@westman98 My bigger point is that you cannot use a timespan of two years to say that the PC Handheld is niche or will stagnate. At least you can't convince me of that based on that timespan, and that it's better to agree to disagree than to try. Also, note PC Handheld, not steam deck, solo.
@westman98 1. Based on the way you use market data, I could just as well claim that Nintendo has evolved backwards because Wii U was a flop. 3. I provide data from 3 days ago and you want to use last year to dispute that? Interesting. same logic as 1. Very convincing.
@westman98 And my issue with that is that all of that data is 2022 to 2024. That's far from enough for me to make your conclusion, considering 1. it's a market that evolves every year 2. It's an extension of the pc market 3. On Feb 23, just three days ago, steam broke a new concurrent player record. Let's just agree to disagree.
@westman98 Thanks for the link. There's quite a bit of food for thought in there. But it doesn't really count as proof. Firstly because PC Handhelds are too new to be counted as niche. Secondly because PC handhelds are an extension of PC gaming and by virtue of that cannot be counted as niche.
@DK_Dude333 You've made several points that I did not feel inclined to contest because I wasn't interested, not because I agreed. First off, the Apple comparison doesn't help your argument. Apple is only dominant in a handful of select countries. More importantly, Apple is far more "in house" than Nintendo will ever be - if we are basing the argument around the "in house" factor, Nintendo is much more vulnerable than Apple. Outdated hardware is not quite the same thing as what Apple does, even including the price point factor...
Secondly, you made the comparison of Nintendo Steam Deck and ROG users as though I was contesting them against those two only. I was comparing them against the entire PC Handheld market, which is in turn an extension of the PC market, and all that entails. Also, you compared an industry titan to a rapidly growing phenomenon that's still relatively new on the scene, so I feel it's fair to say that your PC Handheld numbers are far from relevant due to these two points. Don't forget that X-box was once able to gain traction against Sony, Nintendo, and Sega by playing their cards right.
Nintendo is not immune by virtue of simply targeting children and families because the PC Handheld market is not Sony (though even Sony is adapting). The PC Handheld market offers a lot of variance and while I'm on this topic, devices that are gamer intuitive like the Switch user interface... like the Steam OS, which has recently been implemented by the Legion Go S.
There are A LOT of people that are very unhappy with Nintendo due to anti-consumer policies as well as their fondness for lawsuits. If you think Nintendo is immune to this negative sentiment, then you're either ignoring the effect that Gamergate has had on the industry or you're burying your head in the sand. Ubisoft did not reach its present situation in a day.
I believe the PC Handheld market has the potential to threaten Nintendo, perhaps not today, but in the future. Because 1. It evolves far faster than any console generation lifecycle. 2. It offers a lot more flexibility against things like censorship, game genre range, and modding. 3. Nintendo's negative perception is growing, not shrinking. 4. Nintendo has done very little to change this growing negative perception. 5. We live in the information age. The core things protecting Nintendo are console price point, great games, and the smart move they made by pursuing backward compatibility. Not their target audience, because that target audience lives in the information age.
@DK_Dude333 Never said it wouldn't sell. I also said I'm not in complete disagreement with you. Like please pay attention to my posts and responses instead of just arguing back, especially if you intend to continue this.
@DK_Dude333 Or they could just choose to emulate switch games instead, and get a PC Handheld. I don't totally disagree with your points, but I believe that it will have an effect on the Switch. You have not included the aspect of people who have grown dissatisfied with Nintendo for various reasons. Not everything is about logic.
Finally, Joost also mentions that PC handhelds like the Steam Deck and Asus ROG Ally likely won't encroach on Nintendo's territory much thanks to their higher price points. He states that data suggests the audience overlap between these devices and Nintendo is minimal thanks to the latter's exclusive line-up of first-party games, meaning that most owners of premium PC handhelds likely maintain multiple gaming platforms.
And what happens when PC Handheld manufacturers cut back on the prices of their prior iterations, which will likely still be more powerful than the Switch 2? No overlap my ass
Tariffs won't stop China from creating games that I love to play. I don't care. All involved parties can have the honour of my middle finger, and I mean both the givers and receivers.
@seinfeldfanatic I was referring to how physical copies can still be a cue to download stuff, instead of actually having the game be on the physical cartridge you bought, silly.
Lol at "negative audience preconceptions". You don't get to kill off Batman and get positive anything, and that wasn't the only problem with KTJL. They are a long way from being trusted by players again.
@Mariotag Ninja Gaiden Black and Ninja Gaiden 2 Black. Or alternatively, Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Ninja Gaiden 2 Sigma (Sigma and Sigma 2 are in the Master Collection).
I finished 2 for the first time on Switch a few days ago, and I've finished it on multiple consoles prior. Platinum trophy on PS3.
The game has received a few patches since release, and 2 runs better (60fps) than it did on launch. The first game never had a problem with fps, but it's the hardest of the lot, difficulty levels being equal.
I'm sure you already know this but just in case - the two games are not for those who don't like challenges, though they do have easy modes. I recommend the Sigma games over the Black games because they have more content.
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Great article, Gavin. Thank you for the rather balanced take.
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@Burning_Spear I believe so, yes.
Re: Opinion: Oh No, I'm Not A Fan Of Switch 2's Mouse Mode At All
Ahh, Nintendo is totally spoiling Alana by Making her Cramps Great Again!!
Re: Opinion: No One Is Talking About The Switch 2's Best Feature
Switch 2 is making Alana's rumble Great Again!!♥︎
Re: Nintendo Delays Switch 2 Pre-Orders In The US Amidst New Trump Tariffs
Making @NintendoLife Great Again, let's gooooo!!!!
Re: Nintendo Delays Switch 2 Pre-Orders In The US Amidst New Trump Tariffs
@FoxyDude Don't talk nonsense. I still have my two eggs, and they're doing just fine♥︎
Re: Nintendo Switch 2 First-Party File Sizes Are Surprisingly Small
Sigh. Nintendo is easy to hate but they're also sooo easy to love. These sizes are very reassuring.
Re: Video: Switch 2's "Faster" Load Times Showcased With Zelda: Breath Of The Wild
I feel like too many are too used to settling for too little.
@Anti-Matter I'm still waiting for that response, if you still intend to give it.
Re: "DROP THE PRICE!!!" Scream Nintendo Fans During Nintendo's Treehouse Live Broadcast
All those jerks typing "Drop the price" before I had a chance to. So inconsiderate.
Re: "Don't Let Nintendo Ruin The Entire Industry" - Is $80 For Mario Kart World A Bridge Too Far?
I'll stick to CTR, Twisted Metal, and Burnout. Thanks but no thanks, Nintendo.
Re: Has The Xbox Switch 2 Rival Just Revealed Its True Form?
@Lone_Beagle Armory Crate works like Steam OS, so that is not really an issue beyond the initial installation when you buy the handheld
Lol. I wonder if Xbox and ROG Ally will be able to bring the price down to competitive levels. Let's see what happens
Re: Analyst Expects Switch 2 To Sell Like Hot Cakes In Its First Quarter
Please. a random unborn ovum can predict that.
@Truegamer79 Easy solution. Switch to PC
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@Anti-Matter Perfectly understandable.
Re: Masahiro Sakurai Receives Award From Japanese Government
So he wants an award stating that he's a man of culture? Hahahahahaha!!!! I can give him that one!!
Congrats to him. Well deserved, that YouTube channel is a gem.
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@SwitchVogel Thanks.
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Nintendo has great games. I hope for the sake of Metroid and Bayonetta that such quality continues.
Re: Nintendo Will "Likely" Price The Switch 2 At $399, Says Analyst
@westman98 My bigger point is that you cannot use a timespan of two years to say that the PC Handheld is niche or will stagnate. At least you can't convince me of that based on that timespan, and that it's better to agree to disagree than to try. Also, note PC Handheld, not steam deck, solo.
Re: Nintendo Will "Likely" Price The Switch 2 At $399, Says Analyst
@westman98
1. Based on the way you use market data, I could just as well claim that Nintendo has evolved backwards because Wii U was a flop.
3. I provide data from 3 days ago and you want to use last year to dispute that? Interesting. same logic as 1. Very convincing.
Re: Nintendo Will "Likely" Price The Switch 2 At $399, Says Analyst
@westman98 And my issue with that is that all of that data is 2022 to 2024. That's far from enough for me to make your conclusion, considering
1. it's a market that evolves every year
2. It's an extension of the pc market
3. On Feb 23, just three days ago, steam broke a new concurrent player record.
Let's just agree to disagree.
Re: Switch Owners In Japan Will Have To Pay More For Nintendo Repairs
Make the decision, then invent the reason. It's a very logically sound business strategy.
Re: Nintendo Will "Likely" Price The Switch 2 At $399, Says Analyst
@westman98 Thanks for the link. There's quite a bit of food for thought in there. But it doesn't really count as proof. Firstly because PC Handhelds are too new to be counted as niche. Secondly because PC handhelds are an extension of PC gaming and by virtue of that cannot be counted as niche.
Re: The Pokémon Company Catches A Win In Lawsuit Against Another Rip-Off App
@JimNorman You do know that only one patent out of over twenty was approved, right?
Re: Nintendo Will "Likely" Price The Switch 2 At $399, Says Analyst
@DK_Dude333
You've made several points that I did not feel inclined to contest because I wasn't interested, not because I agreed. First off, the Apple comparison doesn't help your argument. Apple is only dominant in a handful of select countries. More importantly, Apple is far more "in house" than Nintendo will ever be - if we are basing the argument around the "in house" factor, Nintendo is much more vulnerable than Apple. Outdated hardware is not quite the same thing as what Apple does, even including the price point factor...
Secondly, you made the comparison of Nintendo Steam Deck and ROG users as though I was contesting them against those two only. I was comparing them against the entire PC Handheld market, which is in turn an extension of the PC market, and all that entails. Also, you compared an industry titan to a rapidly growing phenomenon that's still relatively new on the scene, so I feel it's fair to say that your PC Handheld numbers are far from relevant due to these two points. Don't forget that X-box was once able to gain traction against Sony, Nintendo, and Sega by playing their cards right.
Nintendo is not immune by virtue of simply targeting children and families because the PC Handheld market is not Sony (though even Sony is adapting). The PC Handheld market offers a lot of variance and while I'm on this topic, devices that are gamer intuitive like the Switch user interface... like the Steam OS, which has recently been implemented by the Legion Go S.
There are A LOT of people that are very unhappy with Nintendo due to anti-consumer policies as well as their fondness for lawsuits. If you think Nintendo is immune to this negative sentiment, then you're either ignoring the effect that Gamergate has had on the industry or you're burying your head in the sand. Ubisoft did not reach its present situation in a day.
I believe the PC Handheld market has the potential to threaten Nintendo, perhaps not today, but in the future. Because
1. It evolves far faster than any console generation lifecycle.
2. It offers a lot more flexibility against things like censorship, game genre range, and modding.
3. Nintendo's negative perception is growing, not shrinking.
4. Nintendo has done very little to change this growing negative perception.
5. We live in the information age. The core things protecting Nintendo are console price point, great games, and the smart move they made by pursuing backward compatibility. Not their target audience, because that target audience lives in the information age.
Re: Nintendo Will "Likely" Price The Switch 2 At $399, Says Analyst
@DK_Dude333 Never said it wouldn't sell. I also said I'm not in complete disagreement with you. Like please pay attention to my posts and responses instead of just arguing back, especially if you intend to continue this.
Re: Nintendo Will "Likely" Price The Switch 2 At $399, Says Analyst
@DK_Dude333 Or they could just choose to emulate switch games instead, and get a PC Handheld. I don't totally disagree with your points, but I believe that it will have an effect on the Switch. You have not included the aspect of people who have grown dissatisfied with Nintendo for various reasons. Not everything is about logic.
Re: Nintendo Will "Likely" Price The Switch 2 At $399, Says Analyst
@westman98 Proof?
Re: Nintendo Will "Likely" Price The Switch 2 At $399, Says Analyst
And what happens when PC Handheld manufacturers cut back on the prices of their prior iterations, which will likely still be more powerful than the Switch 2? No overlap my ass
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I think they just might implement a separate voucher system for Switch 2 exclusives, when the line-up gets big enough
Re: Nintendo "Establishing Ways To Respond" To U.S. Tariffs, Says Furukawa
Hahaha!!! The first comment was the first casualty!!! I saw it in real-time. I love the mods of this site!!
Re: Nintendo "Establishing Ways To Respond" To U.S. Tariffs, Says Furukawa
Tariffs won't stop China from creating games that I love to play. I don't care. All involved parties can have the honour of my middle finger, and I mean both the givers and receivers.
Re: Review: WARRIORS: Abyss (Switch) - Middling Musou With A Dash Of Diablo & Hades
@SwitchVogel What is the target fps of the game and how well does it hit this target?
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No way. Sounds too good to be true
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@JohnnyMind @N00BiSH @-wc- @BringleWorkshop @PessitheMystic @Vil Happy Valentine's Day to you all!! I hope you all had the best possible ones.
Re: Nintendo's Palworld Lawsuit Might Go International As New Patents Land U.S. Approval
@Ralizah At the earlier parts of the State of Play particularly, a few of their games made it evident that they are pushing some family-friendly games, which is generally known to be Nintendo's territory. A few content creators noticed it and an article has come out confirming it - https://www.dualshockers.com/sony-plans-to-release-more-family-friendly-games-like-astro-bot/#:~:text=Summary,content%20updates%20for%20Astro%20Bot.
Basically, if Nintendo gets too careless, like they have with Pokemon, they could end paying a price for it. Not in the near future I think, but it's possible.
@Toastmaster I think Sony mostly messed up too, but there were about 3 or 4 games I liked enough to pay attention to.
Re: Nintendo's Palworld Lawsuit Might Go International As New Patents Land U.S. Approval
@nhSnork It's fine if you didn't spot anything. I'm happy with what I spotted.
Re: Nintendo's Palworld Lawsuit Might Go International As New Patents Land U.S. Approval
Here, it's a great thing Sony's been messing with Nintendo, as evidenced by yesterday's State of Play. They will eventually be humbled.
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I'm looking forward to it with optimistic caution
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SEGA pouring gasoline on me and lighting my soul on fire. I'm going to need to jump into an ocean to deal with this excitement.
Re: Legacy Of Kain: Soul Reaver 1 & 2 Remastered Is Getting Another Physical Switch Release
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Re: Legacy Of Kain: Soul Reaver 1 & 2 Remastered Is Getting Another Physical Switch Release
@seinfeldfanatic I was referring to how physical copies can still be a cue to download stuff, instead of actually having the game be on the physical cartridge you bought, silly.
Re: Legacy Of Kain: Soul Reaver 1 & 2 Remastered Is Getting Another Physical Switch Release
Great for the physical lovers. I hope it's actually a physical.
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@SalvorHardin Oh? That's interesting. I hope for the sake of gaming that they course correct soon enough, before that attitude ruins them.
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Great video Alex
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I love Kirby and Forgotten Land, my first introduction to Kirby besides playing Smash. The more Kirby games on Switch, the better!!
Re: Rocksteady Reportedly Working On A New Batman After Suicide Squad Disaster
Lol at "negative audience preconceptions". You don't get to kill off Batman and get positive anything, and that wasn't the only problem with KTJL. They are a long way from being trusted by players again.
Re: Hideki Kamiya Seemingly Confirms More Departures From PlatinumGames
@Mariotag Alrighty then. I hope you have as much fun with the games as I do... Cheers!!
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@rvcolem1 Word!! Preach!!
Re: Hideki Kamiya Seemingly Confirms More Departures From PlatinumGames
@Mariotag Ninja Gaiden Black and Ninja Gaiden 2 Black. Or alternatively, Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Ninja Gaiden 2 Sigma (Sigma and Sigma 2 are in the Master Collection).
I finished 2 for the first time on Switch a few days ago, and I've finished it on multiple consoles prior. Platinum trophy on PS3.
The game has received a few patches since release, and 2 runs better (60fps) than it did on launch. The first game never had a problem with fps, but it's the hardest of the lot, difficulty levels being equal.
I'm sure you already know this but just in case - the two games are not for those who don't like challenges, though they do have easy modes. I recommend the Sigma games over the Black games because they have more content.
Re: Hideki Kamiya Seemingly Confirms More Departures From PlatinumGames
@Keyblade-Dan Same. I'm really worried about it. The 3D Ninja Gaiden games under Itagaki are my favorite ever.
Re: Ex-PlayStation Boss On Switch 2's Name: Nintendo Created So Much "Brand Value"
@rjejr Which answer do you really want? My sober answer or my drunk answer? Choose carefully.