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Just like the last time.

@Yosher I don't think we have concise examples yet. Maybe for individual games. The only console that had its store shut down is the Wii, but digital games weren't really a thing on the Wii, since you only had Wiiware games. Best bet is to hope that some will be able to hack the system and keep it running on a private server after its dead. But given the scale of such undertaking, I don't know if that's possible. Best case scenario is classic ROM files, and downloading those to your system. And maybe setting up private servers for online play.

@Zeldafan79 Rules are pretty clear over here. Blame the people in charge for not making the rules clear enough. Don't blame the masks.

Rumour has it that Kimaya is immune, he blocked the coronavirus.

IVs? EVs? Ability?

@Agramonte Please no. I didn't have a social life for about two months, I don't think I can handle it a second time.

I bet there's a lot of ''education centres'' in China that would stuff like this and LABO.

Pikmin 4 or riot.

Where can I sign up?

@N1ntendodo And that's that last thing I'd recommend anyone doing. However, in light of the massive support for Epic on the internet, I think that taking a step back and looking at it from both sides is the best thing to do.

But I realise that's difficult. Especially since Epic launched this whole campaign to drum up all the 10-year-olds to boycott Apple. It's ridiculous IMO. And people will defend it, because they make Fortnite.

@mazzel I see. Well, either way, like I said, Nintendo, Sony and MS are much more dependent on Epic than Apple is. Most games for consoles are made on Unreal Engine, so I imagine that Epic has some good leverage right there. This is not necessarily true for Apple and Google.

I dunno. I can see them, but his chin is covering them.

@vanYth In a normal situation it all goes through the platform holder first. So Nintendo, Sony and MS take a 30% share on micro-transactions, just like they do on games. But @BulkSlash suggested Epic is getting a discounts on consoles, so they may already be an exception. But in any other circumstance, the platform holder takes a cut on MTX. Otherwise there would be no profit for platform holders in free-to-play games that live in the revenue from MTX alone.

@BulkSlash I didn't know Epic gets a discount on consoles. If true, that shows you the kind of leverage they have. Since most games are made in Unreal Engine these days, Epic already have a monopoly. Companies will have to comply otherwise Epic can easily stop optimising for their system. And people are cheering when Epic announces they want even more control of the market...

@Ultrasmiles I wouldn't say this is a ''win'' for gamers. It's a short term win maybe; but not a long term win. And the ones making the most out of this are still the corporates, but at Epic instead of Apple. This is just another move by a company to redirect the money at them instead of someone else.

@telepathy2000 Yeah, Nintendo takes 30% as well. That's pretty much the standard. Sony, Microsoft, Steam, GOG all take around 30% IIRC. You can argue it should be less, but circumventing the system entirely is basically like tax evasion. Apple is in their right here; if you want to make use of the iOS infrastructure to sell your games, you can't expect them to allow you to do so for free.

@Eel I assume these are 7KM eggs. Getting a <1% Deino with the free incubator alone is virtually impossible within a week.

@patbacknitro18 Like I said, that's what they want you to think. They really don't care about that. It's all about filling their own pockets. But by dressing themselves up as the good guy, and having the consumers fight for them, they hardly have to do anything, and they will probably win this. It's brilliant marketing really...

@patbacknitro18 No, that's the thing, it's the illusion. That's why this stuff works and is so brilliant. Because Epic knows that all the consumers will side with them. But in the end it's just a fight between Epic and Apple.

Realistically, this means that Apple will see no revenue from Fortnite/Epic if all their payments bypass Apple's system. So why allow Epic to make billions on your ecosystem? In a way, Apple has every right to block them. Like I said, this is like tax evasion, but on another level. And their using the general public to fight it out for them.

@patbacknitro18 It's more like Epic found a way to circumvent Apple's payment system and now tricks consumers into buying all of this (pun intended). It's not about lowering the cost for consumers, it's all about generating more revenue for Epic.

Just look at the numbers: Apple takes 30% of revenue generated. Epic bypasses Apple and reduces prices by 20%. In a way they're just screwing over Apple for their own good, because Epic's net revenue will be higher now.

And look, neither companies need the money, both are greedy AF, but there's something to be said about using one ecosystem (iOS), without paying for it at all (since Fortnite is a free game too). So this is more like tax evasion.

@LatsaSpege US =/= the world. There are plenty of countries where small gatherings aren't discouraged anymore. So it's perfectly fine in a country like New Zealand.

I didn't know they were also porting Wii games to the Switch.

@RadioHedgeFund Okami has a ton of unique stuff going for it. I mean, is it a coincidence that the main character of this game looks a lot like Link from BOTW? Nah, definitely not. They could've tried something more unique at least.

@elpardo1984 Well, definitely. But it's still a valid point I think. It does feel like Nintendo is using the ported Switch games to fill out their release schedule. I mean, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is the reason why we haven't had Mario Kart 9 yet. New Super Mario Bros. Deluxe is the reason why we haven't had a 2D Mario yet. Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze is the reason why we haven't seen a DK game yet. Is Pikmin 3 Deluxe the reason why we're not getting Pikmin 4? I really hope not.

Additionally, I think that the price of these ports is also way too high, even if there is a new bonus level or two (I mean, I'd like to play the extra content, but I'm not buying the whole game again just to access it, so I wish it was made available as standalone content as well).

In hindsight it would've been a lot better to just skip the Wii U and buy them all on Switch. But it is what it is. It just stings a bit that the people who bought the Wii U and all their games are now in this position. And they were probably their most hardcore fans as well.

And yeah, the lack of new games doesn't really help. Or the fact that there's nothing on the horizon. Maybe they'll announce a brand new game next week? Or maybe they don't. It would help if there's something to look forward to. BOTW 2 and Metroid Prime 4 are coming, but who knows when. They could be two years away for all we know!

@Yalaa I'm pretty sure you're just trolling at this point. But well done, you got me right there..! lol

@Yalaa Here's an idea. Maybe Nintendo should market them better. Maybe they should've released one on the Wii U. Maybe they should've released one on the Switch by now. Don't blame the fans.

@playstation_king In defence of TLOU Remastered, it was only €50. It came with the €15 DLC (total package was €75 on PS3). And it was barely a year old. But yeah, like you said, it dropped in price quickly. Nevertheless I think that a game like Shadow of the Colossus (2018) is a better example. Fully remade from the ground up; but it was only €40. Microsoft even allows you to play older games for free!

In all honesty. I'm looking forward to their next console. Only because I know they can't use the same port strategy again, and they have to rely on completely new games.

Unless you own a Wii U

Not going to buy them all again for full price. I wish they were cheaper. Or in the case of Pikmin, included all three games or something like that.

@Yalaa lol, ''part of the problem''. I've bought every single one of them that I could play.

@Yalaa I'm not buying a console solely for Federation Force. I'm sorry. It's Nintendo's job to sell games to me, it's not my job to make sure they're successful. It was their choice to develop for two platforms, not mine. I can't buy every console.

@Yalaa I'm talking about Nintendo. The last Metroid game I bought was Other M, in 2010. And I liked that game. But that was a decade ago.

I don't play handheld consoles.

@CupidStunt Of course, any self-imposed arbitrary rule can make a game more difficult.

@Chibi_Manny Tropical Freeze was never brought back. It was removed from the NA eShop, and still is to this day. However, it was never removed from the European eShop.

@CupidStunt Imagine that, Nintendo making a complex and difficult game. Good thing Retro is doing it, there's some hope.

@Liam_Doolan Just saying, Tropical Freeze is still not available on the Wii U in North America. The idea that it was put back on the eShop was misreported back then, and has been copied ever since.

Where's Pikmin 4?

If they had actually supported the franchise over the years, maybe it would've had a bigger following. Just saying.

That lower right page confirms that the ghosts in Nintendo games are pretty much all the same character lol.

@Averagewriter Piracy was certainly a thing. Heck, most of my GameBoy games were pirated copies, and people certainly didn't have the equipment to print those at home. I wasn't as prevalent in northern Europe, but in the south and east it was very common. I bought a ton of games from vendors off the street back in the 90s and early 00s.

@tonyp1987 Nintendo systems are great for Nintendo game sales. I can understand third parties not flocking to it, if they know that they'll get outsold by the next Let's Go Pokemon Brick & Tile. Even if said third party game offers a way better game. If you're being drowned out by first party games, why even bother?

I don't know why. Maybe people buy Nintendo systems primarily for Nintendo games. I know I do. Because they're usually missing quite a lot of games. But as a result, I don't buy the third party games that make it over to the system, because I'll buy them on other consoles instead.

I don't see the difference.

@Ralizah I don't know. If there's no new content, it's a lot easier to ignore. They put in new content, knowing very well the fans still want to play that, but it's probably content that can be finished in an hour, but it's locked behind the rest of the game. That's kinda scummy in its own right. It would be fine if they offered it as a standalone thing though. But I don't expect that to happen.

As a Wii U owner, I pretty much got all the first party titles. This Switch generation feels like a lot of waiting until all of that is ported over for the good stuff to come. The Switch is probably going to be the Nintendo console of which I own the least amount of games if this trend continues.

@Ralizah €50 for a year old game that was €60 + €15 DLC. And it got a graphical overhaul as well.

This should've either included all three games as remastered versions, or it should be half the price IMO.

And yes, there is new content. And that part sucks, because you can't play it without buying the whole game for full price again. Though if their other Wii U ports are anything to go by, it won't be worth the asking price anyway. But it still kinda sucks.

@Wesbert Why even remove it?

@Ralizah All of those games were cheaper though. And TLOU Remastered even included the DLC as well. And I don't think their last gen counterparts were removed from the digital PS3 store either. They are still available (for cheap) today.

Pikmin 3 was a €20 game for ages. Had this been €30-40 I would've had less issue with it.

@Ralizah They should release Mother 3 for $60. How many people have played that game? It's effectively a new game for many. I should work for Nintendo

@sixrings Yeah, but I don't know. In an era when Sony releases plenty of €40 titles, and when MS even offers older games for free. I don't think that €60 ports fly well anymore. But maybe I'm mistaken. It's a pretty low move though. Selling it full price on the Switch it one thing, but removing the game from the Wii U eShop to force people to buy the expensive version on Switch is another.

@Blooper987 Captain Toad was $40 on Wii U as well. So no difference really.

@RupeeClock Apparently they did with Tropical Freeze.

@RainbowGazelle Well, they actually delisted Pikmin 3 on the Wii U eShop, so you can't buy it for $20 anymore.

So you can't complain it's cheaper elsewhere