What they show of Zelda was very good. Can't fault them there.
However what Nintendo don't seem to get is that they need to excite more than just Nintendo fans.
Whereas Sony,MS and everyone else is trying to grab as many new fans as possible with news on hardware and a large variety of software, Nintendo just does one home console game. Yes the Wii U is pretty much dead but hype up its successor.
Anyone that believe showing ONE home console game at E3 is a success seriously has some Nintendo sunglasses issues.
I am not drilling anyone personally, just giving my opinion.
To me this E3 was an opportunity lost to reach a mass new audience.
Back to the game and man it looks awesome. Really can't be bothered to play this on a weak Wii U so I guess that means I get the NX.. Oh well.
@IronMan28 If they wait until late 2017 to launch the NX what do they in the meantime? The Wii U is practically dead. It's sales have bottomed out. One more big title is due on it.
Nintendo is a business. Nintendo needs good profitable products on the market as soon as possible.
I do understand what you are saying but business sense and the required risk that goes with it dictates that the NX must be launched asap. Watching Sony and MS to see what they do next while your profits sink is not intelligent IMO.
@CharlieSmile
I would seriously hope so. Considering the console is dropping in less than a year and good games take time. If the dev kits aren't out yet it would be a poor start for the NX.
The hardware is not the problem. It is the Nintendo OS that is vital to get to grips with, unless they only want ports.
Oh please. With Sony, MS and VR bringing new stuff to the party, that is where their priorities are.
The Wii U did jack for their profits and now they are hoping the NX does something remarkable (like sell half of Wii hardware, 50m plus), without having ANY IDEA what the NX is about.
@Daemonite I agree with you. I do not see kids with the 3DS and I see many kids on the bus and train on my way to work. Hell, I don't see ANYONE with handhelds ANYWHERE. It's all phone.
Roll back to my youth and wow!! EVERY kid had a game boy.
The sounds of Tetris and Dr Mario on my bus to school was the predominate soundtrack.
I thought Nintendo were already doing their utmost marketing to kids. Everything about Nintendo says "We are for kids". The kiddie lunchbox GameCube mentality is still there. What more do they need to do? IMO this is what is hurting them.
Kids don't want a kiddie console, strange as that may seem. The only people wanting a kiddie console are adults who... best leave it there.
Second party games like Bayonetta or third party like Devils Turd are not the norm. They are rarities. They probably make up less than 1% of all games (downloads or retail) on the Wii U.
If you bought a Wii U to play games like those two, well ....
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Pretty much the same in the UK. In a weird kinda way it makes me glad that the damn console is doing so badly in Britain.
At least in this case we can claim boldly that we are not mugs. Seriously, right now I wont pay £100 for a Wii U or maybe £150 if bundled with something awesome. Just my 2 cents.
A) NX is only a handheld console only.. where did this mob go? lol. B) NX is a home console only.. I believe this to be the case. C) NX is a hybrid of A and B.. Possiblities. D) MH is a handheld console... What?? Wait.. E) NX is a microwave oven... Come to think of it...
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think this game is absolutely RUBBISH. Others seems to think it's GOTY.
Anyone defending this game has poor taste. Putting everything else aside, how can anyone seriously think the glitches in this game is not a MAJOR issue?
As you correctly pointed out even Sega knew it was crap and tried to con people.
Did you know Sega didn't even allowed the game to be reviewed until it was on the shelves? Says it all.
@Tasuki
You nailed it. I am sure Nintendo saw this coming (they can't be that stupid) but how to react was the problem.
The move into mobile phone gaming had to happen. Everyone seems to think this is a sure fire plan that is going to be successful, but I have my doubts. In Japan, yes. But in the west not everyone still love Nintendo games like their fanboys like to think.
I remember as a kid in the 90s the PC was suppose to kill the console... at least the many PC mags I poured over back then claimed it would.
Then in the noughties they said the phone and later the tablet would kill the handheld.
The major difference..
It all comes down to support. The developers made the home consoles first choice and kept them relevant.
They now support the phones and tablets.
The writing was on the wall for handhelds. Apart from Japan that market is not really in great health.
This reminds me.. my workmate was telling he gave his son a new 3DS for christmas (after winning it at the christmas party).
His son (13, maybe 14 and was hoping for a tablet) looked at him like he was crazy with a face that said "What's this piece of %^&$?". But this is Britain.
@liveswired I am with you. All that nonsense about specs doesn't mean anything. What matters is the end results. Xbox fanboys can scream about both consoles being equal but yet Project Cars run at 1080p ~60fps on my brothers PS4 while my Xbox version gives me 900p ~45-50fps. That is not unusual. MS reps themselves admit the PS4 is more powerful when they were discussing how the cloud will give them the edge a couple years back. Ultimately people will believe whatever delusions they want.
@KingofSaiyanZ Lol. That's what you get on fansites. The NX can have 1gb of slow ram and games can cost $100.00, fans will still bow down and worship.
Seriously though, developers will have to buy these cartridges from Nintendo as they will obviously be propriety. Ain't going to happen. Developers have proven over and over again that they DO NOT need Nintendo. This sounds like the N64 all over again.
If Nintendo go cartridge then they have totally given up on third parties so don't really care any more.
@Toadthefox That's the thing right there. Nintendo has limited resources, hell everyone does.
How on earth can Nintendo hope to have enough titles ready for the NX in a year and at the same time announce new Wii U titles at E3? Yet I have read people are excited about E3 and Wii U. Fanboys, eh.
What they have been doing for the last two years is a good question. Becoming irrelevant in the mainstream console business and selling silly plastic toys and going mobile.
You know, preparing for their home console business to crash and burn.
@MadAussieBloke
Thank you. Finally someone that sees through Nintendo's and all their silly talk. They have been feeding the public this drivel for almost two decades. Promises of third-party support and constant supply of games.
I can't wait to hear Reggie say "there will be no drought on the NX because we learnt from ... blah blah..".
A console with only Nintendo games and childish online practices (no chat) is never going to sell well. Wii U again anyone?
The other half of the matter is that until the hardware is revealed, we will never quite know how the consumer reacts.
A weaker or equal console to the new PS4k and I will be surprise if it sells 3m in its first year. I honestly think it is going to be far weaker, with 4gb of RAM....this is Nintendo after all.
Lol, 8% is nothing. At the same time it is all relative. 8% falloff of MS or Apple stock is not quite the same as an 8% fall for Nintendo, don't let the figures fool you. Nintendo stock wasn't that amazing in the first place.
Until Nintendo give a better roadmap concerning the NX why should anyone invest? The mobile side of things look promising but until some hard figures show up it is just potential.
After the way Nintendo approached and dealt with the Wii U investors want to see if they have learnt and change their strategy.
From the way they are already going about the NX I would say no, but it may be too early to tell.
@MoonKnight7
So true. I remember Quorthon and although we had our disagreements I totally supported him on this one.. although I expected holidays 2016 more than March 2017.
This should shut up those who keep going on about launching in Christmas 2017 and the NX is only an handheld.
I don't believe they want to keep quiet about NX at E3. Nintendo has no idea how to create hype. No wonder the Wii u sold so poorly. They just don't advertise. Maybe that works in Japan but the west is built on hype.
I suspected they would announce that info today. I thought it would be launch holidays this year. I was three months out. How silly of Nintendo to miss out the major shopping season. I guess if three more months means better preparation for the launch I can't complain.
MS and Sony released their consoles in the west around November because analysis shows a far greater potential buyer's market around that time. Consumers make an effort.
I thought Nintendo would have figured this out. Oh well.
Still March 2017 makes more sense than holidays 2017. There is absolutely no way for Wii U to survive almost another year.
I guess this means all hands on deck for the NX. There will unlikely be any new major releases announced at E3 on what is now an officially DEAD Wii U. I have nothing against this. Get the NX and its software right. The future is now, the past is the past.
If E3 2015 was bad for Nintendo, without any talk of NX this year's will be far worst. All handheld and phone stuff.
These reports are aimed at shareholders and potential investors, not gamers. Potential investors need a roadmap, the company's plans going forward. From that point of view dates are the only thing likely about NX, but that is unlikely.
@Wexter
When you said "Microsoft is the most profitable company in the world" I knew there and then nothing factual will be in your post.
@IceClimbers
I agree with you. As much as fanboys try to dodge the truth, the sales don't lie.
Nintendo can make the greatest console ever made, their "Kiddie" status will always hurt them.
Nintendo released some of the best software in their history on the Wii U, it is still the worst selling console since the dreamcast.
No one apart from their fans care for a kiddie console.
This is 2016 and as long as Nintendo remains "kiddie" only people posting on these forums will buy the NX. Poor online gaming quality with no chat only appeals to a few people. Nintendo fans.
Their image isn't working to generate mass sales, it just appeals to an evaporating fanbase.
@Cesium06 That is it right there. The Iwata factor. This is what we discussed a while back - maybe it was another forum.
This is the difference this time around. No Iwata. But...
Is it really an Iwata or Nintendo factor? I argued it is a Nintendo factor and nothing will change. Others believe with Iwata's passing things will be different.
I hope you and the others are right and I am wrong.
@Cesium06
It seems you only visit this Nintendo site if you would have NOT heard the usual "this system isn't powerful enough" being thrown around about the NX.
Not long ago "NX can only do 900p" was the buzz on the game sites.
Like you I remember the Wii and Wii U rumours, especially the Wii u rumours. What I remember most is developers saying "how powerful it was" before launch. I remember the same devs saying "how rubbish it was" after it was released.
Unlike you I don't believe the NX would be any different. Nintendo are Nintendo. They no longer do powerful consoles. They do gimmicks.
It's the gimmick that excites me, not it's power, or should I say, it's lack of power.
@earthboundlink "They would fill the gap with Zelda and associated hype. They've already got Star Fox and a Slippy spinoff coming out. Zelda will probably release later this year. In the middle they'll just promote indie titles and VC-related stuff."
You said the console NX is dropping in the holidays of 2017 (almost two years from now). Now you say a couple of games and hype will keep a dead Wii U in business until then. Lol. You are funny.
I now believe (based on trusted reports) that the NX dev kits are now indeed in the hands of SOME developers as the article stated. That tells me the hardware is done and dusted.
So I am 99.9% sure NX is coming in 2016. To keep a much loved but economically dreadful Wii U alive much longer is insane business. With such pathetic sales it's never, ever going to make real money, just RELATIVE peanuts for a company of Nintendo's status.
Oh please!! They are doing exactly the same thing others did.
Slightly Mad kept saying the same thing about Project Cars up until the very last minute. They kept telling us "how beautiful" the game was shaping up on the Wii U. What hog waste.
This is just the political way to go about it.
@Peach64 What you say has some truth. People don't know how to use Kickstarter.
But as a Nintendo fan you must show a higher degree of intelligence.
Nintendo fans should know that a weak console like the Wii U is only ever going to get basic "cartoony" Kickstarter titles like Shovel Knight etc., Backing Kickstarter games along the lines of SK or Lukalalee is fine.
Giving money to projects like pCars or even this Road Redemption is a big NO. These devs simply do not have the resources and these games are a big risk on the Wii U. If the game is "cartoony" then it is likely to happen.
If you own a PS4 or Xbox then as long as the Kickstarter team is valid you will more likely see a return on your investment.
@Spoony_Tech Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger ones.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
@Spoony_Tech Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger ones.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
@Spoony_Tech Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger ones.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
@Spoony_Tech Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger ones.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
@Spoony_Tech Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger ones.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
@Spoony_Tech Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger ones.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
@Spoony_Tech
Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger developers.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
@Maxz LoL. I thought you knew. All their major efforts seems to be geared towards the NX for a while now, very possibly even before StarFox was announced. That is why these "lazy" games are coming out. Not to much effort required and a quick buck. Milk 'em, Nintendo milk 'em.
As a business Nintendo missed a trick here. Hope they learn on the NX.
Re-release all your Wii and Wii U games on the NX. It's easy money. You only have a small fanbase but they are loyal. Milk them. It's not nasty, it's business. Sell them the same damn game 10 times if you have too. Get those share prices up.
If no Zelda U updates will be disappointed. I hoped that new man in charge will change these Directs to be more marketing heavy ( ie, create hype) but I guess I was wrong. Every serious business loves hype, from the biggest (Apple), to the people behind the Rasberry Pi. But not so much Nintendo.
Talk about ALL your damn games even if it is only minuscule. That's what publishers do. Appeal to more than just Nintendo owners.
On some forums I find it funny that people are buying it for the updated graphics... the same people that once said graphics don't matter.
Nintendo should have done a whole lot more Wii and GameCube refurbished games to milk money. Not my money but I am sure there are enough people willing to buy the same game many times over. Nintendo missed a trick here.
Skyward Sword, Galaxy etc., refurbishes should already be in the works. Not many more people are going to buy the WiiU. Exploit those that did.
Lack of processing power with a gimmick worked in 2006. Great price, great sales, great profits, poor third-party.
Lack of processing power with a gimmick didn't work in 2012. Poor everything, especially the price. Too much money for very outdated tech, just to recuperate cost of the gimmick. Although I didn't pay full price for the WiiU (ASDA sellout) I still felt Nintendo was ripping us off. Just my opinion.
Lack of processing power WILL NOT work in 2017. No processing power, no third-party support. No third-party support, no success.
Nintendo fans seem to think everyone loves Nintendo games. NO. Only we do. 90m didn't come back for more with the WiiU. Not everyone is going to pay good money for vastly inferior hardware and be proud. At least with PS4 I get something no PC gets. 8GB GDDR5 System RAM.
This is 2016, not 2006.
If NX is ONLY a handheld (which I now consider silly speculation) why all the fuss about third-party support? Third-parties don't care about Nintendo handhelds. Why all the effort to get them onboard? Don't add up.
AMD let the cat out of the bag exactly the same way for PS4, XBone and now NX. AMD don't do handhelds.
@zool Yes, you are right - and wrong. But you misunderstood my statement.
You are right. The architecture under the hood does not necessarily concern the consumer, but it concerns the developers and that is what I am talking about. You said, quote: "...while at the same time have them backward compatible for the Wii U. Nintendo do not have to design separate games". Yes they do if the NX is running a new AMD (once ATI) chipset. It definitively will not be running the PowerPC and ATI CPU/GPU combo of the GameCube, Wii and WiiU.
Think for a sec. The Wii was described as two Gamecubes taped together. That was why it was simple to code LoZ:TP and release it on both at the same time. To write a game, for example The new Zelda, for WiiU and NX will be writing TWO games or at the very least include an inferior port.
One is RISC, the other is CISC, etc. Anyhow enough of this tech stuff. Let's agree to disagree.
What worries me is that I was misinformed that NX dev kits were out in the wild. If they are no dev kits in the wild then developers are NOT developing games for the NX at this moment.
@zool This is the thing. What architecture is the new console? If it is x86 then it is not a simple matter developing the same game for two different CPUs.
Iwata, before his passing, made it clear that NX is a new concept and a complete break away from the old. I hoped this meant no Backwards Compatibility. I know some people love it but personally I think it is just that, backwards. Nothing against those that want it.
@Project_Dolphin "No one complained about their company (Sony), though." Seriously??
Fanboys of MS and Nintendo have been glorifying and predicting Sony's demise for years - even on this site. Likewise the anti-Nintendo mob take pleasure in Nintendo's grief.
As for your last statement regarding Japanese baleouts for Sony, you really have no idea.
What kept Sony in business is its assets. Sony can sell these off to generate income, which is what they did during their hard times. They sold buildings, etc.,
Sony currently has assets of US$142 Billion. Before the last recession these were over US$200billion.
Look, I am not going to get into all that. I am no Sony fanboy... I am no fanboy period, but let's stick with the facts and Nintendo. This is a Nintendo forum afterall.
Nintendo is a gaming company, if that market fails they have nothing to fall back on.
Contrary to popular belief Nintendo is not invincible.
Nintendo is a business. A business has shareholders. Shareholders want big profits. These are the roughest times in Nintendo's history. Shareholders are disappointed when profits fall, even if others are happy with the peanuts.
The decisions Nintendo makes is what dictates their success or failure. I hope they make the right ones.
@Project_Dolphin
A profit is always better than a lost. Lower profits however is a sign of retardation in your company. Drastically lower profits is a sign of a company in free fall. It doesn't matter how much is in the bank. Such a massive slow down within your business is a gross NEGATIVE.
This doesn't mean a company can't come back. You mentioned SONY. Read their last FINANCIAL REPORT and stop speculating.
Between sales of the PS4, films like Spectre and music from Adele, their profits are in very good shape compared to where they were a few years back.
I think they made like $2bn net profit or something last report but DON'T quote me on that. My internet at work is rather slow so looking it up is a hassle.
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Re: Poll: Did Nintendo Triumph With The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild at E3?
What they show of Zelda was very good. Can't fault them there.
However what Nintendo don't seem to get is that they need to excite more than just Nintendo fans.
Whereas Sony,MS and everyone else is trying to grab as many new fans as possible with news on hardware and a large variety of software, Nintendo just does one home console game. Yes the Wii U is pretty much dead but hype up its successor.
Anyone that believe showing ONE home console game at E3 is a success seriously has some Nintendo sunglasses issues.
I am not drilling anyone personally, just giving my opinion.
To me this E3 was an opportunity lost to reach a mass new audience.
Back to the game and man it looks awesome. Really can't be bothered to play this on a weak Wii U so I guess that means I get the NX.. Oh well.
Re: Just Dance 2017 Coming to All "Motion-Control Gaming Platforms", Which Includes Nintendo NX
@IronMan28
If they wait until late 2017 to launch the NX what do they in the meantime? The Wii U is practically dead. It's sales have bottomed out. One more big title is due on it.
Nintendo is a business. Nintendo needs good profitable products on the market as soon as possible.
I do understand what you are saying but business sense and the required risk that goes with it dictates that the NX must be launched asap. Watching Sony and MS to see what they do next while your profits sink is not intelligent IMO.
Re: Just Dance 2017 Coming to All "Motion-Control Gaming Platforms", Which Includes Nintendo NX
@CharlieSmile
I would seriously hope so. Considering the console is dropping in less than a year and good games take time. If the dev kits aren't out yet it would be a poor start for the NX.
The hardware is not the problem. It is the Nintendo OS that is vital to get to grips with, unless they only want ports.
Re: Hong Kong Pokémon Fans Protest Over New Translation Issues with Sun and Moon
@FuzzyYellowBalls
So true. A handful of people protesting over a silly game is hopefully where humanity has not finally peaked.
I use the adjective "silly" because when compared to all the injustices in this world, it is silly.
Maybe I am just getting old. Maybe this is the future of being a Nintendo fanboy.
Re: US Retailer GameStop Hoping That Nintendo NX Can Arrest Decline In Hardware Sales
Oh please. With Sony, MS and VR bringing new stuff to the party, that is where their priorities are.
The Wii U did jack for their profits and now they are hoping the NX does something remarkable (like sell half of Wii hardware, 50m plus), without having ANY IDEA what the NX is about.
Re: Talking Point: The Online Reaction to Teddy Together Shows Why Nintendo Needs To Target Kids More Directly
@Daemonite
I agree with you. I do not see kids with the 3DS and I see many kids on the bus and train on my way to work. Hell, I don't see ANYONE with handhelds ANYWHERE. It's all phone.
Roll back to my youth and wow!! EVERY kid had a game boy.
The sounds of Tetris and Dr Mario on my bus to school was the predominate soundtrack.
Re: Talking Point: The Online Reaction to Teddy Together Shows Why Nintendo Needs To Target Kids More Directly
I thought Nintendo were already doing their utmost marketing to kids. Everything about Nintendo says "We are for kids". The kiddie lunchbox GameCube mentality is still there. What more do they need to do? IMO this is what is hurting them.
Kids don't want a kiddie console, strange as that may seem. The only people wanting a kiddie console are adults who... best leave it there.
Second party games like Bayonetta or third party like Devils Turd are not the norm. They are rarities. They probably make up less than 1% of all games (downloads or retail) on the Wii U.
If you bought a Wii U to play games like those two, well ....
Re: Kirby: Planet Robobot Continues Its Decent Sales in Japan
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
Pretty much the same in the UK. In a weird kinda way it makes me glad that the damn console is doing so badly in Britain.
At least in this case we can claim boldly that we are not mugs.
Seriously, right now I wont pay £100 for a Wii U or maybe £150 if bundled with something awesome. Just my 2 cents.
Re: Poll: Do You Want The Rumoured 'MH' Next Generation Portable to be Separate from NX?
I thought this rumour was dead and buried. Guess not.
Nintendo consoles do generate more speculation than the others.
This is obviously due to the abnormal aspects of their consoles.
After the Wii the question was what genius will they come up with next after the wiimote.
After the Wii U it is now a question of what ridiculous idea they have in mind after the gamepad.
After the 3DS and a rapidly diminishing handheld market people keen to see how they revitalise said market.
So yeah, plenty more rumours and speculation to come.
Re: Rumour: Nintendo's Next Generation Handheld Is Codenamed "MH"
A) NX is only a handheld console only.. where did this mob go? lol.
B) NX is a home console only.. I believe this to be the case.
C) NX is a hybrid of A and B.. Possiblities.
D) MH is a handheld console... What?? Wait..
E) NX is a microwave oven... Come to think of it...
Re: Video: Learn a Little More About Sonic Boom and The Rise (and Fall) of Lyric
@MarkyUppy
You are wasting your time.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think this game is absolutely RUBBISH. Others seems to think it's GOTY.
Anyone defending this game has poor taste. Putting everything else aside, how can anyone seriously think the glitches in this game is not a MAJOR issue?
As you correctly pointed out even Sega knew it was crap and tried to con people.
Did you know Sega didn't even allowed the game to be reviewed until it was on the shelves? Says it all.
Re: Study Suggests Rising Smartphone Ownership Among Kids Is Hitting Nintendo Hard
@Tasuki
You nailed it. I am sure Nintendo saw this coming (they can't be that stupid) but how to react was the problem.
The move into mobile phone gaming had to happen. Everyone seems to think this is a sure fire plan that is going to be successful, but I have my doubts. In Japan, yes. But in the west not everyone still love Nintendo games like their fanboys like to think.
I remember as a kid in the 90s the PC was suppose to kill the console... at least the many PC mags I poured over back then claimed it would.
Then in the noughties they said the phone and later the tablet would kill the handheld.
The major difference..
It all comes down to support. The developers made the home consoles first choice and kept them relevant.
They now support the phones and tablets.
The writing was on the wall for handhelds. Apart from Japan that market is not really in great health.
This reminds me.. my workmate was telling he gave his son a new 3DS for christmas (after winning it at the christmas party).
His son (13, maybe 14 and was hoping for a tablet) looked at him like he was crazy with a face that said "What's this piece of %^&$?". But this is Britain.
Re: Tatsumi Kimishima Reiterates That Nintendo NX Is A New Way Of Playing Games
@Yorumi
I was deliberately exaggerating my point on Nintendo fans
You still got the main aim of my statement and that's all that matters.
Re: Tatsumi Kimishima Reiterates That Nintendo NX Is A New Way Of Playing Games
@Yorumi
I really hope Nintendo do piss of they home console fanbase. I know it sounds horrible but this is business. I have argued this all along.
I'd rather lose 12m old fans and gain 30m new ones. Ideally you would want the best of both worlds but I don't see that happening.
Time to drop the "we don't want online chat", "we don't want good graphics", "we only want Nintendo games" etc, crowd.
Let's face it, they got nothing to lose - except the smallest home console fanbase of any major console manufacturer in almost two decades.
Re: Rumour: Sources Go to Battle Again Over Nintendo NX Power
@liveswired
I am with you. All that nonsense about specs doesn't mean anything. What matters is the end results.
Xbox fanboys can scream about both consoles being equal but yet Project Cars run at 1080p ~60fps on my brothers PS4 while my Xbox version gives me 900p ~45-50fps. That is not unusual. MS reps themselves admit the PS4 is more powerful when they were discussing how the cloud will give them the edge a couple years back.
Ultimately people will believe whatever delusions they want.
Re: Rumour: Sources Go to Battle Again Over Nintendo NX Power
Lol. There is no way the NX will be as powerful as she is speculating.
This is Nintendo, beginning with the Wii they sell innovation, not power. They sell the Wii Remote and the GamePad. They sell "the gimmick".
Both power and innovation combined is expensive. Nintendo sides with the innovation and focus less on the power.
Until Nintendo reveals the gimmick, I am not really interested.
Re: Reaction: The NX Could Benefit from Using Cartridges Instead of Discs
@KingofSaiyanZ
Lol. That's what you get on fansites. The NX can have 1gb of slow ram and games can cost $100.00, fans will still bow down and worship.
Seriously though, developers will have to buy these cartridges from Nintendo as they will obviously be propriety.
Ain't going to happen. Developers have proven over and over again that they DO NOT need Nintendo. This sounds like the N64 all over again.
If Nintendo go cartridge then they have totally given up on third parties so don't really care any more.
Re: Launching NX Next Year Is The "Proper" Thing To Do, Says Nintendo Boss Tatsumi Kimishima
@Toadthefox
That's the thing right there. Nintendo has limited resources, hell everyone does.
How on earth can Nintendo hope to have enough titles ready for the NX in a year and at the same time announce new Wii U titles at E3? Yet I have read people are excited about E3 and Wii U. Fanboys, eh.
What they have been doing for the last two years is a good question. Becoming irrelevant in the mainstream console business and selling silly plastic toys and going mobile.
You know, preparing for their home console business to crash and burn.
Re: Launching NX Next Year Is The "Proper" Thing To Do, Says Nintendo Boss Tatsumi Kimishima
@MadAussieBloke
Thank you. Finally someone that sees through Nintendo's and all their silly talk. They have been feeding the public this drivel for almost two decades. Promises of third-party support and constant supply of games.
I can't wait to hear Reggie say "there will be no drought on the NX because we learnt from ... blah blah..".
A console with only Nintendo games and childish online practices (no chat) is never going to sell well. Wii U again anyone?
The other half of the matter is that until the hardware is revealed, we will never quite know how the consumer reacts.
A weaker or equal console to the new PS4k and I will be surprise if it sells 3m in its first year. I honestly think it is going to be far weaker, with 4gb of RAM....this is Nintendo after all.
Re: Nintendo Share Price Drops Over 8% as Analysts Weigh in On NX and Mobile Plans
Lol, 8% is nothing. At the same time it is all relative. 8% falloff of MS or Apple stock is not quite the same as an 8% fall for Nintendo, don't let the figures fool you. Nintendo stock wasn't that amazing in the first place.
Until Nintendo give a better roadmap concerning the NX why should anyone invest? The mobile side of things look promising but until some hard figures show up it is just potential.
After the way Nintendo approached and dealt with the Wii U investors want to see if they have learnt and change their strategy.
From the way they are already going about the NX I would say no, but it may be too early to tell.
Re: Nintendo NX Will Be Launched Globally in March 2017
@MoonKnight7
So true. I remember Quorthon and although we had our disagreements I totally supported him on this one.. although I expected holidays 2016 more than March 2017.
This should shut up those who keep going on about launching in Christmas 2017 and the NX is only an handheld.
I don't believe they want to keep quiet about NX at E3. Nintendo has no idea how to create hype. No wonder the Wii u sold so poorly. They just don't advertise. Maybe that works in Japan but the west is built on hype.
Re: Nintendo NX Will Be Launched Globally in March 2017
I suspected they would announce that info today. I thought it would be launch holidays this year. I was three months out. How silly of Nintendo to miss out the major shopping season. I guess if three more months means better preparation for the launch I can't complain.
MS and Sony released their consoles in the west around November because analysis shows a far greater potential buyer's market around that time. Consumers make an effort.
I thought Nintendo would have figured this out. Oh well.
Still March 2017 makes more sense than holidays 2017. There is absolutely no way for Wii U to survive almost another year.
I guess this means all hands on deck for the NX. There will unlikely be any new major releases announced at E3 on what is now an officially DEAD Wii U. I have nothing against this. Get the NX and its software right. The future is now, the past is the past.
If E3 2015 was bad for Nintendo, without any talk of NX this year's will be far worst. All handheld and phone stuff.
Re: Feature: Key Details to Look Out for in Nintendo's Vital Financial Reports and Briefings
These reports are aimed at shareholders and potential investors, not gamers.
Potential investors need a roadmap, the company's plans going forward.
From that point of view dates are the only thing likely about NX, but that is unlikely.
Re: Poll: NX and Mobile Make This a Defining Year for Nintendo - Are You Optimistic?
@Wexter
When you said "Microsoft is the most profitable company in the world" I knew there and then nothing factual will be in your post.
@IceClimbers
I agree with you. As much as fanboys try to dodge the truth, the sales don't lie.
Nintendo can make the greatest console ever made, their "Kiddie" status will always hurt them.
Nintendo released some of the best software in their history on the Wii U, it is still the worst selling console since the dreamcast.
No one apart from their fans care for a kiddie console.
This is 2016 and as long as Nintendo remains "kiddie" only people posting on these forums will buy the NX. Poor online gaming quality with no chat only appeals to a few people. Nintendo fans.
Their image isn't working to generate mass sales, it just appeals to an evaporating fanbase.
Re: Nintendo Life Weekly: NX Rumours Continue to Flow, Hacker Streams 3DS to PC Wirelessly and More
@Cesium06
That is it right there. The Iwata factor. This is what we discussed a while back - maybe it was another forum.
This is the difference this time around. No Iwata. But...
Is it really an Iwata or Nintendo factor?
I argued it is a Nintendo factor and nothing will change. Others believe with Iwata's passing things will be different.
I hope you and the others are right and I am wrong.
Re: Nintendo Life Weekly: NX Rumours Continue to Flow, Hacker Streams 3DS to PC Wirelessly and More
@Cesium06
It seems you only visit this Nintendo site if you would have NOT heard the usual "this system isn't powerful enough" being thrown around about the NX.
Not long ago "NX can only do 900p" was the buzz on the game sites.
Like you I remember the Wii and Wii U rumours, especially the Wii u rumours. What I remember most is developers saying "how powerful it was" before launch. I remember the same devs saying "how rubbish it was" after it was released.
Unlike you I don't believe the NX would be any different. Nintendo are Nintendo. They no longer do powerful consoles. They do gimmicks.
It's the gimmick that excites me, not it's power, or should I say, it's lack of power.
Re: Twilight Princess HD and Pokkén Tournament Perform Well in US NPD Charts
@rjejr
Lol. Well said. I have nothing against a company milking those who are happy to be milked. Business is business.
I care about the fans that don't want to be milked.
Re: Reminder: Six Wii U Games Are Now Discounted to Nintendo Selects Prices in the European eShop
Lol. I got the physical copies of those games, both new and second hand, for a fraction of those prices.
For example I paid £14.00 for a brand new copy of DK:TP over a year ago. Undercover was even cheaper I think.
I got NintendoLand for £4.00 at GameXchange
BTW I got LoZ:WW free download with MK8, my only retail game not on disc.
Re: Guide: All The Nintendo NX Release Date Rumours, Details, Games And More
@earthboundlink
"They would fill the gap with Zelda and associated hype. They've already got Star Fox and a Slippy spinoff coming out. Zelda will probably release later this year. In the middle they'll just promote indie titles and VC-related stuff."
You said the console NX is dropping in the holidays of 2017 (almost two years from now). Now you say a couple of games and hype will keep a dead Wii U in business until then. Lol. You are funny.
I now believe (based on trusted reports) that the NX dev kits are now indeed in the hands of SOME developers as the article stated. That tells me the hardware is done and dusted.
So I am 99.9% sure NX is coming in 2016.
To keep a much loved but economically dreadful Wii U alive much longer is insane business. With such pathetic sales it's never, ever going to make real money, just RELATIVE peanuts for a company of Nintendo's status.
Re: Road Redemption Developer Says It's Still "Actively Pursuing Wii U Development"
Oh please!! They are doing exactly the same thing others did.
Slightly Mad kept saying the same thing about Project Cars up until the very last minute. They kept telling us "how beautiful" the game was shaping up on the Wii U. What hog waste.
This is just the political way to go about it.
Re: Road Redemption's Wii U Release is Looking Rather Doubtful
@Peach64
What you say has some truth.
People don't know how to use Kickstarter.
But as a Nintendo fan you must show a higher degree of intelligence.
Nintendo fans should know that a weak console like the Wii U is only ever going to get basic "cartoony" Kickstarter titles like Shovel Knight etc.,
Backing Kickstarter games along the lines of SK or Lukalalee is fine.
Giving money to projects like pCars or even this Road Redemption is a big NO. These devs simply do not have the resources and these games are a big risk on the Wii U.
If the game is "cartoony" then it is likely to happen.
If you own a PS4 or Xbox then as long as the Kickstarter team is valid you will more likely see a return on your investment.
Re: Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 3 Makes Impressive Sales Debut in Japan
Yep, something is NOT right. You don't "run out" of a poorly selling console in ONE market.
It's not like the Wii U ever sold like hot cakes in the first place.
If Nintendo can keep a more than ample supply in the west it should be able to do the same in Japan. That's how GOOD business logistics works.
To me this is deliberate and only means one thing.
Re: Ubisoft Is Trying To Quell Beyond Good And Evil 2 NX Rumours
@Spoony_Tech
Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger ones.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
Re: Ubisoft Is Trying To Quell Beyond Good And Evil 2 NX Rumours
@Spoony_Tech
Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger ones.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
Re: Ubisoft Is Trying To Quell Beyond Good And Evil 2 NX Rumours
@Spoony_Tech
Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger ones.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
Re: Ubisoft Is Trying To Quell Beyond Good And Evil 2 NX Rumours
@Spoony_Tech
Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger ones.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
Re: Ubisoft Is Trying To Quell Beyond Good And Evil 2 NX Rumours
@Spoony_Tech
Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger ones.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
Re: Ubisoft Is Trying To Quell Beyond Good And Evil 2 NX Rumours
@Spoony_Tech
Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger ones.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
Re: Ubisoft Is Trying To Quell Beyond Good And Evil 2 NX Rumours
@Spoony_Tech
Bayo and Devils Third developers are not in the same ballpark as UbiSoft. As someone pointed out Ubisoft don't need Nintendo money. They can release the game on all platforms and probably make much more.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you and I too will like it to be true. But even if it is conjecture, it still has to add up.
I will support you by saying third parties are not fools. They are not going to invest heavily in a NX launch game without some financial prodding base on Nintendos recent sales history. Even the bigger developers.
UbiSoft was the biggest third party risk taker with the WiiUs launch. ZombiU. AC, along with pretty much every other third party game were cheap, low cost, low risk x360 ports. I can't see this being any better on the NX. The NX is rumoured to be a x86 processor system so I can see a lot of already released ports coming but not much new.
I won't totally write it off, but I won't put my car on it.
Re: Review: World Driver Championship (N64)
Nope. Never heard of this one. 1999 was it, must have been too busy thinking about 2000 and PS2... or a girl.
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD Leads the Way for Nintendo in UK Charts
@argh4430
I am talking strictly about Wii U RETAIL releases. That's the money I am talking about. Not anything else.
Re: Video: Feast Your Eyes On Star Fox Zero's Opening Story Cinematic
@Maxz
LoL. I thought you knew. All their major efforts seems to be geared towards the NX for a while now, very possibly even before StarFox was announced.
That is why these "lazy" games are coming out. Not to much effort required and a quick buck. Milk 'em, Nintendo milk 'em.
Re: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD Leads the Way for Nintendo in UK Charts
As a business Nintendo missed a trick here. Hope they learn on the NX.
Re-release all your Wii and Wii U games on the NX. It's easy money.
You only have a small fanbase but they are loyal. Milk them. It's not nasty, it's business. Sell them the same damn game 10 times if you have too.
Get those share prices up.
Re: Feature: What We Expect from Nintendo Direct - 3rd March
If no Zelda U updates will be disappointed.
I hoped that new man in charge will change these Directs to be more marketing heavy ( ie, create hype) but I guess I was wrong.
Every serious business loves hype, from the biggest (Apple), to the people behind the Rasberry Pi. But not so much Nintendo.
Talk about ALL your damn games even if it is only minuscule. That's what publishers do. Appeal to more than just Nintendo owners.
Re: Review: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD (Wii U)
On some forums I find it funny that people are buying it for the updated graphics... the same people that once said graphics don't matter.
Nintendo should have done a whole lot more Wii and GameCube refurbished games to milk money. Not my money but I am sure there are enough people willing to buy the same game many times over. Nintendo missed a trick here.
Skyward Sword, Galaxy etc., refurbishes should already be in the works. Not many more people are going to buy the WiiU. Exploit those that did.
Re: Rumour Buster: Let's Clarify Some Issues With Those Recent Nintendo NX Predictions
Last decade of Nintendo home consoles.
Lack of processing power with a gimmick worked in 2006. Great price, great sales, great profits, poor third-party.
Lack of processing power with a gimmick didn't work in 2012.
Poor everything, especially the price. Too much money for very outdated tech, just to recuperate cost of the gimmick. Although I didn't pay full price for the WiiU (ASDA sellout) I still felt Nintendo was ripping us off. Just my opinion.
Lack of processing power WILL NOT work in 2017. No processing power, no third-party support. No third-party support, no success.
Nintendo fans seem to think everyone loves Nintendo games. NO. Only we do. 90m didn't come back for more with the WiiU. Not everyone is going to pay good money for vastly inferior hardware and be proud. At least with PS4 I get something no PC gets. 8GB GDDR5 System RAM.
This is 2016, not 2006.
If NX is ONLY a handheld (which I now consider silly speculation) why all the fuss about third-party support? Third-parties don't care about Nintendo handhelds. Why all the effort to get them onboard? Don't add up.
AMD let the cat out of the bag exactly the same way for PS4, XBone and now NX. AMD don't do handhelds.
Re: Nintendo Acknowledges Tough Conditions by Cutting Profit and Sales Forecasts
@zool
Yes, you are right - and wrong. But you misunderstood my statement.
You are right. The architecture under the hood does not necessarily concern the consumer, but it concerns the developers and that is what I am talking about.
You said, quote: "...while at the same time have them backward compatible for the Wii U. Nintendo do not have to design separate games".
Yes they do if the NX is running a new AMD (once ATI) chipset. It definitively will not be running the PowerPC and ATI CPU/GPU combo of the GameCube, Wii and WiiU.
Think for a sec. The Wii was described as two Gamecubes taped together. That was why it was simple to code LoZ:TP and release it on both at the same time.
To write a game, for example The new Zelda, for WiiU and NX will be writing TWO games or at the very least include an inferior port.
One is RISC, the other is CISC, etc.
Anyhow enough of this tech stuff. Let's agree to disagree.
What worries me is that I was misinformed that NX dev kits were out in the wild. If they are no dev kits in the wild then developers are NOT developing games for the NX at this moment.
Re: Nintendo Acknowledges Tough Conditions by Cutting Profit and Sales Forecasts
@Project_Dolphin
OK. I see what you meant.
@zool
This is the thing. What architecture is the new console? If it is x86 then it is not a simple matter developing the same game for two different CPUs.
Iwata, before his passing, made it clear that NX is a new concept and a complete break away from the old.
I hoped this meant no Backwards Compatibility. I know some people love it but personally I think it is just that, backwards. Nothing against those that want it.
Re: Nintendo Acknowledges Tough Conditions by Cutting Profit and Sales Forecasts
@Project_Dolphin
"No one complained about their company (Sony), though."
Seriously??
Fanboys of MS and Nintendo have been glorifying and predicting Sony's demise for years - even on this site. Likewise the anti-Nintendo mob take pleasure in Nintendo's grief.
As for your last statement regarding Japanese baleouts for Sony, you really have no idea.
What kept Sony in business is its assets. Sony can sell these off to generate income, which is what they did during their hard times. They sold buildings, etc.,
Sony currently has assets of US$142 Billion. Before the last recession these were over US$200billion.
Look, I am not going to get into all that. I am no Sony fanboy... I am no fanboy period, but let's stick with the facts and Nintendo. This is a Nintendo forum afterall.
Nintendo is a gaming company, if that market fails they have nothing to fall back on.
Contrary to popular belief Nintendo is not invincible.
Nintendo is a business. A business has shareholders. Shareholders want big profits. These are the roughest times in Nintendo's history. Shareholders are disappointed when profits fall, even if others are happy with the peanuts.
The decisions Nintendo makes is what dictates their success or failure. I hope they make the right ones.
Re: Nintendo Acknowledges Tough Conditions by Cutting Profit and Sales Forecasts
@Project_Dolphin
A profit is always better than a lost. Lower profits however is a sign of retardation in your company. Drastically lower profits is a sign of a company in free fall. It doesn't matter how much is in the bank. Such a massive slow down within your business is a gross NEGATIVE.
This doesn't mean a company can't come back. You mentioned SONY. Read their last FINANCIAL REPORT and stop speculating.
Between sales of the PS4, films like Spectre and music from Adele, their profits are in very good shape compared to where they were a few years back.
I think they made like $2bn net profit or something last report but DON'T quote me on that. My internet at work is rather slow so looking it up is a hassle.