We trust you've had your calendars marked for the momentous day - 27th April, Nintendo Earnings Release. No? Well, that's understandable, but it's actually more interesting than it sounds. The end of the financial year and its reports are among the most important presentations Nintendo gives to investors and, as a result, can be rather intriguing for fans as well.
Don't believe us? In past years Nintendo has made a handful of notable reveals to investors, such as Wii U GamePad functionality and DS games for the Virtual Console, release windows for major games and even the first details of amiibo, which was presented as the Nintendo Figurine Platform.
What makes the year-end presentations intriguing comes in two forms - Nintendo addresses its performance over the past year (potentially not great this time, in light of revised estimates from Q3), but also tries to convince investors of good times to come. It's a tightrope act, then, as Nintendo will aim to discuss and reveal enough to keep the share value healthy, while holding back the most significant details for upcoming Directs, events and / or E3.
So, what can we expect? Ahead of what is a hugely significant financial year for the company Nintendo will need to lift the lid a little, without blowing it off and scuppering its plans for more mainstream and publicised occasions. The timing, though, and the transitions the company is currently preparing, make this the most important financial reports and briefings in some time.
Below, then, are what we think are key areas that company President Tatsumi Kimishima will cover.
A Timeline and Reassurances on the NX Reveal
The chances of Nintendo revealing the NX concept itself are pretty much zero, as that will surely wait for a high profile streamed event before or during E3, assuming it's at the stage where it can be shown.
That said, the topic will come up, and with both 3DS and Wii U on course for relatively modest sales the pressure is on Nintendo to demonstrate that it's ready to re-capture the console gaming space. As such Kimishima-san is likely to focus on reassuring investors. There may be talk around software support (in terms of numbers, partners on board), more carefully chosen words about a new way to play games and so on. What we might also have is a timeline for a full reveal - investor briefings have, in the past, been used to state that details of major products are due soon, so we may learn just when NX will be emerging into the spotlight.
The Next Nintendo / DeNA Apps
This is an area where more concrete details may emerge. With Miitomo out in the market and multiple games due on mobile platforms before 1st April 2017, Nintendo will need to step on the gas and start announcing and releasing these apps.
The company has previously stated that we should expect major franchises to emerge in these DeNA collaborations, and that could certainly be a focus here. It wouldn't be too surprising, in fact, if the next app is revealed in detail, lifting the lid on which IP will be shifting to our phones and tablets. Investors have often been the most vocal around the need for Nintendo to invest in mobile gaming, and as a result this will surely be a key area of focus as Kimishima-san demonstrates the company's ambition to perform well on iOS and Android.
The Pokémon and Legend of Zelda Anniversaries
The investor briefing has occasionally been used as an opportunity to talk up the company's brand power and notable occasions with franchises. Though there are a lot of franchise anniversaries this year, Pokémon and The Legend of Zelda are likely to have the most focus due to confirmed major releases on the way for 3DS and Wii U (with the NX rumoured for Zelda).
In terms of what actual details may emerge, there could be broad comments about plans for the franchises (including licensing opportunities), and potential indications of when we can expect to learn more about the latest Legend of Zelda title and Pokémon Sun and Moon; with the latter we know that CoroCoro magazine will have a feature in mid-May, but beyond that it's still very much a mystery. If Nintendo is planning any special events or promotions to emphasize the anniversary years, meanwhile, they could come up. We wouldn't be surprised to see a mention of Pokémon Go, either.
Comforting Words for Wii U and 3DS Owners
It's been clear for some time that Nintendo's resources have been shifting away from Wii U and 3DS, especially so in the case of the home console. A few slides of Kimishima-san's President's Presentation, then, will be reserved for the current-gen systems and to highlight some upcoming games and details.
In the Q3 presentation, for example, there was talk of the 3DS targeting young gamers and women more, for example, while the success of Nintendo Selects ranges were highlighted. Themes like these may emerge once again, and it'll be interesting to see if Nintendo confirms any particular strategies such as price drops or more budget ranges for the coming year.
A Statement of Ambition, or Otherwise, With Profit Projections
Nintendo has, in the past couple of years, returned to relatively solid profits. These haven't come from improved sales but rather careful business management and favourable currency exchange rates - in fact, Nintendo's sales revenue has continue to decline as profits have slowly crept up. Yet the new financial year will bring multiple mobile games and (we assume) a new generation of gaming hardware.
As a result it'll be intriguing to see what profits Nintendo estimates. Even accounting for the fact that it'll be careful to avoid major reveals being saved for later in the year, it'll nevertheless put its cards on the table to say whether it expects to make a lot of cash. Investors will be demanding as much.
If the company does predict handsome 'Nintendo-like' profits, then we'll have a further indication of its confidence in its next generation of gaming.
Beyond these areas we could learn a little more about other key parts of Nintendo business. There are likely to be early status reports on Miitomo and the Nintendo Account / My Nintendo programme, while amiibo and eShop sales will also be a factor. Overall there could be a lot of interesting detail to take in.
The financial reports will come first, due on 27th April near the close of the working day in Japan (early morning in Europe, late night in North America) - the investor briefing will follow shortly after, and an investor Q & A will likely follow later in the week. We'll be following them all closely here on Nintendo Life.
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I don't know if Nintendo realizes this or not, or if I'm even correct in saying this, but isn't it also the Metroid 30th anniversary? Also I'm quite excited to hear some news from Nintendo. Even if it isn't the biggest news. Just something to add to the excitement a little and maybe disperse some of or all of the rumors surrounding it as of now.
I hope there's good news about the NX from the briefing even if just to give us its official name. I know the big reveal will come at E3. It would be nice too if they remembered that it's Metroid's 30th anniversary. And no MP: FF doesn't count. Some new Wii U games would be great. What's left?
1. Tokyo Mirage Sessions Sharp Fire Emblem: Fortissimo Edition. A lazily translated, heavily censored niche J-Pop RPG.
2. Paper Mario: Colour Splash. Who knows? Could go in any direction. The initial reception was mixed at best.
3. Zelda U. Likely to be at least ported to NX and that would probably be the definitive version. It should be some swansong though.
Makes for grim reading.
The biggest thing I took away from this article was that Tatsumi Kimishima actually can smile.
Something about the nx. Something solid, not just the code name and coming soon bs.
Ok, it's tomorrow. I knew it was this week but forgot the actual date. Looks like it'll be easy to see what happened when I wake up just from general reactions.
@Kris_Gunn It is, Metroid came out in 1986 but we're assuming Nintendo will either ignore the anniversary or point to Federation Force.
I hope they expand the Selects line and have a couple of big 3DS surprises up their sleeves.
@GN004Nadleeh Unfortunately, that's all you're going to get until E3
@Mr_Zurkon I believe there's supposed to be a second wave of Selects towards the end of the year.
@Grumblevolcano Oh... Well that's a little underwhelming... I mean hopefully maybe at E3 there could be a big Metroid related surprise... I can hope at least... I mean Zelda got that whole huge E3 thing for its 25th anniversary... Nintendo's seemed to be sort of ignoring anniversaries recently (aside from Pokemon) I'll stay optimistic though I have faith in Nintendo.
Or they could just give up on the NX, Mobile, Wii U, 3DS, theme parks, TV show and movies and just concentrate on Pachinko machines!
(That was a joke, just in case you didn't get that).
@Kris_Gunn Well Color Splash is celebrating Paper Mario's 15th anniversary and you how the reaction to that has been.
I find it funny that people expect major reveals from financial report. Of course Nintendo won't say NX's real name or the games they plan on releasing.
That's E3 material.
The more they keep the information secret until the E3 presentation the stronger the hype train will get.
Tomorrow, today in Japan, they'll probably just reiterate the things they've already said on the last Direct, and maybe hint at a new console coming soon.
Just relax, people.
This is a financial briefing to the shareholders, so expect lots of figures and charts and not to many clues about what products will be on consumers shelves soon.
Nintendo will not be communicating Directly to us, the fans, tomorrow.
@Grumblevolcano I'm reserving my judgement on the game for now. I'd like to play it before I decide what I think of it. I'm hoping maybe they saw the reaction to Sticker Star and will go from there.
Hope we get some info regarding the NX but I'm not expecting anything major tho. Federation Force looks like the 30th Metroid anniversary game .
Investors don't necessarily know or care much about the product the company they have invest in produce. They would be more interested in the track record the company has.
Telling an investor that there is a new home console referred to as NX due this year, would in its self make an investor think about the Wii and the Wii U and which one would the NX replicate.
Fund managers may keep or increase Nintendo shares in their fund if they think Nintendo is s safe bet for the next few years.
Nintendo need to convince then that they are.
@johnodaz I'd wager they will announce "new hardware" will be released on the current fiscal year with which they hope will bring back the "Nintendo-like profits". That could mean any time this year to March 2017.
And that's what everyone was already expecting. Nothing major out of it.
I know this takes place in Japan so what time and what day does it take place in the United States Eastern Standard Time? I wanted to try to watch it!
Don't really expect to hear much about NX at a financial meeting. I would hope to hear about backwards compatibility and a cloud based account, and a rededication to the virtual console. But, knowing Nintendo, they'll just bumble their way to E3 and somehow fall flat on their face. My expectations are non existent right now.
@Flauber I'd have to go back and check but wasn't the Wii's name outed at a one of these... a quick googling says the Wii name was announced on 27/4/06... so almost 10 years ago.
@abe_hikura Well, I didn't remember that. But the Wii name reveal set the Web ablaze like wildfire. No one was indifferent to it, and Nintendo was fully aware of that, those times Nintendo marketing chiefs surely knew how to get the attention, so it made sense that Nintendo wanted people to have time to process it ahead of E3.
Not expecting much of anything on NX. I am, however, expecting their second mobile title to be unveiled in the briefing presentation that follows the financial meeting.
I think at best the most new information we will get is either NX's official name or when we should expect to hear more about it.
@Tetroy64 There's nothing to watch. It's a behind closed doors meeting for investors and shareholders only. It is during office hours in Japan, making it later in most other parts of the world by up to half a day, the US only a couple of hours later.
If any relevant NX/Zelda/DeNA info is to come out of it, we will probably hear from it the next day, at the earliest.
EDIT: The time difference makes it happen earlier in Japan, NOT later, my bad. The meeting is taking place today, since in Japan it is already the 27th, meaning we will either know something later tonight or tomorrow morning.
@TheRealThanos The financial numbers will be available tonight at least. Wonder how much Splatoon has sold overall now. Also curious to see early Miitomo figures and of course amiibo sales figures.
@IceClimbers Yeah, I was about to correct my statement since it actually already IS the 27th in Japan, so the meeting is "today"...
@Samurai_Goroh Yeah I'm expecting to not hear about its actual name unless its incredibly weird, I do however suspect they'll confirm its not "Wii" or "DS" branded this time.
Certainly a good start for the NX official hype machine
@abe_hikura "April 27, 2006, immediately before E3", yeah, you are right. Apparently during financial report then.
Well, who knows. Not getting hopes up, anyway.
I would actually prefer if they did everything on E3, though.
For those expecting the NX: don't expect much, okay. It's very unlikely they'd reveal anything substantial about it.
@Steel76 Gosh I'd absolutely love that. Kid Icarus Uprising was an incredible game. The two analog sticks would be perfect for playing it too. I'd agree that Kid Icarus probably won't get much attention this year, but we can hope
Well, at least if anything is announced it will be more reliable than rumour. Maybe there will be some fleshing out of previous announcements and perhaps little snippets of interesting information.
I just hope they keep the NX name or some type of it, still like the 'NEX' name that was bandying about on the nets last month.
But yeah, we will hear nothing about what the NX is, just about what profits are being made and hopefully what profits can be made for the next year with a 'New system' coming later this year.
E3 will be the big one. That's June 7th isn't it? Month and a bit away, not too far away.
@Samurai_Goroh Cool.
As long as they don't get some kind of share shakeup I'm not really concerned about the briefing. I just want a smooth path to E3.
@IceClimbers Oooh! I'm really curious to both of those as well. Miitomo allegedly has been doing really well from what I hear and Splatoon has to have sold amazingly
@readyletsgo NEX sounds really clever! I like it! A little homage of sorts to the NES. The going back to the red and white coloring also sort of backs it up as well.
I'm going to keep posting what I have the last few days.
Say that the NX will have a traditional controller. the new pres can just say that, mic drop and leave, and I'll be happy.
I feel like we should more look forward to all the stupid questions, and try to guess them,
For example
1) VR is big, what you are going to do about it, and are you guys going to use your history of owning love hotels as the basis of your VR games?
2) Why haven't you guys just gone full mobile only?
3) Why isn't Mario being pimped out like Minecraft?
4) Why am I not becoming a millionaire with this stock? When are you going to lay off everyone so I can profit?
5) Why do you guys make stupid kiddie games still?
6) Why haven't the Mariners traded for a better starting pitcher?
And so on...
@Dakt
Hard to say. I will say that the Marios have a glow behind them as well, but something does seem a little "off" about it.
My prediction is that Nintendo will announce something and then "fans" will immediately rush to the message boards to complain about it without even giving it a chance first.
@Cyberbotv2 Believe man,believe!
I'd settle for even a little slice of NX news
The most important thing to remember of course is to keep your expectations reasonable!
And if you're unsure what 'reasonable' is think 'low'.
This is not a Direct, it's not planned as a big exciting reveal. It's not even really meant for us as their player base and fans. It's intended for investors and shareholders and the like. It just happens to be a thing that occasionally we are able to glean snippets of information from and we might get something interesting this time, but that is not the intention. This is not Nintendo's plan for the grand NX unveiling.
So don't flip out when info is sparse, details are unclear on non-existent, when your favourite franchise isn't announced or your biggest gripe is left unresolved. That isn't what this is intended for so don't expect it.
Reasonable (low) expectations, okay?
When you say April 27th, is that our April 27th or their April 27th? Japan kinda lives in the future and is a day ahead of us.
Question: Is Kimishima president of NCL in that picture?
@TheRealThanos Sounds great! Good to know! I do own some Nintendo shares so just curious to whether I can view it or not. When Disney has their shareholder meeting it is live streamed to shareholders of which I am also! Nice profile pic btw. RIP Prince!
@MoonKnight7 @Dakt They've put a light source directly behind him for the photograph. Probably very deliberately to give him that glow. Look at the Mario plushie to the right.
@XCWarrior #6 is gold
@abe_hikura That's what I've been saying.
@XCWarrior These questions are entertaining. Please provide more.
Seriously though, investors and the stock market in general is just pure evil. People buy out companies, then loan money from companies they already own, then make money from dividends and interest etc stuff like that. And politicians let it happen (because they're involved). Fun fun fun.
But yeah, I expect we'll get a few decent snippets of info from this meeting.
What about metroid anniversary?!!!
This Nintendo investor meeting is the polar opposite of a Nintendo direct lol.
@OorWullie : I'll try, I really will. But I've lost so much hope with Nintendo. I'll hope for the best.
@XCWarrior
7) Is the NX a toaster?
@XCWarrior Continuing with my dumb questions that may be asked at the investors meeting...
7) My son tells me birds are the key to a successful game. Angry Bird, Flappy Bird, Big Bird, and so on... where's Nintendo's bird? I suggest utilizing recent events and make an "Iwata Bird!"
8) Hey, these amiibo things are selling, unlike your dumb video games. Drop video games, and let's do toys only!
9) So this Pokemon mobile app, you are going to charge people for every Pokemon right?
10) Marvel is making a killing on all of their movies. Let's do a Super Mario movie! What could possibly go wrong?
11) My grandson told me to tell you, "Metroid Prime: Federation Force" sucks. I'm sure he's already played it and not just watched videos of it on the internet. So why did you guys release such a bad game?
12) Look President Kimish-...whatever, I can't say your name. So, can I just call you Kimmy?
Can't wait to see how the fiscal year went for them!
And, yes, I am thinking about (at least a little bit of) NX news.
@XCWarrior Good show, sir
@Kris_Gunn 'The going back to the red and white coloring also sort of backs it up as well.'
Yeah totally! Prob not true at all but it was be pretty neat!
@Tetroy64 You're welcome. You will probably be able to download a report in pdf format from here after the presentation is done:
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/index.html and you will also find other information there such as schedules and planned events. (not Directs, obviously, only shareholder events and financials)
As for how Disney does meetings like this: Nintendo will never do that. At the core, they are still a VERY traditional, Japanese company and so they won't bring any camera's into the meeting.
Afterwards they WILL have a press conference, like they always do, outlining the larger points of the meeting, but not everything will be divulged.
Glad you like the profile pic, although it's only temporary. (kinda got infected by @rjejr and his frequent avatar swapping) But since I'm a fan of his music and he obviously passed on WAY too soon, I thought this would be a nice way to pay my respects.
But in a couple of days when I will have to add yet another year to my life, I will once again revert to my angry Titan-self...
@3MonthBeef Well, I wasn't into picture swapping at all, until getting acquainted with @rjejr and the reasons why he does it.
Before I always felt I should somehow stay true to my forum name and picture, because changing my avatar felt similar to changing my name, but I guess an occasional swap won't do much harm...
Maybe I'll take a more recent Thanos pic in honor of my own birthday. Might also change my name to one of the options that was deemed better by King Avatar Swapper. Guess you'll have to wait and see...
This just in: https://twitter.com/serkantoto/status/725007639810203648
I would temper expectations everyone.
I think the most we can hope for is a solid confirmation the NX is indeed coming this year.
@XCWarrior It's the fact that, even with plenty of good hitters, they can't hit that's holding the Mariners back. Felix, Kuma, and Walker all look good, and Karns has been solid. Miley will get it together.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE yeah, apart from Zelda U there is nothing else much else...Still I've Star Fox Zero which I'm loving at the moment and I have quite a big back catalogue to get through!
@readyletsgo it would be neat lol I mean we can hope and all. Coming up with random ideas and theorising is one of the fun parts of these discussions
Wonder if we'll see anything regarding licensing deals. I imagine it's still too soon for anything regarding the Universal deal though.
@IceClimbers Maybe not Universal, but it is possible that they announce new licensing deals with other companies.
It's a big year for Nintendo, everyone wants to know about Nxt but they still have to be a little careful, if they're still working on Wii-U and 3DS titles. They will talk about Paper Mario titles at E3 mark my words and say it will come out in the Autumn and Nxt could appear either at Christmas or get a Spring launch next year, I'm looking forward to E3........
@Bolt_Strike Yeah, not sure any details would be revealed about said licensing deals though. It'd probably be as general as "oh by the way, we're making a movie with Sony Pictures/Disney/etc" or something like that.
@Kris_Gunn ha! Sorry, neat is my favourite naff word atm.
Rumors are stale. Any official words on future plans from Nintendo will be a breath of fresh air.
It will be fun to see how many rumors are quashed, though.
This is the first generation, since I was like 16, back in the early nineties that i'm following video game industry news like it's the best season of Melrose Place and it feels really dirty, but really good.
These reports are aimed at shareholders and potential investors, not gamers.
Potential investors need a roadmap, the company's plans going forward.
From that point of view dates are the only thing likely about NX, but that is unlikely.
Look the Wii U is dead, not in a literal sense as it is getting some new releases but as far as their main concern the likelihood of them getting another huge release (I don't consider Sticker Star 2.0 a huge release) that we don't know about is slim to none. The NX is pretty much guaranteed to come out this year as Nintendo cannot let their fanbase have basically 3 to 4 games to choose from per year like in 2015 and most of 2016 for the Wii U or just survive on ports on the 3ds. They gotta have something big. Should they launch a major product rebrand and have TONS of new Wii U stuff I could see the NX releasing in 2017 but as it stands now Nintendo has no chance of avoiding the Wii U situation all over again unless they release the NX this year.
@Cyberbotv2 Well today's news certainly isn't going to help haha.
@Vineleaf Uh, jokes? I said that one because they were asked about the Mariners last year. Chill.
@TheRealThanos "picture swapping"
I'm back from vacation. I think I missed a few things. I'm thinking about making this my new avatar though. Unless Nintend prefers to just use it as their 2016 slogan.
@rjejr I'll hold on to Prince for a little longer, and come monday, when a new moon rises for yours truly, I will either revert to my former self or take up a new picture of old me, more or less like an update. Or I might do a Prince and change my name as well.
I'm still not sure whether I should go with TMTFKAT (The Mad Titan Formerly Known As TheRealThanos) or ThanosReXXX...
I could do the first one for a while to extent my period of honoring Prince, or go straight for the second one. Maybe the added year will give me some extra wisdom to decide next week...
@TheRealThanos Boom, done. Get it, cause he's on a throne, king, prince, same thing.
@rjejr Nice one, but I'll go for a mugshot instead. Have found a couple already. Monday's the day...
@TheRealThanos
@rjejr Man, I gotta start watching my words with you. The mind is slipping after a long and intensive week of customer hunting...
P.S.
Rumors are now spreading from inside AMD that they are the reason for the delay of the NX. Expect something to pop up on the front page any time now...
@rjejr The rumor already ended up on NeoGAF:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1212187&page=84#post202184927
Here we go again...
@TheRealThanos AMD
Well it seemed like the logical answer. PS3 was delayed a year due to blu ray drive problems. So it only makes sense Nitneod was having difficulty getting the hardware out the door.
And then that madman Kimishimi tries to tell us he wanted to launch a new console in March b/c March was a good time to launch a game console. And then I lost it. And I don't think I'm getting it back.
@rjejr The entire story is actually both interesting and far from impossible:
The unofficial story now comes from New York where AMD has their brand new 14nm console chip production lines. Various sources report from Fishkill, NY that AMD has caused the postponement of the NX. At present there are two remarkable rumors.
The first one is pretty harmless. Supposedly, Microsoft has beaten Nintendo by applying first for the production of a chipset for the new model Xbox One. Because of this, the NX chips could only be delivered well after the production of the new Xbox chips had finished.
So, since Nintendo couldn't produce enough NX units for a launch in November because of this, and the final hardware for the dev kits was also affected by this, they have chosen to do the NX release in March 2017.
The second rumor is more remarkable. Following up on the other theory it has to do with the new Xbox again, but according to some employees at AMD it is due to something other than shifting manufacturing schedules. The production of the NX-chips had recently started, but the wrong chips have supposedly been produced by an error made by AMD themselves. In the production line of the chips AMD has inadvertently partially used the design of the new Xbox chips instead of the NX's, thereby production of the NX chips has largely gone awry. This "mishap" will supposedly cost AMD hundreds of millions, because they have to cough up the cost of this production error and have to restart (or have already restarted) the process of making NX specific chips again, only this time free of charge...
As for Kimishima: if this rumor is indeed true, then of course Kimishima wasn't going to say that to the press. Imagine what that would do to shares...
@TheRealThanos I can see him not wanting to throw AMD under the bus, but you know what, if it's AMD's fault b/c they screwed up, then why not throw them under the bus? He doens't have to go into details, he can generalize - "Yes, the holiday time frame would have been preferred, but due to production issues we wanted to make sure we had enough merchandise on store shelves to have a global launch. We didn't want to launch in different regions at different times, so with the limited supply at hand we decided it was better for a global roll-out in March 2017 than a staggered rollout in 2016-2017." But don't say "holiday doesn't matter".
Do we blame AMD for no NX at E3 also? And for Zelda being due in 2015 but releasing in 2017? The problem isn't the AMD screw-up, it's Ntinedo's 5 years worth of screw-ups. Yeah, maybe AMD put 1 more little whole in the dam, but the dam was already swiss cheese already.
@rjejr I didn't want to add my own thoughts right away, since it was already quite a long comment by itself, but like I said: it isn't all that unlikely, and it does connect some of the dots of all the things we have seen happen so far.
To name but one example: just try and figure out why the heck Nintendo has rented one of the biggest floor spaces they have ever rented at E3 if they supposedly only wanted to show one game? What are they going to do? Rebuild an entire part of Hyrule to let people walk around in?
Sadly enough, it's probably the only thing they can do now to spice things up a bit, but what if that enormous space was meant for all the NX consoles and games they originally wanted to show?
Makes you wonder, doesn't it... ?
@rjejr as for how the news of the "delay" (remember: it was never officially confirmed that the NX was due in 2016, only rumored) was brought out: you're probably familiar with the term 'spin doctor' and you will be smart enough to know that companies will most likely never voluntarily say something about any part of a process that has gone wrong unless they absolutely HAVE to.
I expect this rumor to spread like wildfire and in response to that I expect a healthy bit of denial both from AMD and Nintendo. And if this is somehow actually true and things really went down like I just described, then it will only be shared in some official manner well after the launch of the NX, because then it won't do them no harm anymore and we can all have a right old laugh about it... (or not)
@TheRealThanos "Makes you wonder, doesn't it... ?"
Makes me wonder if I've gotten you hooked on Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory" tv show w/ all your talk of show floor space.
Your theory makes sense, but then why not just show NX at E3? Surely they have a few dozen functioning NX to put on display even if AMD screwed up the mass production? Releasing in March may be defensible, but saying you aren't going to show it at E3, arguably 1 of the 2 or 3 biggest game shows in the world? I don't have a conspiracy theory for that.
Comment #2 -
For the record, I've never thought of the March 2017 NX launch as a delay (though don't get me started on Zelda U in 2017) and I do think that is one of the things Ntinedo Life has gotten wrong. Even when Reggie said "we'll talk about NX more next year" they never said it would launch in 2016, not once. So I've never called it a "delay" and I think anyone who does so is wrong. It's probably a really bad idea to launch in March, but that doens't make it a delay. And I think them saying it's a god idea in March is stupid, and they could manage w/ the "global release stock issues" w/o throwing AMD or anyone else under the bus. They could throw Sony under the bus, say "We didnt like when Sony launched in the US andEU first and made Japan wait until Fb for the PS4, so we wanted to wait until we had enough stock for everyone." Better than - "March is good" b/c it isn't. I know that sounds like the same thing, but it isn't, one is focusing on March, one is focusing on a global release being good, and for that you need stock.
And nobody is buying that "lots of games at launch in March" BS either, b/c Pikmin 3 was a Wii U launch game, and that released in August.
And another thing NOBODY has mentioned yet - and I've read probably 1,000 comments on here this week. Sorry but this is about to get loooong... @aaronsullivan may have alluded to it
Nintneod isn't the only game developer - EA, Activision, Capcom, Konami, Squenix, Ubisoft - all of these companies make games - and a lot of these companies make games that release right before the holiday. Sure most of them don't appear on Wii U, but some do - Lego games, Skyalnders, Just Dance, a few others - by not having NX out for the holiday, and by having Wii U so dead in the water - they may miss an entire generation of games this holiday. If nothing else it guarantees no COD or Madden this holiday. Not just rumours, guarantees. And probably some big indie games too. Oh sure, NX could get them at launch, 6 months after PS4 and X1 get them, but what good is that?
So they can say holiday isn't important, but it is for 3rd party support, it's THE most important. 1,000 comments and nobody even mentioned it.
@rjer Please, no more Jesse Ventura... I'm nowhere near his delusional ideas...
Contrary to conspiracy theories, it is factual that they have rented a really huge show floor, so I'm truly curious if that was really intended for Zelda only, but it just doesn't feel right to me. Then again, they might want to go all out with their one game only premise and market the hell out of it and a gigantic show floor in Zelda style might just be the ticket...
And why not just show NX? Beats me, they are Nintendo after all, and maybe (like their seal of quality) they would want to have everything in order before ever lifting the lid, so if they wouldn't have enough stock, then it would factually make no sense to introduce it, because the waiting period would still be the same: march 2017, because they wouldn't be able to manufacture enough consoles to supply stores with and ultimately, consumers.
If this rumor is true, or even only partially true then I honestly have no idea how much went wrong and how much time it takes to rectify that mistake and besides that it's only the chipsets, so then you still have to manufacture the consoles' outer shell and other parts of the motherboard and internals.
It would be wise for them to have an entire warehouse full of NX's well before they launch the thing, so as to prevent another shortage of supply in stores as they have experienced before in the initial stages; that is killing for a console's release.
As for March: the release date really isn't that important anymore, since worldwide there's a lot of holidays that don't happen at the same time, except for Christmas time. Maybe you're only thinking from a Stateside perspective, but worldwide it really doesn't matter. I also don't believe the BS that people are going to have more money to spend then. Holidays by default are already expensive periods, so adding a console to that would only make it more expensive.
Taking myself as an example, I've NEVER bought a console at launch or in a holiday season, so I'm taking a wild guess here that there are millions of people worldwide doing exactly the same...
Fun fact: did you know that the PS2 initially also launched in March? (and October in the States, but still)
And like I said before: in a public statement, they are indeed going to give some spin to it, and not tell you the actual reason because that is simply how companies operate; there's a behind the scenes part that we will never know of, even if some rumor attempts to lift the curtains a bit.
It'll probably be stomped out in the coming weeks or just plain ignored, another tactic that Nintendo often uses.
I'm not quite sure where you were going with Pikmin 3, but maybe that's just me.
By the way: getting games six months after is a problem, but not as big a problem as you make it out to be. Just look at Minecraft Wii U. Sold just fine and it was released WAY after all the other platforms it's on. And there are more examples, but they could also pull the "definitive version/director's cut" card, like they have done with some games on Wii U. (Batman, Deus EX, Mass Effect, NFS Most Wanted)
@Captain_Gonru some good points and an interesting theory, but as far as the floor space is concerned, I already made a similar comment before when theorizing what the heck they would have to do with all that extra space in comment #93...
@Captain_Gonru Some 3rd parties like EA weren't coming to Wii U, but some were - all the Lego games, Skylanders, Disney Infinity. This delay guarantees NO 3rd party games will be on NX this holiday b/c the NX won't be out. And since the major developers probably assumed - incorrectly - like the rest of us that NX was launching in time for the holidays, they may have dropped Wii U support in favor of NX. Wii U has never faired well w/ DLC for Lego games, or season passes for other games, but Wii U did get some 3rd party support. NX will get none this holiday. Games like Injustice:GAU and One Piece: World Red both came to Wii U. Dragonball XV didn't. I'm not sure what big 3rd party title NX may have had this holiday, I only know now it won't. And Wii U may not get it either.
@TheRealThanos It will just never make sense to me that they announce a new console launching next March but skipping E3. 3DS launched in March and was shown at E3. Remember that video w/ all the chained up booth babes? Unless you think Nintnedo is crazy enough that they blame the 3DS weak launch sales on having it revealed at E3? Nintendo is insane, so I wouldn't put it past them for being that out of it - "Oh no, we can't reveal NX at E3, looked what happened to the 3DS launch when we showed it there!!" Idiots.
Knowing how screwed up Nintnedo is, Zelda U will be the only playable game at E3 - now that nobody wants to play it b/c we will all be waiting for the superior NX version - Nintendo logic morons - but the entire show floor will be decorated like Paper Mario: Colour Splash.
@rjejr If you made a bed from the platform with the coins on it, that would be the ultimate kids room...
As for the whole crazy Nintendo thing: man, I don't know either. Guess we'll find out soon enough, and like I said in the other thread, I'm expecting an NX reveal pretty soon after the E3. And that could even be a smart thing: no one to steal their thunder with a souped up PS4 or Xbox One, and all eyes on them, so WAY more coverage than at E3. The importance of that show is (once again, like in the past) waning and probably overrated.
There are so many more shows to give people the what's what on your latest toys, so I'm not worried at all. Just a bit pissed that all we get to see in playable form is Zelda, at least from Nintendo themselves.
Although I'm pretty sure I'll be mumbling ooh's and aah's at the screen once I'm watching the presentation of that game and by then all my anger will simply fade away into the background...
@Captain_Gonru Skylanders was a horrible mistake on Wii last year, so no Wii game this year. Wii U was just not a smart idea incorporating racing. I think both Skylanders and DI will announce stuff at E3. DI may not get a new game, just new packs. Not sure abut Lego Dimensions as they said same starter pack for years. Lego Force Awakens comes out soon, June?, so almost certainly a new one for the holidays. Not sure what, though I keep waiting for TMNT. Maybe Lego Spriderman, I dont think they've ever done straight up Spidey. Guardians of the Galaxy will likely get one when Vol 2 releases, NX should be viable by then.
You could be right though, could be a good year to skip the holiday if no new big 3rd party game series starts. And Madden releases in the summer so maybe March helps? But I still feel like NX could have used a game like SW:B last holiday, regardless of the bad reviews and no single player, ti's still Star Wars. And Destiny might have been nice. Maybe next spring there will be some more games like Overwatch and Battleborn and PvZ:GW to come NX way.
And then maybe Nintneod is just planning on no NX 3rd party support, if that's the case it doesn't matter when it launches, they can do 13.5 mil in 4 years again w/o those games.
@Captain_Gonru Sorry, I mistyped. I didn't mean TMNT in Lego D, I meant a normal stand alone Lego game. You know, those games they pump out 2 - 3 every single year? Lego Avengers was out in Jan - delayed like every other game on the planet from last Nov - and SW:FA is due out in June.
Oh look, the "deluxe ed" isn't on Wii U. I'm shocked. Shocked I say.
http://smile.amazon.com/LEGO-Star-Wars-Awakens-Deluxe-PlayStation/dp/B01BCMBK1W/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1462285088&sr=1-1&keywords=lego+star+wars+force+awakens
At the moment there isn't one for the holidays, but you know there will be. Or early 2017. Probably announced at E3, or days before. Teen Titan's Go might be nice, the stupidest show on TV but the absurdity has growing on me since it's heavy metal tribute episode. Here's a brief sample.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmgOMK9LLp0
Of course I suppose they could stop the regular Lego games and go all in on the Dimension game, but I just don't see it. And I'm never getting a Lego Dragonball game, my life just isn't that good.
As for NX in March, I feel 100% even the idiots at Nntneod HQ aren't that stupid and it's all AMDs fault. They wanted (Edit) holiday but coudln't make it happen. My only real issue is Kimishima saying "March is good", b/c it isn't, rather than saying - "We've decided to do a global rollout rather than region by region, and the only way we could accomplish this from a stock perspective was to launch in March 2017." That also throws Sony under the bus for releasing PS4 in Japan in Feb. I don't think PS4 sold very well after the intial early adopters, Japanese were miffed.
2014
February: 322,083 units (launch)
March: 169,806 units (post-launch drop)
April: 50,252 units (sales continuing to drop)
May: 34,646 units (sales bottomed out in this neighborhood)
June: 36,998 units
July: 24,884 units
August: 27,749 units
September: 44,129 units
October: 31,387 units
November: 54,777 units
December: 128,859 units
Se PS4 sales drop like a stone in the spring and summer. See them go up in Nov and Dec, when people actually buy home consoles. This was only Japan, but Nintndo launching NX worldwide in March is sure to endure a similar sales pattern.
The pattern is similar in 2015, but the monthly numbers are at least double.
2015
January: 77,092 units
February: 69,974 units
March: 204,347 units
April: 77,599 units
May: 65,380 units
June: 44,979 units
July: 65,724 units
August: 74,562 units
September: 90,425 units
October: 118,881 units
November: 131,581 units
December: 184,619 units
@Captain_Gonru CBS/CW multiverse
Those guys were DLC for the last Lego game. Wii U probably didn't get them so you didn't know.
Any Lego game w/ Captain Skippy Hunter from Legends I'm skipping. That may be the first show since Smallville that I stop watching, it's just too horrific.
There have already been 3 Lego Batman games, time to move on. Oh, who am I kidding, Justice League movies will get one.
@Captain_Gonru Supergirl doesn't count, we didn't even watch the Barry Allen crossover and I'm pretty sure my wife has a crush on him. I actually thought you were talking about Gotham as the 4th.
The 2 "Justice League" movies, last I checked, were due out in Nov 2017 and June 2018. I'm sure June 2018 will turn to Nov, just like it did for the Hobbit and Star Wars. So no Lego: Justice League until at least 2018. But there will be 1 I'm sure. And the BvS flick will probably being it as well, and Aquaman and Wonder Woman. Could be a really full game experience. But I do think they wait for all of that, so they need smething else in the meantime.
CA:CW is in something now, Lego Avengers I guess, I keep getting confused w/ Disney Infinity. I don't think Dr. Strange will get his own videogame, he isn't that big. They should make a Lego Kiss Scooby Doo game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buZE-Qenof0
@Captain_Gonru Oh look, I'm apparently more out of touch than I thought I was. My favorite TT Go episode is a note for note rip-off of the Kiss movie. OK, just the last 8 seconds.
Kiss movie highlight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_plih5b9To
TTG: (I could watch this all day)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCY-Npnh0FY
And for the Silverhawks shout out: 1986 baby!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyukifAmPNo
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