Tatsumi Kimishima Reiterates That Nintendo NX Is A New Way Of Playing Games

"The NX is neither the successor to the Wii U nor to the 3DS" That's what they said about the DS, and look where that ended up... I hope I get proven wrong, but my guess is the NX will replace either the Wii U or the 3DS in at least some capacity. I guess we'll see at next E3 though-wait no never mind. 😄

All i'll say is that if the NX doesn't "purely" replace the Wii U, why is the Wii U all but dead now? He's not fooling anyone here.

Calling it now, catch the ball in a cup controller.

"It's not a replacement but we're still gonna stop making games for it."

Say it five more times and I'll be convinced I can play NX games with my mind.

I've been saying all along that NX may not be a traditional console. I don't think we're going to get a console with a standard controller or design.

God knows what Nintendo have made but I think they might go casual again. The Wii was a massive success for them.

This is obviously a con to try to squeeze more sales out of the Wii U, they have put 0 effort into keeping the Wii u alive even this year and the NX isn't even out until next year. I think most people can see through the crap this is.

@MrGawain you will also be able to buy a hook-a-duck version as well.

@Peterjr1 The Wii U died a long time ago so they couldn't keep it going if they tried.

So that makes it sound like another console with a gimmick.

@teamshortcut the DS was incredible. If the NX pulls that off, i'll be impressed and buy, like, a lot of them.

No joke, that's the best-case scenario going forward, and most likely what Kimishima's shooting for.

Sounds exciting but also a little scary

Obviously a lie. They also said this about the DS and even the Wii U, but with the lack of effort put into the Wii U this year it's clear this isn't true.

Well 3ds is a very old system now ... And usually they replace the handheld every 5 years and they didn't do that with 3DS ... Wii U is almost 4 years old which consider old and it's already has a lower spec and lack of games ... Which means they need to fix this ... So what are we getting ? And what about the new handheld !? ... I believe it might be a hybrid system if that what he means by new concept because we never hand any hybrid thing before ... Let's see

@peeks No swearing, m'kay?

@peeks if it is then it will sort of be a Wii U where the controller is a portable. Surely the portable part wouldn't be as powerful as the home console so we'd get mini games or downgraded versions to play on the move.

So what gimmick is it?

I hope isn't another gimmicky console....

Is it too much asking for a standard console with raw power and a gamepad able to play Nintendo and non Nintendo games in a satisfying way???

@Thegentleman full body motion control. You wear a suit full of sensors which give you electric shocks if you get hit. They vary in strength.

@arnoldlayne83 I hope so too but it doesn't sound like it.

Those words scare me a bit. I'm looking for replacements at this point. If it turns out to be only a slightly better system then the Wii U....kind of like the "New" 3DS to the normal 3DS, I'm going to be very very disappointed.

It's a good thing we don't know anything yet!

@Monkeyofthefunk @arnoldlayne83

Same here! That's all we really want. Is it too much to ask for?

Then where are the Wii U games?!

@dkxcalibur It is but what worries me is the fact that a few gamers will hold off buying it or stupidly invest in PS4 Neo, Xbox 1.25 & VR, so they won't have the money to buy a NX.

@RupeeClock agreed. The Wii U was an unknown and it hurt sales.

I don't see how holding info until a few months before launch can benefit the NX.

PS & Xbox built the hype well in advance.

@teamshortcut As long as it isn't backwards-compatible with the Wii U, I think the Wii U won't be completely replaceable.

Calm down, people. Nintendo will announce everything when they're ready. There's no need in getting fed up or angry with rumors or not knowing the info. It's not worth it.

One thing to think about is, how will we be playing the new LoZ in "a new way"?

Riding an Epona controller? Smashing vases with a master sword?

@TheRedCap30 nice avatar.

Just give me a controller please.

I hope the NX is backwards compatible with Wii U games!

I still think the N3DS is an extension of the 3DS line. Perhaps it was made to work with the NX somehow? Despite these statements I still think of the NX as a replacement for the Wii U. Surely if the upcoming Zelda game will be both for Wii U and NX, the NX must function to some extent as a console. I could be wrong of course, but this is my guess.

@thehoppypoppy maybe the new 3ds is a stop gap. I love mine but there aren't many games that take advantage of the upgrades. Well at the moment anyway.

Directly it may not be but indirectly it is, the way Nintendo is ignoring the Wii U plus the 3DS won't last too much longer.

@argh4430 he's technically right; the wiiu will still probably get annual dance games and indie games on the eshop. But...yeah, all of nintendo's resources will go into developing new non-games??

My take is that the NX will be a mobile device, a handheld that either plugs into the TV or has a built in wireless HDMI sender.

I'm not sure if the tech is out there though.

@Monkeyofthefunk perhaps more N3DS exclusive titles are in the works, possibly even NX compatible. I hope so anyway. I don't have an N3DS, but it would seem like such a waste not to produce more games the take advantage of it's features.

I like new ways to play as much as I like old ways to play. There is nothing like a good platformer or adventure game with traditional controls, but I also like to experience new ways to play games.

I'm not scared, happy or terrified. I'm just excited and interested in this machine.

Maybe the NX plugs in and powers up the Wii U to make it a more powerful console?

@thehoppypoppy I upgraded just because of the 3d system.

Am i the only one who gets a sort of "Oh God, not another gimmick!"-vibe when i read the "New way to play games" bit?

The WiiU went belly-up because... well, maybe not because of the controller, but the silly thing sure didn't help much, and the 3DS succeeded despite the 3D-effect rather than because of it, when will they just face facts: the Wii was a perfect storm of a gimmick that caught on right before mobile gaming went and took all the casual gamer market.

@argh4430 semantics, how we love to read into things. I believe it will replace the Wii U, but in it's form (whatever hybrid floating dream machine Nintendo is cooking up), it's clearly not meant to be a replacement, Nintendo just doesn't have any steam left to put into the Wii U, so naturally it will replace it in sales.

@GH05T considering the limited installed base of the Wii U, that would all but guarantee an NX flop.

Well, new consoles are "never" supposed to replace their predecessors, and yet that's what they always do.

The [NX] is a very mysterious and powerful device and it's mystery is exceeded only by it's power.

@Monkeyofthefunk I hardly (if ever) use the 3D on my regular 3DS. My eyesight is fairly weak as it is. If they ever made an N2DS (that could run the bigger games like hyrule warrior legends more efficiently) I would consider purchasing it. They probably won't make it, but a girl can dream.

By the way people, I know a "New way of playing games" coming from Nintendo usually means inputs (controllers/gestures etc..) but has anyone thought outside of that frame of reference, and thought that the new way of playing was about either outputs (what this thing does and doesnt plug into) or a modular system, the way we connect to it, or how it's connected.
I think there are multiple ways of looking at "NEW" without assuming 100% that inputs are the game changer. But maybe it's as simple as that. hmmmm

@abbyhitter you are asking gamers to be patient and reasonable, it doesn't work. I'm actually impressed no one is screaming and arguing that we still have no evidence that the NX will be "capable of making you the perfect cappuccino while you're waiting for games to load"

I've been thinking for awhile now that there's no way this will be a machine like Sony's or Microsoft's - if they wanted to do that they wouldn't have made the Wii and trying to win over people who already have those machines seems pretty hopeless anyway. No, this will have to be something different.

@Pink_Floyd Read my mind. I have a bad feeling about this...

Here's my interpretation when he says it isn't a pure replacement. Think about the Wii U and what it was intended to do. Everything you had for the Wii and everything it could do (minus playing GameCube games and some other small features) could be done on the Wii U. The thing was designed as a total replacement for the Wii.

Now the NX could be a game changer, or it could be a flop. I'm keeping an open mind about it for now. If it is a "new way of playing games" then I'm excited for it. We were all taken by surprise (for better or worse) when the Wii released in 2006. Sure the motion controls were odd at first, but they were fun... when they worked. I'm hoping for a big surprises that catches everyone off guard when the NX is revealed later this year. I would be surprised if the concept of the NX brought integration of all your devices together. Home console, portable gaming (3ds, etc), mobile gaming, and the likes of that all together somehow.

But to get back on topic. I think the best thing to do is sit back and wait. The announcement could come in mid September at the Tokyo Game Show, or in a direct. As for now, I'm happy to just wait and see.

The only thing we can do is play the waiting game...

...or play Hungry Hungry Hippos.

I'm now concerned of how backwards compatibility will work here.......if the NX is an all new thing like the Gamecube which didn't have backwards for N64, how can we get to play 3DS games and Wii U games besides buying the main consoles?

I just want to know what it is. I'm sick of rumors, delays, lack of Wii U support, and that Nintendo isn't saying anything about NX during E3. Plus then there is the delay of Zelda AGAIN, and this time it feels like they screwed Wii U owners and have delayed it just to launch it with the NX (it feels like Rayman Legends all over again).

I'm getting really sick and tired of everything to do with Nintendo at the moment. I'm not anti-Nintendo, nor am I abadoning ship. I'm just angry and frustrated with them.

@NewAdvent He said 'larger impact THAN the Wii U', not 'on the Wii U'.

A new way of playing games... hmmm.

Imagine, for a moment, that he's telling the truth, there's certain assumptions we can surely still make about it:

It plays 'video games' (we know this cos NoE announced the new Zelda for NX), so must involve a display screen/s, and some sort of input device/s...

...That's it, that's all I've got...

@peeks when the new 3ds was announced many saw it as a stalling tactic, so Nintendo could release a new handheld and console at the same time with the two systems being vary similar.

love how we still no jack, we not even comfortable to say its a hook it to a tv console lol

@DiscoGentleman Ninty PR speak, folks. They've got some catching up to do in that area.

It's a Wii U Slim with a New 3Ds slot, with Kinnect built in.

I might have an easier time believing you if you actually told us what the freaking thing is.

@Damo In the interests of excellence - the Iwata comments article you linked does not say that the NX would suprise people and change gaming lives - he just said that that's what they're always thinking about.

I'm always thinking about how much I would like to let you have a bite of my sandwich... while I eat the whole sandwich myself

@Monkeyofthefunk

Maybe. I can't blame them though. Not every gamer has a huge budget so they often must be very careful and picky about what system they decide to buy. I know I was patiently waiting for the next Nintendo system to arrive so I have held out on buying either the PS4 or Xbone.....but my patience is wearing thin. If I falter and buy either of those two systems, I will most likely skip the NX. This is why I don't understand Nintendo withholding information in regarding the NX until after E3. In my opinion, they should be dropping the NX bomb on this E3. Even if it's not coming out till March, at least people can save money or plan accordingly. The NX missing the Holiday season will have more of an impact then Nintendo thinks. If kids get a PS4 VR unit for Christmas, they're most likely not going to get or want the NX three months later.

@NewAdvent Do you think you can just apologise and make it all better? Just make it go away? Well you CAN'T. It WON'T. Now excuse me while I go off to furiously scrawl the letters NX inside a ?, inside the letters NX, inside a ?, inside the letters NX, inside a ?....

I've got it...its a novelty fridge magnet.

The fact that they're unwilling to reveal this thing in tandem with the PS4K and updated Xbox, plus the fact that they're emphasizing a potential gimmick once again, makes me think it's going to be weaker than the current gen consoles. If it was truly a game changer they'd reveal it at E3 and blow the other two out of the water.

I have to be honest, I've never been this close to just giving up on Nintendo. If nothing changes in the next few months I'll just buy a PS4 once the 4K hits and lowers its price considerably.

"Tatsumi Kimishima RETIRES" is what I read.

REVEALED: NX will be a device you plug into your mobile phone, allowing you to scan amiibo, which results in replacing the characters in any game you play with the character the amiibo represents. Sadly the existence of NFC in most phones by now will mean it will only manage Virtual Boy sales numbers.... but amiibo sales will see a boost... until stock issues.

It definitely sounds like the DS and Wii, which weren't exactly successors to the previous systems either. They changed the gaming landscape (especially the DS, which brought about app-like and touch screen gaming before the iphone), and targeted new audiences along with the old. I know a lot of people hold that against the Wii and DS, but I loved both systems.

Well on the bright side he actually said something about NX other than - "We're not talking about NX at this time."

If they arne't going to talk about it at E3, fine, be that way, take your ball and go home, but at least announce when you will talk about it already. If they are planning a big event where they have had Space Worlds in the past surely they would have rented a space by now, no? You can't announce new hardware with just a Nintneod Direct. They'll need a Space World, and they'll need to rent space, and they've probably done so by now. We just need to all chip in and hire a detective agency to find out where and when. They can start at the Makuhari Messe convention center in Chiba, Japan.

Scary thing, they've done a lot of Space Worlds in November. They said NX in March, so they may wait until November to release it. And I don't think my heart can take it.

@thehoppypoppy and they announced some time ago that a Dragon Quest or Dragon Warrior game was being made for it. So we know between that and the new Zelda that it can't be too far removed from what we expect from a gaming console. I think there will be a new unique control method and or hybrid portable capabilities and possibly no disc drive. I think it is no coincidence that the new Nintendo rewards program only offers coins for digital game purchases.
Nintendo may decide to be the first to go all digital.

@rjejr November reveal would mean 6 more months of a news story every other day to remind us we know nothing about it. Gagging

Incidentally - My friend WHO REALLY DOES WORK AT NINTENDO HQ in Kyoto as a programmer - says that they normally discover new things form media announcements and not internal facts rumours! That's how secretive and tightly controlled it is in there!

I'm not sure why anybody thinks Nintendo would come out with a PS4/X1 clone to rival the other 2.

To me, the history of home videogame consoles has always been a 2 way race. And when there is a 3rd, it crashes and burns.

Nintendo and Sega
Nintendo and Sony killed Sega
Sony and MS kill Nintendo (home console, not handheld)

Wii sold as a Wii Sports and Wii Fit gamercise machine, not as a 3rd competitor to PS3/Xbox360.

And look at 3rd party support. Do we really think it's coming back? Nintneod can make a clone and hope for the best, hope for 3rd party support, hope people switch, or they can make their own console with their own games and give people a reason to switch. It should still be a powerful console, more powerful than Wii U, but they need to be their own thing and gt their own fans, trying to go head-to-head with the other 2 is never going to work. IF MS decides to get out, then Ninteod can go for #2 again. I just don't think there's room for 3 similar consoles playing the same games. A Wii and DS combo machine is what they need.

I just hope its a newer slightly more powerful system. I dont care what gimmicks it has

Inventing weel every few years isnt that good idea, also if its more complicated than pushing a button...dont do it.

"what we do know is that Nintendo president Tatsumi Kimishima has opened his mouth and some words have come out" LOL. This cracked me up.

Man...I am just utterly confused at the mixed messages of the NX. If it is in fact, a new devoted gaming console, then no matter what they think or say...it WILL straight up replace the Wii U because thats what consumers will do. How could they say it's not the Wii U successor as if we are still in the Wii U era and should keep putting money into the U if they have completely pulled the plug on it? And if it's something else, how could it be anything but just a perepheral?
I just don't get it. Just reveal something Nintendo...please...

@gcunit @Yorumi I suppose we shouldn't put anything by them. Reading my own post just above gives me insight into why they would skip E3, leaving that to the other 2, and they may feel only their fans care anymore, so a ND could fit the bill to start, then let word of mouth and social media take care of the rest. Maybe they'll go after the Wii fans and pretend Wii U never happened? Or DS fans. More cooking and gardening games on a home console.

I just don't understand why any company would want to annoy their base so much. Sure, Sonys' not talking about PS4K Neo either, but they are talking about Uncharted 4 and FFSV and PSVR. They have a ton going on, they don't need to talk about PS4k Neo, PS4 is selling fine. But Wii U is dead. They are just leaving us hanging. Forever and ever. That's no way to treat your loyal paying customers.

Give us something to spend our money on, or reason to wait, or we'll spend it someplace else. Alienation is not a viable marketing strategy.

A new way of playing games? I'm not sure if something has been lost in translation.

We still need a TV screen and a controller.

Does he mean we should play the NX alongside the Wii U as it offers a completely unique experience? I'm sure it's still going to be (whether officially declared or not) the next Nintendo console, therefore being a successor to the Wii U.

@rjejr There are some rumours (!) from VR World (online publication) that NX could be unveiled at the Tokyo Game Show in September. Reported in a couple of places, but I can't find the orginal source. Might not be a bad shout, I suppose, considering the timeline.

BUT, VR World also says Nintendo might be working with AMD for custom chips, while the Nvidia partnership was mooted last week.

Honestly, I have no idea...

Sigh Nintendo...just........sigh.

lost in translation..

dual screens
DS
3DS
2DS

Wii U added a second "screen" via streaming

New 3DS controller layout EXACTLY the same as Wii U which is a good layout..

see where this is going??? nothing to worry about.. it will all be in the software anyways

@peeks
Their home consoles are replaced every 5-6 years, but their handhelds don't have a set schedule. The original Game Boy lasted about 10 years I think while the DS lasted about 7 years.

@arnoldlayne83 yes.. This is what I'm worried about, another gimmick. I don't need a new way to play...

Nothing wrong with the old way.

@Project_Dolphin

Yes. I'm very interested to see what the PS4 neo has to offer. No VR for me though.

I want racing, Doom, and a few other titles, and they are just not available on my beloved Nintendo console.

@rjejr I honestly think PS4 Neo will be announced at E3 in conjunction with VR. I just can't see Sony not talking about VR at E3.

this again

they said the same about the DS

@Taikasieni yes yes yes! Innovation does not always equal fun.

If fact the most efficient way to do something is always a button.

This is why I think full body motion VR is going to not take off like they think...

Who wants to run around in a first person shooter like physicaly RUN...

Not me.

Its obviously the successor to both, not either or =P

@Monkeyofthefunk it does exist, wireless HDMI has existed for quite some time. But it is not 1:1, as it compresses the signal.

@rjejr It's not even a two way race at this point. It's just Sony. Microsoft, like Nintendo, is just.... there.

I think there's evidence that Microsoft's priorities have changed.

They also are facing a problem with IPs. They made the mistake of not investing in new IPs late last generation and instead rested on their laurels with Halo/Forza/Gears/Fable.

Now Halo and Forza are in massive decline. Fable is dead. They've been unsuccessful with new IPs this generation. That leaves Gears.

That being said, they did have some success with smaller digital only stuff like Ori and FTP stuff like Killer Instinct.

@BensonUii Is there any confirmation about the NX having a portable addition to it, or being released in two waves?

Thought the major consensus was that it was home console.

And that scares me...

I don't mind if whatever the NX is eventually ends up replacing both the 3DS and Wii U.

Smart phones have added exactly zero new standards for input and output since the first iPhone, and it shows in the software, which (aside from things like Progress and a few others) is getting complacent with single touch input and increasingly convoluted monetization schemes.

The invention of new interactivity and disruption of audience and competitor expectation is what's important with Nintendo's new device(s), and it's great that they keep aiming for this.

@dkxcalibur: Yeah! Die-hard Nintendo fans will say: there you have! Use a PS4 or XB1, if you want proper gamepad

@rjejr Yea your first post hit the nail on the head, it doesn't make sense for Nintendo to offer the same regurgitated experience just with Nintendo exclusive IPs. When you look it from that perspective some of Nintendo's moves, i.e. no E3 showing makes some sense.

Nintendo is constantly trying to be different and offer newer experiences for gamers, this time around they've learned what going too far can get them. Offering the same exact thing as everyone else will always be a non starter for them, as well as not offering enough which is what happened with the Wii U

Waiting for the right time to reveal is never a bad thing imo. It's the element of surprise. I'm not the type of person to dig for truth because truth always reveals itself.

The NX system could be a console that Nintendo can really benefit from, and a lot of "gamers" could enjoy and appreciate it.

Among all rumors and speculations I enjoy waiting for the truth.

Well everyone's going to be pissed off and thinking they're the opinion expert on this all for the next 8 months. What a bore. I'm looking forward to seeing more what happens now, I'm mostly interested to see now how they plan on juggling 3 systems if that's what it'll even end up being specifically and how games will be released.

What he means is that it will be a device that can be plugged into a Xbox One, PS4, Wii U , or PC and it will play NX games.

@BensonUii Ah ok I thought I missed something, there is so much out there these days about it.

Well sales can be fickle so only time will tell on that. Most Nintendo fans are probably "Let's wait and see what it is first". I've been pretty satisfied with my 3DS for sometime now so I think I've about adopted this attitude myself.

@YeshaYahu5417 There's no element of surprise though, Nintendo put WiiU on the one-way trip to "has been"-station, we know the NX is coming next year, and the whole "It's a secret to everybody"-thing surrounding it is getting utterly tiresome, they're like little kids doing the "I know something you don't know"-thing...

@Dankykong Oh there will be no juggling the Wii U is gonna get dropped like a hot rock. 3DS is the only system that will likely have another year left...two being very optimistic.

@MysticX Your right, but yet it somehow keeps us talking about it.

We have a release date...for something we know nothing about! How bonkers is that!?

@argh4430 The NX can be a successor to the Wii U without being a 'replacement' so to speak. I find it hard to believe that Kimishima is trying to convince people that Wii U has a lifespan beyond the launch of the NX. It's silly to take these comments as him saying that, because they're too vague.

When Kimishima is talking about 'replacement', it's clear he means it in the spiritual sense. The NX will not be a home console successor to the Wii U in the same way the Wii U was to Wii, and Wii to Gamecube.

@MysticX
The element of surprise is knowing the true facts about the next console. And it is obvious the way Nintendo is going about forwarding this information is entirely different than how Wii U was presented.

And besides, what I said was "my opinion". I was just sharing my opinion along with a lot others including yourself. If any one person's opinion differs from another it would be a complete waist of time to call someone out on it, even if its in a subtle way. No need to debate about it. So, just let it be what it is.

Enjoy

@BensonUii I hope they release both at the same time and games are stored on memory cards so I can just switch the game between the systems with save data and all.

@SouthpawGrammar I'm very excited. I don't like Xbox at all and PlayStation is too focused on vr. At least Nintendo focuses on games. I see myself Nintendo only the next round....or at least until persona 6 on ps5

@Danrenfroe2016 what I meant was does the tech exist in a small enough form factor to fit into a handheld?

I must admit, I'm a bit scared by this "new way to play" rhetoric.
I don't want another console that allows for some new gameplay styles while making it more inconvenient to play traditional games.

@thehoppypoppy poor you I can just about cope with the new version but sometimes it leaves me cross eyed.

A lot of whining, not many smart comments, as per usual. Despairing.

And for Dog's sake, stop using the word "gimmick" like it's an insult! If you're that afraid of new stuff, just move back to the 2600. You won't be bothered by silly gimmicks like shoulder buttons and analog controls.

@SouthpawGrammar I'm not excited because it's nothing but PR talk. People fall for this nonsense all the time.

Reading through the comments I can see many had the same initial reaction I had .... It's kind of hard to replace something thats been abandoned long ago.

@Danrenfroe2016 "Yes. I'm very interested to see what the PS4 neo has to offer."

Well, if you're expecting new and exclusive games (other than some VR experiences), then you are going to be sorely disappointed. Sony has already said that games developed from now on will have to be compatible with both models PS4, only there will be some sort of algorithm in the software that will detect what it's running on and that will then open up some neat extra's, and graphics on older titles will be upscaled and they will probably run smoother, but that is all. Think the difference between 3DS and New 3DS except on a home console level.

@Monkeyofthefunk ha! The irony! (I was thinking the same thing!)

I'm open minded. If the NX truly is something new and unique, then it could be brilliant. However, it could also end up being mediocre instead.

Whatever Nintendo throws out there always pleasantly surprises me, even when I have doubts. I'll wait patiently, expecting the same outcome as always!

New way to play huh? Does that mean another gimmick? Let me guess: VR! Virtual Boy U!

@Yorumi but I'm a console gamer. I'd rather have Zelda and pikmin. Only PC game I own is undertale and I play that with a controller. To each their own I suppose.

@Syrek24 my Wii u has more games than my ps4. Most are virtual console but I love playing them on the gamepad screen! Its like a giant gameboy.

Someone needs to ask him if Nintendo are doing anything in regards to getting the same level of 3rd party support as PS4/XB1 for NX (such as games like Destiny, the Division, Call of Duty, sports games, etc).

I get the feeling they don't have a clue about those games, or anything going on in western development. It's like they myopically only think about what's happening in Japan.

@Monkeyofthefunk the way tablets are evolving so rapidly I believe they can put some powerful chips into a handheld.

Let's face it, if NX is genuinely a new way to play, then it is something to be excited about - the waiting, the anticipation.

Whereas if it's just another console that follows convention there isn't a whole lot to be excited about.

@Uncensored Agreed. I don't want the new handheld to be Nvidia, but just look at what they can do (first clip and second clip from 6m43s) and how small these APU's are (second clip only):
TEGRA K1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRr-G95GdaM
TEGRA X1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEHXFnCRlAo

Both real-time rendered demos are running on an Android tablet, by the way...

"A larger impact than the WiiU but not a pure replacement", huh? That was sarcasm, right? A larger impact than the WiiU is really aiming high, lol

I dunno, but the vibe I'm getting from Nintendo so far is that the NX is another clueless blunder. That they don't clearly set it apart from the disaster that was the WiiU says it all really. The haven't learned a thing.

No third parties either or we would know by now. They're playing the hush card to cover for the lack of interest.

I hope it (nor I for that matter) have time to make a cappuccino while the games load.

At this point, I have no idea.

Long as it plays what we refer to as "video games" I'll be happy with it

@arnoldlayne83
Is it too much to add even one smidge of innovation without people like you complaining of "gimmicks"

Screen on the controller needs to stay. Smaller controller, definitely. Not a major focus- just auxiliary functions for screen- certainly.

Is that too much to ask without people decrying any advance in technology?

If the controller is a normal size, and the screen isn't a main focus, then you lose all your bullet points to complain.

I'm sick and tired of people fighting against progress. Just because you didn't like some innovations doesn't mean they're all bad. Doesn't mean Nintendo should just throw their hands in the air and make a vanilla console that never changes from gen to gen aside from horsepower.

I've already got 2 consoles that do that.

@JaxonH I hope that question is rhetorical, if not the answer is yes.

Edit: PREACH!!

Man, I'm so baffled (and worn down) by so many people apparently being able to extrapolate all kinds of doom and gloom from this or any other single sentence that in actuality tells us completely nothing:
"This is going to be Wii U 2.0"
"It will be some kind of gimmicky garbage"
"It is going to be only slightly stronger than Wii U"
"If this is what they offer, then I'm not going to buy this"
"Why can't Nintendo give me a normal controller?"
"They are going to f*** it up again... "
"They can never offer something good for anything that costs the same as a Wii U"

I do miss the logical, cool and collected generation that didn't jump to all kinds of foregone conclusions based on somebody burping or farting on the internet...

The subtle wording of not a 'pure' replacement of of the Wii U to me makes it sound like it's going to do exactly that - replace the Wii U. It'll feature at least one port of a Wii U game (Zelda) already, so there's that.

If you've been following Nintendo for a long time, you probably know that the thing you expect them to do is likely not the thing they will do. And for the most part, that is a good thing. The days of "my console is more powerful than yours" are long, long gone. Nintendo always seeks to push the industry in new directions. It has been in their DNA for a long, long time, and it's not going to change because of one console that didn't meet expectations.

No matter what the system "is," we can be sure it will play games made by Nintendo, which is pretty much all I need to know to be interested. After all, as Nintendo used to say in the days of the NES, "the name of the game is the game."

please no more gimmicks!!!

just give me a standard controller and console which is powerful!

@Yorumi Well, in all honesty, the Wii remote in combination with Wii Sports also made perfect sense and was highly intuitive, and the same goes for the Sports Resort follow up and the Wiimote+.

That obviously doesn't excuse the tons of shovelware that followed, but still: it is exactly in line with your comment, because it made sense, and even more so since even non gamers could very quickly get the hang of it.

It sounds to me like he's saying the NX is based around a gimmick again.

If you want to have a gimmick that's fine, but Nintendo seems to have forgotten that the most important thing for a gaming console is to have great games, and not force the gimmick into the games unnaturally and unnecessarily like Star Fox Zero did.

@Project_Dolphin You most probably were, my dear fellow, but I wouldn't know as I did my best to skip over the frightful borefest that ensued in that thread

Watch it be some accessory to the current WiiU and/or 3DS systems, much like the 32X that connected to the old Sega Genesis.

@argh4430

I was thinking the same thing. Of course it will replace the Wii U. Damn straight he's not fooling anyone.

I just want them to announce something that renders all the last year or so worth of rumours and gossip null and void. The amount of wasted terabytes of youtube footage of hearsay, just sitting up there littering the cloud. In a strange way I'm quite enjoying watching how impatient people are getting, I'm more than content to just chill and wait.

There's not been enough use of the g-word on this page either... only 24 counts. We're slacking people.

I can see why people would have concerns with the phrase "a new way to play games." I think the reason for this is that they want the NX to succeed and for Nintendo to play it safe and create something akin to the PS4.

Let me just say this to the Nintendo fans...When I look back at all the great games Nintendo has made and the experiences I've had with my family and friends, I'm confident that will continue with NX. Let's be rational for a second, for me, the worst thing that could happen would be the NX not being a monetary success and thus being Nintendos last home console. However, if that does happen, my guess is that Nintendo would still make games for other systems and you will get the PS/XBox/PC with Nintendo games like some have always wanted and that wouldn't be so bad.

This might be a selfish thing of me to say, but let's embrace Nintendo innovation for the NX! I want different, I want special, I want a "new way to play." I lose sleep at night just thinking about what this could be. I have never been more excited for a new console that I know next to nothing about! Love you guys and I hope to play with you in March on day 1

@IceClimbers Don't forget Spark, MS just killed that off a few days ago. We are Xboxen free, but my kid played it a lot on PC after ti went free.

I decided a few days ago on Pushsquare that by next gen MS gives up on consoles and just makes PC games playable on TVs over Ethernet or wireless. Why have both a Win X PC and an Xbox PC?

@Grumblevolcano I think Sony will reveal all at E3, I just meant in the 4 weeks before then. If Nintedo just said - NX at E3 - everybody's life would be much simpler. But no, all they do is tease a tease.

@BensonUii If the NX sells, Western third-party publishers will jump in.

I think the NX would have to sell well and X1 not get a successor to see NX get support. If Madden, COD and all of those FPS games can sell well enough on Sony and MS consoles I dont think those companies bother porting those games. By the time NX release PS5 and XX (I'm thinking MS will name the next Xbox 10, so XX for short) will be only 2 years away, so 1 year bfore the Sony and MS hype machines kick i tinto gear.

Also, if NX is anything like Wii to get the casuals back, well they don't buy those games anyway, so it depends who buys NX, gamers who want those games, or casuals who just want Cooking Momma. Loyal Nintnod fans spend too much time bad mouthing the yearly sequel games to buy them.

@RupeeClock I'm beyond tired of the secrecy. This notion that we should trust them and it's going to change the way we live was irritating back when Steve Jobs would do it, and they have less credibility right now. It's making me want to avoid this nonsense altogether.

@Yorumi

I agree with that. I just feel a screen on the controller makes sense- provided it's not a big clunky controller like the gamepad, and provided it's not being made into the focal point like many Wii U games.

And I see a lot of people say "I just want a plain controller" which is completely writing off the benefits of a second screen done right.

Like, DS was horrible with its 2nd screen. But 3DS the screen matured into a secondary component that works. I think just because Wii U screwed the pooch with some games doesn't mean people should be against a screen on the controller. Like I said, provided it's done right.

@Project_Dolphin Mode 7 was a revelation when it came out. F-Zero would not have been the same without shoulder buttons or Mode 7. New ways to play.

@Yorumi Well, I only meant to focus on the Wii there, and I already mentioned the shovelware so that you wouldn't have to. I guess I failed there...
And as far as the term gimmick goes, I see that @Project_Dolphin was already way ahead of me in debunking that one.

The handle that we should use in discussions such as these is to understand that nearly all things now accepted in game consoles and controllers were once gimmicks, for example shoulder buttons.

Revolutionary/new ways to play or not, still a gimmick nonetheless and only when such a thing becomes accepted by the general public, the label 'gimmick' is changed to 'feature' and nowadays, it is even expected that a controller has four, or two shoulder buttons/bumpers and two triggers.

Rumble was a gimmick, now we've moved to haptic rumble/feedback. Same with motion control controls, and no doubt if Nintendo's new invention is good enough, the other two will also make their own version of it. And if they do see fit to copy it, then that should tell you that Nintendo is once again on to something.

I am so very curious as to what it is, because this time around they are so much more protective of it than ever before, which does really up the ante a lot, so I hope they deliver, but I guess we'll know in a couple of months time...

Seems pretty likely that it's a streaming service.

My first thought was: Well, if Kimishima opening his mouth is newsworthy, we should expect more articles every time he breathes or eats or drinks something. Or maybe when he might snore during sleep. Just saying...

@argh4430 One thing doesn't have anything to do with the other.
Some random person on this planet might die in this moment, but that doesn't mean that person gets replaced by a baby that was just born somewhere else on earth.

@Yorumi Okay, let me elaborate: physical gimmicks. The bulk of the things you are mentioning are just labels and speak, not something that is tangible. When it concerns additions to a controller or a console, that is a different story.

As for the physical ones, here's my devil's advocate play: if Sega and Nintendo had kept games simple, we would never have needed six buttons or shoulder buttons, so they could easily have been classified as your first definition of gimmick back in the day...

And no, not everything on Earth is a gimmick, but that is going overboard with the definition. Sometimes things are just a solution to an evident or not directly evident problem, such as a snorkel. And sometimes, things are just a funny, not entirely useful doohicky...

@HeroponRiki Actually highly unlikely, since that is neither new nor is it something we have never seen or experienced before, and certainly not something that needs to be kept secret from the other two parties.

@rjejr Oh fuzz... hold on to your suspenders, buddy. The next wave of "once upon a Nintendo" is nigh, and this is a big one:
http://i67.tinypic.com/j7g8d1.png

@Yorumi
I can appreciate being apprehensive, but some here are just writing anything and everything beyond a Pro Controller as a gimmick. Which isn't fair at all. Controllers are never gimmicks- it's how they're used that determines whether it's a gimmick or not. Some games use it as a gimmick while others don't. That's true for Wiimote, gamepad, 3D, touchscreen, etc.

You're being rational and making that distinction, but many aren't. And I get the point about why the cost of the gamepad took away, but I imagine not more than $50. The only added cost between it and a pro controller is the screen. And they're selling 2DS for $80 bundled with a game. Can't be all that much extra for a screen, especially one that's SD and non-capacitive (or is it transistive?)

Even if it adds $50 to get a nice qHD screen on the NX I'm more than willing to pay it. The lack of disc drive will almost pay for it anyways. I think Nintendo has learned from Wii U to not get over zealous with showcasing it. Keep it simple. As long as they do that, and use a normal size controller (a little bigger is ok, but nothing like gamepad was) we're good.

Besides, it's gonna need one of its gonna play games wirelessly on the go, or better yet play game cartridges too.

people we already know the next Zelda is going to be on "codename NX" how is that NOT a replacement? come on already, it's a friggin REPLACEMENT HOME CONSOLE!!!!!!!!

@Yorumi
I really hope Nintendo do piss of they home console fanbase. I know it sounds horrible but this is business. I have argued this all along.

I'd rather lose 12m old fans and gain 30m new ones. Ideally you would want the best of both worlds but I don't see that happening.

Time to drop the "we don't want online chat", "we don't want good graphics", "we only want Nintendo games" etc, crowd.

Let's face it, they got nothing to lose - except the smallest home console fanbase of any major console manufacturer in almost two decades.

@Yorumi One thing before I address the gimmick point again: I want to stress that I agree on waggle and on putting things in for putting it in's sake, so please let us skip that one from here on out. As for the terminology once again, to me that is exactly what I was trying to explain to you: that those things are accepted now and we see, by means of that acceptance and actual usage of it before we condemn it to the seventh circle of hell, that it can add something to the experience that is actually good.

Motion controls when implemented the right way, can definitely be a wonderful addition, and even Sony with it's six axis motion controller could have found some proper uses for it, if users gave them the time to do so, or if they would have not abandoned it so soon.

And all other additions to controllers are easily categorized in a similar way. All buttons and features on modern day controllers are only 'needed' because the games ask for them. But there are also a ton of games that don't need them, as evidenced by double functions for buttons in these games, for example where both the left stick and the directional control pad can be used to control your character or vehicle.

And then there are special games that can't have enough buttons or sticks, such as flight simulators, but those are niche and the controllers for that, if you want to have a good one, are pretty expensive.

And who really needs rumble or haptic feedback to play games? I know a whole lot of people that simply switch it off because they are tired of it. And then there are people that love it and think that it really adds to the game and makes it more immersive, so is that then a gimmick or a feature, or both? Who decides, the people that like it or the people that don't?

Nintendo is oftentimes already judged way before people have even seen, heard or tried anything, and some people wouldn't even touch anything they make with a ten foot pole, but they still judge even though they can't possibly know. That is where my list came from. Kimishima has actually said very little and yet people come up with the craziest ideas and seem to have a crystal ball sat on their desk, and know that NX is going to be a failure from day one.

It is both disappointing and to me truly exasperating to read so many truly dumb and baseless comments. People need to learn how to relax and take a breather and not jump to conclusions so soon. Who knows, Nintendo might actually hit it out of the park this time. Or maybe it is only going to be for a smaller audience but to me it seems so very unlikely that Nintendo is going to do as bad with the NX as the Wii U did AGAIN.

This is not completely based upon Nintendo itself (although they do have the knack to beat the odds), but more upon the resumé of Kimishima, a man that has yet to fail at anything. Of course, nobody's perfect and everybody can make a mistake in his or her life or career every now and then, but I have a distinct feeling that this isn't going to be Kimishima's first misstep. I think he came well prepared and is going to lay a solid foundation for the new ecosystem that for now is still code-named NX...

@Yorumi
Hmm...

Perhaps why I have a hard time relating is because I have a different perspective. As a Vita owner I know what it's like to truly be abandoned by the console manufacturer. Great launch, 2 years of support (really just one good year and a lazy 2nd) and then the plug was pulled.

I look at the Wii U and I see a struggling console Nintendo is mitigating losses with, but, I still see games from Nintendo all the way until the new console launch. Admittedly, the cycle will be cut short 6-8 months and yes, the last year is sparse as they come, but, it's still so much more than I got from Sony with the Vita.

So I look at it and think, wow, if Nintendo were Sony or Sega they would have dumped the Wii U after Smash Bro's dropped. The fact they didn't earned my trust. Cause I know that come hell or high water, Nintendo will guarantee I get great games from them for a generation- even if a short one where the end fizzles (Wii fizzled too, so that's normal during the final transition year).

I mean, I just realize how much worse it could have been. How easily Nintendo could have (and was probably even advised to) dropped Wii U back in 2014. I'm thankful for the support they've given. Compared to a normal console sure, it's lacking but compared to every other failed rival platform they really went above and beyond.

It's not a replacement of the wii u or 3ds but a powerfull (hope so) combination of the two .

@ThanosReXXX I think a lot of that is old news. I remember Luig's Manson 3 at launch, b/c I said my kids may want 1 for that moreso than Zelda. And I had a long discussion w/ someone about how 12GB RAM sounded weird as most memory #s double, and the current consoles are 8, so 16 was more likely than 12. Though being Nintneod they would settle for 8. And why DDR4? It's new, so it sounds good, but it only works w/ Intel high end processors.

Just sounds like a wishlist of other rumours with some dates thrown in to make it look offical. It will probably be debunked in a few days.

Here's some anyaslt speak from a few months ago - unveil in June launch in Oct/Nov - and we know how that turned out. I'm not believing anything anymore.

http://wccftech.com/nintendo-nx-to-be-unveiled-this-june-for-an-october-november-launch-analyst-says/

I don't believe this. All Wii U is going to get this year is FE # Tokyo Mirage Sessions and Not Paper Mario. Sure there's some indie games but 1st party support is the thing they need if they want to keep Wii U alive. NX will replace Wii U Day 1, end of story.

You know it's incorrect because he didn't say the word doomed.

My initial reaction is to believe that this is just PR babble but we have no way of knowing one way or the other and won't until Nintendo decides to unveil whatever the NX is. I really wish it was going to be at E3 just to end the rumors and speculation sooner rather than later.

@rjejr He answers some of those things you say in the twitter feed. The rumors may not be legit, but the guy comes across as down to earth, so although it's always with a grain of salt, things continuously coming back could also mean something...
https://twitter.com/Tenkay23/status/731691738633375744
Guess we'll find out soon enough anyways.

Upgraded Wii U, Gamepad controller, play anywhere with Wi fi as long as Wii U 2 is on standby.

Wii U Gamepad can actually be used like this according to Broadcom as it is.

@Yorumi Both understandable and not. Kimishima says it's a complete departure from the Wii/Wii U family, says it is something new and exciting an never seen before, and people still scream "Oh no's, Wii U 2.0". It's pathetic, sickening and shows a distinct lack of comprehensive reading skills.

Sorry to be so curt and/or harsh, but I'm so done with that premature and judgmental behavior, and combine that with being tired of waiting on official news and that is the me that is writing this now. Nothing personal, though. I do think we aren't going to agree on the gimmick thing, however, so I think I'll take my leave here from that topic...

@Yorumi The analogue stick did not "just make sense" - even after Sony followed suit with the dual analogue controller and then dual shock there were very few games on the original PlayStation that required one.

There are games where it offers a bit more precision, but I'd argue even today you'll find very few games that actually need analogue controls. I really hate the analogue triggers on the dual shock 3 - shame no third parties made a controller that ditched them.

For my money off-screen play is the only justification for the screen on the gamepad I need; the fact that it has motion sensors for aiming is the icing on the cake. I do wish Zombi U had used them...

@Yorumi. On a side note, and one last thing to add: I sometimes truly hate clickable sticks, especially in frantic game sessions where I find myself pressing them when I don't need to because I'm pushing forward on the stick to hard, causing it to press down.

When that happens, I truly feel that buttons underneath sticks are gimmicks because they work against me in that moment...

All we know basically is that it's a console and it will have the next Zelda on it. Is it a console and handheld, what games are coming to it, what does the controller look like, what companies plan to support it, we know absolutely nothing and the system comes out in less than a year, wth Nintendo, time to reveal the system!

@rjejr Sega shot themselves in the foot with a series of catastrophic decisions. They burned many people and fans with senseless and expensive, under supported add ons that never materialised as promised.

GameGear while boasting a colour screen, ate through 6 AA batteries in two hours, so it was doomed to failure as a portable.

Saturn was launched by surprise at a crazy high pricepoint, little software with badly designed hardware that struggled with polygons and 3D graphics. Sega left Saturn for dead early on.

Launched Dreamcast, which was overshadowed by the PS2 and DVD. Millions wasted developing Shenmue, new director had lack of interest in console business and wished to exit the console market and focus on becoming a 3rd party.

@Yorumi No such thing as a first party PC dev? well, even though you also have Unix/Linux and Apple PC's, I think the Microsoft PC is the one that's still most commonly used, so arguably, Microsoft is the first party dev there...

The thing is though, I understand your sentiment and to an extent I agree, but that could translate to Nintendo doing the exact same thing as the other two, and they just can't do that, for a truckload of reasons, most importantly them denying/betraying their own philosophy and way of operating (top down pyramid) and they aren't big enough to compete on that level with the other two.

That would also mean that the only distinction between the three would be the unique titles that each of them has, and that in no way guarantees Nintendo a continued place in the market or larger support of third parties, which they so desperately seem to be needing according to most people criticizing them.

Kimishima (and Iwata before his passing) have made this statement many, many times. It's nothing newsworthy.

Remember that the NX is also getting the new Zelda game, so even if it has some obscure gimmick (and it probably will) , it is still capable of handling a brand new, presumably massive 3D Zelda game.

Can they please stop saying it won't replace the Wii U? That just makes me all the more positive that it will happen...

@Monkeyofthefunk wow... That's a really good question.

Think about it this way my droid turbo $500 cell phone can stream (mirror) the display to our Samsung tv, but it's very very choppy, like maybe 5 or 6 fps. Really only good for showing pictures.

I am like you, I don't think the tech is there for an inexpensive handheld.

Wii U streaming is only 800x400 if I remember right.

@Danrenfroe2016 It's 854x480 (480p).

@ThanosReXXX yes. I expect you are probably right, but I'm leaning towards PlayStation as I have never owned any of the Microsoft or Sony consoles. Been a pretty straight down the line Nintendo fan. But I think I am going to have to get a second console.

I recently got a Sega Dreamcast comma and it's kind of sad but the rally came, I think it is called Sega rally is really really good, it is better than the 30 crapware that was offered for the wii.

I am still not really sure what I'm going to do, but I really would like to play some Modern racing games.

@ThanosReXXX ooh yes. Wow. And this only works for a very short distance and on an exclusive 5ghz wifi stream.

Honestly, I've never been disappointed with Nintendo consoles or games, so I'm simply looking forward what they have to offer. It's exciting, really. The internet has so much of an effect on people, we seem not not to realize it anymore. Whether or not it's gimmicky or whatever, does it really matter? Weren't the games top notch recently? They were, I believe. You can't seriously be worried about a company going bankrupt, now can you? And that's the only thing you might be worried about. Other than that it's just an opinion you want to force on others. Nintendo's great, has always been, and I'm glad I can witness how it evolves.

@peeks No Nintendo has never had a 5 year life span for ANY of their handheld consoles.... Between new generational launches:
Gameboy was 9 years.
Gameboy Colour was 3 years.
Gameboy Advance was 3 years.
Nintendo DS was 7 years.
Nintendo 3DS is currently 5 years, but will be 6 years by the time the NX comes out.

So I really don't know where your getting this every 5 years thing...
If you need the actual release dates you can look it up here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nintendo_portable_consoles

X = 10. 10 screens. 10 joysticks. 10 games.

@Yorumi
I was deliberately exaggerating my point on Nintendo fans
You still got the main aim of my statement and that's all that matters.

At this point they need to completely stop talking about it and focus on Wii U (unlikely) or just tell what the heck it is already.

Maybe it's some virtual reality thing...

For the new president to say it will have a larger impact then the Wii u...isn't saying much! Hope Nintendo knows where it's heading this time around!!

"but I don't feel it's a pure replacement for the Wii U"
That's why games that we were developing for U go for NX instead

UUUUUUGH, just tell us what the new gimmick is already! We all know it's going to replace the Wii U, and possibly the 3DS as well, so just give us the details around the time of E3.

@ThanosReXXX Which games were those? Clickable sticks worked great for me in Monster Hunter...

I have no idea what he means, but every time Nintendo says it won't replace Wii U OR 3DS it makes me think it is. And that doesn't necessarily mean it's a hybrid.

Late to this party but I think the statement is really just a variation on what has been said before, not a new slant. Kimishimi is simply distancing the NX from the Wii U. As others have stated we are still getting Zelda on it, so it will have quite similar capabilities to the Wii U.

It has dawned on me with my hopes for backwards compatibility that it would have to support Wii remotes for that to have compatibility be 100%. I feel like, more than anything, he might be hinting that it's a clean break from the days of the Wii. No more sensor bar, no more Wii remote support.

While the new machine may have a controller-screen it may not have support for the old motion controls.

If you are worried it will be too far out there just keep reminding yourself it will play the new Zelda.

@Danrenfroe2016 You recently bought a Dreamcast? Well, that's a great console, so you will not regret it. I still have mine as well, and I sometimes take it out of the closet for a spin. It has a lot of great games and some are indeed better than Wii games, or any other console games for that matter...
What games do you have for it? Or too many to list already?
As for the Wii U GamePad: I am still impressed by that, even though the console flopped. They use a special kind of compression which turns the live game signal into an H264 video stream, which is then hardware-decoded by the Wii U on the fly, and if you consider that it renders every game that can simultaneously display on the TV twice, it is quite an achievement, especially considering the double resolutions (720p/1080p for the console, 480p for the GamePad) then you will actually realize that it truly isn't such a weak console, but the GamePad is the bottleneck in that way. If it wasn't used, then games could have looked quite a bit better. But then again: we wouldn't have these couple of great games and Off TV Play.

@PlywoodStick Mainly first person shooters. I don't like pressure in games all that much, so when playing online with friends, I sometimes got a bit stressed, lost my cool and things like that happened, or moving the right stick the wrong way, losing orientation, or pressing a button too many times and ending up in 'crouch' instead of 'stand' and being shot over and over because I couldn't get away fast enough, only realizing afterwards that I had been crouching all the time...

When I'm playing solo and have all the time in the world, then clickable sticks are no problem for me. But I still prefer shooters where I can take my time, such as Sniper Elite V2 and such.

@Yorumi @ThanosReXXX @JaxonH
On the gimmick thing.
People absolutely thought gamepads, R.O.B the robot the light gun, shoulder buttons, the rumble pack, the analog stick on the N64 controller, the bean-shaped rounded GC controllers were gimmicks. They were all greated with skepticism and derision on first glance from many people but I only knew a few. Of course, the internet wasn't always there to amplify the whining. (Don't forget that home video games as a whole have been looked on as a gimmick). Gameboy connecting cables: gimmick. Pokemon: fad. I've heard all these things first hand.

Those Super Nintendo shoulder buttons were probably the worst for me actually. Despite their utility, they broke way too easily.

That's why when I see people saying "another gimmick from Nintendo" I just roll my eyes. It's just a useless phrase even in retrospect. Things come and go they add up they are subsumed into the language of intractivity by some groups and not others. Some people have enjoyed the GamePad screen and when they come across Star Fox they ultimately find something deeply involving, others give up in frustration or hate it the whole time they play. It's not black and white.

You can't just label gimmick and move on as if you've said something meaningful. You haven't.

@aaronsullivan I think you read me wrong: I was actually against the term gimmick for whatever Nintendo is cooking up with the NX, and I also explained that a thing is only a gimmick until it is accepted by the public, in which case it will become a feature, and shoulder buttons are a good example of that, by the way...

@ThanosReXXX Wasn't saying you said otherwise. I was just entering into the conversation uninvited.

@WiltonRoots It's up to 83 now. Let's make it to 100, people! GET YOUR G-WORD ON!

@aaronsullivan Ah, okay. Well, it's way past midnight over here so I'm gonna blame that on being tired, because now I apparently misinterpreted you. It did come across as if you were addressing me as "one of those people", though. And the last sentence seemed to solidify that:
"You can't just label gimmick and move on as if you've said something meaningful. You haven't."
Well, that is what I got from it anyway, but like I said: it's late over here...

@ThanosReXXX Oh yeah, twin sticks sucks for FPS. Outside of keyboard/mouse, the only control schemes I've really liked for them is the N64 controller and the Wiimote. The N64 controller because move with single stick (or C buttons), strafe with C buttons, aim with R+stick, switch weapons with A/B, and fire with Z like a gun trigger clicked with me, and the Wiimote because with the Nunchuk and MotionPlus, it's pretty much hands down the best console FPS controller of all time. It was a huge wasted opportunity to not have more Wiimote MotionPlus FPS titles, including on the Wii U. (Or even RTS titles)

@PlywoodStick Totally agreed on Wiimote for FPS games. There actually were quite a few titles on the Wii, though. Obviously not all Motion+ and which ones would interest you would of course also be a matter of personal taste, but far as I can remember, there were at least a dozen or more, and at least 5 or 6 of them support Motion+.

@ThanosReXXX yes.

I've been going kind of retro nuts lately.

My original retro collection consisted of my original release day N64 and NES and lots of great games.

But then in the last 3 months I picked up the following:

Second N64 with a few new games.

Saturn with Nights, Daytona USA, andretti racing and some crappy sports games. Don't have an analog controller yet though.

Dreamcast with Test drive V-Rally ( amazing game), tomb Raider the last Revelation ( the controls are so so bad in my opinion) midway arcade hits, Jermy McGrath supercross ( it's OK) test drive le man's ( very good game, with lots of tweak options), sonic adventure ( fun, but my DC has trouble reading the disk.) And chicken run.

GameCube to play WR blue ocean, Luigi mansion, mega man collection, sonic collection, geist ( very good game!!! Sleeper) and PAC world 2 ( great but buggy game)

SNES original NA model (s-video baby) only have lion King now. ( childhood favorite)

I have all these systems hooked up with s video cables with the exception of the NES. Look great on my old Mitsubishi 57" CRT HD projection TV.

The old Mitsubishi HD CRT projection TVs are amazing for old game consoles, no need for a framemeister or any of that stuff s-video has amazing quality.

What games do you have? Have you had CD drive issues on your Dreamcast?

Then why are you only showcasing 1 game at E3 this year?

NX is without a doubt replacing Wii U. They're lying through their teeth at this point.

It's going to be some kind of multimedia box to connect with phones, PCs, Wii U and 3DS, where you can, among other stuff, play games made exclusively for it.

I am predicting an earthquake all around the world when NX is finally unveiled, caused by the collective slamming of every head into every desk on the planet.

All this secrecy and hype is likely to blow up in their faces. Hope I'm wrong, but my optimism about NX is waning quickly due to quotes like this.

Not a replacement, it'll just become the target of 99.99% of their software focus after release.

"I don't feel it's a pure replacement for the Wii U"

Yeah, yeah "third-pillar" and all that, when have we heard that before?! No, its just a Wii u replacement!!

"The NX is neither the successor to the Wii U nor to the 3DS"

"I don't feel it is a pure replacement to the Wii U."

Because it's a replacement to both 3DS and Wii U. Wii U gets replaced first. The Third Pillar Strikes Back!

@rjejr Forgot about that. Didn't they cancel Phantom Dust too, or is that just in limbo?

"Xbox 10"

I'm imagining some Microsoft employee reading that with a look of horror on their face because somebody guessed the name of the next Xbox. That name is just perfect.

No disrespect to the dead but Iwata said a lot of stuff. And a lot of it was garbage and/or empty promises. The marketing fluff about Nintendo's next whatever being a "new experience" and "changing gamers' lives," et cetera, does nothing for me or excite me. I'll be excited by the NX when I see it and if it actually delivers on Nintendo's always lofty promises.

At this point a regular controller would be an all new way of playing games for Nintendo, so I'm going to stay hopeful!

@ThanosReXXX "Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!"

Well there goes that.

Oh, and not soon enough, soon enough would have been E3 2015 when Reggie said in the NDE - "We'll tell you about NX next year." Soon enough has long passed. And will pass even further at E3. Spaceworld in November as Nintendo drags it out until the very end. Then we'll all feign mock shock as NX doesn't sell.

@IceClimbers Best thing about Xbox 10, Xbox X shortens to XXX. Maybe instead of focusing on Fantasy Football at the unveiling they focus on Fantasy dating and have Tinder and Grindr apps. XXX the first adults only videogame console where all games are rated M for mature. And Minecraft for the kids.

It could be just like Logan's Run.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-real-problem-with-logans-runs-infamous-sex-telep-1347944823

And at the rate Nitneod is going we'll hear about XboxX before NX.

@liveswired Ninntedo shot themselves in the foot with a series of catastrophic decisions. They burned many people and fans with senseless and expensive, under supported add ons that never materialised as promised. Like the Vitality Sensor, QoL and promised Dual Gamepad support and TVii in the EU.

Wii U was launched by surprise - is it a Wii add-on controller? - at a crazy high pricepoint, little software with badly designed hardware that struggled with polygons and 3D graphics. Nintneod left Wii U for dead early on.

Launched NX, which was overshadowed by the PS4K and 4k blu ray. Millions wasted developing Zelda U or Wii U only to be ported to NX, new director had lack of interest in console business and wished to exit the console market and focus on becoming a 3rd party and signed a deal w/ DeNA and made 5 games n 1 year for mobile.

I made a few modifications, but it should look familiar. History repeats itself.

Nintnod does have 2 things going for it - a dedicated handheld business due in large part to Pokemon and Monster Hunter that has no dedicated competition, just smartphones. And also, they have money. So if they make home console that also plays on handhelds, 1 set of games sharing a save point to literally be played anywhere on any size screen, then they have a shot. But if NX is only a home console, it's DOA.

Nintneod isn't Sega, but their home console business is similar. Nintneod needs to lean on the handhelds.

@rjejr Seems he deleted that page himself, for whatever reason, but he put up another. He seems to be going on a small rant about his info being verified and all as opposed to the info from other leakers that leave a lot to be desired:
https://twitter.com/Tenkay23/status/732545769790701568

And the easiest way to get there, was simply going to his home page on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/Tenkay23

"It could be just like Logan's Run."

Well, Samsung Gear (or something similar) with POV porn has already surpassed that by a mile. I've seen clips of that. It's weird to the point of uncomfortable seeing a woman crawling towards you on all fours to lean on virtual you's legs sitting on a couch, unzipping your virtual pants and, well... you'll get the picture. All in first person perspective. Fun thing of the clip was that they let people put the head set on in the middle of a busy street to experience that. Uncomfortable was quite the understatement...

@ThanosReXXX Went to that Twitter post dated May 17 and there's nothing to it. No dates, no numbers, no names, no specs. It says - Nitnod is making something. It's almost a completely pointless read. Actually since we already know Zelda NX is coning and it's launching in March 2017 I'd say that's 1 leak that's even less informative than what we do know. It's just random words.

@rjejr Well, it makes sense if you compare it to the May 14 one. That one is filled with wishful thinking and you need to see them side by side to see what still stands and what is "debunked".

He apparently also had a pretty hefty argument with Emily Rogers, saying she was full of it and her not knowing what the hell she was talking about, for which he has now apologized even though he still stands by his own info.

I guess only time will tell, huh?
Maybe we should force all these rumor mongers to eat one item of clothing when they are exposed as talking out of their other end. I wonder how many of them will survive that...

Ugh I just want march to hurry up and get here so I can play the new Zelda on my wiiu.

@Danrenfroe2016 I have nearly every Dreamcast game there is, not all original, because for some reason, my Dreamcast (bought it second hand in a used game store) is both region free and completely unlocked, enabling it to play downloaded cd iso's of games as well. Far as I can tell it hasn't been tampered with to activate this compatibility and after doing some reading up on this phenomenon back then, I found out that quite a lot of models of Dreamcast have this ability.

I don't remember if it is a certain type or serial number range, but it works, so what do I care? Most games are almost impossible to get otherwise or are ridiculously expensive, and to me it is just a hobby; I'm not really a collector or completionist, although I did go a bit overboard with the Dreamcast games...

Either way, it is certainly worth it to find out if your Dreamcast has similar capabilities. If you have some empty cd's lying around (or if not; buy some, they're dirt cheap) go to either emuparadise or the iso zone and select a couple of games, burn them to the cd's and put them in your Dreamcast to see if they will boot up or not.

There's also some great lost software and/or prototypes to be found on the iso zone that you will otherwise never be able to play since these were never commercially released.

Here are some unreleased games that I downloaded:

Propeller Arena - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JsRHC8-qcs
Geist Force - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pDb-mYdegg
Half Life Gold - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV-zOhKkrwE
Toe Jam & Earl 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhkB5Dg8KME
Hellgate - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-w9_Khe2_w
DC Evolution Quake - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyRxkDezYsY
The Flintstones: Viva Rock Vegas - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp4TuC6xazI
MoHo (Ball Breakers) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhCxKa2FzRg

@ThanosReXXX awesome.

Have you tried the Saturn?

What are some of your favorite games you can recommend for the Dreamcast?

Also, do all the Tomb Raider games control so darn terrible /awkard?

I have always heard so much about Tomb Raider, and I finally get one that has decent graphics and doesn't shake all around all over the place like the original PlayStation and it controls so bad! Ugh. I was looking forward to doing the whole Tomb Raider thing.

@PlywoodStick

84 now. They be droppin' them G-bombs in this place like there's no tomorrow...

@Danrenfroe2016 Nope, haven't tried the Saturn. Might buy one some day, though...
Favorite games is hard, because there are so many, but here is a pretty extensive list of titles that I can definitely recommend:
Daytona USA (the ultimate version, practically 1:1 with the arcade)
Soul Calibur
Dead or Alive 2
Hydro Thunder
Silver (interesting isometric rpg game)
Sword of the Berserk (anime hack and slash, deliciously over the top)
Shenmue 1 & 2
Ecco the Dolphin
Crazy Taxi 1 & 2
Alien Front
Propeller Arena
Jet Set Radio/Jet Grind Radio
Power Stone 1 & 2 (great 4 player alternative to Smash Bros)
Metropolis Street Racer
Head Hunter
18 Wheeler: American Pro Trucker
Giga Wing 1 & 2
Ikaruga
Testdrive V-Rally (saw that you already have that one)
Vanishing Point (pretty good racing game)
San Francisco Rush 2049
Super Runabout
Wacky Races
Red Dog: Superior Firepower
Wild Metal
Speed Devils
Looney Toons Space Race
Blue Stinger (sci-fi adventure)
Super Magnetic Neo (great little platformer)
Trick Style (air boarder game made by Criterion from the Burnout and the modern Need for Speed games. Hard as nails but very cool)
Zombie Revenge (third person arcade shooter)
Illbleed (very weird horror adventure)
And if you're into quirky and strange, then Seaman is a must have...
I'd say look up some YouTube videos on these games and decide for yourself...
"Also, do all the Tomb Raider games control so darn terrible /awkard?"
Yes, I'm afraid they do, it's the whole Resident Evil "turn like a tank" control scheme...
I believe they copied that 1:1 from the PSX version, but then again: I wouldn't have expected there to be other controls since all versions were the same back then.
EDIT:
I don't really have any drive issues, other than longer loading and/or more noise with some games, but all of them load just fine. From what I've read it has to do with the location of the various bits of data on the disc: if that isn't optimized, the drive is going to make a lot of noise because it has to go back and forth all the time to read and combine the data.

I've experienced the difference in optimized and non-optimized (raw) game rips. Once I knew that, I only downloaded optimized titles, and skipped the raw ones.

But if it is something other than that, maybe try and give cleaning the lens a go, or if the other games load just fine, polish the Sonic disc or have it polished by a professional in a game shop to remove any blemishes.

@ThanosReXXX "Maybe we should force all these rumor mongers to eat one item of clothing ..."

Or, I don't know, maybe we should force Ninteod to tell us about the console that they've been NOT talking about for over a year now, ever since they signed that DeNA deal last March and Iwata said "NX". Then again at E3. Then again last month. NX, NX, NX, without ever telling us what it is. But they want us to know it's launching in March 2017. Who the heck tells people WHEN something is launching before telling them WHAT it is? That is not the way things work, WHAT should always come before WHEN so we can decide if we need to care about the WHEN or not. Morons.

So I don't blame the rumour mongers or leakers 1 bit. This is on Nintendo. And saying "no NX at E3" is a shout out to the lunatics on the internet - Now, fight like apes.

This is like a documentary of E3 attendees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6VDA3bzihM

@rjejr

@ThanosReXXX Priceless.

@rjejr So from now on, we are going to have to call him "Killer Kimishima", a name that would also apply if he slam dunks the industry and nails it by making the NX a huge success...

@ThanosReXXX I wanna fraaaaaai so hiiiiiiiiigh! Let's goooooo to geybaaaah! Breeeew brew skiiiiies! Breeeew, brew skies, I see!

@ThanosReXXX "and nails it by making the NX a huge success..."

OK, serious question, is there any conceivable way you can see that happening?

We've spent over a year now talking about this thing called NX but under no circumstances - based on what we now know - do I see it becoming a big success. I think 25 mil could be a realistic goal for a home console for them at this point, but I'm not sure how to get them there. $200 for the home console portion maybe. $200 for a later handheld, and they both play the exact same cartridges. But $200 isn't realistic. And it probably won't get much AAA support. N64, Gamecube, Wii U, none have sold well by PS2/PS3/PS4 standards. A $200 handheld w/ TV out, or a $100 dock, maybe, but a Home console, I just can't see a reason why more people would buy it than Wii U, which has some great games and a competitive price. But I think Nitneod can only exist as a cheaper 2nd console, and it doesn't seem like they are going that route. Of course X1 isn't doing much better, but MS has money to burn on marketing, and next gen they won't make so many stupid mistakes, which doomed them before launch.

Go ahead, try to sell me on a successful NX.

@PlywoodStick What song is that from, or am I missing something?

@rjejr Oh man, I should have made it a tongue sticking out smiley. I was being sarcastic, also with the new Kimishima moniker, all fueled by that hilarious comic strip...

@ThanosReXXX The most famous song from Daytona USA! (Well, maybe the most infamous...) Classic Sega is just pure magic and good feelings. (With some unintentional hilarity from barely understandable or Engrish song lyrics)

@Nin10doh Except for the part where they said they won't drop it like a hot rock. Any fan "facts" based on opinions like that have been wrong for ages like that now.

@rjejr But, now that you mentioned it, going by your formula of mixing all the 3DS and Wii U users coming to a grand total of about 60 million potential NX users, it could definitely still be a success.
And here are some new morsels of lightly digestive rumors to tide you over. All coinciding with and discussing the news coming from miss Rogers, Serkan Toto and that crazy Twitter guy:
Nvidia/AMD discussion part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RknzL-87gt8
Nvidia/AMD discussion part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtQcfcjyZ2c
AMD/Nvidia face off (Emily Rogers vs SuperMetalDave64): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TF42HlUL5E

Oh, and to add to that, a rumor actually tying in to some facts for a change. I'd love to know what you make from that, and how it ties in with these latest rumors to give it either more or less validity:
Emily Rogers/Serkan Toto discussion partially censored screen grab:http://i.imgur.com/Jk7hvcV.jpg?1
The important thing about that Tweet is the people that are mentioned in it:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sureshdevalapalli
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ssudharsanan
https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshua-buckman-7331a953
https://www.linkedin.com/in/carlos-karczeski-394b235
All people from Nintendo and a certain other company. If you look, you can connect the dots...
And to top that sandwich off, here's SuperMetalDave64 again, ever so politely (whatever else can be said of him, I've got to give him that) once again refuting all the Nvidia and/or ARM rumors and making his case for x86: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNL8y-ZKPx4

@PlywoodStick None of these songs have stuck in my mind, apparently. Accept for 'Daytooonaaaaaaa!!' obviously...

Well, goodbye backwards compatibility, goodbye over $2000 worth of eShop purchases...

@rjejr No, just switching Sega for Nintendo doesn't work if you look at the facts. For a start QoL and 'vitality sensor' were never gaming orientated - they were exploratory concepts Iwata had for moving into health and well being, medical - hardly a disappointment, I don't know about you but I knew they were never going to see the light of day on a commercial basis. As for TVii - long term Nintendo fans should have realised Nintendo simply did not have the expertise or would they put the funding into such a project - its not a Nintendo thing to do - I remember being lambasted from day one after stating Nintendo didn't have the technical clout, talent or know how to attempt such a feat. Nintendo make cute games that are fun to play, they don't push the technical boundaries of their consoles, they find a safe middle ground, pockets of small teams and relax into it - no Nintendo game yet has come close to Shenmue levels of cost.

You see there is the first big difference, despite R and D, Nintendo are incredibly tight with finances - over the last 10 years their hardware has been budget, hell their marketing budget is a shoestring - Sega on the other hand spent ridiculous sums of money and in the end lost big..

Also despite my heavy criticisms of Nintendo - they have, over the last two years finally started investing time in their network and services, diversifying onto mobile platforms and integrating their branding into the lives of millions, it seems like a long term strategy that may pay off.

We all compare Wii U to Dreamcast, but at the end of the day Wii U has sold 13 million consoles at a profit with no advertising. The Dreamcast sold just over 9 million consoles when Sega stopped making them, with a massive advertising budget and at a loss - particularly in the end when the system was being sold for £40-60 (!) for the last year of it's official life.

"The NX is neither the successor to the Wii U"
Even though they stopped Wii U production?!?!

All this rumour and speculation is a waste of time. Just wait and see what nintendo doez

@ThanosReXXX I've decided I don't care if it's ARM or 86. 8GB or 12GB. And I don't care about Emily Rogers and SMD64, I can just discuss these things with you, we don't need them and their inside info.

Things I care about -
1 system or 2, and if 2 do theyplay the same games adn well together
Price. Power does affect price, but whether its a Wii U 2 or a Gamecube matters more.
3rd party support. Which the more I think about it, the less I care. If my kids and I do get an NX it will be for 1st party games. 3rd party support matters of course, but even if it's a PS4/X1 clone Nintnod has no real control over that, so it's not something they can announce. We've already been down the "unprecedented partnership" road.
Backwards compatibility - I would like that, 3DS games on my TV would be great. And if NX is cartridge based, so the Home and Handheld can play the same cartridges, then maybe NX Home can play 3DS games, upresed for TV. And Ntinod can't claim - no TV b/c no 3D - b/c they sell the 2DS.

But I don't really care about DDR3 or 4 or 5, clock speeds, GPU, none of that.

And not only don't the leaks tell us much, Nitnedo doesn't even tell us much. Remember Gamecube on VC, that's barely a thing. Remember Dual Gamepad support? Never happened. Remember TVii? DOA in most of the world, dead dead now in the rest. So even if we get actual real leaks of stuff Nitneod has planned, that doesn't mean it will ever happen. They put a camera in the Gamepad, how much use has that had?

I think what it really comes down to though, is leak fatigue. It's been over a year. How long is Ninteod going to chum the water before putting a hook in and start fishing? Speculation is fun, when they announce a ND on Monday for Wed, but 14 months and counting? Enough. At lest announce the frakin' Spaceworld date already. July, August? Just say something. They surely arne't making games for Wii U anymore, they should tell us what games they are making. A moratorium on silence already.

@Kriandis They haven't stopped Wii U production.

@liveswired Looking at the facts, the vitality sensor was announced and shown off at E3 2009. If they didn't intend it for use in games, why show it off during an E3 presentation?

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2009/06/e3_2009_wii_vitality_sensor_is_revealed

Wii Vitality Sensor. Wii is a gaming console. VS is a gaming peripheral.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRwarxMTxZg

Now if you want to argue Wii Fit isn't a game, and Wii Sports ins't a game, and Just Dance isn't a game, well you can make that argument, and I might even agree with you, but they all fall within what Nintod does with it's gaming console. Brain Age, NintneDogs, Gardening Momma, tons of stuff Nitnedo does many gamers would say aren't video games. But they are.

Oh, and while I probably did compare the Wii U to the Dreamcast, (280 comments, I can't find it) I woudlnt be surprised if history shows us Wii U was the Saturn, NX was the Dreamcast, ie the last home console Ntinedo makes. Well if it is a home console. NX could be their last console period, and then they go 3rd party. Which would then make the Ntinedo-Sega comparisons complete.

Still have about 3-5 years to see how NX plays out though. I for one am no longer optimistic. I was. I was really optimistic when I thought NX for holiday 2016 along with Zelda U and then Zelda NX in March 2017, giving Wii U owners a few months head start to make up for all their waiting. But I can't be optimistic about a home console launching in March after millions of people buy PS4 and X1 and maybe even PS4k and X1.5 for the holidays. It just doesn't add up.

@rjejr I can definitely agree with you on the 'leak fatigue' but I will not pretend to actually know more than some of the more serious leakers with verified Nintendo or related contacts, since I have no contacts whatsoever that are in any way related to that.

Of course we can dissect all the official information and statements so far, combine it with a little common sense and go from there, but that still doesn't come close.

I also want some official word on NX and what's to come, but that will only be coming when Nintendo deems it time to do so, which leaves me with two options (or three, arguably): the first is to be and stay annoyed at the lack of official news, the second is to find some enjoyment in the leaks, knowing full well that there is a lot of BS in there, but it can still be fun to speculate right along with them, or see what the heck these people have cooked up next.

The optional third way of surviving this period is to figuratively shut all doors and windows and refrain from reading any NX related news or rumors, UNLESS it's official.

One thing, though: we really need to drop the whole 'Nintendo is the next Sega' thing, because they ain't, and they ain't gonna be.

So many, MANY crucial differences between their and Nintendo's story, that they don't even come close to matching that situation.

Sega stacked premature release upon premature release (SegaCD, 32x, Saturn and finally Dreamcast) in a bid to hold on to gamers, appease gamers and attract new customers, but instead only ended up angering a whole lot of people, and bleeding money by the truckloads, primarily because of gross and widespread mismanagement. The G4TV documentary about the history of the Dreamcast is the only one that tells the true story and interviews all the people involved back then:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3rw-9Q0lJ0

The only console that Nintendo is (arguably) rushing to an early grave, is the Wii U. Before that they did make some mistakes along the way towards the Wii U, but NOWHERE near as bad as Sega.

And if Iwata's quotes about NX are understood correctly, then NX is not just a console and/or a handheld, but an entire ecosystem, a new range of products, under the same name. A family, if you will, so no: the NX will not be Nintendo's last console, since NX stands for much more than just one console.

They might move towards some kind of PSTV/game streaming kind of service with a tiny set top box or device, but the path towards this new ecosystem has been carefully and extensively chiseled out, so it is for all intent and purposes set in stone, and what will come next is only the first step, so logically, I don't expect them to immediately give up if the first device in the NX family of devices will fail or won't sell as good as they hope.

And they still have WAY more money than Sega had back then, too. Obviously it isn't going to last forever, but as Kimishima has already stated, the first NX device isn't going to be sold at a loss, so even if they don't sell a whole lot, the damage will be more or less containable.

And as I have already extensively, and quite often explained to a whole bunch of people on various sites: the PS4K/NEO and whatever Microsoft is cooking up for the Xbox One, aren't going to harm Nintendo, because the other two parties can't risk alienating existing console owners, so no exclusives will be coming to these 1.5 upgrades, and existing owners will therefore not be rushing to update. It might be good for a replacement if your current console is defective/no longer in perfect working order or, obviously, if you're a new adapter, but otherwise? Nàh, hardly an issue...

Only one more month until the Zelda-only E3 (now that still boggles the mind) and then the month thereafter some NX news. Take an energy drink, a beer or an Alka-Seltzer, strap yourself in and hold on, because even though it is now more or less around the corner, it is still going to be a bumpy ride...

@TheRedCap30 me too. It's a long wait though.

@Dankykong We only need to look at trends to figure out what will likely happen. Been the same way since the N64 / Gamecube 1-2 years of support for the projects that were in the works for the outgoing system that needed to be finished up, with some of those going to the newer console. Only problem with this scenario is that there is next to no outside support for the Wii U.

Nintendo, being as traditional as they are, have been using this model for phasing out/in older and newer systems for quite a while now.

The only exception being with the handhelds which usually last a bit longer than consoles. That being said, a similar practice happened with the gameboy line and the incoming DS that some still complain about to this day. Which is probably why some people are so wary of picking up a 3DS for fear of something similar.

@ThanosReXXX Nintnod may have a plan, and they may have money, but if nobody buys an NX home console, after relatively few people bought the Wii U, why make another home console? At some point they have to say to themselves, hmm, this isn't working, maybe we should just focus on mobile and handhelds. At which point, fair or not, people will compare them to Sega, another videogame company that got out of the home console business.

As for the leaks, some of those insiders may be knowledgeable and truthful, but sorting thru the fakes and liars is simply becoming too time consuming. Discussing whether or not it will be a home or handheld, have BC or not, be cheap or expensive, I find interesting; discussing whether it's ARM or Zen or Polaris I do not, b/c I don't think that ultimately matters.

@rjejr Once again I can't argue with that logic. If that is the case their best bet is to focus on the handheld market as its clearly one they have been dominant in since the gameboy era.

I'm not sure if they would get compared to Sega, as much because it seems that Nintendo has a much clearer sense of where its heading given any scenario which I couldn't say the same for Sega back in 2001

@Nin10doh "Nintendo has a much clearer sense of where its heading"

Does this list really seem like a company with a clear sense of direction to you? To me it looks like grasping at straws.

Development, manufacturing and sale of medical devices and health devices
Development, manufacturing and sale of computer software
Management of and investment in eating establishments, stores and entertainment sites
Licensing of intellectual property rights

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/05/nintendo_plans_corporate_changes_that_point_to_diverse_business_moves

@rjejr LOL best thing about your reply is that I just finished reading that same article, and when I picked my head up from my desk, I see that nice blue "1" next to my avatar

Edit: But to be fair many companies do the exact same thing. Trying to have as many irons in the fire, but not all in one sector. I do tend to give a bit of leeway to 126 year old companies.

Sega on the other hand stuck around in a market they clearly shouldn't have been so heavily vested in, while Nintendo is showing willingness to diversify to some extent.

@rjejr I could see why you'd think that, but it actually is both interesting to know and important to know, because if you find out what it is going to be, you'll know what it can do, and that directly (no pun intended) relates to what you want it to do.

Some chipsets will at least have an option for backward compatibility, while others will all but guarantee that there won't be any of that.
Meanwhile Nintendo is diversifying, as shown in the new front page article about the change in their corporate plans.

At this very moment I'm in a forum chat with one of the site moderators of the largest independent Nintendo site of the Benelux, and he is chatting with miss Rogers now, and he got some answers from her that indeed seem to point to the fact that at the very least the mobile portion of the NX is going to be equipped with a modified Tegra K1 or X1 chip, and for a handheld that is VERY good, because that is well above the PS Vita and really close to the Xbox One.

Now here's hoping that Tegra is NOT going into the home console part, because that would once again make them the odd one out, and in that scenario I personally don't see "easy to port third party software", unless one of our resident programmers/developers like @Yorumi or @Kirk care to put in their two cents and perhaps give me some peace of mind...

@ThanosReXXX Sadly, I can't even give myself peace of mind. lol

@Kirk Any thoughts on the possible hardware and the pros and cons of it?

@ThanosReXXX To be honest, I've lost track of all the possible things that may or may not be going into the NX at this point, and I'm not that versed on what all of the chips are capable of anyway.

I'd certainly like to see Nintendo maintain backwards compatibility whatever chipset they use, however they manage it, and I actually think it would be a major mistep if they don't. At this point, without great third party support (and I have no reason to believe NX is going to see great third party support yet) I think Nintendo needs to leverage its old IPs more than ever. And, I think this time around if it doesn't do BC properly (I mean REALLY properly), and basically figure out a way to let us play pretty much all of the games from all of its past consoles on this one system (including even the likes of Virtual Boy) it will be a huge fail on Nintendo's part. Nintendo has this feather in its cap that basically no one else does, something that can keep gamers busy until the big new titles arrive*, and it really has to take advantage of that and finally realise this whole virtual console thing to its full potential, like it's been promising since before the Wii.

Also, I think if NX is going for some kind of handheld component then anything at the power of around Wii U (give or take in either direction) would be brilliant. For a home console, however, it needs to be more powerful than both the Xbox One and PS4 and probably even more powerful than the rumoured Xbox One 2 and PS4.5 too, or else it's just creating issues again—unless the NX' gimmick really is something so cool/special/unique that it genuinely makes the whole power argument at little bit meaningless. But, even with a great gimmick, I still think it's stupid to forgo power if Nintendo really wants to stay competitive in this industry.

I just don't know.

*Note: It also has to SERIOUSLY figure out a way to let people who've already bought these VC titles multiple times already (on Wii, Wii U, and even 3DS) to get them on NX for basically free (and that's true even if they've only bought them once before too), or else that too will be another major fail on Nintendo's part imo. And, this time around they can't be compromised versions of those classic titles (no fugly, muted and dark colours on the NES game for example); they have to be pretty much the best quality versions of those games you can get anywhere, be it officially or unofficially (within reason and in terms of what they do to make them the best quality versions without basically making entirely new games).

@Kirk More specifically, I would like to know what you think of the possibility of Tegra K1/X1 in both handheld and home console versions of the NX devices, as I described in comment #289. All ties in to the Emily Rogers rumor, to which I am now somewhat connected because of me chatting with the moderator of another Nintendo site who is in contact with her since today.

@ThanosReXXX I really have no clue on that whatsoever to be honest.

But, I don't even think the NX is going to be some kind of dual home console/handheld system anyway, so all the speculating about the chipset might ultimately be a bit meaningless. I think it's just going to be a pretty typical home console, with possibly a Wii U type controller again, but with some kind of software/service gimmick that tries to differentiate it from everyone else.

I actually think they "unique" thing about NX is likely to little more than the specific type of approach Nintendo is taking to how it delivers the games and services on its system than anything else—but maybe that's just symptomatic of how little I think Nintendo is really trying to compete anymore.

@Kirk So you have no experience with Nvidia hardware or mobile platforms with Tegra in it?

@ThanosReXXX Nope.

But, again, I think we're maybe wasting breath speculating on stuff that simply isn't going to even really matter when we see what the final NX is. No one's going to care about chipsets unless people actually care about the system in the first place (and I'm talking about developers and publishers here). So, getting a system that genuinely excites consumers, developers, and publishers is far more important to me than what chipset it uses, BUT I do think it needs to be something that competitive in terms of raw power and graphical capabilities (and not with current-gen hardware; I'm talking about with next-gen hardware, which also changes depending on whether it's portable or not).

And, to be clear, I have aboslutely no idea whatsoever what it is going to be at this point in time—and I've utterly given up trying to speculate or even caring about speculating, because it's all just so up in the air. lol

@Kirk Well, in my discussion on the other site, I more or less came to the same conclusion as you previously did: that the only scenario where the whole power issue wouldn't matter would have to be one where Nintendo's idea is indeed truly that unique, quirky and/or wonderful, and so it wouldn't be applicable.

Would still once again make them the odd one out, but they have probably always been like that, we just didn't notice in the beginning because the earlier consoles were all relatively traditional...

@ThanosReXXX They weren't really like that in the NES or SNES eras. It seems like it mostly started with the N64 (for example, not going with CDs likes everyone was at that time), and it's becoming more and more of a thing with each new console imo. I wish they'd simply go back to making machines like everyone else but just the best in category. And, if they have to have gimmicks, which I'm not actually against, then those gimmicks need to be in addition to nailing basically everything else and not at the expense of it. Unless, like VR for example, they really are so paradigm shifting and revolutionary that you can totally accept certain sacrifices for such huge leaps forward overall in your interactive entertainment experiences. But, I REALLY don't think NX is going to be that kind of leap at all to be honest. That's my take on it anyway.

@Nin10doh Yeah, it probably isn't as bad as it looks, but the timing was just too good to pass up.

@ThanosReXXX Well I'm glad you have Kirk to play w/, but be nice to Yourimi, I'm pretty sure he's on the verge of a nervous breakdown judging by the other thread.

OK - big question which I've been meaning to address but keep forgetting too - how can the handheld have 1 chipset (CPU/GPU) and the home another yet they play the same games? Don't they need to have the same internal parts, just at different power levels?

And I agree w/ you, knowing the internal parts would answer some questions about 3rd party and BC, but all of these competition leaks are giving me a headache. Once we get the real actual innards from Nitneod, then we can talk, but having to sift through all of the rumours just to try to decide which is true and which is false in order to have that discussion, well that's just too much work.

@rjejr What thread is that? And I was being nice, I genuinely want to read @Yorumi's opinion or professional assessment on this, assuming he's had some experience with Tegra/ARM architecture, since I wrongly assumed that from @Kirk too.

As far as I have understood from various threads like NeoGAF and such, it is much easier to port up from ARM (on which Tegra is also based) to another architecture, but NOT the other way around.

What that says to me is that a Tegra handheld is FAR more likely than a Tegra home console, especially if they want to share software with the home console part, and be able to upscale games with that. Unless Nintendo wants to give us a new type of Ouya, which they really shouldn't want to do...

But seriously: if all the hardware is compatible with the most commonly used engines (Unreal Engine 4, CryEngine 3, Frostbite, Unity and so on) then there will probably be some piece of middleware to make it possible to port from one architecture to another, but I have no idea how easy or hard that is, which is why I previously invited the two gentlemen that have more knowledge on these kind of things to weigh in on that.

As for the 'innards': Nintendo themselves never give the specs of their consoles away, so even if the system is released, it will probably once again be up to sites like Ars Technica or Digital Foundry to dissect the system and tell us the what's what.

And concerning the rumors: don't trouble yourself with sifting, that is probably what is making all of it barely palatable for you.

I just watch or listen and compare the newer ones with what has already been leaked to look for clues as to what returns every time, and then apply the "where there is smoke" label. Could still be wrong of course, but for now that is my way of dealing with each and every new leak or rumor, and that works for me, and it's pretty stress free as well.

My only stress originates from Nintendo themselves not talking, so that's a topic that I don't want to focus too much on.

@ThanosReXXX " but NOT the other way around"

That's the part that I want answered. Nintneod really doesn't need to tell us exactly what's inside, if they announce NX Home and NX Handheld, and tell us all portable games will be playable on TV, but not all home games like Zelda NX will be playable on the handheld, well then w can deduce that Home is x86 or something and the handheld is ARM. Also, the level of 3rd party support. Not that I think there will be any - NX could be a cross between an Ouya and a retro VC machine - but if NX Home gets FFXV or DBZXV2 next march, then we can probably safely assume it's a clone. While that would still be guesses on our part, Ntineod telling us what games the systems are getting at least gives us a foundation to work on. Right now our foundation is March 2017 and Zelda NX, everything else is rumours.

And of course I'm assuming 2 systems, $250 for Home, $200 for handheld, that both play the same games, but some may need to be Home only, like XC is New 3DS only. But it could be a $400 Wii U w/ a portable Gamepad. Or it could be a $200 tablet w/ no buttons. Though the tablet could be a third pillar alongside NX Home and Portbale, NX Tablet. It could be a branded tablet like Barns and Noble uses the Samsung Galaxy Tab. I think they need a tablet though, w/ a bluetooth controller. Like the Nvida Shield, but sold separately, but made to fit together. Ever notice all those connectors on the bottom of the Wii U Gamepad that never get used?

So what about that, NX is sold as a home console w/ a normal controller, but the normal controller has a slot on top for the NX Handheld 6" tablet? That way people w/ the NX Home won't even need to buy a separate controller for the NX Tablet. And the tablet could be used as a tablet, as a 3DS sucessor, and as a 2nd screen for the NX Home. Basically 3 uses in 1, making NX an interconnected "platform". The separate controllers would be sold as extra controller fo rHome or controllers for NX Tablet. They woudln't even need a new 3DS. NX Controller could even have a small scren built in, like bottom 2/3DS.

See, I don't need crazy rumours, I have a million of them in my head. Nintndo would need its own show to explain how all of that works togther, the controller is even confusing me b/c I dont' think it works on it's own even w/ the screen built in. Which REALLY makes it look way too much like a Wii U. But normal controller size, much smaller and lighter than Gamepad. They need a tablet w/ all of their mobile games. Amazon has it's own, why not Ntinedo? Of course if it's a propriatary OS, it's not really a tablet, it's a 3DS w/o physical controls. Unless you put it on a controller. hmm, getting complicated.

Man. I don't know If I have a mind of saint of whatever, but the NX has to be something that can be interesting enough to buy. I really don't know until they reveal.