making significant changes, play test them to make sure the changes function properly, and reiterating that process (while dealing with any bugs) until completion; all because of the insistence Nintendo has on maintaining a certain stance on handling any commentary of sexuality (or at least outside of Japan). It would have taken a lot less work if Nintendo/Atlus just didn't bother changing the content targeted by this patch in the first place.

Those workers could have been doing something productive with their time and energy (or given a vacation), but instead, they were called upon to "sanitize" a completed project to fulfill some arbitrary criteria. That's the real issue here, not this fake controversy about skimpy imagery. (Which doesn't actually involve any sexual acts.)

So I say good work to those involved with cleaning up the mess that Nintendo/Atlus (outside of Japan) had their workers make.

I know some people find little point in this since they don't care about any localised/censored changes, but I wish people would appreciate that this is actually fairly commendable no matter what the intent is. If fans care enough to do this then good for them and I hope they're happy doing this for themselves and other people who might want to look into it.

Imo I find little point in making fun of them about it. Just don't be a nit about it.

And people said very little was changed in the Western version. Well this proves those people wrong.

Fair play to those guys for making a stand and doing what Nintendon't.

@PlywoodStick Having gotten through chapter 2 in TMS, I definitely agree with you on Nintendo's avoiding social commentary. While I've been indifferent to or in favor of the past localization changes due to my personal beliefs and/or the fact that they didn't impact the main game, I do think people are a little more justified in crying foul on the changes this time. Some of the changes now don't work as well in plot context such as in the chapter 2 dungeon where the boss makes a comment about how Tsubasa's outfit along with her poses are suggestive and inappropriate yet those were changed so they weren't, and it also doesn't work along with (from my observations and interpretation of the chapter) the chapter's general themes of Tsubasa learning to feel more comfortable in her body and commentating on society's constant objectification of idols. If they're gonna make developers recode outfit changes, they can afford to rewrite the script so that it makes sense with those changes.

And the canned dlc literally doesn't make sense since it would literally be extra money for Nintendo for people who want it.

Well, I've often been dismissive of those complain about localisation changes but I guess at least these guys are doing something about it and if encourages more folks to buy the game then I guess that's a good thing?

I can understand when people are upset about content being changed that affects the gameplay, but it baffles me that so many people are upset about the very slight changes they made to the cutscenes. When it goes to that extent, it seems like just a group of teenage boys who were embarrassed to buy a game which focuses on pop idol girls but are trying to justify buying it because of boobs. I watched a video displaying the changes they made in the "Feel" cutscene and I honestly didn't notice a difference the first time I watched it, but 95% of the people commenting on the video were outraged by the censorship of it, saying that there's nothing left to enjoy in the game.

When it comes to content being changed, I personally just try to avoid reading about what was changed so I can enjoy the game for what it is and not have any biases going into it.

@CapricornDavid And back then a lot of "censorship" was just...the game didn't come out! Patching seems like a step up from that, at least. Cheaper than modding/importing too!

@Syrek24 That's right, it's not a big deal... So why did Nintendo/Atlus (most likely at Nintendo's behest) have their workers spend their valuable time and energy changing any of this in the first place?

@CharlieSmile If you liked girls you'd understand.

And Hackers save the day once again. I feel so much better knowing that Nintendo's draconian censoring practices have now been nulled.

This is awesome for all of you who were going to not buy this solely due to the censorship... DON'T IGNORE IT. Buy the game! And make it known you used the patch. Better chances of a great game getting a better sequel (just look at Atlus and their sequels, they consistently improve on what came before). If you wanted the game but wouldn't get it due to censorship, here's the perfect counterargument. Support the devs!

@LemonSlice
Since the ice is broken and the topic was brought up, I do like girls.
But I like real girls, not pixels and polygons. If I want eye candy, I have the ability to look elsewhere, not a game. Much less a game with protagonists under the age of consent.

I don't know why people are defending censorship. It is not acceptable. Censorship should not be tolerated in any form. No other developer treats their customers like children. I don't know why Nintendo can't make the censorship optional like everyone else does. You can turn off blood in many games so Nintendo should take that approach.

@CharlieSmile It's not just about showing skin for sake of virtual titillation. It's about the idea that Western audiences shouldn't be allowed to see any hints of skin. It's about accepting a Japanese cultural product and recognizing how Japanese culture differs from ours. And it's about showing Nintendo that we don't want them messing with their games out of a misguided view of what Western audiences want and can or can't handle.

They didn't only alter costumes to hide skin, they also completely changed an entire dungeon where the entire theme of it in the Japanese version is completely lost in the Western release, to the point where it's a waste of space and a confusing and poorly implemented storyline. Conversations are changed in poor ways, etc. It's not just about skin. It's about changing dialogue, ages, entire story content, because they think a Western audience can't handle certain themes (beyond sexual ones). That's not okay.

@CharlieSmile me and my fiancé enjoys seeing these kinds of stuff so we usually see them together

Really? People in the comment section are not celebrating the fact that dedicated fans are showing Nintendo that we gamers are mature enough to view some pair of 3D breasts and we gladly want the game to be as the original but in English because we pay for it with our hard earned money? They call this childish.? Just what is going on with this world...

They can censor every angle of female body parts, suggestive dialogues, entire religion references and whatever and western gamers these days view this atrocity purely as "localization".

But let them censor one bit of blood in a game and its CENSORSHIP THE WORST OF THEM ALL.

Thanks to dedicated fans like this group I might just buy the game because that is what I want to give my money for, an UNCENSORED gaming experience. Hopefully they can give Xenoblade Chronicles X soon the same treatment and all the other unfortunate games plagued by censorship.

@TadpoleSHero "It's about the idea that Western audiences shouldn't be allowed to see any hints of skin."
It's actually more about how the west has different standards of consent and underage behavior (for understandable reasons), and that should be respected - fictional or not.

@UCRBoxing whaaat the hell dude. Why the poop did this have to turn into gay bashing? You just have to be a jerk. Wtf is wrong with you?

@UCRBoxing @mods can we give this jerk a temp ban or something?

The problem I have with the whole censorship thing is that it's really more of an artistic thing. The team who created this game obvious had a certain idea in mind when creating it, and the localisation obviously doesn't stay true to that original vision in certain areas. I think Nintendo and Atlus need to understand that audiences in other regions who purchase their games, especially ones like #FE, probably already have the prior knowledge needed to understand the cultural context of the game. Am I secretly a fetishist with a thing for little polygonal girls? Obviously not. I just think that, on some level, entertainment products are art, and that these products from other regions of the world shouldn't get censored, even if it comes from within the publisher. Generally, people should be more aware and understanding of the differences in values around the world.
But, at the end of the day, it's just a video game, so enjoy it however you like.

_{Watch your language~ Undead}

REPORT AND IGNORE, PEOPLE. REPORT & IGNORE.

People can do what they want, as long as they let me do things how I want to and they don't criticize me for it.

@Dakt Oh sorry my fault for respecting the idea of the age of consent.

I think I prefer the altered version as it looks better to me and I would probably feel way more weirded out otherwise ;^^.

Still I wouldn't mind if there were a option for either the altered version or the original version :+).

@CharlieSmile Dude, they out right ruined the potrayal of two characters just for censorship. Tsubasa being the most obvious. She's a girly girl yet in a chapter about self expression they make her dress in gangster cloths and act like a tomboy gangster. That's completely out of character.

And age and consent? She's seventeen, wearing a Bikini in a T rated japanese game. Even if the age was changed to 18 it wouldn't make much of a difference.

Gotta love the people upset that they now have an option. Patch and not have a censored game or leave it alone and have a censored game. Seriously? If you want your game censor, then don't do anything but now people have an option. This doesn't affect you in anyway so quit crying about nothing happening to you.

@UCRBoxing it is an article about video games. Would you have the same opinion if all the characters are gay? What delusional world do you live in where you are the victim here. You are spreading hate for no reason.

@UCRBoxing you are what's wrong with the world.

@Xaldin play Chapter 2, get to the boss and tell me that Tsubasa does not feel out of character because of the change

Takedown notice in 3...2...1...

@Syrek24 play Chapter 2, get to the boss and tell me that Tsubasa, a girly girl, does not feel out of character because of the change

@UCRBoxing who brain washed you? You parents? Fox News? Donald Trump? You have no idea what you are talking about. Take your bigotry elsewhere.

@Syrek24 clothing isn't the only problem. They made her act like a tomboy. A gangster. That's the main problem and is the result of the censorship. It is essentially ruins her portrayal especially when the chapter was about self-expression and that was not her expressing herself doing those weird gangster signs. She's a bubbly, cutesy girl. Not a drugs and guns girl. I don't care if they gave her a hawaian beach dress. If it means keeping her in character then I say why the hell not.

I like this. A lot. As soon as I grab this game, I know what I'm gonna (try to) do.

EDIT: I was gonna try to make a joke, but I forgot to earlier, so I'll do it now, a joke that will probably be seen by absolutely no one.
GET YOUR TORCHES! GET YOUR TORCHES HERE! CAN'T HAVE AN ANGRY MOB WITHOUT TORCHES!

Awesome job! Now there's a option to play a truer version and the people who need protecting and are afraid of women can play it too.

@UCRBoxing you are the one who started bashing homosexuality without reason you chowder head

@CharlieSmile why would people stop saying things that are true? Not wanting games to be censored and thinking the original way creators did their game is the way it should be played are perfectly valid opinions.
Apparently, you not only want to impose your views on game content, you also want to censor people's opinion about that process? Who the Hell are you to tell others what they should do out of their lives? Don't like it? Ignore it, and let artists and their fans enjoy their freedom. It's because of your kind that people are getting more and more hostile.

@Zanark I'm holding out for the Wii u's final firmware update. Then I'll jailbreak it and play the original with the hot springs dlc intact with a translation patch. All for free.

@Simbabbad she is mad because as usual the ugly people hate the hot ones.

@Syrek24 Laugh all you want but you are the real deluded and pathetic person here who apparently blindly defends censorship in the entertainment medium not realizing that these kind of practices are outright destroying the freedom of creative expression of developers in video games.

Of course if you're a social justice idiot and or a youtube radical femenist then this is exactly what you want to achieve. If you want to play censored games then go ahead let them publishers decide what you are allowed to watch and play and pay upfront cause i sure won't blindly defend this atrocity.

@DiscoGentleman I'm smacking that dead horse! Like the guys with this patch and their horse! Woo booze

I'm just here to marvel at modders' ingenuity and skills. Next thing I know are things go crazy. And, as someone who does know a little bit about Idols and such, Chapter 2 here seems kind of out of place. Someone made a really good point about Disney stars who would shoot for something like playboy and how crazy that would seem here. Look at Lindsay Lohan. Granted she had gone completely bonkers by that time.

@Yalaa Wooton let's reel it in here. People are allowed to pay for what they want here. Now it's probably not right people are saying a patch like this is pointless, bit it's also probably not right to slam someone for...well buying the games they want ya know? You do yours they do theirs.

Nintendo Life needs to stop posting articles like these. The comment section turns ugly quickly anytime the topic of censorship and/or sexuality is mentioned.

Ah mods how I missed you!(now I want mods for pokken)

Welcome to the Internet! Where we have serious and civil discussions!

Will they ever learn?

@Syrek24 your hope is to piss people off?? well no surprise there with your attention seeking fake illness. you're the saddest person ever, but alas i don't pity you, i only laugh, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!

@UCRBoxing aren't you a ignorant box of stupid im sorry but in no way did anti homosexuality relate to the topic in any way. Diseases can come from anything not just those who prefer the same sex, Its not some mental illness.

I am not lesbian or etc but your comment was very random and uncalled for.

That's really awesome. I don't care enough to try it, but I'm happy that those who want to play the game as intended can.

@TruenoGT ATLUS are the creators of this game, Nintendo only published and censored it.

@Undead I understand why you deleted my language but why did you leave up his gay bashing? Surely this site isn't pro gay bashing? You should delete him.

@BLPs I was just thinking that this thread might not be good for your liver.

This one article got mii working over time...thanks everyone.

@faint And I just banned him, will be removing all of his comments as well.

theres still fanservice in this game and hell i saw kiria thong and you can still see 4 hot wafus racks in nice views

@Undead_terror thank you

@Vineleaf Oh Ive got my buddy Jack with me in a glass. The nuisance room next door full of horded....stuff and restless nights will soon be gone XDThen I move to a new place....with more space for Jack.

You peoples need to calm your butts. -w-

Censorship advocates getting annoyed about a patch that doesn't affect them in the slightest... what a shock.

This is great news. Always good for consumers to have more options.

Well now I suppose everyone is happy, and we can put this weary old screaming match to bed, lest our voices grow any more horse.

//Scrolls up page//

...Yup. Everyone. Happy...

Nice for those complaining about the changes, hope it will convince them to get the game. I won't use the patch because I could not care less about playing with changes in pixels.

Now, if it were a butched up story like the good old days, we would have another story. I haven't purchased Bravely Second due to that - I'm still on the fence.

And for the people saying this is the same thing as XCX.... let's remember that Lin was 13. Not 17 or 18. She was not even in high school. Tsubasa's, at least, is 17.

@Syrek24
"Your petty nature and child like attitude over something quite asinine is both astounding and disturbing."

"My hope is to p@## people like you or other anti censorship individuals off"

I'm loathe to use the word hypocrite, so I'll just let you contemplate these two statements you've made and their problem in relation to each other.

Once again. You guys never cease to disappoint me.

@PanurgeJr You're right, what you describe is self-censorship, which is still censorship.

@Syrek24 I only really get pissed about people's lives being ruined... Basically stuff that has nothing to do with gaming. Honestly, I don't really mind the censorship regarding clothing so much; it's actually kind of endearing to see what companies will come up with, like censoring beer to apple juice. What I am concerned about, is companies making their workers spend their valuable time and energy on something unnecessary, creating arbitrary reasons for surgical changes and omissions on significant portions of games, instead of creating something new, or something to add on to an existing product, or even just giving them a little vacation.

Nintendo (outside of Japan, at least) just seems to have this strange fascination with being overly PC as of late. Even some of the people working for Nintendo will sometimes exert PC influence over the direction of a localization, which creates more work for their coworkers. Maybe Nintendo/Atlus just definitely wanted to avoid the M rating... But they badly miscalculated. The message in the story is supposed to be a mature one, younger teenagers aren't necessarily going to grasp the subject matter as well as older teens and up. Just seems like a badly miscalculated case of audience targeting.

But hey, if people enjoy the game for what it is, that's fine. It's a good thing, though, for people to have options on how they experience a game. So I would consider the hack a good thing, and a job well done.

@PlywoodStick What's the message of the story? Just interested.

@CharlieSmile You're basically saying "stop liking what I don't like". Why do you even care...

@LUIGITORNADO If that's true, then since self-censorship is often a very good thing, censorship is sometimes a very good thing. Is that really an argument you wish to make?

@Ralizah Nope. People who realize that the business decisions involved in localization aren't censorship are annoyed that reactionary, neo-GamerGate everything-is-censorship folks are going to start up again, and that it will continue to be obnoxious.

Now that the Youtube comments have been wiped off the walls (thanks Undead_terror), we can now get back to our usual halftime break between mudslinging competitions: actually talking about the article and the contents within!

...Anyways, I just want to get it out of me that I'm really glad some fans took the time to do this. They felt that some changes to the game were made that they didn't like, but Nintendo and co. felt were necessary to make the game more appealing, of which many fans had voiced dissenting opinions about, but their points have apparently been falling on deaf ears at NoA.

Probably because they keep calling it "censorship," even though that's not actually what's happening here - not even close, and it's a lot easier to tune people out when they clearly don't even understand the words they're saying. But that's neither here nor there.

The fact is that the fans felt strongly about the issue. Enough to start restoring the changed content and make it available for other fans via internet-distributed patches. Which, like I said, are bound to get Nintendo's attention FAR more readily than any tweet or blog post. Almost panic-inducing, even. They can't have fans messing with their games and potentially enabling piracy. Those patches will be taken down, but either way, Nintendo will know exactly how everyone feels on the issue, and if they're smart, they'll be more cautious about localization changes from now on.

@-Red- Looking it up will give you a complete answer, but basically, the message is Persona-like. The Persona series deals with deep psychological issues, especially relating to young people and interpersonal issues, along with the classic SMT occult/mythological/historical references peppered in. (Which is why it resonates so much with so many people now.) TMS, in particular, deals with the societal fascination of idols (especially teenage ones), which has especially risen to prominence in Japan, the USA, and other relatively wealthy countries. Many people today are obsessed with celebrity figures, and TMS intends to hone in on this, in particular the singer and Gravure idol industries in Japan. Gravure is infamous for modeling young women, and under 20 (adult age in Japan) individuals especially... All the better if they're, shall we say, well proportioned ones, and, well, idolizing them through marketing in amazingly effective ways. (Which is extremely creepy for doing that to anyone, when you think about it too much.)

But that's supposed to be the point of this story, is to get people thinking about how society is (dysfunctionally) working right now. The version outside of Japan destroys that message pertaining to the Gravure industry in particular, not just simply censoring it, but removing all references to it as part of the story's commentary, both visual and worded. This is worrisome, not because of the imagery involved, but because the authors' message through the game can be eviscerated when it gets taken over by others who control localization processes.

And the hackers save the day once again. Suck it, Nintendo.

@naut you clearly didnt read the full article that the code can also cause harm to you re system

@Undead_terror No problem.

Who's ready for more stability?

Salty people just to get pleasure for their sexual desires.

@Camilla That is the part that concerns me. I'm 30 hours in and the changed content has not bothered me (I even prefer the new costumes), but I guess some may not feel the same as I do. While I admire the commitment some of these fans have to restore the content I feel what you have said is also important. Any alterates to your system and the game's data files that is not allowed by the publish/developer can risk bricking your system or getting you banned from online play (even other titles). When you do these modifications you are doing them at your own risk and can and will void your system's warranty doing it and risk your Nintendo ID's standing.

Please before risking your system and account make sure you fully understand the steps and the risks you are doing to obtain this patch.

@Camilla Only if you REALLY screw up and can't follow instructions.

@Wexter The biggest risk is being criminalized for wanting options...

@PlywoodStick I used to work at a tech company very similar to Nintendo and I can tell you that changing system data without consent is against your TOS. If you mess this up this is on you not the company as they have told you not to do it and you agreed to those TOS when setting up your system.

@Camilla Clearly you didn't read the article, because it says that if you don't do it properly (which you wouldn't if you were following instructions, so what's the issue?) then you might mess up your save data for #FE, if you already have some. Says nothing about bricking your Wii U.

@PlywoodStick im not risking my system over restoring the censor stuff even though the game has fanservice in it alrdy and hell i saw kiria's thong and they didnt censor that or maiko open shirt showing her busty rack

@naut well im not going to risk it or wry about it cause im over the censor thing and just enjoy playing mirage sessions

Oh, it's digital only? Well, I would have played through the censored version first soon anyways but I won't double dip for a patch that'll get patched sooner or later anyways. Thanks for the effort, though, guys.

@naut It does not matter as altering game data (or if I understand this right you first need to alter your system data for this to even work) is against your TOS. If Nintendo catches you doing this at the very least you will be banned from the Nintendo Network.

@Camilla You do you.

Btw, does seeing Camilla's rack make anyone else wonder why, despite all the things they ripped out/censored in Fire Emblem Fates, Camilla didn't get black smoke covering her boobs eternally? Or a nice V-neck sweater?

@Wexter No one that does this ever gets banned from NN lol. You don't know what you're talking about. It's like how emulation or torrenting is "technically" against the law, but nothing ever happens to anyone who practices it.

In any case, if they did actually want to ban me — Let them. I'll take my games in their original states over playing MK8 on Nintendo's sucky network any day.

@naut camilla is above the age limit from being censored and the petting wafu thing shouldnt been in the game in the first place and even cia from hyrule warriors wasnt censore since her chest was exposed cause she above 18

@Wexter Exactly. In other words, anyone who wants this kind of option when the company doesn't expressly allow it is criminalized.

If it was just the cosmetics and the ages, then I'd consider this (well, once I eventually get the game). However, I'm not touching that gravure stuff. It's just too inappropriate for my tastes, and they made the right call to censor that particular part of the game in order to get the T rating the game was designed to receive. That stuff may fly for teenagers in Japan, but out here in the West it's just too risqué.

@naut Have you ever heard of a EULA? You agree to an EULA whenever you purchase and use software.

http://www.nahmiaslaw.com/the-eula-what-it-does-how-it-works-and-what-does-eula-even-mean/

I would not argue with someone on this who is in the tech field. Have a nice day mate.

@Camilla It's the message behind the content that's important, not just the visuals themselves. I'd even go as far as to say that censoring the skimpy outfits has nothing to do with why someone would want this option to restore the original message.

@Camilla Lol well they upped Tsubasa's age to 18 in the US release, and still censored her anyway, so that logic doesn't really apply. Plus, the "black smoke" I'm referring to is in relation to a grown woman character in #FE who has a rack the size (maybe smaller, even) as Camilla, but it's censored out by black smoke. So, again, You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Also, your "petting wafu thing shouldnt been in the game in the first place" comment just furthers shows your "fanboy-istic" naivety. Nintendo could put Bayonetta in a long skirt and blouse, make her speak like a church organ player, and change the angels/demons to lawn gnomes and you'd still probably defend Uncle Ninty to the death.

@PlywoodStick I understand. I'm just making sure people are educated about the risks of editing software/system data before they do it. If the proper steps are taken Nintendo will never be the wiser, if done wrong... well don't say I did not warn you.

@Wexter I know what a EULA is, "mate." I also work in IT — Not that that's relevant, since everyone under the sun (IT or not) knows what a "EULA" is. And guess what? People violate them and get away with it all the time lol.

Oh no not my warranty. I'm so scared.

@shaneoh
Even if you bought it digitally, you need a Loadline dump of the game. Basically saying you need to use the Loadline exploit to hack the Wii U to allow you to play games from a hard drive streaming to your Wii U via wireless connection (only current method there is, unless you happen to have one specific firmware like 1.3.5 which allows actual HDD support without streaming from PC)

@naut Then you should very well understand the risks doing this. People have ended up in a lot of trouble altering system data and companies have banned people from online play before for doing it even on different unrelated titles ( the Dark Souls II incident should still be vivid to many). This topic is going to go no where.

@BulbasaurusRex Well, that was the whole point of the Gravure idol part. It's supposed to get under your skin. It's supposed to make you think about how society is (dysfunctionally) operated for capital gain, and about the musings of the subject character herself on the matter. The world doesn't have any safe bubbles for one to hide in, no matter how much we try to create them for ourselves. Either we deal with the issues and try to mature in doing so, or attempt to psychologically protect ourselves, perhaps even entering a cognitive dissonance or state of denial. Neither way is necessarily wrong in limited amounts, but doing too much of either will begin to eat away at our psyche. The latter choice, however, is far more prone to causing that.

@naut you can clearly see tsubasa rack in her battle outfit dude that wasnt censored and also clearly you re just butthurt over certain stuff being censored in this game so grow up

@Wexter
"Companies" = Microsoft with 360.

That's pretty much it. Nintendo has never done anything throughout all the days of GBA flashcarts, DS emulation, 3DS, Wii or Wii U homebrew.

@JaxonH
Noticed that, using this patch might have to wait until after I acquire a second Wii U for modding purposes. Unfortunately that is going to be a while.

@Wexter Well, thank you for trying to help others and do the right thing.

@Camilla You're still not listening to me, what are you five? Watch this video, since you obviously can't read.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhSRGH5PVdk

"Censorship" = clickbate. It would sell less if they didn't adapt it to the western market where Japanese stuff is still mainly enjoyed by kids and families.
I don't know why people are upset by loss of bikinis, especially regarding underage girls.

@Wexter I understand the "risks" lol...I'll take my chances.

@MadAdam81 You seriously think more people are going to buy it because they took out the bikinis/breasts and re-wrote some dialog? Man, you are seriously blind lol.

@naut you re the one is making the fuss over this stuff and how about you quit trolling

@JaxonH True, but even Valve have been strict on this kind of thing in the past. I just would personally rather would not risk my currently online active Wii U and account. I will mod my system once the NX is out and my Wii U can sit comfortably offline. If other tech savvy consumers want to it is their system. I have just had to deal with people who have bricked their 3DS in the past who are not as clever so I know first hand the risks involved when you play with them.

@naut not saying you cannot just want to make sure the other anti-censorship fellows who want to give this a go understand this.

@PlywoodStick The game isn't meant to be a dark social commentary for adults like some other SMT games! It's designed for teenagers to have a fun JRPG based around J-Pop idols and supernatural invaders. They could get away with the gravure stuff in the Japanese version and still get the equivalent of a T rating over there due to their more liberal sensitivities on the subject. However, had they left it in the Western release, it would've been slapped with an M rating and alienated their primary demographic. Ultimately, they would've lost many more sales (including my own) than they would've gained from people wanting the original story unchanged. Perhaps they could've done a better job of changing it to better keep Tsubasa in character (I don't know. I haven't seen it.), but they did need to change it somehow in order to get the preferred rating.

@naut says the salty troll saying stuff about certain stuff from being censored and they didnt remove everything idiot and lets not forget theres a character that swears

_{speaking of swears, none of that here, please...-Megumi}

@shaneoh
I would love to jump into the Wii U scene, but I'm waiting to see if a full kernal exploit is developed for current firmware. Don't like the idea of hosting files to the system wirelessly. May just buy a 1.3.5 Wii U off eBay or something if a new exploit is never found.

3DS is another story though. Full Kemal access with custom VC installations for pretty much every GB, GBC, GBA, NES, TurboGrafx and SNES there is. Not to mention the emulators which run perfectly for Neo Geo, Capcom Play System 1 and 2, Neo Geo Pocket, Genesis, Sega CD, 32X, GameGear.

There's nothing like playing Garou Mark of the Wolves, Alien vs Predator, Metal Slug X, Darkstalkers, Samurai Showdown 2, 12 of the 14 Fire Emblem games in English (all but the GC/Wii entries), and even the BS Satalaview games like Zelda and Dream Runner installed as VC...

On a 3DS. Nothing like it.

@Camilla Whewww someone's triggered that they were wrong. Dang lol.

@BulbasaurusRex If you think this game's main target demographic is young teenagers then boyyyy do I have a bridge to sell you.

@PlywoodStick Now this I can agree on. That is some serious BS changes. Glad fans fixed up Chapter 2 to be what it was intended to be.

@BulbasaurusRex Are you sure that was not the developer's intention to commentate on the state of society, or at least tell an unsettling story? Or was it actually just the associated publishers meddling in their own product to fulfill some arbitrary criteria? Persona 4 sold well enough with an M rating; TMS could have done the same, if that's what it came down to. (And if TMS were marketed properly, which it wasn't at all...) Although I'm not sure that T rating would have been upped to an M rating if all they did was change the clothing to be slightly less skimpy, and age the subject characters up to at least 18.

Nintendo (outside Japan) badly miscalculated, trying to market TMS towards younger teenagers in the way you described. The sales numbers will be disappointing... Just like in Japan. (Where Nintendo also miscalculated what kind of game would perform well in their home country.)

@JaxonH Aaah, stop it! You're making me salivate!

@naut you re wrong dude seriously im not acting like a salty fool over the censorship seriously grow up

So essentially this is #PedoPatch? Whatever floats your boat I guess, as long as they're fictional characters.

@Camilla So edgy

@Camilla

@Jin15 By just assuming that everyone wants to de-censor it so they can have a pedophile fap-fest, you're the one who's sexualizing it in that way.

@naut You just keep telling yourself that.

@JaxonH
Haha, sounds awesome, just a pity that I don't play the 3DS as much as I should. Haven't finished FE:A yet, slowly working through it on my lunch breaks.

Hi there, I'm Sn0wCrack, one of the guys who helped make this patch.

I'd like to clear up a detail in your article. This patch cannot corrupt save data, it doesn't touch your saves, and saves will always work, as save files aren't locked to a specific region.

Thank you for convering our patch however.

@Jin15 Says the guy with a MLP avatar hoooooo boy.

It's cool that some people did this but reading about it seems like too much of a pain in the arse for me to bother with.

Which is a shame because of just "oh noes someone 17 in a swimsuit that never happens in reality pervs" idiotic nonsense censorship they apparently blanked up a very important part of the story which someone who is old enough to play a teen game should have no issue with.

Would have been been a lot better if NOA didn't have their head up there arse. By the way I am using arse as I don't if it is no accepted here or not. If it isn't is butt ok?

@Sn0wCrack Thank you guys so, so very much for doing such a good deed for the community, free of charge. Preserving the game's original form, and making it available to us who aren't fluent in Japanese is really something. Please ignore the idiots in this thread who attempt to discredit your work, or assert that you are some kind of pervert/fanatic.

You guys are appreciated! Keep fighting the good fight!

@Sn0wCrack Thank you all for giving the original content a second lease on life outside Japan.

@Sn0wCrack Thank you for your hard work.

I've actually had my comments altered by mods here when hacking and emulation were brought up--and now NintendoLife is openly sharing news of a fan-made patch? Which to use, one would have to, you know, hack their Wii U?

I mean, kudos for lightening up a bit and maybe even seeing the light, but I'm curious as to what would prompt such a change? Is the staff as sick of Nintendo's crap as the rest of us?

@Ralizah

That's because the censorship isn't about their personal experience. It's about not wanting things they don't like be available to other people.
Censorship is always supported first and foremost by political authoritarians.

@naut Careful there, you don't want to make assumptions about them as well. Jin15 has supported homebrew in the recent past, maybe they just missed the more important details about this patch.

well. at least it well make people... happy. just by doing homebrew and stuff. but hey atleast their a patch for it.
i still don't care if it get censors or not, if its a good game and getting good reviews, then i want to play it. tbh i have not not seen anything in gameplay wise that was cut other then Clothes and small changes to the pictures. ether that are im blind as a Ghost

It's funny, many who complain about people getting up in arms over censorship would probably flip their lids if the new zelda game didn't allow link to wear his "bikini" in the west.

How dare they push sexuality on children in this family friendly game, either M rating for breath of the wild oats, or put some clothes on that boy!

Then again... great fairies?

@Wexter Only if you cheat online, Nintendo TOSes are not legally binding, people need to stop being so sycophantic of their censorship.

@Camilla Enough with the swearing.

Oh look, double standards, emulation is a big no-no to discuss, but unofficial patches and console/game modification is somehow okay to discuss? So much for the site TOS revising lol.

You really enjoy riling up the masses, don't you, Damien. The sad part is that it works every time.

@Quizler It's not, I've had nothing better to do for the past day or so so I decided to give this a try. I have no experience hacking or with homebrew but I've been able to save a back up of my Tokyo Mirage disk and patch it. I haven't got far enough in the game to see if it works but the game is running smoothly off of my sd card as I type.

@shaneoh It does work with the disk, you just have to go through the extra step of backing up your disk and patching the backed up files. I have no experience with this type of stuff but I've been able to get the game running with the patch.

@Sn0wCrack Thanks for the patch, I have no experience with the Wii U hacking community but this patch inspired me to give the kernel exploit a try and see if I could get your patch working. I've spent a while on it but I've finally got everything up and running. Thanks again.

@LeRaposa Because the term censorship gets tossed around as a blanket statement for any changes, which devolves the conversation by ignoring the many layers involved.

@SetupDisk
Didn't realise that Canadians spelled that word with "rse," always figured they used the word associated with donkeys.

@PanurgeJr

What are you going on about? You were wrong in saying this isn't censorship when it is. Go be triggered somewhere else.

@Josh2396 There are cases of that yes, but there are cases like Xenoblade Chronicles X where one of the leads is a 14 year old girl (in a bikini). Why not just make her older? OR like days of old when games had a "gore" checkbox and the player could choose. It would be nice if all parents cared enough to check the parental controls on their kids consoles so developers could filter content based on age ranges set at the console level.

With Xenoblade X it's questionable when developers are almost appeasing pedophiles with risque content. Personally with Xenoblade at least I am fine with the content changes.

@naut stop being immature dude

@Megumi_Sagano you try reasoning with a troll

@Syrek24 im playing the game and enjoying it as it is but its the ones that are complaining about the censor and its even worse on miiverse

@Nico07 agreed and lin is 13 by the way on X

@Syrek24 I will not hate you, despise you, or pity you. We came to an amiable agreement after our past transgressions, in our posts of May 22nd, and I will continue to honor that. If you will not, that's your choice. I don't know what happened to elicit this response from you, but be well in your future endeavors.

But is this "censorship"? Or is it cultural modification? Maybe they're the same thing.

@LUIGITORNADO I'm going on about logical argument. You say self-censorship is censorship. Therefore you say censorship can be good. It's you who is going on about things.

Why do you believe censorship is good?

@8itmap_k1d censorship is like a double edge sword it could be used in good ways or just be abused on everything but on this game i can see why they did it i mean not every game should have girls in bikinis and other stuff and this game has plenty of fanservice in it like for started you can still see some of the characters/wafus nice racks especially kiria,tsubasa in her battle outfit, aya while shes possessed

Do you need a home brewed Wii u to do this?

@CharlieSmile

I don't think much of it is about needing to see sexy characters. I think most of it, at least from my perspective, is just the principle of not wanting someone else to decide for you what is and isn't ok.
That's what most opposition to censorship comes down to.
I want my money to go towards things that I like and approve of. If someone does something that I don't approve of, thereby manipulating this mechanism, I don't give them my money.
It's exactly the same as if someone went round telling people who to vote for. It doesn't matter who they're telling you to vote. It's the fact that they're telling you.

@Syrek24 So basically, you're just here to troll people who are against this Nintendo and Atlus' idiotic "localisation"?

@CharlieSmile Why should it be afforded any respect? Those standards are outdated and often arbitrary in any case.

Never understood why Nintendo chose to censor this game. It's obviously looking to win over the Persona/FE:A/Fates crowd, and they eat this kind of fanservice up. Glad someone uploaded a patch though. I personally won't be playing with it, since I don't care enough about the lack of fanservice. I'm buying it used, since I just hate censorship.

This is good to see. I'm quite sick of localisation changes, and if a game gets censored in the West then it makes me slightly less likely to get it.

Luckily I don't need to get crazy over wishing to have the patch or not, I can't apply the patch on the disc version and anyway the biggest change was in Chapter 2 and I'm at 3 now, too late for me XD
Even the costumes are not a big deal, already unlocked for Tsubasa one of most lovely costumes I ever seen, no bikini can beat such a teasing elegance X3
I just don't understand the "Healing points no longer come in envelopes" thing... is it a gameplay change or it's refering to the healing spots being censored too? ^_^;

I got real excited, until i realized it was for Download version only and not disc version. No way I'm buying it twice!

I think a few people on here need to get a grasp of what's really important in life. This really is a trivial matter, some people want to play the localised version, fine. Some people want to play a patched version, fine. Is it really worth arguing about on the internet.

@Morph @Dezzy i just want to enjoy the game and dont care if its censor or not if the story isnt effected by it then it should be fine and the game still has some fanservice in it

Good. But I wouldn't go out of my way to install the patch.

Gamers are truly pathetic.

@Okami86
PFFFT! You just called yourself pathetic.

@Okami86 Welcome back, after 5 months... Nice to see you too...

@Syrek24
Dude what the holy than thou are you on about? If you go to the link apparently a whole chapter was altered and not just an outfit but part of a characters story for no rational reason. I haven't played it yet but unless they are making that list up that is a big deal.

@shaneoh
I use both but arse seems less offensive for some reason.

Take that Nintendo! Good job to these fans allowing us to play the game we paid for and having us play it how we want in its uncensored original intended form.

I get that this is a convoluted topic with lots of different approaches that might lead to anything from misunderstandings to name-calling, but man, it is always surprising to see people so furious over other people playing the game the way they want.

@Syrek24 Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.

You all do know that if Nintendo didn't "localize" these kind of games, they won't be able to sell it here in the west right?

You forgotten about the recent lawsuit against Team Projekt Red (The Witcher games, etc), because of sexism?

Nintendo has a very safe and child friendly reputation here in the West and when they would release these Japanese Anime games "uncensored" in the West, that image will be instantly tarnished!

Pedofile anime is culturally accepted in Japan, but not in the west!
And as a father, good riddance! I am more disturbed by the fact the obsession here of people's desire to see young teenage polygon girls in bikini's and underwear.

This kind of "localizing" is nothing new and has been happening for years!
It's the same With a lot of these Korean MMORPG's, which get "localized" here in the West, where female outfits get "adjusted" for the Western audience.

It's quite simple. The more changes a localisation team administers, the more they get paid.

REPORT AND IGNORE, PEOPLE. REPORT & IGNORE.

Do not waste your/Moderator time engaging with users who post inappropriate comments. You won't change their attitude, you just feed their fire.

Mods will clean up any reported comments that warrant it, but if you start trying to challenge the user's comments you just add to the mess.

People post controversial comments to create controversy. Don't give them it.

REPORT AND IGNORE

Hoo boy, another round of censorship apologists flaming away. Nothing new, I see.

This is great <3 hoping for more efforts like this.

@PlywoodStick The game is, apparently, rated CERO B (or C, though I believe it was the former) in Japan. It's not rated D (their equivalent of a "Mature" rating), so its Japanese box isn't black and the marketing was more for the younger teen audience.

I'm just chuckling to myself about just how different the standards in Japan and the West are.
It reminds me about that picture floating around about how the West criticizes Japan for sexualizing fictional women, while the West sexualizes real women.

I'll probably never understand how these people think.

@BlueNitrous This, though I'll still buy it - cut-price, of course, like every Atlus JRPG I've bought that isn't Etrian Odyssey - if only because Nintendo of America is run incompetently and will claim that poor sales are a result of the game itself being bad rather than their flawed handling of it.
Never mind that they've made great money over thoroughly unnecessary changes to the game, no, just move along.

Localization, after all, is the car repair shop of the gaming industry. Want a translation? Well, you'll have to pay for these model changes, dungeon reskins, oh, and we'll cut some content on the side...here's the bill!

@MarkyUppy a jab is countered with a jab, that's all there is to it.

@Nico07 I have to agree to that. And the old 'gore checks and parental controls' are not such a bad idea. Can't Nintendo put the '18+' content in some kind of free eshop update? That way nobody can complain. But I personally don't care about most visual changes in localization, but I can't be happy when they just remove content

@SpykeKat

That's a crazy argument. They could remove loads of things and people wouldn't notice. Because no-one has played it yet! Duh

I know this is a ridiculous thing to say, but i might actually buy this game now because of this. Well done ladies and gentlemen for providing this patch!

Arguments about 'censorship'? Try this instead:

'bowdlerisation

The action or instance of bowdlerising; the omission or removal of material considered vulgar or indecent.'

A guy called Thomas Bowdler wrote whole new versions of Shakespeare's stuff, with bits changed, and bits removed, so it'd be suitable for kids. Seems to me that's exactly what's happened with TMS#FE.

We can get past whether or not it's localisation or censorship or whatever, and just discuss the pros/cons of bowdlerisation. Agree?

Interesting, but ultimately useless to me.
(1) You have to do it on a ripped copy of the game? Yuck.
(2) The misplaced time/effort/expense that development teams spent making pointless localization changes - and many changes in this game are pointless - is still lost, instead of being put towards better pursuits (like providing translations for character banter in battles).

In 30 years people will look back on the 'censorship crowd' and see nothing but a bunch of petulant whiny creeps.

Ive said it before, were this the government censoring things I'd be up in arms. But it's a private corporation. It's their prerogative.

Sure, they're petty, but I'm almost 30 and I'm a-okay with a game covering up skimiply dressed characters who were supposed to be younger than 18.

And you should be too.

Well, this comment section went downhill rather quickly, as expected.

If anyone couldn't enjoy this game because of this insane, outrageous and gamechanging "censoring", they now have an option to play the "complete" version. I'll stick with the unpatched version

@Dezzy I think you're exactly right, Dezzy. The fact that people would still get annoyed over something that is 100% optional and doesn't affect them like this shows that their motivation, whether they know it or not, has always been to deprive other people of something they want because they consider it to be "inappropriate."

@gcunit Good advice. These people who are posting insults aren't worth engaging with.

@MarkyUppy - Post deleted. Don't do that again or you'll be recommended for a ban.

Please remind yourself of the Community Rules.

@televisions
Are you kidding? In 30 years, nobody will care about this game - few will even remember it exists.

@those who are overreacting
People need to take a step back. This shouldn't be reason to throw personal attacks at each other - implied or direct - at each other for having different opinions.

Show some maturity! Learn enough to be properly informed instead of relying on poorly formed knee-jerk reactions. Think about the broader implications of your stance before committing to it. Finally, accept that not everyone will hold the same opinion.

throwing around the word Censorship like it's a pillow at a slumber party.

I saw this coming a mile away. And so should have Nintendo and Atlus.

The people who want the original, only translated, are the best. The very fact that it has to be translated makes it different from the original. Want the original? Buy and play the original. There is no other way around it.

Though I like to have things as close to the original as possible, I appreciate the localisation changes. I'm, let's say, "into" Japan, but even then I'm kind of iffy on the whole idol and gravure topic.
The thing is, some things have to be changed. Especially when they are grounded in completely different cultures. If you want to capture a wider audience you have to appeal to a wider audience, which means changing some things here and there. There are specific character archetypes, like the overly cute characters, that could be off putting for "Western" people.

@toxibunny Bowdlerization runs the risk of skewing the perceptions of the original author's messages and intentions. I would say dumbing down the material for children hurts that author's intent, as well as the intelligence of a potential young reader of Shakespeare (or otherwise). I certainly would have thought it strange if I grew up with a children's version of Shakespeare, only to be told when I was a teenager, "Guess what? We were just making a vain attempt to shield your little mind with that children's version, now erase all that and study the real Shakespeare!"

But then again, now that I think about it, Disney is all about Bowdlerization... I suppose it's something that children don't necessarily think critically about, until they're adults. So perhaps having a different version is okay... But it's one thing to say, "Let's have different versions for different audiences." It's another to say, " We're only going to provide the equivalent of the children's version of the material's messages in this or that particular region, because of our arbitrary criteria which states that we will not or can not release the equivalent of the adult version, and anyone seeking the adult version outside of it's accepted regions must either know a foreign language or become criminalized."

Can I just get an English dub?

@Rin-go Well, the gravure/idol topic is heavily criticized in TMS, not glorified. Funny how if wanton deadly violence is being glorified in a game, it's a-okay to release, perhaps even as a T rated game... but if societal messages regarding sexuality and celebrity capitalizing are being critiqued and analyzed, oh no, that's inappropriate, those Westerners are too dull to handle this subject matter...

Personally, I think that for some people, the subject matter just happens to hit a little TOO close to home in wealthy Western celebrity culture, especially in the USA. Just in case you or others here haven't noticed, the USA (I don't know about Europe and the UK) practically has it's own version of gravure/idol industry plastered everywhere in the mass media. We just happen to refer to it's incarnations by names such as "TMZ" or "Hollywood" or "American Idol".

@Syrek24 That's the thing. gamers don't seem to understand that localization is not exactly a clear cut process. Besides language you also have to factor in cultural and societal differences. In Europe from what I hear they have very strict laws regarding the portrayal and objectification of minors. Here in the West sexualization is a much more touchy subject than it is in Japan. I am not surprised by Nintendo's relatively hands off approach to social commentary out of a desire to help maintain their family friendly image. It doesn't help much either we live in the age of people getting offended over nothing. I don't understand why people are so freaking obsessed with seeing 3D polygonal breasts.

Why is there no outrage for when it happens to western games in Japan?
The last of us(gore), dmc(s*x), la noir(s*x), kingdome hearts(brutality, in country), metal gear rising(gore, in country), ninja gaiden(gore, in country), No more heroes(gore, in country), Fist of the north star(gore, in country, added to west), Fallout 3(gore), resident evil(2 onward, gore, in country, added to west), shadow of rome(never realeased).

@ziffy Ah, notice the theme there? Gore, gore, and more gore. Japan is prone to censoring gratuitous violence, but not nonexplicit societal/sexual visuals and commentary. I don't think violent games promote violent behavior, but if they want to censor the effects of deadly harm, it doesn't seem like a terribly unreasonable compromise, if you ask me. What matters is when parts of the game are excised. For example, the Japanese version of Fallout 3 & 4 censor anything related to nukes going off and blowing people up, because... Well, you get the picture. But that kind of sensitivity about an event of mass murder is quite different from TMS, which doesn't involve any such thing.

Thank goodness, now I can buy the game. I sincerely thank the fans for fixing this game. Though, I assume I can't update my Wii U anymore?

Some gamers get so worked up over the littlest nothing. lol

[Distributing Pitchforks]

They are still in demand right?

In my opinion, this patch is a step in the right direction to show Nintendo that their "localization" strategy is one that is not liked by many fans. From what I saw from the link (I haven't gotten the game yet), many lines and dialogues were redone in the Western version and not just the skimpy costumes as many claim. Even if the message by the developer was botched by the localization process, they won't come out and say their message was butchered, they still want the sales -_-

A fan patch will be much more noticed than Nintendo than any petition since it will open the gates for people to modify their consoles, and they don't want that.

And it is the fans' passion, if they want to uncensor it, I have no problem with that.

To the Pro Censorship people: You are just wasting your time getting all pitchfork-y over this. If you really don't care, don't waste your time commenting.

@PlywoodStick I was not sure if I could write sex on this site. They do it for that too in japan. There are just fewer western games that have sex in them. Taking it out of dmc and la noir, God of War 3, Beyond Two Souls, The Order: 1886, Mafia 2 , and indigo profecy is weird but I guess it was because it was between adults. I don't see a difference. I understand getting rid of nuclear weaponry but if "censorship is censorship" would you not be up in arms against it regardless? My opinion the changes they made to #FE don't "seem like a terribly unreasonable compromise" as far as I'm concerned. Localization like this happens everywhere. Even sex in Witcher 3 was sensored in Japan. But then they censor sex in japan to begin with mosaics.

@PlywoodStick
As I said, I think they wanted to reach a wider audience and not have weird headlines and articles regarding that topic. Therefore I guess they made the right choice.

And joke's on you, because I don't play violent games. So I wouldn't be bothered if violence would get toned down.

I also wanted to point out that the question isn't "censorship" or no "censorship", but "censorship" or no localisation at all. Some people are just happy to get games at all, because back in the day the game might have been labeled too Japanese to release outside of Japan.

Moronic. Nerds criticize Nintendo for changing the game to placate the Western audience. Have you considered certain designs were originally for no reason other than to pander to the Japanese audience? Idiots.

Sweet can fix it was counting on this, censorship apologists lose again ᕕ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕗ

@MarkyUppy CharlieSmile is a her, fyi

@Dezzy there's always the option to not buy Tokyo Mirage then

It's disconcerting that anyone would have a problem with gamers playing a game how they like, but also encouraging to see the SJWs exposed as the puritans they truly are. They don't just want to avoid this content themselves; they want you to not have access to it either.

This topic is so sad it's not even funny, but the sadder thing is, that was the entire purpose of reporting this news, to generate clickbait.

@PlywoodStick I totally agree with you, yet, having those workers re do all that as part of the censored version is way cheaper that the many legal dramas that nintengo is trying to get out of in America. Lets be honest, politicians and religious extremist groups have waay to much time in their hands, and they will attack anything that they dont understand, so video games is one of their big targets. We shouldnt be complaining to Nintendo, who in the end is a company that wants to make profit, that means not getting problems that will cost them money, we should be complaining to those groups I believe, its their fault..

hmmm.... I'm kind of disappointed by all the drama. So, I'm wondering how Nintendo will respond to this (if at all)? Would be curious to see....
(^_^ )

I found it amusing that people are saying things like how Nintendo 'should' not censor things and how the developers 'should' not have localized parts of the game.

Well that's I'm playing that there is some kind of rule that Nintendo and the developers are supposed to follow that says they can't do what they did, I don't know of this rule.

It's time people stop acting so entitled, there is no rule being broken here and the game plays just fine with the changes, so if it bothers you that much then just don't buy the game and respect the developer's decisions. We're lucky we even got it here in the West.

@Rin-go That... Wasn't quite my point, but okay. And I don't know about the subject matter being "too Japanese". I don't know about Europe and the UK, but if anything, it hits right at the celebrity/capitalistically driven idolatry issue in the USA today just as much so as in Japan. The fact that people think the subject is distinctly or even "too" Japanese, that it's something that doesn't also happen in the West, just shows that many people cannot see how their own society is (dysfunctionally) operating when they look in the mirror.

Or maybe they just don't bother to look in mirror... Too afraid to see themselves in others. Especially the celebrities themselves.

@CharlieSmile

Yes, I'm not.

But that logic would better be applied BEFORE censoring it rather than after. That way you're not violating a creator's work.

@FreakFerrett I understand your point. But if we're just making changes like this so we don't inadvertently anger the big bad opportunists and Puritans, where does it end?

Yes, we end up like this, or worse.. Its sad, Nintendo should consider the true target audience of the game, lets get real, no 7 years old will play this game... anyways.. I just wanted to understand a bit their way of thinking as a company..

@ziffy For the Japanese version of Fallout, no, I wouldn't mind. There was a game being developed that potentially allowed the ability to knock down skyscrapers, back in 2001. Then 9/11 happened. The game got canceled after that, of course. No one was going to go anywhere near that highly sensitive point. I would say it's the same for being sensitive about the atomic bombing of Japan. There are sensible exceptions like that.

If TMS merely had clothing and ages changed a bit, it wouldn't matter. But that's not what happened. A whole chapter of the game was excised, ripped out, and transmogrified into something that didn't fit the critical message it originally intended.

The people working on this need to be thanked! They are delivering the game the way Atlus and Nintendo intended. Unlike the way Atlus USA and Nintendo of America saw fit. I'm anti-censorship and don't support the decisions made during the localisation process, but it's their unnecessary changes to game in the first place are the reason for all the outrage and the ridiculous comments wars going on.

LOL @gatorboi352 wins all the comments

@ejamer Look, there are Atari Jaguar fan podcasts (the game by game one is fantastic) which means that Niche titles and consoles will definitely be looked back on. It may seem weird but it'll be retro or whatever.

Anyway, I stand behind what I said. The censorship has in no way effected the gameplay and I think once the "censorship" critics mature a bit they'll see just how weird and gross it made them look at times.

@televisions
Well they completely changed a dungeon, so I'd call that an affect on gameplay. Not to mention the changes have affected the story as well. People should get their heads out of their backsides, for most, it's not about getting our jollies (we've got the internet, we don't need it in a game) it's about the product being needlessly sterilised.

@shaneoh feels fine to me and again, nintendo can do what it wants. it's a private company. It may suck, but whatever, they're under no obligation to give you that.

And the dungeon you're talking about is the second one, right? Or is it the DLC?

@televisions
It's fine that you have an opinion, but your posts have been judgmental - bordering on outright rude - towards people who feel differently. That puts a real damper on the whole "other people need to grow up" stance you're peddling.

@ejamer I guess I'll own that. I do, however, stand by the fact that I think the response isnt that mature and have seen few arguments put forth to prove otherwise.

I'm all for this patch as It's always good to have options.

That's pretty neat, I might grab the game now especially since it somehow got great review scores. I mean, I thought the game looked fairly fun, but I just didn't see it doing well here, especially when it didn't do that well in Japan.

Also, censoring a weeb game makes absolutely no sense and I don't see how anyone can support it. I mean this truly is a special case in my eyes. Like, yeah, of course taking out bikinis doesn't ruin a game, but WHY? Who do they think will buy this game, elementary school kids? No! This is a niche weeb JRPG! Anyone buying it has already seen everything raunchy this game has to offer somewhere else.

@televisions
And on that point - the negative reaction to localization changes being immature and unreasonable in far too many cases - I fully agree with you.

It's a shame the so-called controversy is taking so much focus away from the gameplay - which by all accounts is excellent. (I won't find out for a bit as I'm currently in the midst of Persona 3 Portable...)

@Quizler ah....this only works for the digital copy of the game? I was wondering about that and the "dump files" you would need...

@JedRock You could either find an ISO of the game or patch your copy of it, but you may need to dump the files on it first or something.

@ejamer I completely agree.

I guess what I was saying is this. Censorship when it's from the Government is bad.
From private companies isn't necessarily good, but I think the argument side is lacking a sense of self awareness. What they're arguing about, when you strip it down to bare bones, is that they want scantily clad teenage characters in their game and it's ruined for them if it's not there. I'm not necessarily saying that's the people here on nintendolife's contention, but it's what shows up in a lot of other places online and it's a terrible hill to die on.

Oppppsss double post. My bad. Sorry!

@naut You really think only adults want to play this? And you think every adult would rather pointless immature sexual content?

I don't mind the modifications to the western release, I can appreciate the patch to want to play the game as originally developed.
I think the general idea is that someone else got something we didn't.

That's not to say people won't use "noble" causes to mask the real intentions.

Ooh, gosh, this is very tempting. I'm not a fan of the censorship changes that have occurred with this game, and being able to see the original cutscenes play through my journey and explore chapter 2 as it was originally do appeal to me. The reverting of the ages back to their original ages doesn't bother me, it kind of bothers me more that all the later changes occurred despite the ages already being altered to make the original game events... more acceptable.

The only issue is the ending line of this article 'here's a danger you could corrupt your save data if you make a wrong move.' This would be my first time trying to do such a thing, and with a lack of disposable income or a external hard drive for my Wii U, this makes me decline the wonderful offer presented here. It's a shame, I'd love to utilise this patch, but I am not willing to risk my Wii U and all the data I have on it.

@BakaKnight May I ask what the costume's name is?

@Powuh-Up_RPT You mean the one for Tsubasa that I prefer most?
I'm talking about the amrita girl one: http://i.imgur.com/uN7wSkh.jpg
(I leave the image as a link since the only pic I found of the costume is in a boss battle late in the game, if you didn't play the game and don't want spoilers, don't check it >.>; )

@TTGlider And who will be buying this game if not people who loves Japanese games and popcultue? Dude what the f*ck is wrong with your logic?
Censorship is always wrong and there's not place for this sh*t in this world. Who cares what America thinks. Stop acting like America would be the only country in this world. This is moronic. Idiots who are offended by fiction shouldn't be even think avlbout consuming it. Close minded idiots shouldn't be allowed to consume foreign media.

@Charlie_Girl
lmao look at this loser